Clueless, over The Hill Outlaws - OP Updated 06/10/14

Discussion in 'GT6 Tuning' started by CyKosis1973, Dec 6, 2013.

  1. XDesperado67

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    @Ronald6 glad you enjoyed the AE86.:tup::tup:

    While much better than in GT5 PD has still hampered the classics performance with lesser tire grip.

    Because I've been watching Initial D again I decided to tune a Sileighty '98.
    Apparently those 15 years were very good for tire technology since at the same 450PP as the Trueno the car is nearly 4 seconds a lap faster around Bathurst with pretty much all of that gained in the corners.:odd:

    Will post tune for the Sileighty either later today or tomorrow. :cheers:
     
  2. Onboy123

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    SilEighty you say? So another S13...I'm looking forward to it, see if I can use any of your settings in the 5th update for the 180SX. :p

    In other news...just me or is anyone else already semi-done with GT6?
     
  3. Ronald6

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    Not even close. I wish there were more hours in the day to play.
     
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    Ah, just me then, I see. :lol: Anyway, uh...why do I feel like I'm being left out in your testing? What am I doing wrong?! Argghhhhhhfjdkdkdkdkkelksl *pop*

    :lol: but yea, my corner of the garage is a bit lonely. Will add more later, and probably finally do all the cars I've been saying I'll tune.
     
  5. Ronald6

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    I thought I saw you driving an RX7 on the Hill, the RX-7 GT-X (FC) '90. I've been trying to tune it and stopped as I waited on yours. But I think it was "Rot" instead. I'll try it out.
     
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  7. Onboy123

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    Oh that thing? That wasn't a tune, that was an undrivable mess. :lol: I'll probably go back to it, see what I can do to get it drive nice.
     
  8. danbojte

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    Hi Ron!

    I just wonder, why did you opted for the 600PP version to try, especially if you're not used with this level (I'm not a fan neither)? :odd:
    Sam has offered lower versions too, for this car. :idea: :tup:
     
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  9. Ronald6

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    Two words: Power limiter.
     
  10. Onboy123

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    Well, surprise surprise, I played around with the (FC) RX7 and it turned out pretty good. Somehow manages to be off the 180SX by a slight margin, but if you want lap times, you're looking at the wrong car anyway. Will get it posted soon.
     
  11. Woodski_427

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    I just built to 450pp without NOS. My rear spring rate only went to 4.75, and I couldn't quite get your gear ratios, maybe due to the NOS.

    Tried a quick run at Trial Mountain: great fun as you would expect. Although quite sharp, with its low weight and 4wd you can really throw it about and carry speed through the corners. It is very firm though and likes to turn over at the merest hint of a curb:lol:.

    But not this time...
    Suzuki_Alto_nicu_TrialMountain_1.jpg

    As with most of the small engine cars, there's no point waiting to hit the rev limit before shifting. Change early because even though it revs to 9.5k or so the power drops off very sharply before. Without the NOS, maybe slightly different gearing would be better.

    A really good, fun Kei tune :tup:

    Edit: and the tune works on the RS-Z (yes I bought the wrong car), but the rear spring and gear ratios are slightly different.
     
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  12. Niku Driver HC

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    I was wondering when you'd write your review on it, I thought you perished during testing... :lol:

    The spring ratio issues seem odd. :boggled: I'll do a double take and see if I wrote something wrong. If not, that means PD's black mages have been messing around with cars again. As for the engine, yeah, the NOS was more or less a crutch, used to compensate the early bird behaviour of the gearbox. And also because it fits the crazy character of the car... :crazy: And yes, since the car weighs about the same as a box of paper samples, the curbs are better off alone, with no wheels on them. :sly:

    Anywho, thanks for the kind words, much appreciated, good to know that people enjoy this insane whip.
     
  13. Woodski_427

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    I do enjoy lightweights as they can be great fun and, yes, I've rolled my fair share of Kei cars over the GT years :lol:, but I managed a nice end-over-end in this one. I might try the NOS at some point, I didn't want to blow the extra 100k yet :dopey:.

    I'll check the spring setup again to make sure I wasn't being stupid or anything - I was trying to cram lots of stuff into a session last night so was rushing a bit.
     
  14. NEWDRIVER2

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    Why people look at the power limiter before just try the car ?! and after that give feed back . One thing to say this car in my hand online 500 , 550 and 600PP all the three tunes faster than any thing you drive it before Ron , but it's okay maybe my driving style is deferent .
    Thank you for your review :tup: and I hope you try the two slow version with power limiter just try it online and don't give review , I know that some people here saw it how its fast and competitive even its power limiter on any tracks .
    Thank you again Ron :tup:

    Edit :
    This car build for online racing mode and it's not that under steer much like offline so please Ron go drive it online . Thank you my friend :tup:
    ND
     
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    Mazda Savanna III (FC) RX7 '90

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    Source and Parts list:
    Buy from: Dealership
    Oil Change: No
    Chassis reinforcement: Yes

    Paintjob: Carbon Grey
    Wheels: Enkei RP03 TypeRC in GT6_Metallic_022

    aero : Custom Wing Type B

    Weight Reduction: Stage 3
    Window Weight Reduction: Yes
    Carbon Hood: Yes

    Engine Tuning: No
    ECU Tuning: Yes

    Exhaust: Sports
    Exhaust Manifold: yes
    Catalytic Converter: Yes

    Intake Manifold: No

    Turbo: No

    Transmission: Yes
    Clutch: Triple plate
    Carbon Drive Shaft: Yes
    LSD: yes

    Suspension: FC

    Tires: SH

    The Tune
    Ballast weight : ---
    Power Limiter : 98.4%
    Areo: 0/20

    Transmission
    Top Speed: 112, Final Gear: 2.500
    1st: 3.885
    2nd: 2.979
    3rd: 2.390
    4th: 1.927
    5th: 1.575
    6th: 1.343

    Approximate Top Speed: ---mph
    LSD
    Initial: 12
    Acceleration: 15
    Braking: 10

    Suspension
    Ride height: 95/95
    Spring rate: 5.20/5.60
    Dampers (Compression): 3/3
    Dampers (Extension): 6/7
    Anti-roll bars: 5/5
    camber: 0.0/0.0
    Toe angle: -0.15/0.10
    Brake balance: 5/5

    ABS: 1
    Everything else: OFF
    tuned with a DS3

    The car has 450 PP, weighs 1030Kg with a 54/46 front/rear weight
    distribution, has a power to weight ratio of 4.07 kg/hp, has 253 HP
    @---- rpm and produces 232 ft-lb torque @---- rpm

    Notes:
     
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  16. danbojte

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    The car is Mazda SAVANNA RX-7 INFINI III (FC) '90.
     
  17. Onboy123

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    ^ That. :lol: I messed it up. :lol:

    Edit: Fixed.
     
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  18. Woodski_427

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    Mystery solved (probably) I've got the RS-Z :dunce: Told you I was rushing a bit. Good news is though that your set up works. :dopey:
     
  19. DaDog

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    I can only warn people walls of tekst incoming , still got about +- 2hours of writing ahead of me :p ... you will see it soon enough
     
  20. Niku Driver HC

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    Damm you young whippersnappers rushing in and buying the first thing in sight before reading the specs... :lol: Well, mystery solved, at least the setup is right, as you've said. :cheers: :tup:
     
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    500pp TommyKaira ZZII by Newdriver


    Tommy Kaira ZZII 500pp

    Part 1 of Newdrivers TommyKaira ZZII Trilogy . The 500PP Sport Hards build .
    When TommyKaira unveiled there TommkyKaira M19 back in 1987 they had set their mark .
    Yet in 1988 they decided to exclusively work on cars made in Japan .
    Tommykaira has consistently rebranded the cars as if they were completely manufactured
    by the company itself yet Tommykaira has arisen some controversy directly related to the
    status of the company as a car manufacturer .
    One could say the company is more of a aftermaket tuning specialist then a manufactor .
    Wich includes a important mindset of this car , wether or not it is allowed in Streetcar only lobbies .
    We all allow the Ruf's to be there but are we as lenient towards the TommyKaira models ?
    Offcourse this this is up to the roomhost and is a discussion that should be kepth in mind when
    building this car . Yet not a discussion that should be part of this review .

    First impressions are everything and will stick on you as glue :odd: , and so it did when building this car .
    I raced against the tuner in this car at 500pp and was very impressed with the way he handled it .
    Yet it was stunnend by the overall speed it achieved .
    The swiftness it had trough corners would let someone to believe it wasn't a 500pp car at all .
    So when I begun to build this car I was filled with high hopes and goals . But it wasn't all positive I must admit :(.
    One thing that kepth annoying me , not only during the building of the car but also during every mile / kilometre I
    was driving , it was the extremely heavy limiting of the engine .
    I will have to be fair and respond to that myself that you didn't notice it while driving .
    Still it was something that stuck by me every lap , corner and straight ...
    It was something I just could not let rest .
    But that said the driving itself was intresting and fast . It is defenatly a car build with winning races in mind .
    And it can , as soon as you get behind the wheel of this car you will be a podium contender . No matter what the compitition is driving .
    One thing is very important tho , planning ahead . While the car has vastly supreme acceleration and incredible high speed cornering abilaties .
    It doesn't like to be tossed around the track nor does it really like to stray away from it's chosen line .
    When you wan't to drive this car like a 4wd hooligan you will find you'reself besides the track more then on the track .
    Slow in fast out is the key to driving this car to succes .
    One thing that did annoy me is not matter how hard I tried I could not get the rear tires up to a comfortable temerature .
    This making the car unpredictable at certain times , still it was easy to regain full controle but onloy after loosing time .
    And offcourse let not forget that this car has adjustable downforce , currently not calculated in the PP system .
    This alone will give a huge benefit towards a lot of other cars .
    Still With so many positive points there are some negative as well .
    Some people might enjoy the fact that they are driving a car wich has a clear advantage , yet I could not find the fun in it .
    When using the car it almost felt like cheating . Well maybe not "almost" it just felt like I was cheating .
    This car is just way to powerfull for a 500pp lobby .


    Nordschleife laptime :

    07.28.471

    Positive points :

    The 3 in 1 tuning deal for this car makes it very intresting .
    Amazing cornering speed
    Superb acceleration
    At 60.000 credits a very cheap car
    Very light and agile car

    Negative points :

    Use of heavy engine limiting
    It's a standard car , and in my personal opinion not a very nice one
    If felt like cheating when I used this car online
    Endconclusion
    After 10 laps on the ring I can only conclude that then overall conclusion of this car is that it is a very intresting car to have .
    Specially when you keep in mind that you will get this car for only 60.000 credits + tuning costs .
    Wich can be used in 3 different classes ... 500-550-600pp . This is defenatly a true bargain .


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    Please do note that i consider myself a average driver at best so these laptimes are just an indication of what the average joe should be able to achieve with this car .
    Even those these tunes we're build with the use of a DS3 controler or steeringwheel yet i used my DFGT .
    All aids are turned off , just ABS is at 1
    Also everything in the lobby is set to realistic , and all testing is beeing done in an online lobby .
     
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    550pp TommyKaira ZZII by Newdriver

    Tommy Kaira ZZII 550pp
    Part II of Newdrivers TommyKaira ZZII triology ....
    The birth of a 550pp monster on sports medium ....
    I really should have started with another titel seeing the titel alone give away to much of my review ...
    Not a very smart thing to do , but at least I got you're attention now .
    This review will be shorter simply due to the fact that my concerns about online use remain the same for this car at 550pp .
    In case you missed the 500pp review you can find it HERE .
    When I started the build i was happy to see the Powerlimiter was at a more acceptable setting of 84% .
    Still a little lower then I personally like but not a setting that will keep annoying me for hours on end .
    Now when we look at the tuning sheet the car should feel and handle the same seeing the tune is 95% the same for 500 and 550 PP .
    Yet when taking this car to the ring it feels like you are driving a completely different car .
    It is very difficult to explain and even more difficult to comprihend .
    The overall handling improved .
    Now i don't know that because of the increased power and speed that goes with it ,
    it might be due to the fact that the downforce on the car is becoming more active .
    That is a question for the people who know more about the game then I do .
    The car feels so much sharper yet smoother . Its like driving a completely different car .
    When this car broke the 7 minute ( with me driving :p ) .
    I can only suggest keep working on the tune seeing I do feel that it can still be improved , just don't ask me how :p .
    But even tho it is a very good tune I don't think the car has achieved its full potential , it is close tho .

    Nordschleife laptime :

    06.59.894
    Positive points :

    The 3 in 1 tuning deal for this car makes it very intresting .
    Amazing cornering speed
    Superb acceleration
    At 60.000 credits a very cheap car
    Very light and agile car
    Consitant and stable car

    Negative points :

    Not everyone will allow it in a streetcar lobby .
    Sadly it is a standerd car , and not a very nice one at that .
    Important :

    Please do note that i consider myself a average driver at best so these laptimes are just an indication of what the average joe should be able to achieve with this car .
    Even those these tunes we're build with the use of a DS3 controler i used my DFGT .
    All aids are turned off , just ABS is at 1
    Also everything in the lobby is set to realistic , and all testing is beeing done in an online lobby .
     
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    600pp TommyKaira ZZII by Newdriver

    Tommy Kaira ZZII 600pp

    The 3rd and final chapter of Newdrivers TommyKaira ZZII triology . 600pp on sport softs .
    The 600pp range , the place where all the supercars come to battle it out ...
    Insane cars , insane speeds and insane crashes if one is not carefull ...
    Many try to controle these cars and a lot of them fail , myself included :p .
    all kidding aside , tuning in the 600pp range is difficult on its own ,
    because it is very difficult to tune a car and then drive it on the edge of its abilaties to see if it is working .
    I was hoping that because of the increase from 500 to 550 pp was so succesfull that the step to 600pp would be the ultimate reward .
    Sadly this isn't so ... It was ( for me ) a step backwards . the car felt extremely nervous , and even with the front downforce it felt very loose .
    This might have something to do with the very light weight of the car but at no time when driving on the ring i felt safe .
    Accidents we're waiting to happen and focus needed to be at 110% at least .
    I did not really enjoy the 600 settings like I did on the 550pp . Maybe it is beyond my abilaties I don't know . It is quite possible that someone else is far better suited to controle this car .
    But sorry newdriver this wasn't a succes in my book .
    Still seeing that this build will only cost you a couple of thousand credits if you buy it for the 500-550pp , i would suggest you try it .
    You may never know , one testdrivers idea on a car might not be simular to anothers .
    After 5 laps on the ring I stopped . Still I had 3 laps of equally close times wich we're within 2 seconds of eachother .
    Maybe more practise may be needed .
    That said , my concerns for online streetlobbies remain the same so no need to repost them .
    I can only say that after testing this Triology I did enjoy myself in the end that is what counts .
    Good job and keep it up and thank you for you're efoort in tuning these cars ...
    Nordschleife laptime :

    06.38.941
    Positive points :

    The 3 in 1 tuning deal for this car makes it very intresting .
    Lightning speed .

    Negative points :

    Not everyone will allow it in a streetcar lobby .
    Sadly it is a standerd car , and not a very nice one at that .
    Very nervous car , loses grip at the wink of an eye .

    Important :
    Please do note that i consider myself a average driver at best so these laptimes are just an indication of what the average joe should be able to achieve with this car .
    Even those these tunes we're build with the use of a DS3 controler i used my DFGT .
    All aids are turned off , just ABS is at 1
    Also everything in the lobby is set to realistic , and all testing is beeing done in an online lobby .
     
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    @DaDog thank you for your review :tup: i like what you said its about driving style .
    "Cheater" or "Cheating" I think we can say that but it's not the only car that we can say that on it because there is the Elise , NSX , and RGT like you said . Most of the racer online using those cars to win the race and you can see sometimes the lobby full of those cars all using the same car just to win :sly:
    I made this car to win by it and also to be using deferent car than other drive Elise and NSX and in the last all of us looking for the win and the fun :tup: and I think you had that Fun and Win :tup:
    Thank you my friend for the review .

    ND
     
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    You defantly got a contender newdriver , i'm just waiting now for my wife to give me back my laptop lol so i can get back to writing... cant use the tablet seeing its running low on juice and i cant remember where i put the cable for it lol
     
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    Onboy123 Mazda Savanna RX-7 infini III (FC) '90
    Fresh from the dealership.
    Painted GT Polarized 013
    Bought a wing.
    I did not do an oil change but I did improve the rigidity (called "Chassis reinforcement" in the tune.)
    All specs equal to posted tune, no problems recreating the tune.

    Trial Mtn: 1:39.557
    I couldn't even make it to the tunnel before I spun out, the entry under steer caught me completely off guard. After that it was solid lap after clean lap.
    Entry under steer is quite a problem. And I'm not sure to call it under steer. What's actually happening is I need to turn the wheel about two to three times as far as I think I should (or would on most other cars) on higher speed corners, there's a lot of screeching from the tyres but they hold the line.
    Mid corner rotation can be tricky°but the car is very stable. (° Tricky because if the nose 'dips' inward on entry it will accept more throttle under rotation. If the car doesn't dip first then its hard to rotate the car under throttle, the car wants to push outward instead.)
    Corner exit is takes throttle control, not to keep the car from spinning, that's rare, but for throttle steering.
    Braking distance is good and very stable. Hard deep braking gives a quick brake loft off rotation (BLOR) but its easily avoidable and should be a useful tool on the next track.
    Cresting elevation changes in a corner are detrimental, the front of the car dips down and creates a heavy rotation movement that takes delicate steering to avoid.

    Autumn Ring: 1:27.849
    Alot more of the same.
    I did feel the need to use BLOR on a couple of the sharper corners and that was the weakest part of my laps. While it was fairly easy to control, it was also inconsistent in the amount of rotation I achieved.

    Nordy: 8:01.787
    The first section of Nordy (Hatzenbach to Hocheichen) is probably my favorite complex on any track. The way cars bend around the irregular slalom can put you on top of the world when you get it right.
    This car naturally bends around those curves. The slalom takes on a nice rhythm.
    The starting line might be a problem for drivers who like a "mash and go" attitude. There's a lot of wheel spin, smoke, and the rear likes to shift side to side if you can't keep it straight till it grips. Throttle control on the starting line is a must. I'm perfectly ok with that.
    The cars slight imperfections on the other two test tracks are ironed out by Nordys' irregular tarmac surface. TM and AR have camber and elevation changes, but they don't twist and bend and bump the way Nordy does, and this car loves it.
    The only problem I had was on the 'high speed into a sharp corner' parts of the track (fox hole, Wehrseifen). The car wanted to BLOR too much and a two stage braking process was usefull (decelerate, lift off slightly, then decelerate again, then lift off again to get BLOR, but not as much).
    My times weren't any good with this car, but I don't think that's indicative of the cars potential. I never do good with cars with entry under steer, it throws my timing and line off.
    The tricky° problem from before is still present, but usually only on the first corner of a complex, after that controlling the weight transfers was easier.
    The top speed could be limiting when drafting on the high speed sections.

    Fun, easy to control with just enough attitude that it can get away from you if you want it to. I'll take notes from this cars settings to use on my own tune for a RX7.
     
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    Ok, that's eight tunes reviewed, four of those reviews posted, in about three days. I'm taking a review brake for a day or two. When I come back I'll probably do Lady Bug by Krenkme (before he complains I've been ignoring him, ;) ).
     
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    Subaru BRZ-S by ACRS




    The Subaru BRZ-S , a car that togehter with its twin the Toyota '86 became an instant favourite of drivers
    around the world when they came to the Gran Turismo series .
    Classics looks fitted in a stylish modern day cover .
    When you visit the Subaru dealership and put 30.000credits on the table , you will drive home with a 200bhp rear wheel drive sportscar .And one , that straight out of the box , is allready a driving pleasure .But for those few extra credits , we can make this stock 406pp car into a 450 or 500 trackcar.ACRS decided to build a 4500pp version and well we took it out there to see what it could do .

    A testdriver always needs something to complain , its one of those things that we like to do and is almost a job requirement :p .So here goes , When I started the build I was looking for something to complain about and I found it :D , the rear wing , the size of a Boeing 747 .
    But seeing that we can get a more discrete model in the parts shop my complaining has come to an end , a bit sooner then expected but thats it .

    No all kidding aside , I have raced against this car online and well lets just say when AC is driving it the only thing I see is the rear-end ( Bad AC , bad , very bad :p ) So i had high expectations on this car , and yes I will spoil the review by saying it came true on almost all of them . Taking this car to the ring is a pleasure on its own yet the ring isn't the only place where this car can shine .
    This car is defenatly an all-around trackcar , flat , bumpy , techinal or fast it can do it all . Now don't get me wrong this isn't the fastest car I have driven so far , but it doesn't need to be . This car's number 1 strenght is its consistancy . 10 laps on the ring ended up in laptimes beeing less then 1 second apart of eachother . And every racer will tell you that beeing fast is good but beeing consistant will win you races . One thing tho , I personally removed the rear-wing after testing and I can't say that the handling decreased , laptimes remaind the same , but top speed increased just that little bit . The one thing that was not listed as exellent on this tune . The front end of this car will carve trough corners like a hot knife trough butter and the rear-end will follow without hesitation .
    No matter if you are starting or more experienced driver you will enjoy this tune while beeing able to get into the fight on track straight away .


    Nordschleife laptime :

    07.49.956

    Positive points :

    Consistant and reliable
    Superb handling
    Very respondsive engine combined with a exellent gearbox
    Good looking car with multiple visuall options
    A 450pp a podium contender on any track
    It is cheap(-ish) , and with a few extra credits you can get it to 500pp and enjoy it to .

    Negative points :

    Online , you're just one of a dozen ( very commen car )
    Personally i don't think you need the rear wing and will lose top end speed due to it .
    Oh yeah ... that rear wing :p
    Conclusion :

    This tune will set you back just under 200.000 credits wich includes the car , paint , rims , bodyparts and tuningparts . But it is worth every credit you will put into it . It is a car I would suggest to everyone . And I consider it a instant member on my favourites list .
    Job wel done ACRS it was a pleasure to test it , thank you for sharing this tune .



    Important :
    Please do note that i consider myself a average driver at best so these laptimes are just an indication of what the average joe should be able to achieve with this car .
    Even those these tunes we're build with the use of a DS3 controler i used my DFGT .
    All aids are turned off , just ABS is at 1
    Also everything in the lobby is set to realistic , and all testing is beeing done in an online lobby .
     
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    Excellent! :tup:
     
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    Thanks for the review, and as you mentioned in the PM, I'll start fixing the post layout ASAP.

    About the "understeer", that is probably down to the combination of LSD Accel settings and skinny tire syndrome. Low LSD Accel helps it put the power down, but makes it resistant to turning when we up the pace a bit. But if I pushed the Accel up…I'm pretty certain somewhere down the line I'd somehow manage to induce oversteer while going in a straight line. :lol: I'll have a play to see what needs to be done, I have taken a liking to it.

    As for first gear starts…well, too much torque for tires that are too skinny to get the job done. I'll admit though, I didn't think of using it for racing, so 1st gear's pretty useless for that, and it's an oversight that I'll get around to fixing. And yes, the top speed is a bit…low.

    tl;dr, expect this car to be like GT6. Patch after patch after patch. :lol: Hopefully I'll get it right somewhere down the line.
     
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