Clutch doesn't feel much different

[ChevyFan1912]

Logitech G27

Clutch response hasn't really changed. Still going into N from 1st to 2nd, especially in the E92 M3.

I was expecting a more progressive clutch.

Engagement is way too early

 

[MOTORTRENDmitch]

None at all?
My god..
Let's flood Kaz with Tweets.

 

[CJDA9]

I know i am still miss shifting like crazy... There is no reason why we should have to take our foot completely of the gas for a shift to work... In my eyes if my shifter is the the freaking gate it should be in that gear not neutral.. Oh well I guess I will have to play live for speed to get a good clutch.

 

[ChevyFan1912]

None at all?
My god..
Let's flood Kaz with Tweets.

Clutch engagement is still an on and off switch. It is SLIGHTLY better, but still nothing like a real clutch

 

[Chocobos]

Try shifting when in a drift. Not only do you need to take your foot off the throttle, but you need to keep it off for at least 5 seconds as the revs back out of the power band. Was hoping this update would completely fix that.

 

[ChevyFan1912]

Try shifting when in a drift. Not only do you need to take your foot off the throttle, but you need to keep it off for at least 5 seconds as the revs back out of the power band. Was hoping this update would completely fix that.

Yup, I'm missing shifts a lot...

 

[gogatrs]

🤬
Well this just ruined my night.

 

[martinseber]

I think I've figured it out. As far as racing applications it hasn't changed much but try leaving from a start. It catches much earlier when releasing the clutch. Seems the racing and stock clutches have a different slip as well but that part could be in my head. I use a G27.

 

[ChevyFan1912]

I think I've figured it out. As far as racing applications it hasn't changed much but try leaving from a start. It catches much earlier when releasing the clutch. Seems the racing and stock clutches have a different slip as well but that part could be in my head. I use a G27.

No the clutch definitely engages earlier... It's a bit too early

 

[martinseber]

No the clutch definitely engages earlier... It's a bit too early

Definitely too far down the stroke for my taste, but it seems more progressive too.

 

[ChevyFan1912]

Slightly off topic: in real life when starting off from a standstill, do any cars have completely smooth clutch engagement? I drove a Golf R this past weekend and no matter how smoothly I tried to engage the clutch there was always a light thud in the drivetrain.

 

[Street Racer]

Ughh, I'm really sorry for off topic. But, anyone know where I can get g27 for lowest price.

 

[ChevyFan1912]

Ughh, I'm really sorry for off topic. But, anyone know where I can get g27 for lowest price.

Amazon

 

[Street Racer]

Oh, ok thanks. Have a good day everyone.

 

[martinseber]

Slightly off topic: in real life when starting off from a standstill, do any cars have completely smooth clutch engagement? I drove a Golf R this past weekend and no matter how smoothly I tried to engage the clutch there was always a light thud in the drivetrain.

Some definitely do. The hydraulic clutch in a new Camaro comes to mind. Have driven a buddie's gti and it did seem strangely jerky to me. (I've driven plenty of manuals)

 

[ChevyFan1912]

Some definitely do. The hydraulic clutch in a new Camaro comes to mind. Have driven a buddie's gti and it did seem strangely jerky to me. (I've driven plenty of manuals)

Even when starting off from a standstill in first? the golf r was smooth at first but when i completely let go of the clutch i felt a light thud. The flywheel is way to heavy as well. When going 1st to 2nd its almost impossible to shift smoothly because the rpms take forever to drop

 

[martinseber]

Even when starting off from a standstill in first? the golf r was smooth at first but when i completely let go of the clutch i felt a light thud. The flywheel is way to heavy as well. When going 1st to 2nd its almost impossible to smoothly shift because the rpms take forever to drop

I think most of it is the flywheel and the thunk is when it finally catches fully, or it could be something loose in a transmission mount etc. Pm me if you want.

 

[ITCC_Andrew]

Slightly off topic: in real life when starting off from a standstill, do any cars have completely smooth clutch engagement? I drove a Golf R this past weekend and no matter how smoothly I tried to engage the clutch there was always a light thud in the drivetrain.

My Hyundai Accent's clutch is REALLY smooth. Granted, it has its Hyundai moments, but, it's forgiving.


At the beginning of my autocross runs, I drop the clutch like it's an on-off switch, and it's still smooth. On the street, I try to be even smoother, so that I don't have to be banging on 4000 RPM to avoid a stall.

 

[ChevyFan1912]

Back on topic:

After some further testing, it seems the clutch engagement is much earlier, but its not as much of an on and off switch as it once was...

PD did not pull one out of their rear ends, thats for sure

 

[ChrisGT]

I don't understand why it is so hard to get the clutch right. Ruins the whole experience.

It is better than before though. It definitely engages closer to the floor and is easier to slip. On the other hand, they still have a long way to go before getting it right.

 

[ChevyFan1912]

My Hyundai Accent's clutch is REALLY smooth. Granted, it has its Hyundai moments, but, it's forgiving.

At the beginning of my autocross runs, I drop the clutch like it's an on-off switch, and it's still smooth. On the street, I try to be even smoother, so that I don't have to be banging on 4000 RPM to avoid a stall.

Yeah, the golf r would either THUNK when i nearly stalled (on purpose, testing the clutch limits), or slightly thunk, to the point where the rpms werent affected, but you could still feel it. 1500 miles on it

(Off topic: how long until the iOS app will be updated to the iPhone 5's screen?)

 

[Jay]

From what I can tell the engagement point is much lower now and that's the only change.

 

[CJDA9]

Now PD needs another update to fix the miss shifting bug. We can never be happy.

 

[1241Penguin]

Surely someone at PD would have noticed that their car in GT5 drives nothing like the car they own.

 

[Griffith500]

Now PD needs another update to fix the miss shifting bug. We can never be happy.

It's not (always) a bug, and your complaint has nothing to do with the clutch.
They only said they were tweaking the "response", which to me said axis / input tweak, nothing about the throttle position monitoring, rev limiter interaction, or any other silly controls they have on the H-pattern shifting.

 

[Sick Cylinder]

I just tried a few races and didn't miss any shifts - even down changes into second gear. I can't say that I actually noticed any difference though.

However I did notice that if you don't bother using the clutch the shifter acts like a flappy paddle changer complete with blips on downchanges - so those who want to "powershift" without the clutch can do that. If you press the clutch at all you will need to use it for the rest of the race.

 

[Hayden]

I just tried a few races and didn't miss any shifts - even down changes into second gear. I can't say that I actually noticed any difference though.

However I did notice that if you don't bother using the clutch the shifter acts like a flappy paddle changer complete with blips on downchanges - so those who want to "powershift" without the clutch can do that. If you press the clutch at all you will need to use it for the rest of the race.

That's been the case since day one Amigo...

 

[Frank Fox]

felt no difference
tested on miura, still feel no progression and the slip is laughable (you can't ride the clutch in 2nd gear like you can in reality without the car stalling)

 

[faburisu]

There is a HUGE difference with the G25 👍

Considering that in the first hours of GT5 there was an ON/OFF clutch ...

The first clutch update (dont remember the version sorry ) add the possibility to slip the clutch , but only in a few % of the pedal stroke ,

And now you can feel ( and see the rpm move up without increasing speed ) the cluth slipping from about 50 to 90% of the pedal stroke , so the first ~50% still dont affect anything

And yes , as that was said , when you shift up/down with the gas pedal pressed , even for only 0.001" you get the Neutral failure

The clutch feel better than never , but still far away from a real system

That's my feeling and my Opinion.

 

[Mac K]

No game will ever have a perfect clutch, thats pretty much fact. Now thats no excuse for PD and I'd love to see it improved. Of course I haven't tested it myself yet, and until I do I won't make any comments. That being said how can some notice a huge improvement and some can't at all? That makes no sense at all to me and obviously one of the two is incorrect in some way. (Whats that? A bit of critisism without making an ass of myself and keeping it mature while doing it? No way!)