And of course this only cuts one way. Oh wait...
And of course this only cuts one way. Oh wait...
I'm sorry if it offends some of you that we like GT5, dare I say, even love it, just like some people adore Forza. And Forza sure has its share of critical flaws, much worse than ugly cars, tracks and sounds. I dare say if a flaw in Spec II somewhere got you permabanned from the PSN, the board might have to shut down for a while. And I wouldn't be doing a thing to quell the crowds either.
The problem I have with so many arguments on these boards is that a lot of slack is offered to other games which if it came from a Gran Turismo fan to GT5, you'd be called a fanboy for it. Oh gee, it has.
People shout bias and favoritism towards any love shown to GT5, while ignoring their own biases, and this is why the place gets so rowdy and defensive. Proof positive that blindness in part is sure human nature...
And of course this only cuts one way. Oh wait...
I'm sorry if it offends some of you that we like GT5, dare I say, even love it, just like some people adore Forza. And Forza sure has its share of critical flaws, much worse than ugly cars, tracks and sounds. I dare say if a flaw in Spec II somewhere got you permabanned from the PSN, the board might have to shut down for a while. And I wouldn't be doing a thing to quell the crowds either.
The problem I have with so many arguments on these boards is that a lot of slack is offered to other games which if it came from a Gran Turismo fan to GT5, you'd be called a fanboy for it. Oh gee, it has.
People shout bias and favoritism towards any love shown to GT5, while ignoring their own biases, and this is why the place gets so rowdy and defensive. Proof positive that blindness in part is sure human nature...
h that's old news move on" But they will be the 1st person to bring up the standard car 
It's so much double standards it's sick.
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The problem I have with so many arguments on these boards is that a lot of slack is offered to other games which if it came from a Gran Turismo fan to GT5, you'd be called a fanboy for it. Oh gee, it has.
People shout bias and favoritism towards any love shown to GT5, while ignoring their own biases, and this is why the place gets so rowdy and defensive. Proof positive that blindness in part is sure human nature...
👍 I have seen on the FM sub forums a person come and say "oh only 25 autovista cars that suck" then get bashed and told
Erm... sort of. I mean, the previous three Forzas, I was attracted to them by the Livery Editor. But this Forza does sound different. Now, those things did indeed affect my gameplaying. In Forza 2, I wasted a lot of time fixing liveries, because random layers would shift around anytime you took the car out of the garage. And if the layers were fixed and you couldn't touch them, all you could do is watch your car turn into a mess, or just not race it, unless you could somehow gift the thing to the guy who made it, assuming they'd fix it for you.
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. Also you talk about reviews, not that I've seen you do it, but major GT fans have a double standard on this. Critics about FM4 say it's great just like they said Gt was, but they say that those critics only say it about FM4 because of their bias toward and American game. So both sides aren't giving slack to the other, and really at the end of the day both treat their game like a dogma which is quite sick. How about we just be happy that there are two racing games for the consoles to enjoy and all of the PC Sims out there as well.
There isn't really any source, it's just common knowledge... If a game has licensed vehicles, the producers of the game will need the appropriate licenses. These licenses tend to restrict damage and visual alterations, as shown in TDU2 by you being unable to tune and paint them; Ferrari in particular are very picky about the performance and appearance of their cars in-game.
Going onto damage, this is why licensed cars can't be blown up/damaged beyond repair in most games, GT5 included, which is why when you blast into a wall at 200mph in your brand new Lamborghini the wheels and body panels don't fly off. Car manufacturers just don't want their products (cars are basically products when you think about it) to be shown in a bad way. I've noticed that the Nissan GT-R has more 'destructive' damage than most other cars, probably due to PD and Nissan's close relationship, so this also plays a part in license issues; they have to keep damage consistent without making the companies unhappy. Not to mention that licenses can be expensive and can take long to acquire of course.
Kaz has mentioned a few times about license restrictions, but I can't be bothered to find things since I'm typing from my iPad.
I think if you sift through this thread and the one in the Forza section, you'll find a few. Heck, McLaren who is hardly the biggest GT fan around, has had to bark at a few people for declaring Gran Turismo deceased.
There have been a few reports of this happening often with certain people after a GT5 update, and from what I hear, redoing the update fixed them. However, it was rampant in Forza 2. Turn 10's solution, posted on the forums? Don't scroll through the garage.
You "have to entertain the idea of why"? It was explained on the Forza forums that it was a glitch in the Live software that was difficult to fix, and to be sure to contact XBox Customer Service in case of a ban. Of course, you likely weren't around to enjoy all the festivities back in the good ol days.
Maybe you're thinking of the bloke who posted that setting the front higher in Forza increased the downforce. But it's true, both games have odd incidents in some factor or other.
How often? I don't recall very many in Prologue related to having to fix a car's unfair aerodynamic properties. In fact, Google isn't finding anything through a couple pages on Prologue, except a notice that an update is going to result in time trial and drift leaderboards being reset. Yes, I recall game updates resulting in the whole ranking system being reset on occasion, which isn't quite the same thing...
That's not fair.
