Anyone planning to drop GT5?

[Tenacious D]

As I recall, Kazunori begged forgiveness and patience over some issues in GT5.

As for Dan... well, his mouth is very boastful...

 

[omgitsbees]

As for Dan... well, his mouth is very boastful...

He has nothing to ask for forgiveness over, Turn-10 finished Forza 3 on time, and to great reviews and success. The game was feature complete and had very little issues and problems. Seriously, what is going to say? "Guys, i'm sorry I released our game on time, finished and I apologize for the great reviews its been getting, glad you all are enjoying it!"

Kazunori on the other hand, intentionally released an incomplete game, and asked people to accept that they would have to finish it up later. We all bought into a beta test.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Yea, I looked through a bit more than half of FM4's car list, and I really prefer GT5's. I'm envious that FM4 has many, many cars that I want in GT5, but there just isn't a good selection of everyday, cheap vehicles. There have been quite a few new cars in FM4 that are in GT5 and it seriously seems like Forza copied. Quite a few, but I'm not even starting anything about that.

Can we quit the bias for one game or the other seriously, cause alot of you are sounding quite ignorant trying to push your agenda for whatever game it may be. If you want to go by FM4 is copying GT5, then I guess the whole GT serious is copying FM, NFS, PG and others by adding Ferrari, Maseratti, Lambo and so on. I mean you can't have a double standard for one game because you like it and cant see past it. Facts are the only thing that ring true. GT nor FM is copying anyone and is only trying to bring cars to the fans that they love. Not so sure about all the Japanese cars on the GT end, but alot of them most people seem to love.

Also FM4 has Morgan, Gumpert, Old aussie cars, more Spyker, more Lambo, More Ferrari, more Le Mans seriers cars old and new and others that this GT games doesn't have. So I doubt you've followed the cars list thread for FM4 on here cause if you did you wouldn't make a statement like that. Also let's be clear and respect PD they'll probably deliever some nice goodies for Spec II for those that don't think GT5 will come through, it has made me think a little different about moving on from GT to the new FPS games coming out.

EDIT:
The statement I quoted also heavily contradicts itself, they say they've only seen half the cars yet many of them are cars they'd like to see in GT5, but aren't family cars like GT is known to have. However, they go in to a reversal and say that there is quite a few new cars that are in FM4 but also in GT5...yet the conclusion is that FM copied? How can you see many cars that are not in GT but in FM and only a few that are in both...but FM copied... Please as a fellow GT fan (me) don't make the rest of us look asinine, try to argue with conviction next time and not hypocrisy

 

[shurnster]

@LMSCorvetteGT2

Well said 👍

At least PD are still working on GT5.

 

[vandaliser]

tonrado,

you would never see kaz boasting about how much he has done or what he has accomplished or bad mouth anyone even a series as pitiful as flopza.

 

[Tornado]

tonrado,

you would never see kaz boasting about how much he has done or what he has accomplished or bad mouth anyone even a series as pitiful as flopza.

Unsurprisingly, you have no idea what you are talking about.

I know that there probably isn't, because it seems like you are incapable of making your posts readable, but is there any kind of filter between your keyboard and your brain?

 

[Ya Pops]

• I can't use my existing Logitech wheels, I have to buy a pricey Fanatec - which doesn't even come with pedals or a shifter at the asking price! I'm stuck with MS's plastic toy wheel.

• 
  
  That's hardly T10's fault is it?
  
  Other than that, I agree with most of the other stuff you said.

 

[Bones Brigade]

Current costs:

Xbox 360 + Fanatec 911 + Forza 4 > $500

GT5 + Logitech G25 + PS3 ≈ $0

So...I will probably not "drop" GT5.

That being said, I wish I could. The car list in F4 (well, in any Forza game) is much better, in my opinion. To me, that is the crux of the discussion, as livery editors, cool crash damage and the like aren't huge on my priority lists, and physics are pretty close for both.

 

[omgitsbees]

tonrado,

you would never see kaz boasting about how much he has done or what he has accomplished or bad mouth anyone even a series as pitiful as flopza.

All throughout 2010, leading up to GT5s release, Kaz boasted about how Gran Turismo is the ultimate driving simulation. Go read any interviews with Kaz, he is very confident that his sim is the ultimate driving simulator.

And Flopza? Really? How old are you?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Current costs:

Xbox 360 + Fanatec 911 + Forza 4 > $500

GT5 + Logitech G25 + PS3 < $1

So...I will probably not "drop" GT5.
That being said, I wish I could. The car list in F4 (well, in any Forza game) is much better, in my opinion. To me, that is the crux of the discussion, as livery editors, cool crash damage and the like aren't huge on my priority lists, and physics are pretty close for both.

you make a good point for the part I bolded...that was just funny to me but sensible. I'm just glad my buddy could fix my 360 a year ago or it'd be in a dump somewhere right now and GT5 would be my only racing fix. One day I'll get my degree and get a good job so I can race all of them iRacing included.

 

[omgitsbees]

you make a good point for the part I bolded...that was just funny to me but sensible. I'm just glad my buddy could fix my 360 a year ago or it'd be in a dump somewhere right now and GT5 would be my only racing fix. One day I'll get my degree and get a good job so I can race all of them iRacing included.

You live in the same state as me. If you can find where the jobs are at, let me know, i've been looking for them forever. I think we might have to move out of this horrible place though. I'm thinking of moving to the pacific northwest.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

You live in the same state as me. If you can find where the jobs are at, let me know, i've been looking for them forever. I think we might have to move out of this horrible place though. I'm thinking of moving to the pacific northwest.

Well sir I agree with you me and my wife once she is done with her degree as well plan to move out of this waste land. I'm getting an engineering degree in Aerospace, but the only true place I can see working here in this state would be Raytheon. This state sucks and I can't find good work myself, I feel bad for you too, good people out of work obviously now days. Good luck to you and I probably will move that way myself since Boeing is out there or Nevada, Utah, Colorado since they do alot of aerospace stuff. Hopefully when that happens I can finally set up a couple dream rigs

 

[omgitsbees]

Well sir I agree with you me and my wife once she is done with her degree as well plan to move out of this waste land. I'm getting an engineering degree in Aerospace, but the only true place I can see working here in this state would be Raytheon. This state sucks and I can't find good work myself, I feel bad for you too, good people out of work obviously now days. Good luck to you and I probably will move that way myself since Boeing is out there or Nevada, Utah, Colorado since they do alot of aerospace stuff. Hopefully when that happens I can finally set up a couple dream rigs

Whoa, hey, we need to pool resources or something. I'm a mechanical drafter myself, with some aerospace experience at a company I did contract work for in WA State. Aerospace is what I want to stay with, very rewarding work. My dad does Electrical engineering for Boeing but hasn't been able to find me any work. They are downsizing right now.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Whoa, hey, we need to pool resources or something. I'm a mechanical drafter myself, with some aerospace experience at a company I did contract work for in WA State. Aerospace is what I want to stay with, very rewarding work. My dad does Electrical engineering for Boeing but hasn't been able to find me any work. They are downsizing right now.

Quite sad really especially since only a year or two ago the BLS said that Aerospace was suppose to grow for the next 10 to 12 years so much for gov't statistics. Well either way good luck to you if you want to keep this coversation you can pm me so the mods dont have to warn us.

 

[Tornado]

I can feel radioactive fumes of stupidity all the way from here

The joke to be made here is far, far too obvious.

 

[Ya Pops]

nm

 

[Bones Brigade]

Haha, the Turn 10 crew is very over the top (and often very wrong) with their self promotion, but they are delivering a very good product.

Can that part of the discussion be over?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Haha, the Turn 10 crew is very over the top (and often very wrong) with their self promotion, but they are delivering a very good product.

Can that part of the discussion be over?

Trust me both sides will find a way to keep it going. This debate is as historic to them as Star Wars vs Star Trek

 

[another_jakhole]

You brought up being biased soooooo......dotdotdotdot

EDIT:
The statement I quoted also heavily contradicts itself, they say they've only seen half the cars yet many of them are cars they'd like to see in GT5, but aren't family cars like GT is known to have. However, they go in to a reversal and say that there is quite a few new cars that are in FM4 but also in GT5...yet the conclusion is that FM copied? How can you see many cars that are not in GT but in FM and only a few that are in both...but FM copied... Please as a fellow GT fan (me) don't make the rest of us look asinine, try to argue with conviction next time and not hypocrisy

I am not being biased. All those super fast cars in FM4 are great, and I'm envious (should I say jealous?) of a lot of the cars the Forza series has, but I prefer GT5 car list way more.

I looked at half the full car list after already seeing the ones that Turn 10 has been intensely releasing every week. The ones I saw in the past were the ones that I think seemed like they were copied. No point in arguing, it's just an observation that I wanted to share.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I am not being biased. All those super fast cars in FM4 are great, and I'm envious (should I say jealous?) of a lot of the cars the Forza series has, but I prefer GT5 car list way more.

I looked at half the full car list after already seeing the ones that Turn 10 has been intensely releasing every week. The ones I saw in the past were the ones that I think seemed like they were copied. No point in arguing, it's just an observation that I wanted to share.

I understand that I'm saying the way you worded it the first time made it seem like you contradicted yourself and thus didn't really know what your were talking about. To me it looked like you were arguing GT5 for the sake of arguing GT5 without facts to boot. Now that you've shown me otherwise I can clearly see what you mean. Yet I think if you look at the what I posted to you and what the FM4 car list thread on here shows the facts will show that GT5 and FM4 have quite different car list with a subtle similarity here and there.

 

[omgitsbees]

Trust me both sides will find a way to keep it going. This debate is as historic to them as Star Wars vs Star Trek

Luke Skywalker was the best captain of the U.S.S. Enterprise, ever.

 

[CSLACR]

Well.... let's see. I'll give you a multiple choice questionnaire and see what you pick.

Which racing games feature these core gameplay factors?

[*]A massive collection of literally hundreds of cars from low horsepower compact cars through high performance sports cars to full blown race cars.

[*]A number of real world as well as fantasy courses to race on.

[*]A "sandbox" system of ladder progression where different racing series are opened up when certain races are won, but in an open structure which gives you an ever wider selection though with certain restrictions.

[*]A credit economy, given in race prizes, enabling you to buy and collect ever more desirable and higher performing cars, as well as sell them.

[*]Prize cars granted upon winning races, as well as when reaching certain milestones in the game.

[*]A system of upgrades based roughly on real world offerings from various manufacturers for sale, from tires to engine enhancements to body mods, as well as race modification of stock sports cars with liveries.

[*]A photo taking mode, offering various scenic locations to pose your car.

[*]A system of bot drivers you can create or hire to drive races for you.

1. Toca
2. Grid
3. Dirt
4. Forza
5. Gran Turismo
6. Rrriiiidge Raaaacerr!!
7. Project Gotham Racing
8. NFS Shift
9. Ferrari Challenge
10. Enthusia
11. Formula 1 2K
12. GTR
13. Race Pro
14. Netkar Pro
15. Live For Speed
16. rFactor
17. iRacing

Care to take the test?

You can't be serious.
Every single one of those has one or more of your list.

And your undeserved sense of smug satisfaction tells me you haven't even considered that you should be talking about what the games had the day FM 1 came out.
To say FM is a copy for taking good things from another game and adding them to their own is the same as calling everything a copy.

Is Gran Turismo the first game to ever do each of the following?

Which racing games feature these core gameplay factors?

[*]A massive collection of literally hundreds of cars from low horsepower compact cars through high performance sports cars to full blown race cars.

[*]A number of real world as well as fantasy courses to race on.

[*]A "sandbox" system of ladder progression where different racing series are opened up when certain races are won, but in an open structure which gives you an ever wider selection though with certain restrictions.

[*]A credit economy, given in race prizes, enabling you to buy and collect ever more desirable and higher performing cars, as well as sell them.

[*]Prize cars granted upon winning races, as well as when reaching certain milestones in the game.

[*]See below.

[*]A photo taking mode, offering various scenic locations to pose your car.

[*]A system of bot drivers you can create or hire to drive races for you.

I put one in bold it doesn't have, and ignored one that is stupid in principal.
Yes, to have a racing game race for you is stupid in principal. To play any game automated defies the purpose of "playing a game" and is unarguably stupid in principal.

A system of upgrades based roughly on real world offerings from various manufacturers for sale, from tires to engine enhancements to body mods, as well as race modification of stock sports cars with liveries.

GT doesn't have that.
It was for it's time 10 years ago, yes.
Now any NFS, FM, FC, F1, or any other game even close to a "sim" has more tuning options, real world details instead of fake or unknown numbers, let alone unspecified numbers. What is LSD 42? What the hell does that mean? How about ride height 0? I know +1 is 1mm higher than 0, but what the hell is 0? How do I bore and stroke an LS1? I guess engine swaps aren't possible either.


BTW - NFS made a sim before GT existed.
Maybe GT copied NFS's original idea all this time? Perhaps it is not always the "first" that is automatically best after all. (I'm not saying NFS was the first, just 3 years before GT )

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Luke Skywalker was the best captain of the U.S.S. Enterprise, ever.

Remember how Cpt. Kirk saved the Republic!

 

[DEATHSARTHE]

NFS is a game about street racing and cop chases. Yes, PD copied them because GT is about street racing and cop chases.

?????

 

[Tornado]

NFS is a game about street racing and cop chases. Yes, PD copied them because GT is about street racing and cop chases.

?????

You should probably read more than a single line of the posts you object to before you reply.

 

[omgitsbees]

NFS is a game about street racing and cop chases. Yes, PD copied them because GT is about street racing and cop chases.

?????

Most of the Need for Speed games have not had cop chases.

 

[Suzumiya]

So this is the bottom of the GT Fans fishtank?

(Hides under table to avoid getting flamed... D: )

 

[Dmarc_Atl]

NFS is a game about street racing and cop chases. Yes, PD copied them because GT is about street racing and cop chases.

?????

LOL
I doubt that was what he was meaning

 

[GTShadowKing]

The most useful stuff on this thread:

 

[Bigbazz]

NFS have yet to release a simulation based racing game. The closest thing to sim in the NFS series would probably be Shift, but those are neither old titles nor true sim games, more along the lines of semi sim like many of the codemasters titles from the Toca series and Grid.