Area 51 = New Gt5 Road Course

[63AvantiR3]

Get the old Hockenheimring. Snip out the stadium complex. Turn the three chicanes into simple right-handers, et voila - Nellis.
(odd we're talking about this in a thread about Nellis...).
By the way, you all DO know that every time someone mentions Nellis by its "popular codename", "they" kill a puppy, don't you?

Nellis AFB and Groom Lake/Area 51/Dreamland are different entities -> http://www.nellis.af.mil/home.htm Nellis is where fighter pilots train to become better fighters, bombers, etc. Civilians could go visit Nellis AFB if they so chose. Groom Lake/Area 51 however: A) The government would like people to believe it doesn't exist. B) Good luck getting in without getting yourself killed as, "Use of deadly force authorized" is plastered all over its outside borders. C) It is where the government tests the new technologies: the U-2/TR-1 and SR-71 as spy planes, B-2 & F-117 as stealth jets and countless other technologies.

Having said that though, Nellis AFB is close enough to "Dreamland" that the location gets referred to as the "Nellis area." The Nellis AFB pilots fly out to the Nevada desert to practice their bombing runs. Where their bombs land, is close to the basin that Groom Lake sat in. To avoid confusion, the track that we are toying with is inside of Dreamland, not within the physical boundaries of Nellis AFB; though I'm sure Nellis' runway system would be cool to zip around with a car also.

 

[63AvantiR3]

This is only a really basic rendition. I'd have chicanes everywhere on this track.

Hah! Hah! With the financial success that the S.J. Grand Prix brought, to whom do we send your rendition of the track layout? I could see the government's face as they see, not only a picture of a base that isn't supposed to be known about, but that it has track layouts drawn all over it.

I'm sure of all states, Nevada doesn't need any more revenue, but if the casinos and gentleman's clubs ever dried up, the world's longest runway could be put to use as a front stretch for a very cool racetrack

 

[Woolie Wool]

A different version of the track with 27 turns:

Could someone estimate the length of this track, please?

 

[Woolie Wool]

True, except GT4's Beginner Course is real.
Yes, this is real, but the racing isn't....or is it?

It would not be an easy course for beginners due to the long straights followed by sharp turns, especially in my second version with the hairpins.

 

[Crash]

For Woolie Wool's rendition of the track, would the extra length of the track made by corners 26 and 27 possibly make cutting the pit stop every time a faster route?

 

[prisonermonkeys]

Chicanes are for the weak.

Straightaways are meant to be fast, dammit.

I always found it odd that places like Hockenheim named their chicanes afterthe likes of Aryton Senna and Graham Hill. Surely it's a bit insulting to name corners that are designed to slow cars down after men who made it their life's mission to go fast?

 

[niky]

If you want a length estimate, take it that those two big planes down their are approximately 70meters long... you guys do the measuring, as it's just too much work for me.

 

[mwoodski]

What big airplanes, i dont see any *im being serious*

 

[amp88]

What big airplanes, i dont see any *im being serious*

About a third of the way down the pic, a fifth of the way in from the left hand side. There are two planes sitting there (not on the runway)

 

[mwoodski]

Ah ok, damn, they be small y0! All jokes aside, this track would be insane, ill post my rendition of it in a little bit.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v442/FireEmblem62/area51track.png

 

[madmax 2006]

How long's the track you ask?







A long ways

 

[Flerbizky]

Looks somewhat like the Airport track from NFS:U2 - With the chicanes at the straight missing - Not that I've ever played NFS:U2 mind you

 

[mwoodski]

A different version of the track with 27 turns:

Could someone estimate the length of this track, please?

Usually, the two 'corners' in achicane are labeled as *corner* and Corner* a so your 9-10 chicane would be 9 and 9a

 

[63AvantiR3]

For Woolie Wool's rendition of the track, would the extra length of the track made by corners 26 and 27 possibly make cutting the pit stop every time a faster route?

It's possible, and I can see why you bring this up. The distance in taking the pit road is shorter, however, there are two things that come in as factors here.

The first is speed. That is, the speed capable outside of pit lane. Two cars exit turn 24, one car enters pit lane, the other stays out on track. The car that stayed out on track continues on to turns 25, 26, and 27. The car entering pit lane slows to meet the pit speed limit *See below.* Upon exiting turn 27, the track now becomes nothing more than a drag strip. Supposing the car on track can take turn 27 at 30 MPH and can accelerate to 150 MPH in no time, it would not take long to overtake the car that entered the pits. The car exiting pit lane won't achieve the same top speed going into the first corner that the car which stayed out on track will.

So what about the car that entered the pits? Pit lane has a speed limit; this is another factor. What is the speed limit? Good question. The pit speed limit can be made specific to the track. Not all pit speed limits must be 50 MPH. In fact, if someone did some measuring of time and distance, they could determine that the two cars would end up tied at pit exit if the pit speed limit were set to 38 MPH and the car entering the pits had stopped for 10 seconds of pit work for example. To relate this to the car on track, how much ground can the "track car" gain in 10 seconds? How much ground can it gain on the "pitting car" while the pit car is limited to 38 MPH? These are factors and ones that would need to be addressed if this track were laid out in this configuration.

Hope this clears your question up. If there's anything you're still uncertain about, write again. We're all here to help better understand things.

 

[prisonermonkeys]

The problem is that airport tracks are, well, boring. They're all so flat and while it might be goof dor testing out your top speed, can you really imagine the "24 Heures du Area 51"?

 

[Super_Adam]

Good point M8
Although it would be pretty easy to do it would be DEAD boring

 

[63AvantiR3]

In the 27 turn configuration that Woolie Wool has the track laid out in, it looks pretty exciting to my eyes. Flat doesn't bother me so much; banking is like artificially adding speed into corners. That leaves course elevation changes as one of a few remaining missing items, but it's good to have variation in tracks. I'd like to see Burke-Lakefront Airport entered as a track for GT5 just because of what sanctioning bodies do race there. If it's a big enough name for Trans-Am, Speed World Challenge and CART, why not GT5?

I'm in California, about halfway between Sears Point (Infineon) to the north and Laguna Seca (Mazda Raceway) to my south. Both of those courses are very hilly. I believe it's been said that from the top of the corkscrew to turn 11 at Laguna Seca, it's like falling down a 15 story building? The corkscrew itself is about 8 of those floors. Sears drops 160+ feet, most of it down through the carousel (turn 6). Those of you who live around flat courses may not like flat courses so much. Me? I've got hilly courses around me, I'm ready for some variation. If I want flat, I have to go way south to the likes of Buttonwillow or Willowsprings.

Flat courses can be challenging in their own way because you've got to get the braking just right every time. Overrun a corner because you didn't brake correctly, and off the course you go. There are banked courses that have the same threat, but then again, there are banked courses where you are to brake while climbing a hill and the terrain actually helps you slow down in those cases. You could say that there's a bigger margin for braking error on those tracks.

 

[Netclash]

Unless u did a competition jumping in groom lake 'Post yout distance !'