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kensei
Ummm...why? Because he has driven very well and has a car that is fast AND reliable?

You make no sense.
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No because hes just making sure he wins the title by cautious driving which is understandable but not good entertainment and you know that. A good F1 race would be alonso and kimi slugging it out.
 
Young_Warrior
No because hes just making sure he wins the title by cautious driving which is understandable but not good entertainment and you know that. A good F1 race would be alonso and kimi slugging it out.
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Alonso all but has the title locked, why should he push the car if he doesn't need to? Why should he risk crashing, injurying himself or worst. That is F1. Any driver would like to be in the position that Alonso is in right now. He only got there through hard work and pushing the car when needed.

I don't get this opinion that F1 needs to be "entertaining" or needs to "put on a show"? Racing is racing. It is strategic and disciplined, especially at the level F1 is. If you want a "sports entertainment show" watch professional wrestling.
 
kensei
Alonso all but has the title locked, why should he push the car if he doesn't need to? Why should he risk crashing, injurying himself or worst. That is F1. Any driver would like to be in the position that Alonso is in right now. He only got there through hard work and pushing the car when needed.

I don't get this opinion that F1 needs to be "entertaining" or needs to "put on a show"? Racing is racing. It is strategic and disciplined, especially at the level F1 is. If you want a "sports entertainment show" watch professional wrestling.
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ahah wrestling is boring. F1 is all about pushint to the limits etc. Yo didnt see shumacher or senna ever driving all laxy daisy.
 
kensei
I don't get this opinion that F1 needs to be "entertaining" or needs to "put on a show"? Racing is racing. It is strategic and disciplined, especially at the level F1 is. If you want a "sports entertainment show" watch professional wrestling.
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I agree, if you only want to watch motorsport to see cars 'slugging it out' go to your local track and watch a formula ford race, nobody is making you watch F1.

You think it is boring, fine, but stop watching it if it's not what you want to see.

Blake
 
Young_Warrior
ahah wrestling is boring. F1 is all about pushint to the limits etc. Yo didnt see shumacher or senna ever driving all laxy daisy.
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Senna, probably not. But MS has had is share of sunday drives over the past few years.

F1 is about racing...racing is about strategy, discipline and organization.
 
Blake
I agree, if you only want to watch motorsport to see cars 'slugging it out' go to your local track and watch a formula ford race, nobody is making you watch F1.

You think it is boring, fine, but stop watching it if it's not what you want to see.

Blake
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I cant do that. I like fast cars too much. Plus for all we know kimi could still maybe win. Freakish things have happened before. Plus formula fords are too slow. and its not like I want to see accidents but racing like the other day when button passed chased down people and passed them.
 
Young_Warrior
ahah wrestling is boring. F1 is all about pushint to the limits etc. Yo didnt see shumacher or senna ever driving all laxy daisy.
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Yeah you're right. Senna never won from pole, or just walked the competition. He was always overtaking 20 cars a lap ... yep. That's what F1 was like back in the day :rolleyes:

Blake
 
when button is givin the car and doesnt need to worry about fuel he is very good at chasing down people... turkey was great like that.
 
I don't follow F1 just because of the racing element, I follow it because I love the cars.

The way they look, the way they attack corners, the twitchyness they sometimes get (especially Jordan and Minardi) and so forth.
 
One thing that could cure the overtaking problem that has been mentioned though is the push to pass thingy from CART, that would be intresting..
 
Bee
One thing that could cure the overtaking problem that has been mentioned though is the push to pass thingy from CART, that would be intresting..
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I'm sorry, push to pass is lame. One of the many things that makes CART so lame is the manufactured racing...between the push to pass, forced pit stops and stupid multiple tire rules it just all adds together into a faked reality.

Then again CART has been faking reality for years.
 
kensei
I'm sorry, push to pass is lame. One of the many things that makes CART so lame is the manufactured racing...between the push to pass, forced pit stops and stupid multiple tire rules it just all adds together into a faked reality.

Then again CART has been faking reality for years.
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Yeah i guess, but it would bring back overtaking, which is what we all want as fans isn't it?
 
Since blake is prob in bed i'll cover for him.

Friday First Practice Times

Pos. Driver Team Time Laps
1 A. Wurz McLaren 1:11.701 25
2 T. Sato BAR 1:12.738 17
3 F. Alonso Renault 1:12.782 10
4 J. Button BAR 1:12.918 12
5 K. Räikkönen McLaren 1:13.065 7
6 G. Fisichella Renault 1:13.094 10
7 JP. Montoya McLaren 1:13.256 6
8 A. Pizzonia Williams 1:13.427 4
9 M. Webber Williams 1:13.509 4
10 R. Zonta Toyota 1:13.573 31
11 R. Schumacher Toyota 1:13.788 6
12 M. Schumacher Ferrari 1:14.154 10
13 R. Barrichello Ferrari 1:14.282 10
14 C. Klien Red Bull 1:14.468 7
15 J. Trulli Toyota 1:14.504 6
16 D. Coulthard Red Bull 1:14.724 7
17 V. Liuzzi Red Bull 1:14.842 28
18 J. Villeneuve Sauber 1:15.211 14
19 N. Karthikeyan Jordan 1:16.230 14
20 T. Monteiro Jordan 1:16.230 15
21 N. Kiesa Jordan 1:16.351 23
22 R. Doornbos Minardi 1:16.769 12
23 C. Albers Minardi 1:17.180 8
24 F. Massa Sauber no time

Boy Sato done a good job!
 
Bee
Yeah i guess, but it would bring back overtaking, which is what we all want as fans isn't it?
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Ya I want more (manufactured) overtaking in F1....as much as I want monkeys to fly out of my....

I voted "not important" on the question on the FIA survey.
 
kensei
Ya I want more (manufactured) overtaking in F1....as much as I want monkeys to fly out of my....

I voted "not important" on the question on the FIA survey.
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Well it would still require driver skill, especially if your in an underpowered car with out the boost.
 
Or maybe BAR have a real good car this weekend, Button done well too.
 
Bee
One thing that could cure the overtaking problem that has been mentioned though is the push to pass thingy from CART, that would be intresting..
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Dont BAR already have one of those.. It just changes the setting and gives an xtra 70bhp (or close) for a few seconds.
 
Not that I know of, you sure it is not just the Rev Limiter?
 
DB9R
Dont BAR already have one of those.. It just changes the setting and gives an xtra 70bhp (or close) for a few seconds.
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I doubt it as it's not in the rules for F1....

I think BARs is it gives lets the engine rev a little higher when needed this giving the car some more grunt on the top end. However, given the Honda engine, it sounds like a bad idea to use it.

But I think all the teams can play with the fuel mixtures to give the car some extra grunt when needed. In fact I think most "race" cars do that.

For the McMerc it wouldn't be a "push to pass button" it would be either "push to end your race" or "push for smoke" button.
 
kensei
For the McMerc it wouldn't be a "push to pass button" it would be either "push to end your race" or "push for smoke" button.
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:lol:


Codename for Kimi's button: Absolutly-decimate-your-chances-of-finishing-button
Codename for JPM's button: Push-to-crash-into-backmarker-button
 
BAR do have one, it gives a quick burst of extra power, Ted Kravitz actually asked the BAR engineer about it and it basically is an overtake button but the engineer said we dont really want to call it an overtake button.
 
GT_Fan2005
BAR do have one, it gives a quick burst of extra power, Ted Kravitz actually asked the BAR engineer about it and it basically is an overtake button but the engineer said we dont really want to call it an overtake button.
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Sounds like BAR...those cheeky bastards are always pushing the rules to the n'th degree....which I guess does deserve some respect. There is a fine line between pushing the rules and cheating.

BAR knows all about cheating.
 
Bee
So does a certain Mr. M Schumacher from 1995 and 1997...
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In my book trying to drive another driver into the wall and a teams engineer's trying to hide things in knowledge of the rules (aka: cheating) are two different things. Both are gross and unacceptable, but much different.
 
How bout this equation then:

Ferrai+A1 ring 2002xBarrichello first, M Schumacher 2nd/A nice little word to Rubens=M Schumacher first, Barrichello 2nd?
 
Bee
How bout this equation then:

Ferrai+A1 ring 2002xBarrichello first, M Schumacher 2nd/A nice little word to Rubens=M Schumacher first, Barrichello 2nd?
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Did I ever say Ferrari are innocent? Ferrari just do it alot better than anyone else. It's not cheating when it's a red car, rather it's "creative use of the rules". Plus everyone knows if Ferrari can't win on the circuit they win in court. Early in this season I was surprised that Ferrari didn't start complaining about something (think Michelin tires, pre Monza 03)...that was a sign that even they knew that they were off the pace and had almost no hope.

The other thing Ferrari know very well is when to play their cards and when to hold them. Kenny Rogers would be proud.

"You got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them, know when to walk away...and when to run..."

I'd say Ferrari are at the "walk away" stage this season.
 
I really hope they get the the "when to run" stage next season, i've had enough of them (BTW schumi just done the fastest lap in paractice 2 by 6 tenths)
 

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