Civic Sadness

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truely good question. Not all cars that sport an 'R' at the end of their name are all of a sudden considered a sports car though eg most of the sedan MG's, (ZT... something) they where a very sloppy ride...

so... Sports car... A car designed for above average performance potential? (this includes cornering and braking performance)
 
~Sp33~
so... Sports car... A car designed for above average performance potential? (this includes cornering and braking performance)
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well there we have it, so can anyone now say that a Honda Civic Type-r is not a sports car, as it slips into all those categories above, thank you Sp33 👍
 
~Sp33~
Thats what im here for :lol:.. *waits for people to start mocking what i say*
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its obviously going to happen, how many Civic or should i say Honda haters are there? i didnt realise some people were so against them!
 
some people are just there to try and boost thier post count by abusing people.. Many people have dont this thus far. not to mention any names.
 
sideslider
so is the reason that only the sedan is in the game because pd new there was a better toyota?

toyota pretty much takes the cake, but out of all the tureno models how come there is no actual 85 tureno. i thought that was the important year with 16 valve ...?
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Um, I think you're a little confused. AE85/86 truenos/levins came out in 1983. the 85 and 86 are model numbers not years. AE85's came out with 1500 SOHC 3A-U engines and AE86's came with 1600 DOHC 4A-GE engines. Both were in production from 1983-87. AE85's are kinda a joke though, they're pretty nana-spec. I remember taking one for a spin once, somewhat unimpressive.
 
Honda Civics get an unfair reputation because of all the tossers out there who insist of tacking half a ton of fibreglass and plastic onto the front, side and rear of their nana-spec Civic then getting a stupid, massive Type-R sticker and sticking it on and a massive exhaust pipe that does little more than rattle loudly because it's not welded on properly. Type-R Civics are good little cars for a small engined FWD.
 
Mad Murphy NZ
Honda Civics get an unfair reputation because of all the tossers out there who insist of tacking half a ton of fibreglass and plastic onto the front, side and rear of their nana-spec Civic then getting a stupid, massive Type-R sticker and sticking it on and a massive exhaust pipe that does little more than rattle loudly because it's not welded on properly. Type-R Civics are good little cars for a small engined FWD.
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i agree with the first part - BUT it isnt just honda civic owners who do that why do people always associate people who put bodykits and back-boxes to all have honda civics!

And here we go again digging at FWD cars again
Mad Murphy NZ
Type-R Civics are good little cars for a small engined FWD.
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how is a 2litre such a small engine? it aint that bad, and as for its performance??? :indiff:
 
Mad Murphy NZ
Um, I think you're a little confused. AE85/86 truenos/levins came out in 1983. the 85 and 86 are model numbers not years. AE85's came out with 1500 SOHC 3A-U engines and AE86's came with 1600 DOHC 4A-GE engines. Both were in production from 1983-87. AE85's are kinda a joke though, they're pretty nana-spec. I remember taking one for a spin once, somewhat unimpressive.
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Thanks for clear that out.
 
Mad Murphy NZ
Um, I think you're a little confused. AE85/86 truenos/levins came out in 1983. the 85 and 86 are model numbers not years. AE85's came out with 1500 SOHC 3A-U engines and AE86's came with 1600 DOHC 4A-GE engines. Both were in production from 1983-87. AE85's are kinda a joke though, they're pretty nana-spec. I remember taking one for a spin once, somewhat unimpressive.
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ok that makes sense. but this honda topic has promted me to do more some research i normally wouldn't have. I have found a couple of hondas id buy.

as far as hondas being a sports car im not sure, i guess it's a matter of opinion. i guess the insurance company says one thing. too me it's just hard to put sports car and four cylinder into the same sentence. but i guess most cars have a sports model.
 
~Sp33~
some people are just there to try and boost thier post count by abusing people.. Many people have dont this thus far. not to mention any names.
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pfft i dont care about post count, but nt ricer. :dunce:

my definition of a sports car: anything that does 0-60 in 6secs of less, rwd, above .85 on skidpad. but there are many exceptionals.
 
barryl85
how is a 2litre such a small engine? it aint that bad, and as for its performance??? :indiff:
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Um, vtec civics are 1600's. Maybe they've changed the new ones but I really don't care. Vtec hondas are pretty quick, my mate and I were racing one in his S14 a while ago (the honda was an Integra I think). We were even up till' about 120 then it just blitzed us, mind you, I was paying more attention to the GTR Skyline racing the Serria (presumably a cosworth) on the other side of the road :crazy:. Wow, that was a show!
 
One of the big assumptions is that if someone owns a Honda, the first thing someone's going to think is a Honda Civic or something. After that, someone's probably going to ask about what bodykit they have, like Bomex, Veilside, or whatever. I've always thought the Civic was designed as a peppy and effective people-mover. I'll even use the term "grocery getter." But for all I know, the Civic was designed to perform. Maybe not performance in terms of "Viper killer," but a car you can kind of balance day-to-day usage with racing. I know traditional American culture is like that. If you have a practical car that makes a good weekend racer, you take your ass the track and haul some ass. When it comes to racing, I guess drag racing is more accessible in America than your average road racing circuit.

The way I'd define sports car is a designation given to a car purely geared towards high-performance characteristics while not sacrificing the practicality of day-to-day driving. A Camaro is a sports car. A Corvette is a sports car. A Mustang is a sports car. Even a Toyota MR-S is a sports car. I've always thought the Civic was more of a high-performer. But I wouldn't put a Civic in the same class as say, a Porsche Boxster, a Toyota Supra, or even a Skyline. I wouldn't discount the Civic because it is a performer even if it's just a dull people-mover and grocery getter to most people. The expression "don't judge a book by its cover" would surely apply to this car.

Regardless, I think any Honda fan should be impressed with the Civic lineup. Tune it right, mod it up, and if your heart desires, create stunning upsets in racing.
 
Mad Murphy NZ
Um, vtec civics are 1600's. Maybe they've changed the new ones but I really don't care. Vtec hondas are pretty quick, my mate and I were racing one in his S14 a while ago (the honda was an Integra I think). We were even up till' about 120 then it just blitzed us, mind you, I was paying more attention to the GTR Skyline racing the Serria (presumably a cosworth) on the other side of the road :crazy:. Wow, that was a show!
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vtecs are alot of sizes not just 1600's and the integra type r is a 1.8litre vtec, ep civic type r is 2litre, you can get a 2.2litre vtec even a 1500 vtec, the next civic type r will have a 2.4 litre vtec with 240 bhp!,

i love cossies 2, oh yeah integra's are mighty quick!
 
Yes I know, I'm not a dolt :). I didn't know civics ever came with 2 litre vtecs though, Hondas aren't really my area of interest but I will give credit where credit is due.
 
svtsnake
pfft i dont care about post count, but nt ricer. :dunce:

my definition of a sports car: anything that does 0-60 in 6secs of less, rwd, above .85 on skidpad. but there are many exceptionals.
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I was talking about you, so shut your face. People that have been around these forums would have notice the argument i managed to get muhself into with a number of other people. They decided that my posts were unreadable due to my terrible spelling. But i wont go there, coz its all in the past.
 
Steelo
if NISMO is short for Nissan Motorsport, then Honda Motorsport would be....
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Mugen and Spoon cant remember anymore, honda does there own tuning as well no need for other companies advice or parts!

Just because it doesnt abbreviate Honda in the name as 'Nis'mo does for nissan doesnt mean anything, just like Ralli///Art for Mitsubishi etc....
 
sideslider
too me it's just hard to put sports car and four cylinder into the same sentence. but i guess most cars have a sports model.
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dont know alot of people who would agree with that in the slightest!!!! IMO that is by far the worst statement i have seen on these forums!

anyone else agree with me?
 
It's not so hard to put '4-cylinder' and 'sports car' in the same sentence, but it is a little hard to put 'FWD' and 'sports car' into the same sentence.

Sorry, guys, but the garden-variety Civic is never going to be a sports car. The almighty Type-R barely falls into the category, despite its power and handling, which are great for a FWD car and good by any standard. It works hard to overcome the inherent shortcomings, and mostly succeeds even, but there are still FWD issues in it.

Even a Neon SRT, with loads of power and decent handling, is never going to be a sports car.

90% of the people have no problem with Civics - we just have a problem with the 10% who insist that the Civic is anything more than a decent FWD car that can be tuned up to be a really good FWD car. They are nice cars, but they are not the giant slayers that some fanboys would have us believe. Horsepower and weight being equal, it's just never going to top the dynamics of a comparable RWD car.

There's a reason why FWD cars get a reduced-weight bonus in the real life Speed World Challenge series.
 
Duke
It's not so hard to put '4-cylinder' and 'sports car' in the same sentence, but it is a little hard to put 'FWD' and 'sports car' into the same sentence.

Sorry, guys, but the garden-variety Civic is never going to be a sports car. The almighty Type-R barely falls into the category, despite its power and handling, which are great for a FWD car and good by any standard. It works hard to overcome the inherent shortcomings, and mostly succeeds even, but there are still FWD issues in it.

Even a Neon SRT, with loads of power and decent handling, is never going to be a sports car.

90% of the people have no problem with Civics - we just have a problem with the 10% who insist that the Civic is anything more than a decent FWD car that can be tuned up to be a really good FWD car. They are nice cars, but they are not the giant slayers that some fanboys would have us believe. Horsepower and weight being equal, it's just never going to top the dynamics of a comparable RWD car.

There's a reason why FWD cars get a reduced-weight bonus in the real life Speed World Challenge series.
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This is ones preference - Not Fact!

Garden Variety???

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barryl85
This is ones preference - Not Fact!
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I'd say this makes it a fact:
Duke
There's a reason why FWD cars get a reduced-weight bonus in the real life Speed World Challenge series.
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If you read the rules, in particular Appendix A, you will see that the RWD cars pretty much have heavier base weights and also get engine restrictions in order to make the FWD cars more competitive.
 
hmm a little off topic but i just read a fourm where a guy s doing a s2000 engine swap into a corolla gt. I'll put up a link if any one is intrested..

but as far as sports cars go wouldn't the s2000 be close to that label?
 
Sure. The S2000 is pure sports car. But who's talking about S2000s? We're discussing Civics.
 
Duke
I'd say this makes it a fact:

If you read the rules, in particular Appendix A, you will see that the RWD cars pretty much have heavier base weights and also get engine restrictions in order to make the FWD cars more competitive.
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Does not make it fact at all! still your opinion probably shared with more FWD haters,

ok wonder how long it will be before someone has something to say about this car

http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/mostwanted/2001/60922/article.html

FWD Sports car

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I thank you

Barry
 

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