Clean driving rewarded

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The difference in SR S is that people know the ins and outs of the penalty system and will use it to their advantage.
In SR B and lower most incidents are mere driving mistakes from people who miss breaking points, choose an unorthodox line, in short have little practice. It’s easier to avoid the latter!
 
So what is your real SR rating if you are racing at full race pace?

Im a SR B and have the odd race where I get hit, mostly by people who miss braking points, Don't understand racing position and trying to pass is unconventional positions. I cannot complain about this as I occasional miss my braking points as well.

The system is setup so that you are racing with people who are the same level as you, by gaming the system you are only putting yourself with people who race cleaner than you and you are the one that is likely to be causing the angst for the others.

Why not race at your current level and focus on becoming cleaner at full race pace, rather than slowing down and inflating your rank without being able to do it consistently when at full speed.
 
I've been thinking a lot on how the current system can be improved. Reward for driving clean sectors is too easily gamed, either by suppressing your DR level and consistently starting at the top having nothing to worry about, or by not qualifying and following the pack from behind.

The first obvious solution is to only award SR up for a clean no contact pass. Any touch, no point. You can still rub while racing, but you wont get rewarded for it (nor penalized if it's gentle enough)

Ofcourse this can also be abused by starting last to pass the stragglers. Therefore SR up should only be awarded for passing someone around your level, same as DR points are awarded.

That still means you can lower your DR to inflate SR by starting from the back of the pack. However once you are back around your level it will become very hard to keep your SR level if you don't know how to make clean passes in a real race situation. Certainly a lot harder then simply hang back for a race to get back to S.

However with the broken penalty system that might only be more frustrating. Getting nudged off the track deliberately happens often enough to be a problem and is not penalized. The person ending besides the track often is penalized when they're send into a shortcut or hit another car on the way.


I don't have the answer. I try to race clean at full race pace. That often means holding back and not starting an unsafe pass. However most of the time that encourages the person behind me to do just that, place his car where it can't go anywhere but to run into me. So I hold back a bit more, let him go first to avoid an accident. Then watch him bump into the person in front of me, send that person off track, so I have to brake more when that person swerves back into the road. It's a lose lose situation until the game puts up an effort to teach people how to pass.

So my DR yoyos a lot. It slowly sinks back until I get to start in the top 5 again and do some real trading places with people, to advance back to placing 7th to 10th where I have the choice of racing clean or keep my DR rating. For me racing clean comes first so I'm taking my peace conceding places to over eager drivers that end up with red marks at the end of the race. Or pass them later spun out beside the track.

Best achievement today, placing 10th, starting in 9th, gained a few places, conceded more, only blue SR rating at the finish from 5th place to 16th, rest all red. Ofcourse my DR still went down.
 
So what is your real SR rating if you are racing at full race pace?

Im a SR B and have the odd race where I get hit, mostly by people who miss braking points, Don't understand racing position and trying to pass is unconventional positions. I cannot complain about this as I occasional miss my braking points as well.

The system is setup so that you are racing with people who are the same level as you, by gaming the system you are only putting yourself with people who race cleaner than you and you are the one that is likely to be causing the angst for the others.

Why not race at your current level and focus on becoming cleaner at full race pace, rather than slowing down and inflating your rank without being able to do it consistently when at full speed.
I've read this twice and it still doesn't make a lick of sense. Driving without hitting people is not "gaming the system".
 
So what is your real SR rating if you are racing at full race pace?

Im a SR B and have the odd race where I get hit, mostly by people who miss braking points, Don't understand racing position and trying to pass is unconventional positions. I cannot complain about this as I occasional miss my braking points as well.

The system is setup so that you are racing with people who are the same level as you, by gaming the system you are only putting yourself with people who race cleaner than you and you are the one that is likely to be causing the angst for the others.

Why not race at your current level and focus on becoming cleaner at full race pace, rather than slowing down and inflating your rank without being able to do it consistently when at full speed.
This is pretty much nonsense. If you game the system by being clean, so you can have clean races then you're not going to cause issues.
If you game the system to then be a problem, then you'll cause issues.
 
At SR S people drive you of the road by slowly steering in to you until there is no more room for me to drive on the road
or using you as a wall slowly driving you of the track, they are smart indeed
 
The difference in SR S is that people know the ins and outs of the penalty system and will use it to their advantage.
At SR S people drive you of the road by slowly steering in to you until there is no more room for me to drive on the road
or using you as a wall slowly driving you of the track, they are smart indeed

I've had 58 races at SRS... the above posts are nonsense.
 
I've had 58 races at SRS... the above posts are nonsense.
Don't you (from other conversations I've read) usually race from the front in the vast majority of your online races though? Mid pack SRS races can still be a mess and you have drivers who will push you off willingly
 
Granted, I’m only B/S, but have had 100+ races at SR S, mostly middle of the packs. I wish it was nonsense.
That said, I only gave my observation, not judging the system. No need to defend the game so vehemently.
I don’t get worked up over isolated incidents, nor do I care about my SR too much. I think it works in the bigger picture, but like every automated system is prone to abuse.
 
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Don't you (from other conversations I've read) usually race from the front in the vast majority of your online races though? Mid pack SRS races can still be a mess and you have drivers who will push you off willingly

I'm normally in the top 6 during a race and have ZERO issues with contact, but I've had some races where I've been 'mid pack' or even at the back after making a mistake... and here I've had few issues. But I treat everyone on the track with respect - I don't try to force suicidal passes even when I know I'm 2s a lap faster than the person in front for example, and I find other drivers treat me with respect for the most part too.

Saying SRS divers know how to 'game' the penalty system is daft.
 
I'm normally in the top 6 during a race and have ZERO issues with contact, but I've had some races where I've been 'mid pack' or even at the back after making a mistake... and here I've had few issues. But I treat everyone on the track with respect - I don't try to force suicidal passes even when I know I'm 2s a lap faster than the person in front for example, and I find other drivers treat me with respect for the most part too.

Saying SRS divers know how to 'game' the penalty system is daft.

I've had a few incidents that you wouldn't have with an SRA or B rated driver. Being pushed at certain points of a corner, or being knocked slightly so you cut a corner and get a penalty... not sure you could ever categorically prove that these guys where gaming it, but it is something I've noticed with SRS chaps.

From my own experience, SRS is a lot better generally but there at least appears to be more intent behind contact than in lower SR divisions
 
I'm normally in the top 6 during a race and have ZERO issues with contact, but I've had some races where I've been 'mid pack' or even at the back after making a mistake... and here I've had few issues. But I treat everyone on the track with respect - I don't try to force suicidal passes even when I know I'm 2s a lap faster than the person in front for example, and I find other drivers treat me with respect for the most part too.

Saying SRS divers know how to 'game' the penalty system is daft.
I was on pole in a race yesterday and the first corner I got hit from behind and the race over, so who you get out on the track is luck and it does not matter where you start the race.
 
I've had a few incidents that you wouldn't have with an SRA or B rated driver. Being pushed at certain points of a corner, or being knocked slightly so you cut a corner and get a penalty... not sure you could ever categorically prove that these guys where gaming it, but it is something I've noticed with SRS chaps.

From my own experience, SRS is a lot better generally but there at least appears to be more intent behind contact than in lower SR divisions

And how do you know it was a deliberate move, rather than a simple driving error?

What DR rating you in will have an influence too... if you're racing with DRA/S level drivers their car control should be (relatively) good, so you shouldn't get regular major contact as they will make fewer mistakes (and the mistakes they do make will be less serious than lesser skilled drivers).
 
And how do you know it was a deliberate move, rather than a simple driving error?

What DR rating you in will have an influence too... if you're racing with DRA/S level drivers their car control should be (relatively) good, so you shouldn't get regular major contact as they will make fewer mistakes (and the mistakes they do make will be less serious than lesser skilled drivers).
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I know for a fact one way or the other, it's just how it appears.

For example you can go side by side into a corner or two together no problem, then soon as it gets to a tighter corner you'll only get touched at the moment when you'll get a corner cutting penalty and it would be in a single clean move.
However in the lower SR's it would just be a bit of a mess with contact all over the place.
 
then soon as it gets to a tighter corner you'll only get touched at the moment when you'll get a corner cutting penalty and it would be in a single clean move.

:lol:

Do you seriously think people are good enough to judge close contact to the exact level needed to do this?

Maybe the very highest levels of Alien, but most people can barely keep their cars on track for a whole lap, never mind execute precision corner taps.
 
:lol:

Do you seriously think people are good enough to judge close contact to the exact level needed to do this?

Maybe the very highest levels of Alien, but most people can barely keep their cars on track for a whole lap, never mind execute precision corner taps.

Like I said it was an example, that I've seen happen a fair bit and have had happen to me... it's not actually hard to do at the Nurburgring for example... or another easy example of this is over taking up the inside and the guy on the outside just pushing you onto the kerb..
As opposed to, I forgot the braking zones and being rammed or I didn't see you coming up my inside.. which you get a lot off in the lower SR divisions.


Like I said, you can laugh all you like, this has just been some of my experience of racing and watching some of the footage people have uploaded. I'm happy that you've had a good time and I'm more than aware the faster you are and the higher your DR rating, the cleaner the racing will be. But as is with all online multiplayer stuff, results my vary ;)
 
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I've had 58 races at SRS... the above posts are nonsense.

There are not, it's not everybody at S that does this, not even most people but some do. Especially if you compete in the Megane races (I know you don't), they are quite bad, I guess the one makes will be similar.

I could easily gain players by bumping to pass too, I've bumped a few people accidently recently (especially one guy with a yellow bar connection who was all over the place) and never got a penalty for any of them and the rest of my race is clean enough to keep a blue S. I just chose not to gain places by doing this, unless the person got in front of me by pushing me off, if I accidently hit them I may not let them back past.

I've also been deliberately wrecked by a top ten player in two consecutive races, he ruined his own races too. There are a few rogues out there.
 
I never understand why so many people try to game the system. I never gamed the system and I am sitting at SRS and DR C/D (I bounce between the two). Honestly this is exactly where I should be, I am a very clean racer (for the most part, mistakes happen) but I only play for maybe an hour a day if I am lucky, so the skill and speed isn't there. Most of my races are battles mid pack and are a blast.
 
There are not, it's not everybody at S that does this, not even most people but some do. Especially if you compete in the Megane races (I know you don't), they are quite bad, I guess the one makes will be similar.

I could easily gain players by bumping to pass too, I've bumped a few people accidently recently (especially one guy with a yellow bar connection who was all over the place) and never got a penalty for any of them and the rest of my race is clean enough to keep a blue S. I just chose not to gain places by doing this, unless the person got in front of me by pushing me off, if I accidently hit them I may not let them back past.

I've also been deliberately wrecked by a top ten player in two consecutive races, he ruined his own races too. There are a few rogues out there.

I wasn't saying everyone at SRS is clean... only replying to the a couple of comments that said once drivers get to SRS, they know how to punt just enough to knock you off, without incurring penalties themselves.

Which I believe is nonsense.
 
I wasn't saying everyone at SRS is clean... only replying to the a couple of comments that said once drivers get to SRS, they know how to punt just enough to knock you off, without incurring penalties themselves.

Which I believe is nonsense.

Yes I get what you are saying, their comments imply that it's widespread when it isn't but I do think it is possible people could act the way those guy describe and get away with it, even if I've only seen an odd person do what they say.
 
Yes I get what you are saying, their comments imply that it's widespread when it isn't but I do think it is possible people could act the way those guy describe and get away with it, even if I've only seen an odd person do what they say.

It is possible, but you'd have to be pretty skilled to deliberately do it just enough to push the other guy wide and not get a penalty yourself.... not talking about squeezing people on the outside (on a corner exit), but deliberately tapping the rear of another car causing them to 'short-cut' a corner and pick up a penalty.
 
It is possible, but you'd have to be pretty skilled to deliberately do it just enough to push the other guy wide and not get a penalty yourself.... not talking about squeezing people on the outside (on a corner exit), but deliberately tapping the rear of another car causing them to 'short-cut' a corner and pick up a penalty.

Yes another driver causing you to get a penalty is a bit much, there are only a couple of corners where I could see this working. Although one guy did do it to me at Interlagos, he pushed the back of my car on turn in so I cut the corner, I'm not sure he did it on purpose and he lost time anyway because of it.
 
And how do you know it was a deliberate move, rather than a simple driving error?

What DR rating you in will have an influence too... if you're racing with DRA/S level drivers their car control should be (relatively) good, so you shouldn't get regular major contact as they will make fewer mistakes (and the mistakes they do make will be less serious than lesser skilled drivers).

This is spot on.
Getting into SR S is relatively easy, but once you are there - it's really easy to get a red letter at the end of a race, 3 -SR ticks in a 4 lap sprint race are enough to give you a red letter, 2 -SR ticks (sometimes 1) is enough for a white letter.
At lower DR's, it's really easy to have simple accidents that don't even cause a wreck because the driver skill/car control isn't there.

Hell, even yesterday when I was racing Maggiorre, I tried to race my Corvette against all the Megane's and I was finding myself behind lower DR drivers. They would take sections of track so much slower than I was used to (braking much sooner than necessary) that I found myself struggling to avoid hitting them, even simple things like braking into the banked hairpin they would brake about half a second earlier than necessary. These were DR B/SR S drivers whereas I'm DR A/SR S.
 
I've read this twice and it still doesn't make a lick of sense. Driving without hitting people is not "gaming the system".

Yes it is. Driving at the back in an empty racetrack is not achieving anything. They drive round at the back of the pack, get their SR:S then start trying properly against other SR:S players, in amongst packs of cars without knowing how to behave (because your S rating has come from trundling round at the back of the pack) and all of a sudden THEY are the problem.

I mentioned this in the daily race thread. It is gaming the system, and it is a problem IMO.
 
Yes it is. Driving at the back in an empty racetrack is not achieving anything. They drive round at the back of the pack, get their SR:S then start trying properly against other SR:S players, in amongst packs of cars without knowing how to behave (because your S rating has come from trundling round at the back of the pack) and all of a sudden THEY are the problem.

I mentioned this in the daily race thread. It is gaming the system, and it is a problem IMO.

I agree with what you're saying. But the OP said nothing about driving around the back of the pack to increase his SR rating. He simply said he was focusing on racing cleaner. I've never raced him, so I can't say he's doing that or not. But we can't just assume this is the case. Which is what cfft555 did immediately.
 
Granted, I’m only B/S, but have had 100+ races at SR S, mostly middle of the packs. I wish it was nonsense.

I have 200 races in sport mode, all at SR S.
Under the old DR ranking system I was a high D up to a mid level C.
Under the new DR ranking system I am a low to mid B DR
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I do not find it uncommon at all to be gridded from 8th to 16th position on the grid. I still have many more overall good races than overall bad races. It many times depends on luck of the draw with who the other racers are in the lobby not your grid position.

Another thing I have learned is you have to understand depending on the strength of the competition that some races advancing positions will be few and far between and you have to be happy running at your best pace and let the finishing position fall where it falls.

How you react to an incident regardless of whether it is accidental or intentional can also affect the overall positive or negative experience you take away from the race as a whole.


The system is setup so that you are racing with people who are the same level as you, by gaming the system you are only putting yourself with people who race cleaner than you and you are the one that is likely to be causing the angst for the others.

Why not race at your current level and focus on becoming cleaner at full race pace, rather than slowing down and inflating your rank without being able to do it consistently when at full speed.
I am going to go out on a limb here and interpret that the message to mean to be able to race at the pace of the race lobby and maintain control at the pace while not having clear optimal racing lines available and being mixed in with other cars allowing a racer to better be able to avoid unintended contact.

I think one of the biggest mistakes the game makes is by putting to much emphasis on a single hot lapping style of qualifying for both lobby matching and grid placement.

One observation I have made repeatably is the number of racers that are placed in a race and it is so obvious that they cannot maintain over more than the occasional perfect lap the pace required to even remain on course during the race much less race in a controlled manner within a pack of cars.

I usually try to turn in a qualifying time that's pace closely resembles the best laps to where I can turn consistently lap after lap. That way when I am placed in a race I feel confident that I can run the overall pace that will be within that races level.



At SR S people drive you of the road by slowly steering in to you until there is no more room for me to drive on the road
or using you as a wall slowly driving you of the track, they are smart indeed

Some racers just race where that seems to be their style of racing and all ranks will learn what the game will allow them to possibly get away with. Contact needs unfortunately to penalize both the aggressor and victim to eliminate the behavior described.
Same with drivers cutting corners early in a race to game a time advantage over their opponents, they know on some circuits they can scrub off the penalty over race distance without even slowing down.
Why I think all penalties should be assessed post race period.
 
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