Could Ford be going out of business? Read here

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Maybe Ford will reach a little break-even, but I don't think the Ford company could collapse.
 
If it does, the government will bail em out. It's happend before, with Harley and some Airlines.
 
Originally posted by MistaX
If it does, the government will bail em out. It's happend before, with Harley and some Airlines.

Indeed, just look at Sabena Airlines this year. (They went out of business anyway but that's because their stupid employees decided they should go on strike while their company was collapsing. Idiots.)
 
Hey M5, very informative!

The facts certainly point in the direction of trouble for Ford, but I can't imagine that they would dissapear from the face of the Earth. Ford is just such an American icon that I beleive that it wouldn't happen. Either the Govt. would step in over the out cry from all the Ford lovin red necks out there, or this new guy William Ford is really going to put the hammer down and whip Ford back into shape.
It's a tough call to make.
I just don't see Ford going away.

Darn, Ford is crap anyway. I would never ever buy a Ford.
 
Originally posted by boombexus
Hey M5, very informative!

The facts certainly point in the direction of trouble for Ford, but I can't imagine that they would dissapear from the face of the Earth. Ford is just such an American icon that I beleive that it wouldn't happen. Either the Govt. would step in over the out cry from all the Ford lovin red necks out there, or this new guy William Ford is really going to put the hammer down and whip Ford back into shape.
It's a tough call to make.
I just don't see Ford going away.

Darn, Ford is crap anyway. I would never ever buy a Ford.

You're forgetting that Ford owns dozens of other car companies.
 
Originally posted by rufrgt_sn00pie2001


You're forgetting that Ford owns dozens of other car companies.


No, I said that Ford would NOT disappear. I'm just sayin that all the red necks over here in the US wouldn't let Ford go into the Crapper! :)
What the hell would that do to all there NASCAR races!! :lol:
 
Originally posted by M5Power
Okay: In 2001, Ford lost $3.8 billion. Lincoln-Mercury lost $1.0 billion. Land Rover lost $250 million. Only Volvo and Aston/Jaguar gained money, but in total, their gains were only $800 million.

First of all, everyone's losing money, especially in the auto industry. It's hard times everywhere. If you've got a car that works, why spend money on a new one if you're not sure you'll still have a job?

GM: www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_12/b3775089.htm
Chrysler: www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2001-04-25-dcx-earns.htm

Ford still has high margins, especially compared to Chrysler, so any increase in sales results in a faster increase in income. Ford also ran into problems later than most other companies; its roller-coaster ride is simply delayed (others are starting to pick up already).

The Firestone tyre problem (which I'm sure you've all heard about) has already lost Ford $3 billion, and I won't even estimate as to how much money they may lose after they settle all lawsuits on the topic. The Firestone tyre problem also linked 271 deaths (!) to Ford. Consumer confidence, anyone?

*ahem*

money.cnn.com/2000/09/15/companies/ford/
money.cnn.com/2001/11/01/companies/carsales/

(The second link tells about a 45% growth in sales...for the Explorer.)

Ford's new (I'll get into that later) boss, William Ford, has decided on a 'restructuring program' which sounds more like brutal cost-cutting. He cut four factories [...]

There are factory closings all through Japan and Taiwan in the semiconductor industry. Is Samsung in danger of going out of business? (Hint: DC and GM closed quite a number of factories last year; they're doing much better this year.)

If you had lousy factories churning out lousy cars in a lousy financial market, you'd probably close them, too...and feel lousy about it, no doubt. ;)

Recalls! The Focus has been recalled four times,
[...]
Ford's biggest problem, actually, is product cuts. Due to the loss of these factories, nearly 900 million less products will be produced
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When Bill Ford took over from Nasser, Nasser had purchased several companies around the world. Bill Ford is now trying to sell them (or has sold them). Fairlane Credit (based in Denver), Kwik-Fit (UK), and Hertz Equipment Rental (Canada) all fall into this category.

I'd clump this with the previous paragraph. Old factories, old Q/A. Not that Ford will ever be nose-to-nose with RR, though. As for selling off Hertz, etc.: To make your company more profitable, it is often a good idea to focus on what you do best (or on what you should do best). In Ford's case, close some bad factories, sell some non-core divisions to drum up capital, and use that cash to build better factories and spark-up the other ones. Basic Management 101...well, 403...or maybe 415...depending on your MBA program. ;)

Internally, Jac Nasser (CEO) and Wolfgang Reitzle (CEO of Premier Auto Group, holding Jag, Aston, Lincoln, Land Rover, and Volvo) have both resigned or been fired along with Ford's number one treasurer and their director of investor relations.

There's reasons for those two departures. Nasser was ousted by Billy Ford; he didn't resign on his own. As for Reitzle, he'd rather stay in Europe and not have to report to someone he considers his inferior (Nick Scheele). There's also the rumour he's biding his time for an opening at the top of DaimlerChrylser. (No, none of these are truly my own ideas, but they make sense, don't they?)

I'll miss Reitzle. He could have brought some interesting designs to Ford (if they'd have let him). Much better than re-hashing your own history in literal form.

Finally, Ford is involved in an investor lawsuit (due to something about the precious metal prices?)

Well, I'll give you this one. And it's Ford's own fault. Ford stockpiled palladium (for the catalytic converters). It also invested in it. Then its own engineers figured out a way to get by without it. Suddenly a major buyer of palladium no longer needed it. (A case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing...more Basic Marketing 101). So someone sued based on the lack of information from Ford's engineering department. Chances are the lawsuit will go nowhere, but Ford still loses out on US$1 billion due to the fact that their huge store of palladium is worth jack squat.

Ford will either cease to exist or be bailed out by the government (like it did Chrysler) in five years.

Bailed out? Yes, if it comes to that point. Cease to exist? I doubt it. People said that of IBM 15+ years ago. Truth is, they never really went anywhere. "Blue Chip" companies are called "blue chip"s for a reason: they're pretty darn stable in the best and worst of times. Ford is big...no, huge. They're not really going anywhere. It'll take a lot more than a few billion in losses to knock them out for good. They've also got a lot going for them in the future: Aston Martin and Jaguar are looking for doubled sales (with high margins on that). Volvo is it's ever-steady self. Mazda is making a serious run on the import scene, redefining how fun an affordable car (or van) should be. Ford is also learning the theory of platform sharing, rather than just badge replacing (Escape/Tribute, rather than Explorer/Mountaineer).

In a nutshell (and it'd have to be a big nutshell after this post), Ford will be just fine. :)
 
They might....I sure as hell hope they do! It'd be sweet, like a big upset in US markets. So many more people would buy imports, and Mazda would be on it's own where it shoulda been for the last 15 years...
 
ohh bull...US cars, while they have gotten better, still aren't better than Japanese cars, or European cars...
 
My truck, a 1968 Ford, has outlasted 2 mazdas and 2 oldsmobiles.

don't think oldsmobile is import, but it's still outlasted them.


Also Maz, answer me this. I don't really have anything against Mazda, seeing how we have an MPV. But here lately I've seen a bunch of comercials for Mazda. Or at least the same three over and over. The one for the Tribute and one for the new MPV, and the one for the Protege. Why do they all seem to have a "200 HP" engine. Seemingly a Miata engine.

If Ford did die, I would buy somthing with a little more kick than 200 HP. Prehaps a Chevrolet. Or maybe a classic muscle car. Prehaps even a toyota.
 
Plus, just because a company collapes, it wouldn't make everyone go buy another product.

Like if Hewlett Packard collapsed I wouldn't go buy a different computer.

Why buy a new vehicle when the one you have works fine?
 
Darn, Ford is crap anyway. I would never ever buy a Ford.

yeah boom, your absolutly right :cheers:

First of all, everyone's losing money, especially in the auto industry. It's hard times everywhere.

nope. here in australia holden (branch of GM/vauxhall) has actually sold more than expected. they have made a HUGE profit this financial year.

i hope ford goes down the crapper :)
 
If it goes out, it goes out. The only new Ford I would buy would be either a Thunderbird, a Crown Victoria, or a Mustang.

The only BMW I would buy would be a Z3 Roadster 2.5i.

The only other new cars I would buy would be a 3000GT or a Viper.

Other than that, I don't much like new cars. Most of my other favorite cars aren't made anymore.

And actually, if it did go out, it would make mine even rarer. Not right away, but it would eventually. :p
 
Originally posted by MazKid
Mazda would be on it's own where it shoulda been for the last 15 years...

Until I got GT2, I didn't know that Mazda was part owned by Ford. I don't think a lot of people actually know that.
 
They pretty much are. I don't know if you count the Impala as a sedan or sports car.

And trust me, the crown vics are responsive and powerful. I drove one shortly before school was out. :p
 
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