cant win a single a spec seasonal

[MetalJet]

I have been helping some local friends to get better at GT5. What I see in new players, besides track familiarity, is bad braking. Some try to pump the brakes lightly, others brake too late or too early. Not braking properly is arguably the biggest problem with putting in fast times. With the racing line on, I tell them to brake hard right before they reach the point where it changes from blue to red. Usually, you are still increasing in speed up to that point, so it's logical that you should brake right before the red. This will change based on the car, brake setup, etc., so the idea is to see if you can push a little further or if you have to brake even earlier. I make my "students" do 50 laps on a track, then take the racing line off and see how they do. Mixed results, but improvement is evident.

I also discourage using the ai cars to make the turns faster, because it actually slows you down most of the time. I've seen a lot of new drivers using this strategy and wondering why they can't win a race.

I discourage shortcuts, so they don't use that tactic all the time. It doesn't help you learn braking points or the track. If you can't win the race with the car you have, use a different one and try again.

The time trials are really the best training ground, but most new drivers can't drive well without SRF. To me, SRF may make you faster, but you don't get the feel of the car when you use it. I put my "students" in 4WD cars for the time trials, since they are much easier to drive without SRF than any other cars.

I hope this helps any new drivers that read it. One of my "students" can drive clean and compete now, so it does work for some.

 

[Morgoth_666]

I find it most useful during online races, seeing that's the only time I'm racing wheel to wheel. As soon as I switched to a wheel I realized that there would be a disappointing decrease in the adjustability of looking side to side.

When using an analog stick it gives a very realistic gradually turning, but with buttons it's 90 degrease to the left or right and that's it.

From the cockpit it's more like 45 to each side, a bit better. Still can't adjust it and it's still distractingly instantaneous. Being able to control how far it looks and how quickly it moves in rFactor rather spoiled me, not to mention look-to-apex.

 

[DCSemi]

With all my powerfull car, i ALWAYS loose. This game is going right to the garbage im too noob

Lol.

Just practice with the licences tests. Best way to learn the game. Try to get at least Silver times... it'll help you a lot!

Also, try to play MT (manual transmission)... it's a lot funnier and easier 👍

But yeah, GT series aren't a piece of cake when you first play it... BUT, practice makes perfect!

 

[Jsoccer9]

But yeah, GT series aren't a piece of cake when you first play it... BUT, practice makes perfect!

I would disagree. Recently PD has made GT5 a very easy game.

Back when I started (Christmas of 2010) the game was difficult but only because I didn't realize seasonal events. Anyway, I only had 20k to spend and not enough to buy a car suited for the seasonal events.

Now however, PD has made the game as hard as the user wants. They have given away 2 free cars Toyota 86 '12 and the GT500 Stealth Model. The GT500 can easily win the 650pp races, but if you can't then the Toyota will win the 400p races especially if you upgrade tires. With about 200k per race win you can easily get the dominate cars which are well known.

Also with all the assists the game provides you can get any car to fell like it has levels of grip that future F1 cars won't even challenge.

On the other hand, if you want a challenge then you can degrade your tires, race with no aids, and overall run any race with a car clearly inferior to the opponents.

This is precisely why PD didn't include a difficulty option. Besides having 3 or 4 choices there are essentially an unlimited amount of AI difficulties.

 

[Morgoth_666]

I would disagree. Recently PD has made GT5 a very easy game.

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Nothing mentioned there (I only edited the quote because I can't post a message that long) has anything to do with the fact that it can be very difficult for people completely unfamiliar with GT5 or a similar game to get comfortable with the basics of driving within its physics engine.

And it was never hard by those definitions, you could always very easily get a cheap car that was good enough to win plenty of races to get an only slightly more expensive one that could win most of the rest. It's always only been as hard as you make it. But you still have to be able to drive the cars to do it.

 

[Jsoccer9]

Nothing mentioned there (I only edited the quote because I can't post a message that long) has anything to do with the fact that it can be very difficult for people completely unfamiliar GT5 or a similar game to get comfortable with the basics of driving within its physics engine.

And it was never hard by those definitions, you could always very easily get a cheap car that was good enough to win plenty of races to get an only slightly more expensive one that could win most of the rest. It's always only been as hard as you make it. But you still have to be able to drive the cars to do it.

Understood, but now I'm going to point out the aids in GT5.

For example if I use a driving line with SRF, TC 10 and ASM my time will be slowed down. However, the AI is so easy it won't matter. With all these aids it doesn't mater how you set up your controls either.

If you have a line telling you when to turn-in, brake and accelerate than all you have to do is press the respective buttons. And with all of the stability aids you can hammer a LMP1 out of a slow corner an make it out just fine.

If I was to relate this to a different game it would be Dance Dance Revolution (but have the corresponding buttons on a gamepad instead of mat). The arrows tell you what to hit and you just have to hit it at the right time, but you can be less precise in GT5.

Not that hard IMHO (I'm not saying that it is easy for everyone and can understand someone having trouble).

 

[MetalJet]

For example if I use a driving line with SRF, TC 10 and ASM my time will be slowed down. However, the AI is so easy it won't matter. With all these aids it doesn't mater how you set up your controls either.

SRF and racing soft are really the only aids I've ever used, besides ABS = 1.
I'm slowly weening myself off SRF. I can gold the TT's on the first lap now, so I'm making progress. SRF is like a security blanket against spinning out, so I only use it on certain cars until I get them set up properly.

TC = 10 and ASM? I don't think I could beat the easy AI with that setup. I've tried it in the past, for the sake of trying everything the game has to offer, and I must say that it doesn't just slow you down a little. It might as well stop you cold, because you are way too slow in the corners with it! I know you were just using that as an example, so I'll get off my soapbox now.

 

[Jsoccer9]

SRF and racing soft are really the only aids I've ever used, besides ABS = 1.
I'm slowly weening myself off SRF. I can gold the TT's on the first lap now, so I'm making progress. SRF is like a security blanket against spinning out, so I only use it on certain cars until I get them set up properly.

TC = 10 and ASM? I don't think I could beat the easy AI with that setup. I've tried it in the past, for the sake of trying everything the game has to offer, and I must say that it doesn't just slow you down a little. It might as well stop you cold, because you are way too slow in the corners with it! I know you were just using that as an example, so I'll get off my soapbox now.

Exactly using it as an example to show you how much the aids can affect the car. If you can spin a car with all of the aids on maximum you have no business even looking at this game.

 

[MetalJet]

Exactly using it as an example to show you how much the aids can affect the car. If you can spin a car with all of the aids on maximum you have no business even looking at this game.

This made me laugh!

Anyways, too much of a good think is never good. Aids need to be used sparingly... only enough to make the game enjoyable for the person playing it. I use a controller, so weening off of aids is a slow process.

I'm down to this...

TCS = 1
SRF on high powered rear drive cars only.
ABS = 1

I'm faster now than ever before. 👍

 

[Jsoccer9]

This made me laugh!

Anyways, too much of a good think is never good. Aids need to be used sparingly... only enough to make the game enjoyable for the person playing it. I use a controller, so weening off of aids is a slow process.

I'm down to this...

TCS = 1
SRF on high powered rear drive cars only.
ABS = 1

I'm faster now than ever before. 👍

Exact same aids that I use too. However, I do use a DFGT so you get the edge over me.

 

[7945GT57945]

i use No aids & ALWAYS use MT ^O^

 

[chriz00]

@OP; Practice makes perfect. That is all. 👍

 

[tam38gti]

OP, are you certain you're using the 36k RACING soft tyres? Those things stick like poop to a blanket and give you a huge advantage.

 

[PureOwnage]

Im using these tires on my 100+ cars...

 

[Jsoccer9]

Im using these tires on my 100+ cars...

What aids are you using on these a-spec races?

 

[roamer2629]

Im using these tires on my 100+ cars...

Gt is surely not an arcade racer: You must know the track layout before trying to win golds. Early braking always helps, slow in, fast out.
Keep trying and you will enjoy the best racer of them all too

 

[Lustika]

As numerous has sad I agree with the licenses. They are very teaching and some are at first sight impossible. So when you have done them you have done the impossible
Youtube is a good way to learn. You can watch every licensetest there and just try doing it by yourself after that.
But as I wrote before, this is a game and something to do to have some fun and if there is no fun its hard to manage. As long as you are getting better you should enjoy yourself and feel happy
Good luck and keep having fun!!!

 

[JohnBM01]

I am a Gran Turismo veteran of over 10+ years GT experience. I have completed at least 75% of every major Gran Turismo including GT5 as well as Tourist Trophy. I even try to offer my advice through my Gran Turismo blog.

I would stress only two things- patience and strategy. You have lots of time (in most cases) to come from behind and pass all 11 cars to win the race. The one thing I'd start off with is to buy parts to tune up your car. The key, however, is to make sure not to tune your car too much to where it becomes disqualified for entry into a Seasonal. You can't just pile on horsepower upgrades without also trying to modify the other aspects. If anything, upgrades to the drivetrain, transmission, and suspension will NOT affect your Performance Points; so I'd start in those departments in tuning before even tinkering with horsepower. If going with horsepower, don't overload everything to where the car's PP level is too great for the car to be legal for a Seasonal. Restrict the car's power to where you can race a Seasonal. To be safe, make sure the car's PP is about five PP below the maximum PP requirement. Since you're having trouble winning A-Spec Seasonals, I won't even mention challenging yourself to win with less-capable cars.

Next, the racing. It doesn't matter what kind of car you drive- if you can't win with what you brung, you're NEVER going to clear a Seasonal. This is where all of the hard work learning to drive and practicing your craft come into play. Good, fast driving will give you a chance to win and keep pace with the fastest cars. Consistent driving pays off. So if anything, keep mistakes to a minimum. Especially if there is a track you are not good at (like any Nürburgring track for me), you will need to practice racing certain tracks better to where you can confidently win at the given track.

This is absolutely NOT recommended by me, but if you have to- play rough. There's no penalty for crashing into cars, so tell that punk b:censored: what's up by putting a hard hit on the leading car (especially if that car is the leader).


Practice and strategy- make these two elements your focal points if you are to stand any chance of winning a Seasonal. Strategy entails preparing your car, running the race, and figuring out how to climb through the pack. Now go make it happen!

 

[Thetruth28]

I agree, license tests, then work your way up through A-spec, then once you get the hang of it, winning seasonals is not very hard. Just keep playing if you want to get better.

 

[I Love GT6]

Try the X1.

 

[raider77]

I agree, license tests, then work your way up through A-spec, then once you get the hang of it, winning seasonals is not very hard. Just keep playing if you want to get better.

perfect advice

 

[Lustika]

Try the X1.

?

 

[jlbmel]

Try the X1.

Are you serious? Please tell me how you can use the X2010/11 in any of the currently available A-spec seasonal races.

 

[PureOwnage]

Are you serious? Please tell me how you can use the X2010/11 in any of the currently available A-spec seasonal races.

This lol

 

[byegad]

This is absolutely NOT recommended by me, but if you have to- play rough. There's no penalty for crashing into cars, so tell that punk b:censored: what's up by putting a hard hit on the leading car (especially if that car is the leader).

Yes and no.

The Madrid 650pp Challenge is a case in point. There is not a lot of time to get to the front and firm passing, especially of the first few cars you catch pays off big time. This means risking contact and being prepared to get inside a car before the apex of a turn and literally block them from turning in. The AI driver will hit you. You also need to be prepared to put your car alongside another and hold the line you want without flinching.

I find if you haven't got to 10th by the time you hit the second straight in lap 1 you are going to have to work hard to win.
So it goes something like this...
Generally I can pass the first car in the first braking area and get alongside the next (on the inside) before the hairpin. So I'm 10th as I power out of the first turn. Then pass the next car on the run to the next roundabout and again pass the next on the inside as you make the apex for the hard left. The track goes right left and left again and you can slide around the outside of the next car on the last left. You make the next right onto a short straight followed by a fast right into another short straight to yet another roundabout. At this point you catch cars much less predictably but you are half way around lap 1 and already 7th. From then on it's easy enough to progress to second and if you don't waste time should be challenging for the lead before the 5th lap and occasionally before the end of lap 3.

I've won this race with a variety of cars, mostly using RS and all with ABS=1 and Traction=1 and no other aids. Some cars plain cannot win it, but most cars near 650pp will do the job. I've also won it with different tyres but for a driver having problems winning it I'd suggest RS, SRF and traction and ABS to taste and remove aids once you've got the rhythm of winning.

 

[browneyedman]

The guys are right to a certain point, no need to be rude, but being honest is right. I'm 60 years old and if I CAN DO IT so can you. Sometimes in the begining I thought the game was stupid, but now there are a few events and races I don't like (namely time trials) but I really enjoy the game now that I learned to drive better..

 

[Ev0d3vil]

I cant seem to catch up with the 1st and 2nd car in the tokyo special stage route 5 night. Damn, they are always so fast. Using a minolta toyota and traction control off.

 

[sheene76]

I cant seem to catch up with the 1st and 2nd car in the tokyo special stage route 5 night. Damn, they are always so fast. Using a minolta toyota and traction control off.

You need a car that's a bit more controllable I.e. Zonda or BMW...I've always found the Minolta a bit of a handful, especially round this circuit.

 

[byegad]

The guys are right to a certain point, no need to be rude, but being honest is right. I'm 60 years old and if I CAN DO IT so can you. Sometimes in the begining I thought the game was stupid, but now there are a few events and races I don't like (namely time trials) but I really enjoy the game now that I learned to drive better..

I'm the same age and agree it is certainly doable.

 

[MetalJet]

Exact same aids that I use too. However, I do use a DFGT so you get the edge over me.

I would get a wheel, but I don't have a good area to set it up... or let me rephrase that... my wife wouldn't appreciate a steering wheel setup in the living room nearly as much as I would. I don't NEED it to enjoy the game, but I'm sure I'd enjoy it more with a wheel.

I did a lot of practice over the weekend with FR cars without SRF and I'm better, but still too twitchy. When I started practicing a lot without SRF on all the cars, it was only to get better at Time Trials. I didn't want to spend hours on one TT. I can get gold on the first lap with most cars and tracks. I didn't even attempt the X2010 TT though. I despise that car. I can only drive it decent on 3 tracks. The 2 ovals and High Speed Ring, so I just ignore it's existance.