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The second ricer however is probably one of those folks who defends civics as "fast" "racing" cars. When they are not. They are economy cars. Please get that through your heads all you ricers out there. (I'm looking at you Tachi and fascati.)
An economy car is not built to be fast. Economy cars have a couple design goals: 1st Cheap everything 2nd Cheap everything that will last as long as possible 3rd better than the other cheap economy cars... but ONLY just good enough to beat the other economy cars.
The result is a car that gets you from point A to point B wonderfully! All for a cheap price and it runs a long time. This trait does not mean it is a good fast car or racer though!!!
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Here is the problem I have with this thread so far. You think reliability equals a good sports car.
Sports cars are not built to be comfortable. They are not built to be reliable. They are built to be fast. That's why they are small and cramped. Sometimes they don't use ac. And some of their engines are tuned for higher rpms and thus stall at low rpms and barely run at low rpms (air fuel ratio sometimes is the cause).
I prefer more of manageable sports car that is more driveable and able to go regular places personally. But I am saying that sports cars usually aren't the most spacious, aren't fuel efficient, the ride is too stiff to be comfortable, and if you are really pushing the limit of the engine then the engine will NOT be reliable. (see turbo engines. see bored out v8s with thin walls in the engine waiting to blow out
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If you really want to be an enthusiast you need a regular driving car. And then you need your car that you work on. It is not possible to have a really good racing and everyday driving car.[/QUOTE]
I think you should really open your perpective and look around the world and see how 'economy' FF cars like the Civic/Integra are serious competition machines outside of the USA where they tend to be riced up or turbo NOS fed just for drag and stuff.
The real racing Honda FF cars are still NA and are very much like the Spoon cars in GT4.
Listen, I am not some young punk who is fascinated by cars and don't own one. I have driven pretty much almost every type of car in my career and can speak from experience. In fact, I do part time advanced driving instruction and do so with a 'economy' Civic Type R, which I can lap faster on the track than shmucks with their 300bhp Evo and WRX.
ANd just for your information young padawan, most STOCK European and Japanese sports cars can be very efficient and economic too. The factory design parameters are there to ensure reliability as well...please do more homeowork before putting your comments.
As I said ricers are in true fashion RICERS are not racers, they are posers...a true racer can use any car and maximise its potential whether it is a economy model or a 'racing' model (note my use of inverted commas.)
sedans 👍 
In GT2, I had a slammed sedan rolling on some Volk TE37s. It was quick, quick not fast..just quick. 
100hp is about max for the ghia. In the real world of Aircooled VW tuning 200hp and performance equal to a real sports car is fairly common (In addition to the teg I also own a lightly tuned 73 VW beetle that has about 100hp and is a blast to drive). They didn't get the engine sounds of the ACVWs even close (big suprise there LOL, seeing how they butchered the muscle cars), with the dual solex carbs, header, and dynomax muffler it sounds incredible, not ricey at all, more like what you would get with a really short exhaust system, and open intake on a subaru.
