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doblocruiser
I am sorry I forgot the pad-players. Didn't really think about it when posting. I surely can see the wear looks a lot different.
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I'm on pad and yes it grinds the tires harder but more so it's harder to run with worn tires on a pad. I am slowly coming to grips with the fact that in order to be good at race C I need a wheel. I am sure other people can do it with a pad but I can't.
 
Get in, 3rd from 10th!!
I mean, 4th place ran out of fuel along the start finish, but I'm taking it anyway!:lol:
Also if i hadn't been too lazy to stop a cut at eau rouge, would have got a CRB. That's basically all I'm racing for now, tho really enjoying the races just trying to be consistent and clean.
SR up to 99 for first time ever, and DR up 3000 today, I'm now (only just) past the midway point of DR B :cheers:
 
doblocruiser
I am sorry I forgot the pad-players. Didn't really think about it when posting. I surely can see the wear looks a lot different.
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Why be sorry? The d-pad dates back to the Atari 2600. If people choose to stick to using the d-pad, that's their problem it overcome. Consider this, the D-pad predates the television technology we play on. This game won't even run on a TV from the d-pad's time frame. The d-pad should be left as a way to control the multi-function display, not as a driving input device.

I could also peck at the d-pad with my nose like chicken, but if I choose to do so it's on me to deal with the repercussions.

Your initial statement was valid. As I said, Race C is always about resource management. All racing is about resource management. That's why there are tire set limits, fuel capacity limits, etc. Figuring out how to be competitive within the limits IS the game.

Sven Jurgens
It is because of accelerated tire wear / fuel use making some cars largely irrelevant in C races. If the pit stop speed was also x5 or x7 or x13, then sure no problem. A mandatory stop doesn't break the race into two B races. Fuel saving will still give you an advantage in pit stop time, as well as not changing tires. And the strategy will be when to pit, not pick a car with the best mileage.
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Based on the statement I highlighted, this is exactly what people are doing to win these races. They are fuel saving and tire conserving so well, that they don't have to stop. If a "mandatory" stop were instituted, I would choose to not change tires and not take on fuel. I would just drive through the pit lane, as would everyone else who is currently not stopping.

So, in essence, a mandatory stop would simply be a drive through penalty for people who play the game better.

What if they closed the pit lane instead? What if they FORCED people to NOT stop. Is that fair? Is it fair to penalize players who may not have the skill set to conserve?

If people don't like the fuel and tire usage management game, play Race B. That's what it's for.

My three favorite cars are also the three cars that will eat their tires if driven incorrectly, namely the Huracan, Ferrari, and the NSX. I found that if I stay on the brakes without downshifting, and I allow the engine revs to drop, the engine braking is reduced and rear tire wear is improved.

Should I be penalized for finding this?


This is really just a "get good" discussion. It's just that in this context "good" mean get better at managing the race.
 
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I dont even bother by saving fuel. Enter close to end lap 5. I pit stop only fuel. I have every confident I catch up the cars that had pass by me. Ill say 75% sucess. Like Ive said before my style driving is aggressive, no back down. Sure sometime I got penalties but not too often. To me RACE mean chase to be either place 1st to 3rd place. Any else place 4th to down is very disappointment. Thats my motto! lol
 
Voodoovaj
Why be sorry? The d-pad dates back to the Atari 2600. If people choose to stick to using the d-pad, that's their problem it overcome. Consider this, the D-pad predates the television technology we play on. This game won't even run on a TV from the d-pad's time frame. The d-pad should be left as a way to control the multi-function display, not as a driving input device.

I could also peck at the d-pad with my nose like chicken, but if I choose to do so it's on me to deal with the repercussions.

Your initial statement was valid. As I said, Race C is always about resource management. All racing is about resource management. That's why there are tire set limits, fuel capacity limits, etc. Figuring out how to be competitive within the limits IS the game.
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That's a bit elitist don't you think? Having to fork up as much or more than the console for a input you can do without is something that I surely can afford but not justify. When you are a parent you always have to consider priority. I prioritized to have a bunch of kids and their needs comes before my pleasure.

Edit: I am not complaining about the d-pad, I am just stating facts. I enjoy racing with the pad very much.
 
My fault, i meant the controller not the d-pad. Controller users lean hard on the tyre as there is nowhere near as much rotation as a wheel. I have been using both lately and the wheel definitely turns in way, way better than the controller.
 
Voodoovaj
Why be sorry? The d-pad dates back to the Atari 2600. If people choose to stick to using the d-pad, that's their problem it overcome. Consider this, the D-pad predates the television technology we play on. This game won't even run on a TV from the d-pad's time frame. The d-pad should be left as a way to control the multi-function display, not as a driving input device.

I could also peck at the d-pad with my nose like chicken, but if I choose to do so it's on me to deal with the repercussions.

Your initial statement was valid. As I said, Race C is always about resource management. All racing is about resource management. That's why there are tire set limits, fuel capacity limits, etc. Figuring out how to be competitive within the limits IS the game.
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Steering wheel predates d-pad though :sly:
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Respect to those driving clean with the d-pad, That's not easy. Like beating Dark Souls with a guitar hero controller.

But true RL racing is all about having the best equipment for the job.
 
RacingGrandpa
That's a bit elitist don't you think? Having to fork up as much or more than the console for a input you can do without is something that I surely can afford but not justify. When you are a parent you always have to consider priority. I prioritized to have a bunch of kids and their needs comes before my pleasure.

Edit: I am not complaining about the d-pad, I am just stating facts. I enjoy racing with the pad very much.
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It says d-pad. Not controller.

I use the controller. It came free with the console :). I have not found there to be an insurmountable handicap with the controller. My tires are just fine at the end of races. Yes, if tire wear is extreme, like 10x or something, then it's a hindrance, otherwise, I see no issue.


Some people literally use the direction pad portion of the controller to steer. There's just no need. The analog stick is right there and so much better.
 
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NevilleNobody
Pad users grind the tyres really hard. There's so much understeer built into the pad, the lack of rotation means you lean HARD on the tyre.
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Game mechanics do their best to help the pad but they're flawed. Races with tyre wear massively favour wheel users which is why I ditched FIA races. When they started putting 8x tyre wear on it was a lost cause. Circuits like Miyabi are a tyre scrub fest.

I think GT S should show whether racers are using a wheel or DS4 (previous versions of the game did). Also, different device users will give different advice, which is worth bearing in mind.
 
Voodoovaj
It says d-pad. Not controller.

I use the controller. It came free with the console :). I have not found there to be an insurmountable handicap with the controller. My tires are just fine at the end of races. Yes, if tire wear is extreme, like 10x or something, then it's a hindrance, otherwise, I see no issue.


Some people literally use the direction pad portion of the controller to steer. There's just not need. The analog stick is right there and so much better.
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:D misunderstanding
 
I think the people that hate managing fuel and tires need to get acquainted with David Goggins :D



GT is, literally, a time waster in the day for me. I do it in between the other things in my life. That's why I was out of it for much of the summer. I had better things to do. Still, I have only one excuse for any failure in my life, ME.

When we lose a soccer game, it's not the game's fault, it's because the other team played better.
When I get my ass handed to me at kickboxing, it's because the other guy fought better.

Stops, no stops, it doesn't matter. When someone beats me at GT, it's because they played better than I did.

All things in life have the same rules. Better players focus on being better players. Losers focus on losing and all the excuses.
 
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Whew the Renault was a hard CRB to get. I can get it down to a flat 2:24 while fuel saving, not enough to stay out of range of the crash and rush back crowd. The biggest problem are the slow corners, the Renault needs to carry speed through the corner, any mid corner adjust because the car ahead loses control means a lot of speed lost and prone to get tapped by a car coming from behind. It didn't have any of the slide issues I had with it on N24, it's just not very fast.

Btw SR.A so dirty compared to SR.B. I'm back in SR.S now, crash fest first lap. The higher the SR, the worse the backfield it seems. Spa is putting up a good challenge for the CRB this week. 7th place finish with CRB with the Renault navigating through crash festival felt like a first place victory :)
 
Voodoovaj
I think the people that hate managing fuel and tires need to get acquainted with David Goggins :D



GT is, literally, a time waster in the day for me. I do it in between the other things in my life. That's why I was out of it for much of the summer. I had better things to do. Still, I have only one excuse for any failure in my life, ME.

When we lose a soccer game, it's not the games fault, it's because the other team played better.
When I get my ass handed to me at kickboxing, it's because the other guy fought better.

Stops, no stops, it doesn't matter. When someone beats me at GT, it's because they played better than I did.

All things in life have the same rules. Better players focus on being better players. Losers focus on losing and all the excuses.
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Well, it might be like that for some of us. I could be different though. For me, sure I could devote the time and money needed to be better. But frankly, I love the game as is and I devote my time and money to be better at other stuff in my life. For me, GTS is a pass time, not a serious hobby. It is a game after all.
I don't complain when I get beaten in GTS either, if soI would have stopped playing a long time ago. For me it's a victory when I have a great clean battle with another driver, and it doesn't matter if it is for the second to last place or the second places.
GTS makes a great job out of matchmaking most of the time so winning is rarely in the cards.

Edit: now I watched the video. I am not very impressed actually. Perhaps because I don't know the guy. What has he accomplished? He runs...
 
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Redsea666
Been using the Rc F at Spa but can't get below a 2:23 for QT. Maybe I'll try the Merc tonight. I just need to put a coat of TRUE NORWEGIAN BLACK METAL on it and I'll be good to go!
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Love me some RCF but everytime i use it i just cannot quite get on the power as well as i can with some other cars. It's just that little bit loose over bumps, it's really subtle but it is there and it's one of those cars that at TC3 it's way too slow and TC2 it just slips a little too much and then cuts in too often so is also slow. hard to explain but my times are good but never quite where they are with my favourites.
 
Digging the Citroen for Race C this week. Wish I'd used it earlier in the week. Just nice and stable, and still fast when short shifting.

Started 20th, no stopper, got as high as 5th, let 2 loose lunatics through on Lap 7 as I didn't wanna be taken out, and finished a respectable 7th. Highest finish on Spa this week.

Tires in good shape at the end, and finished with 0.3 miles of petrol.
 
Glad to be back in SR.S (briefly) You can always depend on the highest rated drivers to overcome a glitched start.
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This is why we can't have standing starts in the daily C.

That race was a crash fest, ended up with a BS penalty for a car ramming me and pinging off. Back to SR.A. The race after was a rain of SR Downs and another BS penalty, back to SR.B. I guess racing is not possible atm, extreme avoidance mode activated.

What do you know, SR.B is much cleaner again, could safely race. I still got punted once and got SR Down for it of course. However clean or dirty race, 3rd place finish twice in a row :)
 
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