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[exhaust_note]

I think polyphony should make a game just for drifting... Since drifting has become very well known lately.

*What does everyone else think?*

 

[Dave A]

A game just for drifting, erm let me thi, no.

 

[Ev0]

Drifting would be a very popular and fun gameplay mode in GT4, but a WHOLE game of drifting? Way too repetitive.

 

[Famine]

Hmm. A game based on subjective judging of how good your "tricks" are.

Try Tony Hawks.

 

[battle_stage]

Drifting is repetitive? Not in the least, if anything gripping get's boring sooner. They're not "tricks" either. I wouldn't call displaying your car control a "trick". Polyphony could do a great job making a drifting only game. You start as an amatuer drifting and learning at the docks and mountains, then work your way to track days and amatuer events. Then maybe get sponsered by a company them perhaps compete in the D1GP in Japan, then in the US. It certainly wouldn't be repetitive.

 

[Famine]

But I assume you take my point?

How would a "drifting" game work? You'd drift. "Someone" - ie a pre-programmed drift judging algorithm - would score your drift.

Ergo, you do something, you get scored for it.

I assume that you believe that displaying car control is not a "trick", but displaying skateboard, snowboard and bike control is?

 

[battle_stage]

Driving and skateboarding are two completely different things. They can't be compared. There's already a few games that are all about drifting and if some other company can do it, Polyphony can improve on it ten fold.

 

[Duke]

I've often thought that PD should market the basic GT game, minus the Rally section, and improve it to the greatest extent possible. Good physics, good AI, good mods. Really develop the rules for individual races so there is some meaningful difference between "British Cup" and "German Touring Car Championship".

THEN, using that engine and the career development ladder system, they should market specialty games: rally, autocross, drag racing, drifting. Like "expansion packs". I for one would love to have the first two, and would never play the second two. But many people would love to have some other combination of games to play, especially if PD could take the time and care to develop the specialties a little more fully.

 

[Dave A]

Originally posted by battle_stage
They're not "tricks" either. I wouldn't call displaying your car control a "trick".

Clever use of car control is a trick in the same way clever use of a skateboard is a trick, if you do a perfect J turn in a car you've done a trick. If you balance your car on two wheels you've done a trick, see what I'm getting at.

 

[battle_stage]

Yeh, but drifting is a driving style now, you can't deny that. I'd hardly call that a "trick". If you ride mongo on a skateboard, that's just a skating style, not a "trick".

 

[Famine]

And a triple-forward somersault with pike is just a "diving style", but it's still a trick, and it's still subjectively scored by a panel of judges. In the same way that a Tony Hawks/Matt Hoffman game is, and in the same way a "drifting" game would be.

Just accept the point - we're not (well, I'M not anyway) denigrating drifting. Just saying that it'll be a game based on scoring what "moves" (for want of a better word) you do.

 

[GT-40/787b]

sorry but eagames has already incorperated this idea into N4SDU, how many drifts your can string together in section

 

[Ev0]

Originally posted by GT-40/787b
sorry but eagames has already incorperated this idea into N4SDU, how many drifts your can string together in section

I scored drifting points when I was "drifting" into a concrete barrier EA really messed up the style points system since if you crash or lose position, you still gain the points. If PD was to do it right, they would need to have a very good scoring system in place or else it would completely suck.

 

[Solid Fro]

Originally posted by GT-40/787b
sorry but eagames has already incorperated this idea into N4SDU, how many drifts your can string together in section

Exactly, and that's where is should stay, on NFS:U. I don't think the "sport" (if you can call it that) should be in GT because you're not racing, you're performing tricks. Of course, drifting should be in GT, since that's how cars behave, but the "sport" should stay far... far away from GT.

I don't want to be scored on how many Kudos points I get every time I let the back wheels slide a little in GT.

 

[battle_stage]

You are such a dick, lol. All you want is a dull straight forward racing game. Drifting is HUGE. Get over it. Drifting will be in GT4. Get over it. Body kits will be in GT4. GET OVER IT. Don't like it, don't buy it.

I could care less about what EA is doing too. It's not like they're competition.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Drifting is no more, no less than a side show performance that takes skill and talent. It is not, however, a legitimate sporting activity. I don't like the idea of drifting becoming more popular with todays youth. I fear the day some moron who borrowed daddy's car wants to drift in the supermarket parking lot at the same time I plan to enter it.

I know PD as planed for drifting to be a feature of GT4. I hope it takes a lot of skill and expertise to unlock this feature. I don't want youths to get the idea that this is something to be tried IRL.

 

[Delphic Reason]

What is the matter with all you jerks. Why do all of you hate drifting so much? Because kids will try to emulate it with their mom's Civic? There is nothing you can do about it, and yes there are kids out there trying to go fast and getting in accidents without trying to drift. You can't not do something, just because there are stupid people in the world. There will always be stupid people in the world, and I will be damned, if they are going to ruin my fun, and the sport. Yes, that's right, I called it a sport, because it is a sport whether you like it or not. Furthermore, it does take a lot of talent to drift well, and I can't see any reason why, you hardcore grip racers can't get along with us drifters. True there are some idiots on this forum, that saw Initial D for the first time and think they are drift kings, but there are also people like myself, battle-stage, exhaust_note, and others, that add knowledge to this forum. I am a grip racer also, but I love to drift because it is more chalenging, and I find it more exciting and entertaining. In conclusion I think if anybody could do a quallity drift game than it's Polyphony, and I am all for that. Back to you exhaust_note.

 

[Ethix101]

I'm a big fan of drifting and I honestly couldn't care less about drifting comps in GT4. I definitely want some D1GP tracks and cars (Vertex Soarer, HKS S15, Uras ER34, etc), along with online capability so I can drift with friends, but I just can't see how they could make a realistic scoring system for a video game. It's not like games like Tony Hawk where you have to push certain buttons and it activates a trick, Drift Comp scoring is based on Angle, speed, control, racing line. I would think that would be pretty hard to create a scoring system for. I don't know.
If they did release a GT-Drifting game, I'd buy it, just for the tracks, cars, and online play.


-Mark

 

[Solid Lifters]

Sorry, drifting is no more of a sport than darts or lawn bowling. And yes, there are idiots who think those activities are sports too.

It's like this. Cycling is a sport, but unicycling isn't. Racing is a sport, but drifting isn't. Simple.

 

[Ethix101]

Originally posted by Solid Lifters
Sorry, drifting is no more of a sport than darts or lawn bowling. And yes, there are idiots who think those activities are sports too.

It's like this. Cycling is a sport, but unicycling isn't. Racing is a sport, but drifting isn't. Simple.

According to you.



-Mark

 

[Solid Fro]

No, Ethix101, only according to you. Solid is right.

 

[GTXLR]

Synchronized Swimming Anyone?
or Pairs Figure Skating.

Drifting becoming more popular.......Why?
Could it be that any lame moron can plant the foot to the floor when making a turn on the street to practice it.
Much like the popularity of street racing, lame knuckle heads, straight piece of road, oi you my cars faster than yours, coz I paid some mechanics a **** load of money to tune it up, and stick on these huge lumps of plastic, took a hacksaw to me springs to drop it on the floor, ner ner....Rev...Rev, Bring It, Lets Go!

You Wanna See Drift, watch rallying 100 Mph drifting.
At least they look spectacualr and go fast at the same time, and some times they lose it and stack it in the trees!

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by battle_stage
You are such a dick, lol. All you want is a dull straight forward racing game. Drifting is HUGE. Get over it. Drifting will be in GT4. Get over it. Body kits will be in GT4. GET OVER IT. Don't like it, don't buy it.

Actually, battle_stage, you are every bit as big a part of the problem, since you get hyper-defensive any time someone attacks the holy god drifting in even the slightest way.

Drifting is popular in Japan and it is gaining popularity in some circles of the rest of the world. However, to call it "HUGE" in terms of the motorsports world is to completely exaggerate drifting's importance and popularity. I think this is perhaps something you should get over. Some people think it's pointless. GET OVER IT. I've gotten over the fact that some people like it. But that doesn't mean I have to like it myself.

Personally I will be highly disappointed if drifting is included as a required part of 100% completion in GT4. I doubt I will bother to finish if it is. Would I support a GT4 spinoff drifting game? Sure, more power to it. Would I buy it? No.

For what it's worth, it would be relatively easy to write a scoring algorithm to award points based on slip angle of the car, speed through the turn, track position, and smoothness. It already calculates all those things as part of the physics engine. It would simply be a matter of setting criteria for points based on that telemetry info.

 

[battle_stage]

We pretty much agree duke, except you're on the other side of the fence, that's all. I only get hyper-defensive when some ignorant moron comes on here trashing something he knows nothing about.

Could it be that any lame moron can plant the foot to the floor when making a turn on the street to practice it.

Your interpretation of drifting couldn't be farther from the truth.

 

[GTXLR]

Your interpretation of drifting couldn't be farther from the truth.

Not really!

While I Understand that expert Drifting is all about a combination of set up, tuning And drivers skill.
I fully Understand that those who do it expertly on tracks, make it look reasonably Good, Sometimes.

But Its Rise in Popularity on the street, is That Street drivers like to think they can show cool if they try and drift a junction, in front of the girlies.

Often embarassingly the Little Kiddy Motors Give Up After A mouse squeel From the tyres.

Deleted most of what i Just Wrote.

I Give Up
Just READ this and thought god Im Sounding Old.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by battle_stage
You are such a dick, lol. All you want is a dull straight forward racing game. Drifting is HUGE. Get over it. Drifting will be in GT4. Get over it. Body kits will be in GT4. GET OVER IT. Don't like it, don't buy it.

I could care less about what EA is doing too. It's not like they're competition.

A dick? You've failed to back that up. But, like drifting, it's a subjective judgement.

There are lots of things in GT3 I could care less about. I just ignore them. Like all the Hondas. Like the venerable AE86. They're all there, I don't care, and it's still a great game. Can you handle that there will be people who will not buy GT4 for the body kits and drifting? Do you understand that the biggest improvement is the physics engine and that drifitng is only a side effect of that? Maybe you shouldn't buy it.

 

[battle_stage]

Kazunori said himself that they improved to the physics to make drifting more accurate to real life. Maybe I SHOULD buy it.

 

[Dave A]

Let's stop this flaming before this whole thread gets out of hand. This threads about a game devoted to drifting, not weather it's good to like drifting or not.

 

[Ethix101]

Originally posted by Viper Zero
No, Ethix101, only according to you. Solid is right.

You're confusing OPINION with fact. By definition, a sport is a "Physical activity that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often engaged in competitively." It's every bit as physical as racing (though not nearly as much as long distance endurance racing, nascar or F1, bet definitely more physical than drag racing or autocross), it has rules and customs and it's also engaged in competitively. If you really want to be picky, you can refer to it as a motorsport, but it is a sport.


-Mark

 

[Dave A]

Actually proper drag racing, as in top fuel dragsters etc is very very physical, they can knock you out if your not fit enough.