Beater or Sleeper? GT6 Car of the Week Thread

Let me know if there's a time you can race throughout the week, @BAP_Shockz . I'll do what I can to get you a chance to stretch it's Tiny-Tim decrepit legs.

If this isn't too much to ask, could I get a time to race with you as well? I'd love to join the normal lobbies, but this Portuguese time system doesn't lend itself well to 'Murican time lines, if you know what I mean...

No, it's worse than that. A bomb offers an explosion, a sense of awe and simultaneous destruction.

Choosing between these two is like picking which McDonald's you'd like to eat at for every day of your life, and the same meal at that.

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Michael Bay movies at least have pretty explosions and Linkin Park playing during said explosions, so they are (slightly) interesting.

This is the equivalent of watching a documentary about snail racing; slow, plodding and about as exciting as one would expect. And I'd rather spend my money on Mcdonalds meals than spending it on a Vectra. 'Nuff said.

The responsible party has already been named by the Committee of Me, as noted in a previous post. @Niku Driver HC is currently under investigation by the stewards for failure to ensure points, which if found guilty, may result in a grid penalty and time spent standing in the corner. As for the cowboy reference, I'd watch my mouth if I were you.

There ain't room on this board for the both of us... At least my hat has an honest F1 touch, given to the teams at Monza last year by Mario Andretti.

Oh curse you and your ten gallon hat. I can't just have trips to Monza and meetings with F1 legends like you, Rich Mcmoney. The best I could afford is meeting Markku Alen in person during a car for a few seconds (and "scolding" my father for speaking Portuguese to him, since you know, he doesn't really speak English...), and going to Boavista to watch the WTCC races.

But of course, thanks to the Portuguese government, I can't even have the pleasure of watching WTCC in Boavista again, because apparently money over everything else...

Fear not, I took the liberty of using cheap plastic eggs. Oddly enough, more colorful than this pile.

No wonder they tasted like used Action Man figures... Trusting you is a dangerous task, it seems. But you are right, a plastic egg offers more colour and flair than both Vectras combined. And children will like the eggs more. It is a well-known fact that Vectras make children cry, just like the Boogeyman and Disney movies.

You'll thank me when you get older. And it'll put hair on your chest (my uncle would say that in an attempt to make trying something more appealing... yeah, chest hair is appealing?).

Eh, chest hair? It could be manly or not. It depends on how well you sell it to the ladies... I'll find that out when I get old enough to reach the "Middle age crisis" and buy a Corvette or something.

Okay, this wins a No Prize. Nuff said.

Yay, what prize does that give me?

........

Oh god damm you, Mcclaren. :irked:

According to many experts, the problem with me is that I didn't take christ into my heart. That's because it was too busy thinking for itself and not relying on texts compiled by crusty, old, dead white guys. I'll attempt to correct that... oh f' it, why pretend?

I REGRET NOTHING!

A man that speaks his own mind... Just be careful if you ever wind up working for the BBC, you never know if you'll punch one of your colleagues over how overcooked your steak was. Or something like that...

#bradfearsnothin

No. When I say it, it sounds like I'm auditioning for a dirty porn. When others say it, it's fine. This is also why I cannot list "White Mocha Guy" as a title... it sounds a bit racist. But when my baristas call me that, it's a sign of affection, and thus the cosmos achieves balance.

Unlike this piece of junk, which should be balanced into the nearest, deepest body of water as quickly as possible.

By the way, has anyone else noticed how much it resembles the Dodge Not-Much-of-an-Avenger?

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Proof that you can steal designs, so long as they're ugly as sin. Expect a Camaro variant shortly, as that's an abortion on wheels.

Oh, that's a pity, but at least your baristas respect you. Probably a good thing, as being a F1 fan requires being unable to sleep during the Asian GPs, which happen at the most unhealthy hours when it comes to other countries...

Ah, another car that is so memorable, that I completely forgot about that. Remember when the Viper wasn't the only interesting car that Dodge made?

Because I sure don't. By the way, that dude on the picture... He looks just like the right type of person that would be Vectra owner; cheesy haircut, pulled-up sleeves, the whole lot. And he'd probably be an Avenger owner as well, it's like they were made for each other...
 
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So, this is the story of my short-lived time with the Vectra, more specifically the Vauxhall Vectra.

It all starts with me on my computer, and my camera/time guy sending me a message
"Hey, (REDACTED), my man! got some bad news for ya."
"The Sauber Team failed to win something and we have to drive a Vectra because of it?"
"Pretty much, yeah."
"I shall choose the Vauxhall then, because i prefer the British stereotype over the German stereotype, so get ready to import it near Midfield."
And so he did, only to find that there were some other tuned to 500PP boring sedans waiting to see which was better.
There was Sycamore the C5.... with 490PP. Masuda the Primera.... with 498PP. and..... Pewdiepie the Volvo S60... which was the only other car tuned to an actual 500PP.
The Vectra lap was filled with understeer, and after i finished it, i went to the Mid-Park to get some tea and crumpets. And every now and then, i was still laughing at the 490PP C5, and then, the Camera/Time guy decided to tell me the time the cars finished while i was eating my last crumpet, how rude.
And then, my laugh was short lived.
1.24.377 - Volvo S60
1.24.418 - Nissan Primera
1.25.071 - Citroen C5
1.25.709 - Vauxhall Vectra​
It got beaten, by a C5. Guess the verdict.
Beater.


....For racing.
The Vauxhall version of the Vectra fits perfectly in London UK Law rooms.
The Opel Vectra however, complete Beater.
 
If this isn't too much to ask, could I get a time to race with you as well? I'd love to join the normal lobbies, but this Portuguese time system doesn't lend itself well to 'Murican time lines, if you know what I mean...

I don't think it'll be a problem, but keep in mind (@BAP_Shockz you'll need to pay attention to this part, too) that nearly every TV in my house is spoken for prior to 10p CST (Central Standard Time). I do have one in my office, but the extra internet security measures means that the lag on normal nights could be doubled if not tripled, so after 10p is best as that's directly to the modem, do not pass Go, do not collect $200. Also... despite being the mega F1 fan, I'm terrible at converting time zones, so when you guys pitch times, please do so in my time zone so I have no excuses or room for error. I promise, it's easier that way. As usual, anyone else online will be free to join us.

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Michael Bay movies at least have pretty explosions and Linkin Park playing during said explosions, so they are (slightly) interesting.

No amount of lens flare, no Hollywood special effects or insane budget could save this car from being bland. It's almost as if this car puts everyone to sleep by trying not to offend anyone, yet manages to offend everyone. Like I said last night, this car should feature an Assisted Suicide option as standard equipment.

Then again, I suppose that was left out because it'd be something worth mentioning... and we can't have that!

This is the equivalent of watching a documentary about snail racing; slow, plodding and about as exciting as one would expect. And I'd rather spend my money on Mcdonalds meals than spending it on a Vectra. 'Nuff said.

Mr. Ryan Reynolds is not happy about this, as he starred in THE quintessential snail racing documentary, Turbo. Now he's playing Deadpool, so I'd start looking for a new residence. When filming wraps up, he might come looking for you. He just killed Mario Lopez for christ sake!

Oh curse you and your ten gallon hat. I can't just have trips to Monza and meetings with F1 legends like you, Rich Mcmoney. The best I could afford is meeting Markku Alen in person during a car for a few seconds (and "scolding" my father for speaking Portuguese to him, since you know, he doesn't really speak English...), and going to Boavista to watch the WTCC races.

FIA regulations supercede the American Imperial form of measurement, and even then this hat is no where near the 37.8541 liters that you claim. It's more of a traditional cowboy hat. Sadly, I didn't get the hat at Monza, Mario gave each of the teams 4 hats as a gift from Circuit of the Americas (COTA), and the team was more than gracious to send it to me before the race in Austin so that I could use it for their recap video. About a week before, their media crew contacted me and had it delivered by mail. I'd love to claim that I'm McRich, but I'm not even McMiddle Class... I'm McNoClass with fries (think Nappy Meal), but I am trying to scrape a few pennies so that the Google+ fans can all meet next year at COTA face-to-face, and you guys are also welcome to join us! If you need help finding a hotel just let me know (I am a former travel agent and am looking at bulk discounts), when I went in 2012 I paid $46 per night, whereas people staying in Austin paid upwards of $600 per night. I'm also working on getting tons of really, really cheap champagne for us to spray on Sunday night, our own private Podium Party.

But of course, thanks to the Portuguese government, I can't even have the pleasure of watching WTCC in Boavista again, because apparently money over everything else...

Multiply that by 10-20 and you'll understand what life is like in the United States.

No wonder they tasted like used Action Man figures... Trusting you is a dangerous task, it seems.

"Duh" seems like an understatement, but then again it worked on Sauber F1, Google+ and here, so ask yourself if the risk is worth it. Even if my actions/choices/philosophies backfire in the worst possible way, you won't get an STD. And that's more insurance that you'll find anywhere else in this world.

At least until the test results come back.

But you are right, a plastic egg offers more colour and flair than both Vectras combined. And children will like the eggs more. It is a well-known fact that Vectras make children cry, just like the Boogeyman and Disney movies.

Let's just run through the list: Shogun of Harlem, Ryan Reynolds, and now David Spade is third in line! And I thought I was edgy and offensive! I tip my hat to you, sir. I won't tell The Mouse if you don't, cause his beatings are delivered by lawyers... plural.

Eh, chest hair? It could be manly or not. It depends on how well you sell it to the ladies... I'll find that out when I get old enough to reach the "Middle age crisis" and buy a Corvette or something.

Two things: 1. Hopefully by then you'll have taste and realize that every other pensioner with mommy issues already has one, and 2. By the time you're able to get one it'll be recalled.


Yay, what prize does that give me?

........

Oh god damm you, Mcclaren. :irked:

I think the No Prize should replace the Nobel Prize.

A man that speaks his own mind... Just be careful if you ever wind up working for the BBC, you never know if you'll punch one of your colleagues over how overcooked your steak was. Or something like that...

#bradfearsnothin

I just call 'em like I see 'em. If you want the cream of the crop, find the posts of me taking on the Giedo van der Garde trolls that went after Sauber after the settlement. There's gold in them-there posts. Cliffs Notes: Marcus and Felipe have Championship points, GVD has a forklift. I scored that as a KO in the first round.

I also maintain that he (the producer, and GVD for that matter yet unrelated) had it coming and I will gladly do it again simply to provide symmetry to his horrid face.

Oh, that's a pity, but at least your baristas respect you. Probably a good thing, as being a F1 fan requires being unable to sleep during the Asian GPs, which happen at the most unhealthy hours when it comes to other countries...

Kids say YOLO, and I look at them and say "If you only live once, you're doing it wrong." Sleep is for cowards.

Ah, another car that is so memorable, that I completely forgot about that. Remember when the Viper wasn't the only interesting car that Dodge made?

Are you not aware that Shelby had a line of Chryslers in the 80's? Before you get excited, they were FWD and mostly forgettable... yet there they are.

Because I sure don't. By the way, that dude on the picture... He looks just like the right type of person that would be Vectra owner; cheesy haircut, pulled-up sleeves, the whole lot. And he'd probably be an Avenger owner as well, it's like they were made for each other...

90% of American Muscle car fans do nothing but spout large horsepower figures from the 60s. While this is nice on paper, they have absolutely no grasp of gross vs net horsepower, let alone the importance of power-to-weight ratios. This explains the entirety of the Fast and the Furious franchise, and why I refuse to support it.

Do you know what the difference is between a Toyota Supra and a Porsche Carrera GT? Paul Walker wouldn't be caught dead in a Supra.

Today's race just cemented the fact, that I 🤬 hate the Vectra.

Next time cement the Vectra and we'll go find it a nice, new home... with the fishes.
 
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I don't think it'll be a problem, but keep in mind (@BAP_Shockz you'll need to pay attention to this part, too) that nearly every TV in my house is spoken for prior to 10p CST (Central Standard Time). I do have one in my office, but the extra internet security measures means that the lag on normal nights could be doubled if not tripled, so after 10p is best as that's directly to the modem, do not pass Go, do not collect $200. Also... despite being the mega F1 fan, I'm terrible at converting time zones, so when you guys pitch times, please do so in my time zone so I have no excuses or room for error. I promise, it's easier that way. As usual, anyone else online will be free to join us.

I don't really have a problem with the time zones and all, because whenever we race, it's always in the afternoon for me, so I always have time to spare. That is, if I actually do manage to wake up in time.

Next time cement the Vectra and we'll go find it a nice, new home... with the fishes.

That would be a waste of cement.

Wouldn't this have been better?

I don't know too much about the BTCC, or whether the teams are privately funded or backed by manufacturers, but if that was a manufacturer's effort, then I'm pissed that the road car turned out to be a pile of 🤬.

I'm not bitter, but I can't imagine how you beat me by 2.5 seconds when neither of us have a wheel. I could swear my lap was nearly flawless. I'll believe 1:30 maybe but no way 1:29

You should see him during our meets. Him and @Vic Reign93 are always around 10 seconds ahead during our meets. Perplexing.
 
I don't really have a problem with the time zones and all, because whenever we race, it's always in the afternoon for me, so I always have time to spare. That is, if I actually do manage to wake up in time.

Cool. @Niku Driver HC just send me a PM when you have an ideal time, and I'll do what I can to accomodate.

That would be a waste of cement.

Myth confirmed.

I don't know too much about the BTCC, or whether the teams are privately funded or backed by manufacturers, but if that was a manufacturer's effort, then I'm pissed that the road car turned out to be a pile of 🤬.

Doesn't really matter because the race car shares nothing with the road car, save for the Badge of Shame.

You should see him during our meets. Him and @Vic Reign93 are always around 10 seconds ahead during our meets. Perplexing.

Part of that lies in their superior internet capabilities. They're often 3x faster upload/download speeds than the rest of us, and although Sony should be able to equalize this discrepancy (GT5 was better at it) it ends up killing the times for the rest of us. Don't get me wrong, they are fast drivers! However, all things equal, we wouldn't be nearly as far behind. I've seen Vic take an outrageous PP handicap and still come out on top thanks to his supperior connection.

So if anyone wants to pay a visit to his ISP... there might be a lil' something in it for ya. ;)
 
After much real-world faffing about I finally dust off my virtual driving gloves for this? OK, but I'm taking the Opel. I can at least tell people who don't know much about cars that it's German.

So... About the Vectra... Well, it's a car. It starts when you switch it on and doesn't stop until you switch it off. There's a thin pedal on the right that does a moderately good job of making the car go forwards, there's a pedal on the left that manages the clutch perfectly adequately, and there's a pedal in the middle that brings the car down from speed reasonably well. The problem is the round thing in front of the driver. Sure, it makes the vehicle change direction, but there's no feel, and a lot of understeer.

Settling down to it, the car isn't all that slow. Not that it's fast. Because it isn't. But it's not painfully slow. With careful attention to getting all of the slowing down completed before corner entry I'm turning laps in the low to mid 1:28 range at Streets of Willow. For a car with absolutely no sporting pretensions at all it's about where you'd expect it to be. And that's the problem.

When it comes right down to it, the Vectra isn't bad. It's not good either. It's just sort of nothing. It's a bland lump of car. No horrible traits, no wonderful traits, just complete and utter mediocrity. At least with a bad car there's something to keep you entertained, some fatal flaw that has to be overcome and provides some feeling of having coaxed something possibly resembling performance out of a reluctant partner.

Like that former partner you broke up with because they would just lay there, nonresponsive, during sex, the Vectra's most prominent characteristic is that you really just want to forget it.
 
Ok, I'll be answering @McClarenDesign's wonderful responses to me in a separate post, as I'll dedicate this on to the time for the races.

And sadly, I'm afraid that there is no good option for me when it comes to that. After reading through Brad's notes about only being able to acess his console at 8:00 pm CST, that means that I would only be able to join at 2:00 am local time, so unfortunately I can't really be able to join regardless. A pity, but now I know how hard it must be for some to join the rooms, when they're not from America and have to abide by CST rules.

And before you ask, no, playing PS3 at two in the morning is not necessarly allowed in my house. It's a tad bit too risky...
 
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No amount of lens flare, no Hollywood special effects or insane budget could save this car from being bland. It's almost as if this car puts everyone to sleep by trying not to offend anyone, yet manages to offend everyone. Like I said last night, this car should feature an Assisted Suicide option as standard equipment.

Then again, I suppose that was left out because it'd be something worth mentioning... and we can't have that!

Well, we could put the car in Alarm für Cobra 11, and have it explode. It wouldn't help the car with not being bland, but it would be great entertainment for us to watch. And hey, it worked when Justin Bieber went to CSI just to get shot, so why wouldn't it work for the Vectra?

Keep that in mind, Mr. Brad.

Mr. Ryan Reynolds is not happy about this, as he starred in THE quintessential snail racing documentary, Turbo. Now he's playing Deadpool, so I'd start looking for a new residence. When filming wraps up, he might come looking for you. He just killed Mario Lopez for christ sake!

Now you're sending Smoky after me? The Firebird was already done last week, Brad. And everyone knows that Turbo is about what would Indycar be if they allowed snails to race in the category. Get your facts straight, please. And he's Deadpool too? Interesting, but I'd fear the Hulk more. He skips past the goofy part and rips my head off its shoulders. Sure, Deadpool can slice it, but he'd be too busy joking around before that.

Also, who's Mario Lopez? (Haha, movie ignorance.)

FIA regulations supercede the American Imperial form of measurement, and even then this hat is no where near the 37.8541 liters that you claim. It's more of a traditional cowboy hat. Sadly, I didn't get the hat at Monza, Mario gave each of the teams 4 hats as a gift from Circuit of the Americas (COTA), and the team was more than gracious to send it to me before the race in Austin so that I could use it for their recap video. About a week before, their media crew contacted me and had it delivered by mail. I'd love to claim that I'm McRich, but I'm not even McMiddle Class... I'm McNoClass with fries (think Nappy Meal), but I am trying to scrape a few pennies so that the Google+ fans can all meet next year at COTA face-to-face, and you guys are also welcome to join us! If you need help finding a hotel just let me know (I am a former travel agent and am looking at bulk discounts), when I went in 2012 I paid $46 per night, whereas people staying in Austin paid upwards of $600 per night. I'm also working on getting tons of really, really cheap champagne for us to spray on Sunday night, our own private Podium Party.

That's... a lot to take in. So, you win the hat argument. There, I concede that one to you. As for the rest, even if you are McMiddle ClassMan, you sure have a strange way of showing it. I don't that many McMiddle ClassMan that get multiple Mario Andretti hats for their F1 recaps, and one which is autographed. And that COTA idea is fine and dandy, a good idea indeed. If I ever get the chance to go to 'Murica (i.e. getting money for the actual trip), I might just consider following your tour guide. If not, I'll just cheer from the sidelines. That okay with you?

Multiply that by 10-20 and you'll understand what life is like in the United States.

Oh yeah, I heard they tear down oval tracks in favour of shopping malls. That does sound pretty bad, what lovely politicians we have in our countries, huh?

"Duh" seems like an understatement, but then again it worked on Sauber F1, Google+ and here, so ask yourself if the risk is worth it. Even if my actions/choices/philosophies backfire in the worst possible way, you won't get an STD. And that's more insurance that you'll find anywhere else in this world.

At least until the test results come back.

Uh-uh... Thank god you are at least a good car fan, otherwise I'd be awfully upset with that plan.

Let's just run through the list: Shogun of Harlem, Ryan Reynolds, and now David Spade is third in line! And I thought I was edgy and offensive! I tip my hat to you, sir. I won't tell The Mouse if you don't, cause his beatings are delivered by lawyers... plural.

Jesus, if you keep calling the badass dudes, I'll either die or you'll call Chuck Norris. And I don't know which one I'd take, to be quite honest... :scared:

And I'm perfectly fine with going 1v1 with that damm mouse, he still has to explain to me the reason why Stan Lee's work doesn't get broadcasted outside of Japan when it was made with America in mind, but get all the people that worked in that (Stan the Man included) and create a movie that's more or less the same concept and say "Well, we blocked one, but here's more or less the same idea".

Yes, I'm bitter about that, because Buena Vista bothers the Bones Studio with licensing, but god forbid them not just doing the same concept with a different language. So there, bring that darn big-eared mouse and his mighty lawyers.

Two things: 1. Hopefully by then you'll have taste and realize that every other pensioner with mommy issues already has one, and 2. By the time you're able to get one it'll be recalled.

Eh, I don't really mind being part of a crowd, I've done that a lot in my life. And besides, I really want to own at least one Muscle Car/American sports car, so you can't really derail my dream. Not even with the recall references...


I think the No Prize should replace the Nobel Prize.

And I think that should be confined to the annals of history, but that might be just me...

I just call 'em like I see 'em. If you want the cream of the crop, find the posts of me taking on the Giedo van der Garde trolls that went after Sauber after the settlement. There's gold in them-there posts. Cliffs Notes: Marcus and Felipe have Championship points, GVD has a forklift. I scored that as a KO in the first round.

I also maintain that he (the producer, and GVD for that matter yet unrelated) had it coming and I will gladly do it again simply to provide symmetry to his horrid face.

Wow, you'll go the extra mile to defend Sauber, huh? Well, I always found the GVD story to be major bollocks anyways, so I'm perfectly fine with that. Also, remind me to never double-cross you when it comes to Sauber.

Kids say YOLO, and I look at them and say "If you only live once, you're doing it wrong." Sleep is for cowards.

Watch out, we have a badass over here.

Oh wait, there's an image for that, just a sec:
watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png

Perfect.

Are you not aware that Shelby had a line of Chryslers in the 80's? Before you get excited, they were FWD and mostly forgettable... yet there they are.

Hey, I liked those Shebly Chryslers. Sure, they were all FWD, but they were far more interesting than their non-Shelby counterparts. The Charger may have been ugly but it was somewhat fun, the Daytona was alright for a pickup truck (still prefer GMC's effort though), and the Omni GLH/GLHS was a solid hot-hatch. Based a on goddamm Talbot, no less! That deserves some credit by itself, I believe.

90% of American Muscle car fans do nothing but spout large horsepower figures from the 60s. While this is nice on paper, they have absolutely no grasp of gross vs net horsepower, let alone the importance of power-to-weight ratios. This explains the entirety of the Fast and the Furious franchise, and why I refuse to support it.

Do you know what the difference is between a Toyota Supra and a Porsche Carrera GT? Paul Walker wouldn't be caught dead in a Supra.

Thank godness I know a bit about power-to-weight ratios being rather important then, that makes me a different type of and American Muscle Car fan. Not to mention that Fast and Furious never really told me much other than the fact that America really likes to cast Joaquim de Almeida as a Latin villain. But since 24 did that before...

And you're telling me my jokes are offensive, and you bust out a Paul Walker joke? Hello, this is irony, nice to meet you.
 
What's with all the argument happening lately?? first it all started with the Sauber Team losing somehow then it gone completely out of control with things that had nothing to do with it in the first place :confused:, it just makes me don't want to come back to this thread :(
 
What's with all the argument happening lately?? first it all started with the Sauber Team losing somehow then it gone completely out of control with things that had nothing to do with it in the first place :confused:, it just makes me don't want to come back to this thread :(

Don't worry man, we're just kidding around, no one is mad. It's just our own way of doing jokes, no need to concern yourself. ;) We're all good friends with each other, so we can screw around like this from time to time. Otherwise, this thread would get pretty boring, wouldn't you say?
 
What's with all the argument happening lately?? first it all started with the Sauber Team losing somehow then it gone completely out of control with things that had nothing to do with it in the first place :confused:, it just makes me don't want to come back to this thread :(

It's not so much an argument, as it is friendly banter between a couple of parties. Relax, we're all friends here, mate.
 
What's with all the argument happening lately?? first it all started with the Sauber Team losing somehow then it gone completely out of control with things that had nothing to do with it in the first place :confused:, it just makes me don't want to come back to this thread :(

I wouldn't worry about any of it, breaking balls, sarcasm and dark humor becomes routine after a while when you've been racing with us, we're all good buddy's here. ( mostly :P)

Talking of routine, here's my take on the Vectra. ( no silent review this time as I've already used that joke :lol:)

The Vectra we have in the game is the top spec, non VXR (or OPC) model with a 3.2 V6 making just over 200hp and its hooked up to a 5 speed gearbox driving the front wheels.

Now a heavy V6 upfront coupled with Front wheel drive usually gives a pretty poor weight balance and this is no exception, with 63% of the Vectras 1,510kg weight hung over the front axle and Comfort soft tyres, you'll probably be expecting some understeer.

But you'll be wrong.





It has a ton of understeer. :D

You'll be probably wondering why I'm pointing that out and you're saying, But Vic, what did you expect? It's not built for the track and why isn't the VXR version here?

To which I'll respond, neither was the Alfa 3.2 GT and was last years COTY winner.
The VXR isn't in the game and if it was, I'll probably call it a beater too.

It's ok to get more power out of a factory car with a turbocharger, but you expect that they'll tweak the chassis to compinsate for the power increase and for the Vectra VXR, they didn't even bother.

My previous post a page back has a decent example of the result of what that does.

The Vectra did sell reasonably well, but so does the Toyota Corolla, and that car also gets the generic treatment.

At least the Corolla sold so much and had a few decent models to boot, the Vectra on the hand has no decent models.

No noticeable styling, no redeeming features, not particularly fast and compared to my former COTW choice, The Acura CL Type S, is slower, more expensive, doesn't handle as good and isn't as good looking.

There's pretty much no redemption for this car in my eyes, I'm glad that the car that replaced the Vectra, the Insignia, made up for a ton of the Vectras shortcomings.

Heck the VXR version had all wheel drive and was capable of 170mph for less than £30.000. :eek:

If this car isn't the 2015 BOTY, then whatever beats it will have to be something spectacularly bad.

Verdict: Beater 👎👎
 
I just tested the Alfa Romeo GT 3.2 V6 24V '04 at Mid-Field to see how much faster it is than the Vectra.

Turns out it takes just under 5 seconds from when the Alfa crosses the line for the Vectra to finish.

The Alfa has 19 more horses, but 2 fewer ft-lbs of torque. The main thing here is the Alfa weighs 163 kg less.

Seriously, who buys a Vectra when there are several faster FF 3.2L options to choose from?
 
What's with all the argument happening lately?? first it all started with the Sauber Team losing somehow then it gone completely out of control with things that had nothing to do with it in the first place :confused:, it just makes me don't want to come back to this thread :(

@ToyGTone no worries, mate. That's how @Niku Driver HC knows that he's tolerable we like him. When you're ready, we'll be happy to rip on you, too.

And it was only the one hat, not even autographed, but only 4 total were made for each team. Although it isn't signed, I'm still pretty happy that it's been touched by a World Champion F1 piloti before being passed down. Perhaps now you understand why my blood is blue and yellow. Well, that and "Sauber" is Swiss-German for "clean", so when I yell GO SAUBER I can both support my team while keeping the wife busy. It's a win-win.

And I maintain that Turbo was a documentary! Didn't you see what happened after CART split up?

I bought this Opel in GT5 and i liked it and its looks.

Therefore i say sleeper...

Sleeper also because to some of you, this cars will put you to sleep ... Beater because it beats on your expectations...

Did i do this correctly ?

Choosing either isn't a requirement, but with everyone's participation it's seemed to have become a trend. Like others have said before, there are no wrong answers, just be ready to defend your opinions when we have questions. That, and be prepared to bring your wits and good humor. Lotta jokers around here, probably all delivered by @Niku Driver HC 's clown car.

Again, it's all in good fun. Or my mom. Or both.

My verdict: It's both a beater and a sleeper. It puts me to sleep, and after I wake up I want to send it to a support group for battered cars, because a punch in the face is the sort of character this car needs. And a black eye. I don't condone domestic violence... that's why I took it to a parking lot first. Now it's public. :)

Like that former partner you broke up with because they would just lay there, nonresponsive, during sex, the Vectra's most prominent characteristic is that you really just want to forget it.

Like the prom queen, I think @Zenmervolt nailed it!

With careful attention to getting all of the slowing down completed before corner entry I'm turning laps in the low to mid 1:28 range at Streets of Willow. For a car with absolutely no sporting pretensions at all it's about where you'd expect it to be.

That is one thing I noticed Tuesday night, it forces you to rethink the way you enter a corner. Will this one kill me? What about the next one, or the one after that? Well, it won't, because by the time you've committed you're already slower than you should be. Doesn't matter, because everyone else can carry momentum through the corner while you're left waiting for the corner to pass you. If ever there were a group of engineers that deserved a kick in the nuts... OH! That's right...

I ramble on endlessly about my problems with GM and Chrysler, and this car is the pinnacle of my argument. Say it with me: ACCOUNTANTS CANNOT BUILD CARS! GM and Chrysler are too worried about their purse strings to do anything meaningful with the rest of their lineup, and this is the Prime Example! Well, that and everything from Eagle, Saturn and Geo. Where are they, again?

Seriously, who buys a Vectra when there are several faster FF 3.2L options to choose from?

People that have already given up, or don't care what they drive. I hate those people simply because they're the ones that gave us speed limits and speed bumps. If I had the ability, I'd pay triple what I do in taxes (about $3.50) to ship them to Mars.
 
*changes his name to something else so no one talks about the LMP* :P

Anyway....

Tried this car yesterday and you guys explained it all, i have nothing to say. it's a beater when i heard the name of this week and it's much more beater after i tried it out.

Thank God Opel's popularity in my country decrease a lot after 10 years or so, back then it was much more popular but now i only see 1 Opel car at a week.
 
IMHO, a more reasonable comparison:

Cars:
Nissan Primera 20V (EU) '01 146kW / 7.000 rpm 205,9Nm / 5.000 rpm 1.320kg FWD / NA WD*-62:38 389PP
Mazda6 5-door '03 130kW / 6.500 rpm 214,6Nm / 4.000 rpm 1.390kg FWD / NA WD -63:47 382PP
VW Bora V6 4MOTION '01 149kW / 6.100 rpm 269,5Nm / 3.000 rpm 1.540kg 4WD / NA WD -59:41 384PP
Peugeot 406 Coupé 3.0 V6 '98 151kW / 6.000 rpm 285,1Nm / 3.500 rpm 1.560kg FWD / NA WD -64:36 389PP
Citroen C5 V6 Exclusive '03 154kW / 6.000 rpm 294 Nm / 3.500 rpm 1.540kg FWD / NA WD -60:40 392PP
Opel Vectra 3.2 V6 '03 155kW / 6.000 rpm 299,8Nm/ 4.000 rpm 1.510kg FWD / NA WD -63:37 394PP
Alfa Romeo 156 2.5 V6 24V'98 141kW / 7.200 rpm 218,5Nm / 5.000 rpm 1.320kg FWD / NA WD -61:39 387PP
Alfa Romeo 166 2.5 V6 24V'98 141kW / 6.500 rpm 221,4Nm / 5.000 rpm 1.520kg FWD / NA WD -59:41 377PP

Track:
Red Bull Ring Spielberg - short
Arcade Mode (edit: grip set to real)
3 laps (fastest shown in Result Table below)

Settings:
All cars were used stock, no oil change, turned off TCS and on Comfort Soft tires.
G27 Wheel (no brake mod.) using the clutch and H-Shifter on all cars.

Results:
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Impressions:

The Opel Vectra was strongest car of the comparison, however by only 1kW more than the Citroen but 25kW more than the Mazda. The Vectra also was one of the heaviest cars in the test. On the Track it took 0,828 sec. less to cross the line than Citroen, over a second to the Nissan and almost 2 seconds to Alfa 166 and the 4WD VW Bora.

The laptime surprised me because it never actually felt that fast, it seemed to understeer the most from all the cars tested, except for the Bora. It was the Vectras turn right after I had the Citroen running, the C5 is nice to drive it handles extremely neutral, it hadn't have one tire turning orange during the test. The Vectra then I found more shaky, feels lose and unresponsive. Especially the tired transmission made me think I'd lose a lot of time in the straights.

I chose the Peugeot as the only Coupe in the comparison and it's also a bit older, but it's the heaviest and has the worse weight distribution. Stats didn't promise much and so the poor performance was no surpise.

As much as the Vectras laptime was a nice surprise, the handling of the weakest of cars in the test was even more surprising; Mazda6 - 130kW, only 214Nm of torque, but it became clear after a few meters on track, that this is not going to be the slowest car. It's noticable in the corners that it has the best suspension, it keeps its line with very little understeer, it doesn't become lose under breaking so you can throw it into the turn and just hold it there and go back on throttle for a fast exit. A very good handling car that keeps up with the stronger ones, might be classified a sleeper.

The next big surprise, I already mentioned it a few times, is the poor Bora. It's not just the name that reminds me of "boring" it also drives that way. You would think its got a great advantage over the rest of the field, because its the only one with four-wheel-drive. The stats wouldn't make you guess otherwise either, it's almost on par with the the Opel and Citroen, with only 6kW less than the Vectra and same weight as the C5. So, since this is not about the Bora I keep it short: "It sucks" "Beater" "Beater x2".

Summary:

I would say the Opel Vectra is 52% sleeper, 48% beater. Or put in differently, it's neither a sleeper nor a beater really, but since it has to be classified somehow according to the question the tendency goes slightly towards sleeper. Of course compare it to rear-wheel-driven and/or 25+ kW more powerful and sportier cars and you can only find the beater in it. So 52:48 it is.

The Mazda6 turned out to be a great car, I'd classify as sleeper.

The VW Bora turned out to be trash, I do classify it as an absolute beater.

Edit: I'm a total Opel fanboy but kept it aside for this, I do like the Vectra and I have many of them tuned for 450; 500PP. I get gold on seasonal TT's like the Bathurst two wheel 500PP some time ago and have won a couple of PP races at the Ring so this car isn't bad at all IMO. This was a great opportunity to test this car in stock condition, because I never before bought a Vectra without going straight into tuning it.

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*WD = weight distribution
 
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Besides the Acura CL, Alfa Brera and GT, and Vectra, are there any other FF's with a 3.2L V6 in the game?

There is the VW Beetle RSi, Audi A3 and TT's (heh, TT's...) but those are all 4WD :(

I guess I could test the Audi A3 and see if it crushes the Opel.
 

Oh you and your sense of humor... We know Alfas are awesome, but we also know that they're not the best sedans of all time. :lol:

Also, great job @Flaco13, a very through test with multiple cars. And I'm glad to hear someone else praising the C5's handling, you can tell that it handles pretty good for a sedan. All it needs is a better gearbox...

Besides the Acura CL, Alfa Brera and GT, and Vectra, are there any other FF's with a 3.2L V6 in the game?

There is the VW Beetle RSi, Audi A3 and TT's (heh, TT's...) but those are all 4WD :(

I guess I could test the Audi A3 and see how badly it crushes the Opel.

I don't think there are more FF sedans with V6 engines, only coupes (i.e. Mitsu FTO).
 
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