COD4 vs KILLZONE 2

[Digital-Nitrate]

I swear... sometimes I think you don't even believe half the stuff you say and post this stuff just to cause trouble.

I could say the same about you (see below), though I will admit I was taking some liberties with your poor analogy. Come on you made a comparison of two cars, one was supposed to represent graphics, and the other gameplay.

Take another look at what you said:

Why don't you take another look then.... as it clearly is associating the attributes (graphics - looks, gameplay - performance)... not that one car was graphics and another car was gameplay.

And yes, you can swap out Murcielago or what ever for Yugo, the point remains the same... and that sales do not determine what is better.... but clearly you refuse to accept this very simple fact.

It's not just cars either, you can use the same analogy for any number of products, films, books, etc. Just because something sells more than something else IN NO WAY means it's better.

No, I'm not. But a game with good sales says something about it.

Yes... it says it had good sales... congratulations for figuring that out!

• Does it say that perhaps a game sold well because it was available to a much wider market? Perhaps.
  
  
• Does it say that perhaps a game sold well because it is part of a long series with a huge fan base? Perhaps.
  
  
• Does it say that perhaps a game sold well because millions were spent on the advertising? Perhaps.
  
  
• Does it say that perhaps a game sold well because there was a huge amount of hype generated for it? Perhaps.

All we know for certain is that it sold well... because under no uncertain terms does a simple sales figure tell you that it is a better game than a game that didn't sell as well... because there are plenty of reasons great games don't sell as well a lesser games. Get it???

Games don't sell if they are rubbish (look at Haze)

Look at the sales of the last three Need for Speed games and tell me that again with a straight face.

they certainly don't sell 11+ million copies if they are rubbish!

And who is saying it is rubbish? The point is it's rubbish to assume just because game A sells more than Game B - especially when game A has been out longer and is available for a mar

I will ask you again then. What was the point of having a poll asking which game (COD4 or KZ2) was better, when you have just said 'but that has nothing to do with the fallacy of claiming one game is better than another'?

Don't ask me, I didn't create the poll.

The whole point of the poll WAS to find out which game was better.

Exactly... not which sold more copies. 👍

Although considering where your personal preference lies, I can see why you did.

If you have a problem with the '#1 FPS of all time' title, then you should take it up with IW, I am only echoing what they have stated. I doubt a high profile company like IW are going to blatantly lie about something that isn't true, AND have the cheek to post it up on their webpage for everyone to see. 👍

Seriously? That's called marketing... and notice even they don't have the balls to say they are the best, instead, by cleverly leaving out "in sales" after the "#1", they leave enough room for people, perhaps like you, to assume it's because it's the best FPS game of all time.... mission accomplished. 👍

 

[magburner]

And yes, you can swap out Murcielago or what ever for Yugo, the point remains the same... and that sales do not determine what is better.... but clearly you refuse to accept this very simple fact.

I'm not reusing that fact. I can imagine that rubbish games sell well, but good games can also sell well, that's the point I was trying to make.

Yes... it says it had good sales... congratulations for figuring that out!

• Does it say that perhaps a game sold well because it was available to a much wider market? Perhaps.
• Does it say that perhaps a game sold well because it is part of a long series with a huge fan base? Perhaps.
• Does it say that perhaps a game sold well because millions were spent on the advertising? Perhaps.
• Does it say that perhaps a game sold well because there was a huge amount of hype generated for it? Perhaps.

All we know for certain is that it sold well... because under no uncertain terms does a simple sales figure tell you that it is a better game than a game that didn't sell as well... because there are plenty of reasons great games don't sell as well a lesser games. Get it???

I agree with what your saying, but can't you also agree that a game can be good, AND sell well? Gran Turismo is an example of a good game that sells well, I feel COD4 is another, maybe further down the line, KZ2 will be on that list too.

Look at the sales of the last three Need for Speed games and tell me that again with a straight face.

Now you are asking me to lie?

Don't ask me, I didn't create the poll.

I never thought you did, but do you thing the person in question who did, might of been inviting controversy? I would never of posted a poll like that, because the proposition is so contentious.

Seriously? That's called marketing... and notice even they don't have the balls to say they are the best, instead, by cleverly leaving out "in sales" after the "#1", they leave enough room for people, perhaps like you, to assume it's because it's the best FPS game of all time.... mission accomplished. 👍

Like I said before, I was surprised by the claim, but I did look into how they could make such a claim. Upon investigation, I found out that it was based on sales (and nothing else), so I posted up the figures to prove that.

I don't think COD4 is the best FPS ever. At times it feels like it is, at others it doesn't, but that again that is down to perception.

 

[GTP_ENERGIYA]

Sorry to everyone who has posted here who thinks this poll was a pointless move, i just wanted to find out whot people think of both game.

I have played both of them & i prefer killzone over cod4, so if anyone object's, then i'm sorry

 

[McLaren]

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Do you understand? COD4 is the #1 FPS based on sales (that's was what I was saying). And yes if everyone was stupid enough to go out and buy Duke Nukem (and it surpassed COD4 in sales), then that game could arguably be called the #1 FPS of all time (based on sales). I'm almost certain that that is what IW were claiming, and I provided evidence to prove their claim correct. 👍

Do you understand? You said the #1 FPS based on sales. If everyone goes out and buys a FPS despite it having bad gameplay & what not, then by your logic, that crappy FPS is the #1 FPS because everyone went out & bought it.

Call of Duty 4 is not the #1 FPS of all time. No FPS is & never will be. You can't argue it as a fact.

 

[magburner]

Do you understand? You said the #1 FPS based on sales. If everyone goes out and buys a FPS despite it having bad gameplay & what not, then by your logic, that crappy FPS is the #1 FPS because everyone went out & bought it.

Call of Duty 4 is not the #1 FPS of all time. No FPS is & never will be. You can't argue it as a fact.

Ahhh... I get what your trying to say now... Your saying that COD4 has crappy gameplay? Even though KZ2 has copied the 'crappy' perks system and other elements that were first in COD4?

IW have the right to say that COD4 is the '#1 FPS of all time' based on sales, because it is! Whether that title includes gameplay, graphics or whatever, is open for debate, what is not is the 11+ million sales to date! Get it?

Besides, this poll is totally biased towards KZ2, not because of the voting, but becuase of the nature of the game. KZ2 is two years new compared to COD4, as well as KZ2 having benifited from VAST near limitless resources (compared to what the majority of other games developers).

Wait until MW2 comes out, do a poll then, that will be 'fairer', but still (based on resources), will be totally biased. 👍

 

[GTP_ENERGIYA]

Madburner, i will do a COD6 vs KILLZONE & then we see how the poll turns out.

 

[magburner]

Madburner, i will do a COD6 vs KILLZONE & then we see how the poll turns out.

Awesome, that poll should be a fairer proposition GTP_ENERGAYA.

 

[NLxAROSA]

This thread is getting hilarious.

 

[Dragonistic]

I'm going to say 'Haze is the #1 FPS of all time' based on my opinion. It's just as good a claim really because they didn't say based on sales as even shown in the quotation by magburner, it just says #1. I'm sure hidden away somewhere they've said based on sales, even if it's just on there own noticeboard at the IW office. Note: I haven't looked myself so it could be hidden on the site or anywhere, I'm going purely on the quotes in this thread.

 

[Formula1Driver]

Well, even though I spent a ton of time on COD4, I voted for KZ2. There was a ton of hype leading up to it and I think it definately followed through with amazing graphics and gameplay, it was supposed to be a saviour for the PS3 and it was IMO.

So my vote goes to KZ2, however both are absolutely awesome games.

 

[Dragonistic]

Personally I think this poll should've included Socom for interests sake, because COD is clearly the most run and gun, KZ2 is some sort of mid point between that and full on tactical, with Socom being the extreme tactical end. Sure Socom isn't as big a title, and will probably never sell as many units, but I'd have voted for it.

 

[paolopepper]

Cant compare them really i think change it to COD5 and COD4 killzone is brilliant but overall i prefer COD4 i hate cod5 though killzone kicks it ass

 

[FLASH48]

I picked Killzone2, but like them pretty much the same!