Anyone planning to drop GT5?

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Anyone planning on dropping GT5?

  • Yes

    Votes: 105 12.2%

  • No

    Votes: 672 78.1%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 83 9.7%
  • Total voters
    860
Hotspitta
You may reconsider being too see this for 530 fully customizable cars. Spec 2.0 better bring the big guns..

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There are 25 or 26 cars in vista mode aka bullshots.

Also some actual facts about Forza4:

Forza Motorsport 4 will feature 500 premium cars on Disc 1 and 2. It’s roughly 300 cars on Disc 1 and 200 cars on Disc 2. There are approximately 320 cars carried over and updated from Forza 3 as well as approximately 90 cars carried over and updated from Forza 3 DLC. The remaining 90 are so cars are new to Forza 4. Starting at launch, we are currently planning to add ten cars per month via DLC Add-On packs—this will include the Day 1 American Muscle Car DLC pack (free via a code to LCE buyers) as well as new packs starting in November.

There are no tracks on Disc 2. There will be two environments available for DLC on Day 1. Every new copy of FM4 will include a code to download these environments for free: Top Gear Soccer field and Benchmark Test track.

We chose not to update a small number of our tracks and ribbons to use our new engine. As a result, there have been two cut from Forza—New York and Sidewinder were not updated to work in the new engine. The long version of Amalfi Coast was also removed, though the short version remains with some small gameplay modifications. In addition we have also removed the Bugatti version of Le Mans Circuit de la Sarthe, though players will still be able to race both the full circuit and the Old Mulsanne circuit. In addition to tracks like the brand new fictional Alps track which we showed at E3, we have also added Hockenheim as well as new tracks yet to be announced.
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Basically what that means is:

Forza4 has 90 newly done cars only

It is also suppose to have 5 new tracks only.

NY, long version of Amalfi Coast, Sidewinder are removed and obviously no porsche.

Here are the actual in game footage in comparision to last game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgtOaShqfXc&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bG3i4-UBjg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YcKUJHBJkE&NR=1

GT5 Spec 2.0, DLC has nothing to do with Forza4. It is a add-on. They will probably release GT6P on PS3 which should be far superior to GT5 in every aspect.
 
One, you have no idea what a "bullshot" is.

Two, you're ranting about nothing. As usual.

Three, what does this have to do with anything?
 
Interesting.

I drop GT months ago and I have no plans in buying FM4, mostly because is exactly the same FM3 thing with upgrade models, no new modes, nothing new. They fix the physics but there is still the magic grip-add, the little potential simulation on that game is still gone.

I dropped GT for its stupid career; for a 1000 car list is pretty lame, and it doesn't offer too much entertainment. Then there is the stupid B-spec which is just a waste of resources on its development, the levelling out systems are a joke and much of the stuff I loved from GT4 is gone.

I don't known but there isn't any racing game that worth my attention, I'm currently playing Dirt3 which turned out to be way more fun, and the same can be said about Shift 2.

This thread have become yet another FMvsGT, which is funny because it gives some opportunity to ad Forza. But I still believe that both games doesn't worth that many time or money on them, GT is a severe broken game and FM is the same game. I would give FM4 a chance but I already know that is the same rubbish career, with the same race limitation and the same online crap that overshadow the excellence that FM2 was.

If you plaining on dropping on GT and have an Xbox just play FM2, FM4 is just the same FM3 crap renewed, and I don't known anything about Spec II, but I'm pretty sure PD will not extent or fix the already broken career mode.
 
MoGoSpeed
He provided some information, that provides some good perspective for me :)
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Only thing he did was re-iterate information that was posted some weeks ago, and then went on to essentially re-iterate it again. Calling Autovista "bullshots" when nothing in that mode is remotely comparable to the rest of the game, hence the reason it's a standalone feature.
 
Terronium-12
One, you have no idea what a "bullshot" is.

Two, you're ranting about nothing. As usual.

Three, what does this have to do with anything?
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Bullshot is something than cannot be used. What you see is not what you get to play with.

This is for example is real.



Also I posted facts about Forza4 from the official source about the cars, tracks and comparision to Forza3.

Deal with it :rolleyes:
 
kimi123
Bullshot is something than cannot be used. What you see is not what you get to play with.
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Autovista also has rolling information about the cars in that mode, yet you don't see a multitude of informational popups when you're racing, do you?

Also, that's not what a bullshot is at all. Wanna try again?

Also I posted facts about Forza4 from the official source about the cars, tracks and comparision to Forza3.

Deal with it :rolleyes:
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Which I said right above your post that you re-iterated. For reasons I don't understand.

As for the bit of your post I omitted, that would be because it's a baseless comparison.
 
kimi123
Bullshot is something than cannot be used. What you see is not what you get to play with.

This is for example is real.



Also I posted facts about Forza4 from the official source about the cars, tracks and comparision to Forza3.

Deal with it :rolleyes:
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GT5 prologue came out in 2008 and still looks good
 
kimi123
There are 25 or 26 cars in vista mode aka bullshots.

Also some actual facts about Forza4:
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Admittedly, GT5 does have more cars in its "Bullshot Mode" (Photo Travel): 230-ish.

Both games use higher-quality models for these modes. Slightly annoying, perhaps, but very fun for those of us who like to play photographer (and our Photomode sub-section is the most popular sub-section past the insanity of the Marketplace, and the repeatedly-asked questions of the Q&A board).

I look at Autovista as a nice added bonus - it sort of combines GT5's info tab on cars with Photo Travel, narrated by Clarkson. It's not for everybody, and it almost certainly falls into the "fluff" category, since it doesn't do anything for the actual racing... but it's an automotive-enthusiast addition, and as one, I'm not opposed to it. Just like I seriously enjoy GT's Photomode.

Basically what that means is:

Forza4 has 90 newly done cars only
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Well, 180 since FM3's release ;). T10 works differently from PD, so while yes, some of these cars were available in FM3, they were DLC, available after the original release. I wouldn't hold it against them for including them in FM4, just like I certainly wouldn't hold it against PD for giving us every Premium again in GT6 (as well as new ones, obviously, and any we may or may not get this month).

I mean, if we want, can we not conclude that GT5 really only gave us 150 new cars since Prologue...

GT5 Spec 2.0, DLC has nothing to do with Forza4. It is a add-on. They will probably release GT6P on PS3 which should be far superior to GT5 in every aspect.
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Strictly speaking, it's unlikely a Prologue will be better than a full version of the previous installment, though I guess qualifying what exactly "better" might mean would help. I question how much we need the idea of "Prologue" games anymore anyways...
 
SlipZtrEm
Strictly speaking, it's unlikely a Prologue will be better than a full version of the previous installment, though I guess qualifying what exactly "better" might mean would help. I question how much we need the idea of "Prologue" games anymore anyways...
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That part I disagree greatly with Kimi. Mainly, because not that we don't need a Prologue (which we don't), it's that I don't think PD or Sony are up to it. They both know there can't be another time where people wait 5-6 more years for the sequel.

SlipZtrEm
I mean, if we want, can we not conclude that GT5 really only gave us 150 new cars since Prologue...
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One premium every 6 months with over half the 150-man team (I wish I could source it, but I can't for the life of me find out where I saw that) working on it creating 150 cars in 2.5 years. That's pretty good.

Not directing this towards you -
People seem to believe it's precisely 1 premium every 6 months, but obviously, progress is made all the time with more than just ONE car.
 
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Tenacious D
Dude, you're arguing now for the sake of it, ignoring every point I make for the sake of I'm-rightness, so just have fun being the demigod of truth in your own basement or something.
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Interesting how even the "most civil" of common GT defenders eventually leads to personal remarks, way to "close the argument" like a true ( ) .

Even more interesting is that you would make a list of exactly what FM and GT share in common, and determine that's "proof" FM is a copy.
And I'm the "demigod of truth"? :lol: How much more can you do to try to make facts fit your agenda?

SlipZtrEm
Admittedly, GT5 does have more cars in its "Bullshot Mode" (Photo Travel): 230-ish.

Both games use higher-quality models for these modes. Slightly annoying, perhaps, but very fun for those of us who like to play photographer (and our Photomode sub-section is the most popular sub-section past the insanity of the Marketplace, and the repeatedly-asked questions of the Q&A board).

I look at Autovista as a nice added bonus - it sort of combines GT5's info tab on cars with Photo Travel, narrated by Clarkson. It's not for everybody, and it almost certainly falls into the "fluff" category, since it doesn't do anything for the actual racing... but it's an automotive-enthusiast addition, and as one, I'm not opposed to it. Just like I seriously enjoy GT's Photomode.



Well, 180 since FM3's release ;). T10 works differently from PD, so while yes, some of these cars were available in FM3, they were DLC, available after the original release. I wouldn't hold it against them for including them in FM4, just like I certainly wouldn't hold it against PD for giving us every Premium again in GT6 (as well as new ones, obviously, and any we may or may not get this month).

I mean, if we want, can we not conclude that GT5 really only gave us 150 new cars since Prologue...



Strictly speaking, it's unlikely a Prologue will be better than a full version of the previous installment, though I guess qualifying what exactly "better" might mean would help. I question how much we need the idea of "Prologue" games anymore anyways...
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Honestly I have to say 150 is quite a stretch itself. Many of them are either very similar (Super GT, NASCAR) or are cars previously included in the game, but modeled to premiums.
I "think" GT5P ended over 70, and I "think" we have less then 220 premiums. (I don't have exact counts)

Of course anyone busting on FM "not improving cars ported from xx" will easily explain to me why we have brand new standard cars in GT5, yes?
If I recall, PD's time was taken up making GTPSP, according to many, so why did they make even more "standard" cars then they already had, full well knowing they would be ported to GT5?
 
No plans of dropping GT5 here. I don't play it nearly as much as some on here probably do either though. Looking forward to what PD has in store for us this month.👍 Hell, alot of the seasonals are new for me.:)
 
SlipZtrEm
Where's that source on the budget, again?
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Sorry, but the two links to stories about the Forza 4 budget are now dead. Well, one is dead, the other won't even show up now in Google. Follow this link to the "story."

Forza 4 might give GT5 a run for its money

CSLACR
Interesting how even the "most civil" of common GT defenders eventually leads to personal remarks, way to "close the argument" like a true ( ) .

Even more interesting is that you would make a list of exactly what FM and GT share in common, and determine that's "proof" FM is a copy.
And I'm the "demigod of truth"? :lol: How much more can you do to try to make facts fit your agenda?
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Oh, I'm sorry, I got schooled on how both Forza and GT are 99% common with every racer from Outrun to iRacing. Sorry I troubled you, your responses were so detailed and full of pertinent information I was blind to...
 
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Tenacious D
Sorry, but the two links to stories about the Forza 4 budget are now dead. Well, one is dead, the other won't even show up now in Google. Follow this link to the "story."

Forza 4 might give GT5 a run for its money


Oh, I'm sorry, I got schooled on how both Forza and GT are 99% common with every racer from Outrun to iRacing. Sorry I troubled you, your responses were so detailed and full of pertinent information I was blind to...
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So it comes down to personal insult when you run out of steam, and finally, sarcasm.
That's a worthwhile post right there, go make another list of things that match games you want matched more closely, I'll be on stand-by for 96 hours. ;)

You should try to remember that I never said they weren't similar, but you called it a copy, well, it's not 75% Japanese cars in a crippled single player game, so no, it can't be a copy.
Of course they used some of GT's ideas, why wouldn't they? GT5 added a "paint shop", NFS has had those for how long? Did PD copy NFS?

FM is the attempt at making a game similar in nature (see: same genre) but better in every way. That is Microsoft's goal, not to copy, but to take what exists, and make it better. A copy would be the same, but I assume you have access to dictionary.com already.:sly:
 
shurnster
GT5 prologue came out in 2008 and still looks good
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Good? Man it's looks fantastic. It's best 60fps graphics out here...

kimi123
There are 25 or 26 cars in vista mode aka bullshots.

Also some actual facts about Forza4:



Basically what that means is:

Forza4 has 90 newly done cars only

It is also suppose to have 5 new tracks only.

NY, long version of Amalfi Coast, Sidewinder are removed and obviously no porsche.

Here are the actual in game footage in comparision to last game:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgtOaShqfXc&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bG3i4-UBjg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YcKUJHBJkE&NR=1

GT5 Spec 2.0, DLC has nothing to do with Forza4. It is a add-on. They will probably release GT6P on PS3 which should be far superior to GT5 in every aspect.
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👍
 
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CSLACR
You should try to remember that I never said they weren't similar, but you called it a copy, well, it's not 75% Japanese cars in a crippled single player game, so no, it can't be a copy.
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Okay, so you can take a Harry Potter book, change the names to Swahili, make all food and magic references African, and it's not plagiarism, I take it? Well, it would only be 75% or so similar, right? At least that was Joe OBiden's argument...

Of course they used some of GT's ideas, why wouldn't they? GT5 added a "paint shop", NFS has had those for how long? Did PD copy NFS?
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I think you might be onto something, because paint shops just don't exist in real life.

FM is the attempt at making a game similar in nature (see: same genre) but better in every way. That is Microsoft's goal, not to copy, but to take what exists, and make it better. A copy would be the same, but I assume you have access to dictionary.com already.:sly:
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Whatever you say, professer. I'm sure that MS was working on those avatards a year before Ninty even started, and their ninjas broke into Redmond HQ one night and got the good stuff.

No, we actually have quite a history with MS grabbing ideas and driving the competition nuts with their blatant rip-offs like my Mii example, and I'm appalled that so many people will let this company literally get away with corporate murder. You can insist that MS Game Studios people were throwing darts at racing game ideas, and magically they all lined up with a game that just happened to look almost exactly like Gran Turismo all you want to, but you're going to find this a pretty hard sell. Maybe at an XBox forum it'll fly.

Terronium-12
You know that links to a comment, don't you?
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If you'll look more closely at the top, you'll see a Read full story>>> link...
 
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Tenacious D
If you'll look more closely at the top, you'll see a Read full story>>> link...
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Strange, Google's cached version of that site never mentions a budget either.

Actually, googling "Forza 4 budget 100 million" (or 120), the only links I see are you saying it... though maybe it's just far, far deeper in the results page, right?
 
After playing a certain demo today, I am changing my vote.

I shall be dropping GT5 on the 14th.

I may give it a quick go now and then. But I'm pretty much done with it now (DLC is too late for me).
 
Bushby_23
You've missed my point. It's the people like deathsarthe and omgitsbees I'm talking about, the ones that will point out every flaw in one game, while brushing all issues with their preferred game under the rug.

I play many racing games, just like many of us here, and having nothing against critisizing games, but its when they are religiously hooked on one title, that's where the issue starts.
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My post wasn't aimed at you :) Check the one directly above it.

You're preaching to the choir my friend, I've been on a campaign against those kind of posters for a while now ;)
 

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