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Well, to combat AWOL i would put it like this, if you did go AWOL, for whatever reason, you are out of the loop, and run the risk of not getting a seat. regardless of finishing position. If 2 people go AWOL, we drop a team, it would have to come down to that. Or, we chuck the AWOL seats up in the air for someone to chose and then carry on with my system around that seat.
 
Funny that I was the only one to one-stop at Monaco; and if I wasn't so risky with the wet setup, I would've probably scored pretty big too as a result!

As for Ash's system idea: I think it's pretty nifty, only issue might be the sheer 'randomness' of it all; for example, you won't be able to select your teammate, and also I'm not sure how much it will do to balance the field.

For example:
Champion is Driver A who miraculously won in the Junkmobile.
Last place overall is Driver B who had a terribly unlucky season in the Awesome Machine.

So when they switch cars, we'll have a dominant driver in a dominant car, and a (junk?) driver in a junk car. (the reverse can also apply) It makes sense logically, but perhaps not so much for a fair field.
 
i agree.
that system isn't perfect.

why don't we just stick with the lottery...
anything wrong with the lottery? if there is, maybe we can improve it?
 
I think what perhaps one of the issues with the lottery is that a large part of what seat you get depends on when you log on.

i.e. Bee holds lottery, people at Renault/insert fast team get kicked out, U.K. people logged on make mad dash for Renault/whatever while the rest of the world is asleep.

Perhaps it could be tweaked a bit, like so:
1) Lottery happens.
2) Drivers choose to stay at their current team (if not kicked out) or to try for another team.
3) Once open seats are decided, all applying drivers PM seat choices (perhaps multiple teams, in order from most wanted to least wanted) to Bee or whoever leads process.
4) Once all 'ballots' are in, seats are filled. Priority goes to highest/lowest ranked drivers in championship (i.e. WDC/22nd place gets first pick of seat (although it's technically blind, although drivers can converse if necessary), 2nd/21st place next pick, etc))

Thoughts?
 
The main problem I see with Ash's idea is that if you are in a midfield team, you're pretty much stuck there forever, because no matter how good you are, you can only perform as fast as your car will go. And people wouldn't want to win the championship, because they know that if they do they are stuck with the worst car next season.

How about we use the lottery and a form of season expectations, using both your cars performance and your own from the previous season to determine weather you should hold your seat or not.

Eg. Lets use the example of BMW winning last season, and the driver who came last overall (MattTheTuner i think?), he joins BMW next in the next season, so we have a 'career explectation ratio of 1st (BMW)and 22nd (Matt)... averaging at around 11th. So that driver must be in at least 11th place by the time of the lottery to hold his seat next season.

This would make it a very simple form on CONTRACT and should be made very public listing everyones 'season expectation' in one post.

That way everyone knows where everyone else stands, and can make a well judged application for a seat.

The way we chose who gets what seat (if multiple users chose a certian drive) would be by who has the highest percentage of achievment in his contract.

Eg. Still using Matt and BMW. If Matt is in 11th (at the decided point of the 'lottery' - preferably mid-season), he has just scraped through on 0 or 1%. If he is in 5th or 6th, he is around 50% more than his expected outcome, if he is in 1st then he has achieved 100% more than his expected outcome.

So the highest percentage will get the seat.

Does all that make sense?
 
CardcaptorYoshi
I think what perhaps one of the issues with the lottery is that a large part of what seat you get depends on when you log on.

i.e. Bee holds lottery, people at Renault/insert fast team get kicked out, U.K. people logged on make mad dash for Renault/whatever while the rest of the world is asleep.

Perhaps it could be tweaked a bit, like so:
1) Lottery happens.
2) Drivers choose to stay at their current team (if not kicked out) or to try for another team.
3) Once open seats are decided, all applying drivers PM seat choices (perhaps multiple teams, in order from most wanted to least wanted) to Bee or whoever leads process.
4) Once all 'ballots' are in, seats are filled. Priority goes to highest/lowest ranked drivers in championship (i.e. WDC/22nd place gets first pick of seat (although it's technically blind, although drivers can converse if necessary), 2nd/21st place next pick, etc))

Thoughts?
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Yeah I was thinking the same thing. The Lottery is the best system and is easy to understand. But like you say, you shouldn't get dudded an Aguri (Or is that Renault now?) because you're in a different country and the lottery is posted at 4am on a Tuesday morning.
 
appie17
But what if 3 or 4 drivers get 100% expected outcome, what will happen then?
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I will post an example of the outcomes if we were to use it this season up to the current results, and you will see how rare it would be to have people on the same percentage.

Btw, 100% expected outcome means that they are all in a tie for the lead... and how often do you see that?

The percentage is worked out by the difference between 1st (100%) and the Expected Outcome (eg. 22nd - 0%). So if the driver is 11th, it would be 50%, if he/she is 5th the percentage is around 75%.

Does that make better sense?

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The Drivers in RED fail to meet expectations. Drivers in GREEN acheive their expectations.

McLaren: 2nd
1. Brad Horton - Last Season: 1st - Season Expectation: 2nd - Current Percentage: 0%
2. Simon Trendell - Last Season: 19th - Season Expectation: 11th - Current Percentage: 73%

BMW Sauber: 1st
3. Jef Beyens - Last Season: 11th - Season Expectation: 6th - Current Percentage: -166%
4. Laura Rees - Last Season: 20th - Season Expectation: 11th - Current Percentage: -63%

Honda: 3rd
5. Ashley Butler - Last Season: 4th - Season Expectation: 4th - Current Percentage: -400%
6. Guillaume Dubois - Last Season: 5th - Season Expectation: 4th - Current Percentage: -175%

Red Bull: 4th
7. Bram Machiels - Last Season: NA (22nd) - Season Expectation: 13th - Current Percentage: 38%
8. Luke Skywalker - Last Season: NA (22nd) - Season Expectation: 13th - Current Percentage: 23%

Toro Rosso: 5th
9. Blake Haswell - Last Season: NA (22nd) - Season Expectation: 14th - Current Percentage: 7%
10. Luke Mason - Last Season: NA (22nd) - Season Expectation: 14th - Current Percentage: 14%

Ferrari: 6th
11. Ben Dunstan - Last Season: 9th - Season Expectation: 8th - Current Percentage: -137%
12. Duncan Hutchinson - Last Season: 10th - Season Expectation: 8th - Current Percentage: -87%

Super Aguri: 7th
14. Lee Davidson - Last Season: 7th - Season Expectation: 7th - Current Percentage: 29%
15. Abdeslam Charkaoui - Last Season: 16th - Season Expectation: 12th - Current Percentage: 100%

Spyker: 8th
16. David Smith - Last Season: 2nd - Season Expectation: 5th - Current Percentage: -20%
17. Yuuji Kawasie - Last Season: 21st - Season Expectation: 15th - Current Percentage: 40%

Renault: 9th
18. Suzzie Taylor - Last Season: 6th - Season Expectation: 8th - Current Percentage: -112%
19. Danny Graham - Last Season: 18th - Season Expectation: 14th - Current Percentage: -50%

Williams: 10th
20: Herman Chang - Last Season: 3rd - Season Expectation: 7th - Current Percentage: 43%
21: Jamez Shepherd - Last Season: 8th - Season Expectation: 9th - Current Percentage: 22%

Toyota: 11th
22: Nick Nikolakopoulos - Last Season: 17th - Season Expectation: 14th - Current Percentage: 0%
23: Mohammed Almomen - Last Season: NA (22nd) - Season Expectation: 17th - Current Percentage: -29%

Here's how it works:

The drivers who are GREEN get first choice of their seat, somebody can still choose to replace them next season, but it is up to the driver whether they wish to hand their seat over.

Drivers in RED have no choice but to give up their seat if somebody chooses to replace them. However, if their seat is chosen by somebody who isn't competing in the current season, they do not have to give up their seat. If you are RED (below the expectation level) and nobody chooses to replace you, you aren't forced to give up your seat (unlike lottery).

If more than one driver chooses a certain seat, the person with the highest percentage at the Mid-Season point will be given first preference. If 2 (or more) drivers with the same percentage apply for a seat, it comes down to average finishing position, if still equal it will be judged on average qualifying position, if still equal (although extremely unlikely) we could just use the lottery for those drivers.

Because of this, drivers will be given the option to apply for a MAX TOTAL of 3 seats, chosen in preference from 1 to 3. (Note that you must name the driver and team you wish to replace, not just the team). But chose wisely as you are only allowed to make one application form.

Perhaps we should put a time (race) limit on when all applications must be made? Lets say we chose Montreal as the Judgement Point, and chose China as the Due Date for applications? That way everyone has time (about a week) to make their choice/s, (rather than show up 'on-the-dot' - 3am in australia, usually - for lottery).

An example of an Application is shown below;

Jamez Shepherd - 22%

1. Ben Dunstan: Ferrari
2. Brad Horton: McLaren
3. Jef Beyens: BMW

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This system, at least, means that drivers can still plod along at their own pace if that's what they're happy with, or if they want to make their way to the top, they have to work for it. But staying at the top level isn't easy as the gap between percentages is near impossible, meaning that we could see a different Champ every season (keeping a good fair cycle going at the top of the field).

Eg. If Brad Horton is in 3rd (by the mid-season), he will be -100% meaning that his seat is well and truely up-for-grabs. However, if he manages to hold 2nd, he is at 0% and has met the expectations, giving him first preference of his seat.
 
I have no idea what that just was. Except why do I have to finish 2nd to retain my seat, while my teammate in the exact same car can finish 11th?
 
Because you had a far better season last time, and so must be better at it...
 
Casio
I have no idea what that just was. Except why do I have to finish 2nd to retain my seat, while my teammate in the exact same car can finish 11th?
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The idea is to reward consistancy. Simon had a rather sloppy season - finishing 19th overall, but the McLaren finished 2nd - so he isn't expected to be as good as you, but because he is given a better car, he is expected to do better than he did last season. You won the championship in the same car, so you are expected to be able to defend the title.

I know it seems unfair for the people at the top, but it's designed to make it challenging for good drivers to hold good seats. This system means that it's hard for a driver to dominate for more than 2 seasons in a row, making it a more evenly matched field, but also a well deserved and earned position. With this system no driver can complain about the seat they get, because they get a choice, and it's determined by them making an effort all season long.

It also rewards NON-AWOL's. Anybody who disrespects their fellow players by going AWOL will find it very hard to get a good race seat because their percentage will be very negative, or even non-existant.

WORK HARD + PLAY FAIR = POSITIVE FUTURE RACE SEAT

AWOL + FAIL TO WORK AS A TEAM = NEGATIVE CHANCE ON FUTURE
 
I dont recommend the BMW to anyone by the way.

Picking seats these days is getting very overcomplicated. lol
 
Sting
Picking seats these days is getting very overcomplicated. lol
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Just so you know, if you're anyone that doesn't live in the UK, picking (good)seats is near impossible. :indiff:

So don't go giving me that crap. You try getting up at 3am just to pick a car for the next month!

That's the reason why I developed this system, so that everyone is given a fair playing field and is rewarded for doing well. Rather than being "first(i live in the UK, woop-dee-doo)-in-best-dressed".
 
WR Table

1 David Smith
11th

2 Guillaume Dubois
32nd

3 Blake Haswell
388th

4 Abdeslam Charkaoui
657th

5 Luke Skywalker
676th

6 Duncan Hutchison
901st

7 Nick Nikolakopoulos
974th

8 Jef Beyens
990th

9 Yuuji Kawasie
1074th

10 Bram Machiels
1118th

11 Lee Davidson
1243rd

12 Simon Trendell
1326th

13 Herman Chang
1327th

14 Mohammed AlMomen
1330th

15 Ben Dunstan
1347th

16 Suzanne Taylor
1682nd

17 Ashley Butler
1772nd

18 Laura Rees
2026th
 
Casio
I have no idea what that just was. Except why do I have to finish 2nd to retain my seat, while my teammate in the exact same car can finish 11th?
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Ok, I thought of something. How about, if you win the championship, your seat is Non-Negotiable for the next season, whether you are coming 1st or 22nd, you will have ownership of that seat, no questions asked. A sort of reward for winning.

And just to make it 100% clear, you don't have to finish the championship in the Expected Outcome position, you just have to had matched or bettered it by the Judgement point, being Montreal. It's just a Roll-Over Consistancy rewarder. If you finished 2nd in the previous season, and you hold your seat, you are expected to be 2nd by Montreal, if you are in 2nd by Montreal you have first option on your seat, even if you finish 22nd overall at the end of the season.

Does that sound ok?

EDIT: I have just joined a midseason F107 at Malaysia, qual and races @ 7pm AEST. In the Super Aguri, incredibly fast, first race started in 18th, finished 5th - banked fastest lap (on hard tyres and 21 laps of fuel) - teammie hasn't shown up for over a day now... watch for this midseason drive in 2 days. You should join in time for Barcelona. ;)
 
Bah whatever take the series, I'm out after this season it's getting stupid.
 
Bee
Bah whatever take the series, I'm out after this season it's getting stupid.
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I'm not trying to take it over, this is supposted to be a discussion about what to do to make it fair for people outside of your little circle of friends, Bee. As I gather from convo's around these forums, there's about 6,7 maybe more that are a close knit bunch of friends and family, so you are all aware of when to be on to grab seats etc. It's just difficult to see this as being a fair format to use.

I didn't ask for everyone to give in, I just wanted to put my opinion on how we could change things for the better, to make it more competetive and more involved rather than being FIRST-IN-BEST-'DRIVE'.

Is it possible for anyone to take a mature approach to this and consider that it could work? We're all here to race together, racing is (supposted to be) competetive, so show that you can be a competitor.

BTW: Is that Sarah Chalke in your avatar?
 
Hmmmm, there is always the option of a modified lottery to refresh the entire field.

Basically the cars/teams are assigned numbers up to 22, members pick a number and get the car is correspondes to. So for example:

If a Spyker was a number 14 and I picked that number I would get the Spyker car. However it would not neccessarily mean that 13 or 15 is the 2nd Spyker car because things would be mixed up.

Just throwing another idea out there.
 
somebody
Due to a family emergency I have to leave for a while and won't be in a position to get on the net for anything. I have one outstanding batracer game which I would appreciate somebody (anybody) completing.

It's a LMES game, GT class, currently running 1-2 in game. Team mate is David Smith (WR#11); both Kawasie and Sharky have teamed with him before I believe. If you take over, please let him know I'm sorry I had to bail, but it was unavoidable.

Login: somebody
Pass: gtplanet

Don't forget to let a mod know that you have taken over my account or they may lock it (and yours) as a multi-user. And change the password too or else somebody dodgy will read this and do something funny.

I'll talk to you all when/if I return.

Regards and Thanks,
Brett Edwards
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Since it looks like no-one else has picked up the challenge, I will.

Although you didn't mention that you have 2 championships on the go.:grumpy:

Hope everything works out for you and your family, Brett.
 
Sting
Hmmmm, there is always the option of a modified lottery to refresh the entire field.

Basically the cars/teams are assigned numbers up to 22, members pick a number and get the car is correspondes to. So for example:

If a Spyker was a number 14 and I picked that number I would get the Spyker car. However it would not neccessarily mean that 13 or 15 is the 2nd Spyker car because things would be mixed up.

Just throwing another idea out there.
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Ok, that sounds interesting. But it would have to be done by somebody out of the current or next season, so that numbers can't be discussed between friends (of whoever is assisgning the numbers)

Eg. Somebody not associated with GTP BATracer at all. Maybe the guy who made these forums?It's only something to do once a month... I'm sure he wouldn't mind.
 
XGT Taipan
BTW: Is that Sarah Chalke in your avatar?
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Yes, yes it is. :)

And I'm not quitting because of that, I'm quitting the whole game :lol: It doesn't intrest me anymore.

Once my current games have finished, thats me done. :)
 

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