Clueless, over The Hill Outlaws - OP Updated 06/10/14

Discussion in 'GT6 Tuning' started by CyKosis1973, Dec 6, 2013.

  1. ACSR421

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    Thanks for the great review @DaDog glad you liked it wing and all. :p Also worth mentioning is brake balance has really changed post 1.04 so I need to get together with our group at the ring and do some updating. :cheers:
     
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  2. Woodski_427

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    It's been a long time since I've been called a young whippersnapper :lol:

    But yes I did rush and buy the first thing I saw even though they are next to each other :dunce:. The RS-Z does have one more pp in stock form for the same HP/weight.
     
  3. Theo777

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    I haven't had much time to tune the past few weeks but I did manage to sqeeze some driving in. Hopefully, I can get around to driving and tuning more frequently! With the many Mazda RX tunes coming out of the bays at COTHO I've got my 500pp RX8 '07 in the works. Also, I've almost found acceptable multi-track transmission settings for a certain bright orange Kubelwagen :)
     
  4. ACSR421

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    Clueless over The Hill Outlaws
    "Chevrolet Camaro SS '10 500pp SH"
    name: Pot Roast

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    Source and Parts list:
    Buy from: Chevrolet(do not change oil)
    Paintjob: stock
    Wheels: aftermarket
    rear wing : small body one
    Downforce: 15
    Weight Reduction: stage 1
    Window Weight Reduction: no
    Carbon Hood: no
    Chassis reinforcement: no
    Turbo: no
    Sports cpu: no
    Engine Tuning: no
    Intake tuning: no
    Exhaust Manifold: no
    Catalytic Converter: no
    Exhaust: no
    Transmission: FC
    Clutch/flywheel: Triple Plate Clutch
    Carbon Drive Shaft: yes
    LSD: yes
    torque assist center differential: na
    Suspension: FC
    Tires: SH
    Suspension
    Ride height front 112, rear 112
    Spring rate front 6.00, rear 10.42
    Dampers (Compression) front 5 rear 4
    Dampers (Extension) front 4 rear 5
    Anti-roll bars front 4 rear 4
    Camber angle front 0.0 rear 0.0
    Toe angle front -.04 rear .15
    Brakes: stock fr 5 rr 6
    LSD
    rear = initial 10, acceleration 11, braking 18
    Transmission
    set final to 5.000 then max speed to 124 mph
    1st: 3.220, 2nd: 2.305, 3rd: 1.755, 4th: 1.390, 5th: 1.140, 6th: .960
    final: 3.140

    The Tune
    Ballast weight : 46/-29
    Power Limiter : 94.5%
    Transmission: Auto/Manual
    ABS: 1
    Everything else: OFF
    The car has 500 PP, weighs 1572Kg with a 48/52 front/rear weight
    distribution, has a power to weight ratio of 4.34 kg/hp, has 403 HP
    @5800 rpm and produces 420 ft-lb torque @4500 rpm
    Notes:
    Tuned online for Nurburgring Norschliefe. Works well at other tracks also.
    Nicknamed Pot Roast because of its weight. Not the fastest Fr @500 but it is competitive and fun to drive.
    *Bonus Tune*
    "Chevrolet Camaro SS '10 550pp SS"
    name: Pumping Ethyl
    Source and Parts list:
    Buy from: Chevrolet(do not change oil)
    Paintjob: stock
    Wheels: aftermarket
    rear wing : small body one
    Downforce: 20
    Weight Reduction: stage 3
    Window Weight Reduction: yes
    Carbon Hood: yes body color
    Chassis reinforcement: no
    Turbo: no
    Sports cpu: yes
    Engine Tuning: no
    Intake tuning: yes
    Exhaust Manifold: no
    Catalytic Converter: no
    Exhaust: race
    Transmission: FC
    Clutch/flywheel: Triple Plate Clutch
    Carbon Drive Shaft: yes
    LSD: yes
    torque assist center differential: na
    Suspension: FC
    Tires: SS
    Suspension
    Ride height front 112, rear 112
    Spring rate front 5.96, rear 10.34
    Dampers (Compression) front 5 rear 4
    Dampers (Extension) front 4 rear 5
    Anti-roll bars front 4 rear 4
    Camber angle front 0.0 rear 0.0
    Toe angle front -.04 rear .15
    Brakes: stock fr 5 rr 6
    LSD
    rear = initial 10, acceleration 10, braking 18
    Transmission
    set final to 5.000 then max speed to 124 mph
    1st: 3.345, 2nd: 2.490, 3rd: 1.885, 4th: 1.500, 5th: 1.230, 6th: 1.020
    final: 3.050

    The Tune
    Ballast weight : 6/-20
    Power Limiter : 98.8%
    Transmission: Auto/Manual
    ABS: 1
    Everything else: OFF
    The car has 550 PP, weighs 1307Kg with a 48/52 front/rear weight
    distribution, has a power to weight ratio of 2.52 kg/hp, has 518 HP
    @6200 rpm and produces 477 ft-lb torque @5000 rpm
    Notes:
    Tuned online for Nurburgring Norschliefe. Works well at other tracks also.
    Pot Roast hit the gym, lost some weight, gained some muscle and changed his name to Pumping Ethyl.
    550pp puts the Camaro in supercar territory and I haven't tested it in races online yet but I enjoy driving it.:dopey:
    Feel free to use it with any Sport tires. (Race Tires are not recommended for any of my Street cars)

    Edit : you can use the same car for both 500 and 550pp but you will need to change the weight reduction, window weight reduction and carbon hood each time you switch between the two.

    ENJOY, AC
     
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  5. ACSR421

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    Updated the Golf and added a fully custom transmission. The recent updates left it handling poorly so I gave it an update. Still not the fastest car though.:(
     
  6. Dagger311

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    This is number three on my "To tune" list. A drift tune and a lotus are ahead of it, because I said I'd test them out. I've been fairly busy on the weekdays, and the only reason I'm still active on here is the beauty of multiple tabs.
     
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  7. Dagger311

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    This thing is a blast to drive! Still some understeer but it provides stability. Much better than stock, about 11 seconds faster on the ring.

    Great tune as always.
     
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  8. ACSR421

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    Thanks @Dagger311 glad you like it. I'm working on putting together an owners manual for my tunes. It will give general tips for getting the performance that suits each persons driving preference best. You can start by lowering the front spring rate by -.02 at a time until it turns in like you want. (ex 6.00 to 5.98 to 5.96) this will increase oversteer but also cause the rear to step out easier under acceleration out of tight corners. Its always a little bit of give and take when fine tuning. Good luck and let me know if this works for you.

    Edit: I changed first gear and final gearing plus changed the acceleration LSD from 10 to 11 since first posting.:cheers:
     
  9. Dagger311

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    I've finished playing until probably tomorrow evening, but I'll make the gearing change tomorrow.

    And I think the understeer suits it well. It's enough to keep it stable in the turns, but not so much to where it majorly affects your corner speed.
     
  10. ACSR421

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    Owners Manual for using acsr421 tunes in GT6
    This is my first attempt at writing a guide so don't set your expectations to high.
    We all have different driving styles and car setup preferences so I consider all my setups as base tunes that can be customised by each person. Here are some general tips to help you get better performance.

    1: LSD and Spring rates

    I tune using the LSD and spring rates as my primary settings. @Motor City Hami has a great guide for the LSD and explains it better than I can.
    For the spring rates because of the way I tune adjusting them will likely give the best results

    A: Warning there is an amount of give take by doing this
    B: If the car shows symptoms of understeer you can lower the front spring rate by -.02 raise the rear spring rate by +.02 at a time or both until you find the desired setting.
    C: If the car shows symptoms of oversteer add to the front spring rate by +.02 lower rear spring rate by -.02 or both until the desired setting is reached.
    D: If the car feels too softly sprung raise both the front and rear spring rates 5% at a time until the desired setting is reached.
    E: For a car that feels too stiff do just the opposite and subtract both front and rear 5% at a time until the desired setting is reached.

    2: Brakes
    Pretty simple, a higher number equals more bite with less pressure needed
    A: higher front and lower rear gives more stability but less rotation when braking at an angle
    B: higher rear and lower front gives more rotation and less stability when braking at an angle
    C: adjust as needed, I sometimes use different settings for different tracks

    3: Gearing
    I use @praiano63 guide

    4: Never use Race tires with any of my street cars you won't like the results. Inconsistant grip slip levels constantly changing the whole time. I don't mind people who run race tires I just don't tune for their use.

    5: Ride Height, Shocks, Camber, Toe to come in a future update

    Thats it for now. I hope this might help someone looking to get the most out of my tunes.
     
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  11. danbojte

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    Now I'm happy! :) Can't wait to drive it! :tup:
     
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  12. NEWDRIVER2

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    thank you AC for that car Great Tune on it :tup: Well done Sir .
     
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  13. danbojte

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    Indeed, it's not the fastest, but you made another superb machine. :tup:
     
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  14. Dagger311

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    Clocked a 1:29.634 on Deep Forest with this. It has amazing handling, albeit a little understeer prone in mid-corner. Very nice tune, ran it on Sports Hard.
     
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  15. CyKosis1973

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    Hey guys, I'm back for a brief moment. I'll update the front page once I've washed to day from my scrawny carcass. Might not be back on the PS3 for a few days though...

    {Cy}
     
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  16. rams1de

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    I called in hoping to find a killer tune for the 86GT Anniversary Edition after being blown away in an online lobby last night.

    Anyway, I bought and built this car and really enjoyed the drive. It feels tight and is very well planted. Thought it a bit understeery at first but after a couple of laps it came into its own. Liked the transmission and was impressed with the speed it could carry through medium and fast corners.

    I couldn't drive it quick as the 86GT I saw last night, guess I'll just have to suck it up and accept how much quicker that guy was than me.
     
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  17. CyKosis1973

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    Smarts that, doesn't it? :sly:

    Front page should be up to date now, please let me know if I've missed anything or if something is broken :tup:

    Hope to see you all on the track soon :mischievous:

    {Cy}
     
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  18. Onboy123

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    The Savanna/Infiniti/Porsche-944-rip-off/FC RX7 has been given a small update, mainly just a slight LSD tweak and suspension adjustments. Give it a go if you wish to risk updating, etc. :lol:
     
  19. CyKosis1973

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    Added to the front page. Your link for the Skyline points to your Pagani build mate, I've inserted the right link in the OP :tup:

    {Cy}
     
  20. Ksquad

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    Just wanted to drop by and thank you guys for all your fantastic tunes! I really love the names you guys give the cars and the stories of Ol' Harvey Wallbanger. Keep up the great work!
     
  21. danbojte

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    Fixed, thank you, Sir...

    {Cy}
     
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  23. Woodski_427

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    I've built the car and done a couple of test laps, but I did something I don't usually do: test the stock car.

    To reduce the disadvantage I added power mods to 447pp, 295bhp added SH tyres then went for a few laps at Trial Mountain. I then made the tune and ran a few more at TM and 2 laps of the Nordscheife. I quite liked the stock ride, though it suffers considerable understeer, is a little bit soft and weighty, and the road gearbox is typically not quite suited to the track.

    The tune massively improves on the faults, with much better weight distribution, and makes the Scooby tight and responsive. Some of the understeer remains though (largely unavoidable in a 4wd), and the car is not so easy to correct if you are a bit fast or miss your line. However you can really carry speed through the corners when you get it right; the best way is to take the more traditional approach, and not to apply early power too early (this can induce understeer).

    While driving smooth is inevitably the fastest way round the track, that is not to say you can't have some 4wd fun by throwing the back end round on the brakes, drifting to a late apex and powering away. You can try using this to stay on the tarmac the if you screw up entry and are not too fast. Which neatly brings me on to the brakes.

    I'm not going to argue with the prowess and success of the likes of @praiano63, but I'm not entirely sure about the extreme rear brake bias. There are times when I find it really helps, such as dab to change direction or trail brake, and times when it just feels a bit unnatural and induces entry oversteer. I'll play with the settings a bit I think.

    At Trial Mountain I improved on the stock (ish) time by over 3 seconds for a low 1:40.xxx only a couple of tenths slower than @Johnnypenso 's RS200 and I pulled an 8:03.xxx at the Nord (offline) with a bit of off-roading, but I think it is a sub 8:00.00 car for me.

    Even held it together off the tarmac
    Subaru_Legacy_Blitz_Nynaeve_Nordschleife_1-sm.jpg

    When I said it was a tune for me - I was referring to your comment about it being a safe drive, and my terrible online driving record at The Hill. I think this will prove stable enough with some rear bias reduction and I might even make a clean lap in such a car :lol:.

    Overall a really tidy, fast 4wd setup, which will reward the clean line but is also tenacious when sideways, and should keep you out of trouble. :tup:
     
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  24. Ronald6

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    Thank you for the review @Woodski_427.
    I could feel my head swell up with every word.
    The brakes are the one setting I'm most displeased with, please let me know what works best for you. I liked the feel of BB 3/2 but I got better times with @praiano63 settup.
     
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  25. Theo777

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    Torque-less Wonder
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    The super rotary power of the RX-8 has finally arrived at COTHO! This car was special enough to deserve two different versions. A mild tuned 450pp for those that just want a smooth drive and a stage 1, 500pp version for when you want to chase racecars. The suspension is set high enough that either tune should work around any paved track. Take care under heavy braking and when accelerating out of lower speed corners. Happy Driving!

    Mazda RX-8 Type S '07 450pp SH-SS
    GT6 Version: 1.04
    Performance Points: 450 PP
    Max Power: 260 HP
    Torque: 170 ft-lbs
    Weight: 1087 kg
    Front/Rear Weight Distribution: 50 : 50
    Drivetrain: FR
    Power Limiter: 99.7%
    Power to Weight: 4.18 kg/HP

    Tires
    Sports: Hard-Soft

    Performance Parts
    Suspension Kit: Height Adjustable, Fully-Customizable
    Transmission: Fully-Customizable Dog-Clutch
    Fully Customizable Mechanical LSD
    Triple-Plate Clutch Kit
    Carbon Drive Shaft
    Chassis Reinforcement
    Weight Reduction Stage 3
    Aero Kits: Type A
    Rear Wing: Custom Type A
    Other: Part A
    Paint: Elder Berry Pearl Effect
    Wheels: Standard Size: ENKEI RPF1

    Suspension Kit
    Ride Height: 130 / 130
    Spring Rate: 7.06 / 7.83
    Compression: 5 / 4
    Extension: 5 / 5
    Anti-Roll: 4 / 5
    Camber: 0.0 / 0.0
    Toe: -0.06 / 0.05

    Brake Disc & Calipers:
    Standard: Brake Balance: 4/5

    Differential Gear
    LSD Rear: 11 / 12 / 10

    Transmission
    Top Speed: 137 mph
    1st: 3.988
    2nd: 2.861
    3rd: 2.247
    4th: 1.823
    5th: 1.540
    6th: 1.320
    Final Gear: 3.637 (3.333 Nurburgring) Adjust to taste

    Performance Upgrades
    Aero: 0 / 20
    Ballast: 0kg / +0

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    Mazda RX-8 Type S '07 500pp SH-SS
    GT6 Version: 1.04
    Performance Points: 500 PP
    Max Power: 370 HP
    Torque: 222 ft-lbs
    Weight: 1072 kg
    Front/Rear Weight Distribution: 50 : 50
    Drivetrain: FR
    Power Limiter: 99.0%
    Power to Weight: 2.90 kg/HP

    Tires
    Sports: Hard-Soft

    Performance Parts
    Suspension Kit: Height Adjustable, Fully-Customizable
    Transmission: Fully-Customizable Dog-Clutch
    Fully Customizable Mechanical LSD
    Triple-Plate Clutch Kit
    Carbon Drive Shaft
    Engine Tuning Stage 1
    Sports Computer
    Racing Exhaust
    Catalytic Converter: Sports
    Intake Tuning
    Chassis Reinforcement
    Weight Reduction Stage 3
    Window Weight Reduction
    Carbon Hood: Painted
    Aero Kits: Type A
    Rear Wing: Custom Type A
    Other: Part A
    Paint: Elder Berry Pearl Effect
    Wheels: Standard Size: ENKEI RPF1

    Suspension Kit
    Ride Height: 130 / 130
    Spring Rate: 7.06 / 7.83
    Compression: 7 / 4
    Extension: 7 / 7
    Anti-Roll: 5 / 4
    Camber: 0.0 / 0.0
    Toe: -0.06 / 0.05

    Brake Disc & Calipers:
    Standard: Brake Balance: 4/5

    Differential Gear
    LSD Rear: 11 / 12 / 10

    Transmission
    Top Speed: 180 mph
    1st: 4.207
    2nd: 2.495
    3rd: 1.755
    4th: 1.365
    5th: 1.150
    6th: 0.974
    Final Gear: 3.900 Adjust to taste

    Performance Upgrades
    Aero: 0 / 20
    Ballast: 0kg / +0
     
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  26. CyKosis1973

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    Great stuff Theo, added to the front page :tup:

    {Cy}
     
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  27. danbojte

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    For the 500PP-Racing exhaust?! :mischievous:
     
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  28. Theo777

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    Thanks for the heads up about the missing exhaust! I've also replaced the captions with the action shots of the car battling it out in the 15min Nordschleife race.
     
  29. danbojte

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    :crazy: OK, you've added the photos and still no exhaust in the list. :mad: :cheers:
     
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  30. Theo777

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    Well, I must apologize for my terrible post editing skills... I added the racing exhaust to the performance part list twice but, I actually needed to add it a third time:boggled:... tabbing around the browser while editing a post and pressing backspace didn't clear what I wanted to edit. It took me back to the previous page being the browser's window selection occurred before the edit window.:banghead: Thus, causing me to think all was well after the pictures were added. Sorry for the confusion, thank you again for your danbojte!:tup:
     
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