"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Sven Jurgens]

I missed the spa race at 7:30, toured around Tokyo to kill time with 7 entries from SR.S to SR.B. Popular race. I got 3 SR Downs from the draft bumper behind me, still blue S. The one bumping me into the wall to get a penalty, also blue S. Lots of SR at race A this week.

Spa up next. It's gonna suck after the reset. I'm probably not getting to start anywhere near last :/ Thanks cheaters. CRB is usually gone in the first chicane when I have cars starting behind me...

Oh nvm, people fixed that quick. Only one non qualifier starting in front of me. Last, oh yeah! CRB in the bag. (maybe, starting 15th, all SR.S at least) 7th in the FT-1 VGT, bad on fuel. low 2:25 high 2:24 best lap no stop, CRB!

 

[RacingGrandpa]

Haha! “Innocent” person - get over it!

I'm sorry but you are missing the point. It's not that it's @Pigems you hit, it's the fact that you don't care who you hit on your way and that you seem to think that your experience is more important than everyone else's. I wonder how you would feel if everyone treated you the same.
That very behaviour is the reason so many owners of GTS never run dailies,just lobbies where they can kick people behaving like that.
I have no power what so ever to change your behaviour, but you can not expect respect when you act like this. Especially when you can't take responsibility for your actions.

 

[Granadier]

Haha! “Innocent” person - get over it!

Careful. People might start thinking your lobbies are hockey games with an attitude like that.

 

[Invisigoth]

Welp, my second race at the Belgium abbey. Went in with GM's plastic fantastic, and beat my Viper time by a second. I know some people here are Corvette aficionados, but I just don't feel as confident with it as I used to. The Viper felt much more controllable. Had a better starting position. P9/18. Mixed grid or DR/C and D with a couple of As and 4x Bs.

Race starts and I'm dumped just before the chicane. Negotiating it was tricky with the log jam of cars. Off we go! I get to T1, brake where I was in qualy, and not much happened, brakes were no where near as effective as in qualifying, and not really enough speed for drafting to be an issue. I had to go off track to avoid a collision . The brakes seemed fine for qualy so I didn't look to see where I had them set.

Next couple of laps I ended up in front then having to concede because I was braking early, but still effectively dive bombing because I couldn't bloody stop ! I was struggling the whole race. I ended up slowly dropping down to P17 by the end of lap 3.

I was short shifting and lap 4 had me with still enough fuel to finish, so I continued shirt shifting. Slowly climbed my way up to P9 again. The tyres by the 3rd last lap weren't happy, and coming up to the last lap, the fuel meter said I had 0.7 laps of fuel left. I pitted just for fuel and dropped to P10, where i finished when the race timed out.

I can't do a proper no stopper with the 'vette with short shifting alone. It can and has been done, but I'm not smooth enough. In hindsight, prolly should have just kept going instead of pitting.... the race still would have timed out before I ran out of fuel .

3 penalties for track violations, two of those were on the same lap so 1.5s all up, and 0.5s for the third. At least one of those was me going wide to avoid a collision. SR blue, DR about 100pts shy of re-gaining what I lost yesterday. I think I'm learning the track, just not the cars that work for me *at this time* .. PD keeps moving the target . I expect tomorrow's ride will be the '17 Lexx....us. Another day above DR 1 .

 

[Odiesback]

I'm sorry but you are missing the point. It's not that it's @Pigems you hit, it's the fact that you don't care who you hit on your way and that you seem to think that your experience is more important than everyone else's. I wonder how you would feel if everyone treated you the same.
That very behaviour is the reason so many owners of GTS never run dailies,just lobbies where they can kick people behaving like that.
I have no power what so ever to change your behaviour, but you can not expect respect when you act like this. Especially when you can't take responsibility for your actions.

I think the point has been missed. If you read my first reply you will see that I expressed very clearly that I did not hit him or anyone on purpose. Those were due to circumstances of racing. Most my fault probably like me missing breaking point, getting too eager, etc. - when I said I was making up time it was not a justification for hitting people but rather the cause that made me commit errors. I took full responsibility for it and was not even aware of what it had occurred until I saw the replay. Heat of the moment kind of thing.

I race as clean as I can and expect the same. Either is not always possible after the light turns green on the track.

Now, calling me names, posting videos to denigrate me without knowing whether or not it was intentional, was totally uncalled for IMHO.

I share the same feelings for cheaters and dirty racers.

Hope you all have a great day!

 

[NevilleNobody]

No video evidence but had a jolly good race at Spa last night. Started 15 of 20, spun and was dead last but managed to get in a fight for 11th to 15th for the last 3 laps. I am a bit out paced at SR-S and DR-A, I sort of sneak into DR-A by being careful, finishing higher than my pace would allow just through cagey driving, so in a clean room i get owned.

But anyway, good fun at the end, i had the MOTHER of all tank slappers heading into the bus stop and i somehow thread my way through three cars and nearly hit the apex. I nudged one guy but nothing serious, was a dead set miracle there wasn't a 4 car pile up.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I think the point has been missed. If you read my first reply you will see that I expressed very clearly that I did not hit him or anyone on purpose. Those were due to circumstances of racing. Most my fault probably like me missing breaking point, getting too eager, etc. - when I said I was making up time it was not a justification for hitting people but rather the cause that made me commit errors. I took full responsibility for it and was not even aware of what it had occurred until I saw the replay. Heat of the moment kind of thing.

I race as clean as I can and expect the same. Either is not always possible after the light turns green on the track.

Now, calling me names, posting videos to denigrate me without knowing whether or not it was intentional, was totally uncalled for IMHO.

I share the same feelings for cheaters and dirty racers.

Hope you all have a great day!

In that case I at least misunderstood you. Maybe more did since we all seems to react the same way. In that case I am sorry for what I said. I am glad that you try to race clean, the more players doing so the better!

 

[Pigems]

Haha! “Innocent” person - get over it!

I’ll ask you again then, why do you feel that “your” race is more important than anyone else’s race on the track? Just because you made a mistake and fell behind doesn’t give you the right to barge your way back through the field.

Also, yeah innocent, WTF did I do to you in that race to deserve being bumped around and eventually punted off the circuit? Seriously, I’d love to hear your answer on that one?

I think the point has been missed. If you read my first reply you will see that I expressed very clearly that I did not hit him or anyone on purpose. Those were due to circumstances of racing. Most my fault probably like me missing breaking point, getting too eager, etc. - when I said I was making up time it was not a justification for hitting people but rather the cause that made me commit errors. I took full responsibility for it and was not even aware of what it had occurred until I saw the replay. Heat of the moment kind of thing.

I race as clean as I can and expect the same. Either is not always possible after the light turns green on the track.

Now, calling me names, posting videos to denigrate me without knowing whether or not it was intentional, was totally uncalled for IMHO.

I share the same feelings for cheaters and dirty racers.

Hope you all have a great day!

Yeah, I think it has been, by you. Why didn’t you back off after the first contact? Why keep pushing and causing more contact? A “clean” racer waits for an opportunity to pass, they don’t force one. You may have apologized but you clearly don’t understand what you did wrong.

 

[John G]

Race starts and I'm dumped just before the chicane. Negotiating it was tricky with the log jam of cars. Off we go! I get to T1, brake where I was in qualy, and not much happened, brakes were no where near as effective as in qualifying, and not really enough speed for drafting to be an issue. I had to go off track to avoid a collision . The brakes seemed fine for qualy so I didn't look to see where I had them set.

Next couple of laps I ended up in front then having to concede because I was braking early, but still effectively dive bombing because I couldn't bloody stop ! I was struggling the whole race. I ended up slowly dropping down to P17 by the end of lap 3.

I have found i struggle at the start too - it's almost like i have cold tyres as i am missing apexes and running wide until ive done a lap or so. Probably just me being crap tho - but ive ended up driving quite conservative with braking points both for the first few laps and also the last few when the tyres are just starting to go off

 

[NevilleNobody]

Nah the starts are terrible, full grids and the system has lag i reakon, everyone seems like they are driving on ice.

 

[CurbHog]

This was a weird lobby. I started in 2nd with the guy behind with a one second gap.
After the tire change it was really hard to fight my way back. Watch the race edit here:

 

[Voodoovaj]

The two Ferraris non-stopped, but the 2nd place car went off, with a 15 second gap, on the last lap. We need mandatory stops.

Why?

Why take from the people who can and give to the people who cannot? This isn't the great communism simulator. This game rewards skill, which is why it's a compelling game. a "mandatory" stop just breaks the race into two B races.

This isn't some kind of exploit. It's not like terrible players are beating great players because they've found a cheat. Good players are lapping fast while conserving. Kudos to them for being able to do it. Also, it's not a 100% case. I was in a race this morning where the winner went all out in the R8, stopped, and then regained the lead.

I stated this earlier in this thread, but you need to go into time trial mode and show yourself EXACTLY how much faster you would be if you went all out over a lap where you were short shifting. I think you'd be surprised to find that burning all your fuel doesn't get you as far ahead as you think it does.

 

[Granadier]

Barriers were added to Eau Rouge as well as the bus stop chicane. Guess as a preemptive measure just in case. Didn't see any instance of people trying to cut there.

 

[NevilleNobody]

We have raced a few times I think.

Interesting video, you showed great patience early on when you could have gone up the inside of the Merc at the end of kemmel as the guy unghosted but held back for fear of a major trip up. Good call but it cost you like 4 laps behind the guy.

The Merc is a bugger to be behind because it gets on the power very well.

How bad are us D-Pad users, that Merc weas clearly a D-pad guy, you can tell by the flickity flickity flick way he drives .... man it's annoying looking at it from other peoples perspective.

This was a weird lobby. I started in 2nd with the guy behind with a one second gap.
After the tire change it was really hard to fight my way back. Watch the race edit here:

 

[NevilleNobody]

Why?

Why take from the people who can and give to the people who cannot? This isn't the great communism simulator. This game rewards skill, which is why it's a compelling game. a "mandatory" stop just breaks the race into two B races.

i fundamentally agree but a month or so ago, at seaside i think, they reduced the pit time by about 7 seconds and that REALLY made it interesting. Right now there is literally no way to be competitive if you stop, a soft tyre option would help that or reduce the pit time to really mix it up. Seaside turned into an absolute magic combo with the change as fuel sippers, tyre savers and all out guys converged in the last 2 laps.

 

[Groundfish]

Top o’ da mornin lads!
I stole a bit of time did mornin for coffee and qual.
I did try the 911 and hit 19.3 alfresco but kinda sloppy. I’m not really worried about it.
The merc netted 20.0 tcs3. Didn’t have much time on it.
I’ve enjoyed the stang so much on the alt I will continue racing it on alt as the go to.
I like learning by racing. It seems to have worked. It’s been nothing but fun as opposed to a solo lapping frenzy.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

i fundamentally agree but a month or so ago, at seaside i think, they reduced the pit time by about 7 seconds and that REALLY made it interesting. Right now there is literally no way to be competitive if you stop, a soft tyre option would help that or reduce the pit time to really mix it up. Seaside turned into an absolute magic combo with the change as fuel sippers, tyre savers and all out guys converged in the last 2 laps.

It would be best if there was mediums too, so the non-stoppers and the one-stoppers where a little closer. But it should always be just a little better to no-stop or there would be no incentive at all to conserve fuel and tires.

 

[Invisigoth]

I stated this earlier in this thread, but you need to go into time trial mode and show yourself EXACTLY how much faster you would be if you went all out over a lap where you were short shifting. I think you'd be surprised to find that burning all your fuel doesn't get you as far ahead as you think it does.

That's more or less what I do, but at my level it's less about looking to see how much time difference there is and more about seeing if using higher gears cornering if I can still keep it on the track, or if I need to pull a Hail Mary in a lower gear to make the turn .

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Why?

Why take from the people who can and give to the people who cannot? This isn't the great communism simulator. This game rewards skill, which is why it's a compelling game. a "mandatory" stop just breaks the race into two B races.

This isn't some kind of exploit. It's not like terrible players are beating great players because they've found a cheat. Good players are lapping fast while conserving. Kudos to them for being able to do it. Also, it's not a 100% case. I was in a race this morning where the winner went all out in the R8, stopped, and then regained the lead.

I stated this earlier in this thread, but you need to go into time trial mode and show yourself EXACTLY how much faster you would be if you went all out over a lap where you were short shifting. I think you'd be surprised to find that burning all your fuel doesn't get you as far ahead as you think it does.

It is because of accelerated tire wear / fuel use making some cars largely irrelevant in C races. If the pit stop speed was also x5 or x7 or x13, then sure no problem. A mandatory stop doesn't break the race into two B races. Fuel saving will still give you an advantage in pit stop time, as well as not changing tires. And the strategy will be when to pit, not pick a car with the best mileage.

 

[doblocruiser]

I stated this earlier in this thread, but you need to go into time trial mode and show yourself EXACTLY how much faster you would be if you went all out over a lap where you were short shifting. I think you'd be surprised to find that burning all your fuel doesn't get you as far ahead as you think it does.

I can't match my qualifying time with the laps where I fuelsave. They are about 3 to 4 seconds a drift. Both Peugeot VGT and Citroen on a very low 2.19. I will stick with the splash and dash for those cars.

Here is the video from this morning. First time I did the complete race from cockpitview. Well from the Citroën one that is. I find it so bloody scary that I don't use it a lot. Visability isn't the greatest. Imagine that view with rain.....

 

[Groundfish]

Re fuel, I find the shift lights in cockpit very helpful.
I agree with @Voodoovaj hit apexes no bobbles and double steering and you can carry more speed.
I think many say mid b would be surprised at gr3 how carrying more speed is exponential going faster cars accept more loud pedal.

 

[sturk0167]

Ever seen someone get hit because they got in between two people who were fighting?

Yeah, that was me yesterday at Spa.

Here's the clip I was talking about. Sven wasn't exactly pleased with the guy who knocked him off line in consecutive corners. I guess my blue triangle on his radar looked just like the other guy's. I was laughing so much I could hardly drive.

 

[NevilleNobody]

i fundamentally agree but a month or so ago, at seaside i think, they reduced the pit time by about 7 seconds and that REALLY made it interesting. Right now there is literally no way to be competitive if you stop, a soft tyre option would help that or reduce the pit time to really mix it up. Seaside turned into an absolute magic combo with the change as fuel sippers, tyre savers and all out guys converged in the last 2 laps.

Here is an example from that race, go to the start of lap 7 (13 minute mark of the video). There's a mix of fuel sipping NSX, tyre savers and guys who stopped. it was brilliant.

 

[Velhadas]

Why?

Why take from the people who can and give to the people who cannot? This isn't the great communism simulator. This game rewards skill, which is why it's a compelling game. a "mandatory" stop just breaks the race into two B races.

This isn't some kind of exploit. It's not like terrible players are beating great players because they've found a cheat. Good players are lapping fast while conserving. Kudos to them for being able to do it. Also, it's not a 100% case. I was in a race this morning where the winner went all out in the R8, stopped, and then regained the lead.

I stated this earlier in this thread, but you need to go into time trial mode and show yourself EXACTLY how much faster you would be if you went all out over a lap where you were short shifting. I think you'd be surprised to find that burning all your fuel doesn't get you as far ahead as you think it does.

I agree with pretty much everything you said, but the race should be at least 2 laps longer (with a smaller fuel depletion multiplier). 8 laps don't give much of a chance to a 1 stop strategy if the non stoppers aren't that much off pace. The pit stop takes too long. Even if you're saving fuel, you won't be losing 15 seconds over a 8 lap race, unless you're really off the pace. It's cool having 2 possible strategies, but this race is too short for the time a pit stop takes.

 

[Silver_Wolf]

So I want to do Race C at Spa but I feel I am in nowhere land when it comes to hooking together a good lap.

I know the meta before the reset was the Audi R8 but the best time I managed with this was a 2:23 and I have a friend who
went faster in the GT-R at 2:21 and another friend who used the Genesis and did a 2:20 (no shortcut cheating before anyone
asks).

In time trail with no BOP I am making an average 2:22 but cannot hook it together in the actual race qualifying with BOP.

So any suggestions?

 

[Groundfish]

So I want to do Race C at Spa but I feel I am in nowhere land when it comes to hooking together a good lap.

I know the meta before the reset was the Audi R8 but the best time I managed with this was a 2:23 and I have a friend who
went faster in the GT-R at 2:21 and another friend who used the Genesis and did a 2:20 (no shortcut cheating before anyone
asks).

In time trail with no BOP I am making an average 2:22 but cannot hook it together in the actual race qualifying with BOP.

So any suggestions?

Use merc plus tcs3 plus line cones etc.
Line is important. Carry speed.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

So I want to do Race C at Spa but I feel I am in nowhere land when it comes to hooking together a good lap.

I know the meta before the reset was the Audi R8 but the best time I managed with this was a 2:23 and I have a friend who
went faster in the GT-R at 2:21 and another friend who used the Genesis and did a 2:20 (no shortcut cheating before anyone
asks).

In time trail with no BOP I am making an average 2:22 but cannot hook it together in the actual race qualifying with BOP.

So any suggestions?

Try turning on race line and go into qualifying, then run and run and run. Practice is what helps connecting the dots, or the whole lap. If you only run between races it won't be enough. And TT Vs qualify is different, different grip etc

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Ever seen someone get hit because they got in between two people who were fighting?

Yeah, that was me yesterday at Spa.

Here's the clip I was talking about. Sven wasn't exactly pleased with the guy who knocked him off line in consecutive corners. I guess my blue triangle on his radar looked just like the other guy's. I was laughing so much I could hardly drive.

Haha, now I can't stop laughing. I never realized I was hitting you while trying to avoid the car that hit me

Oops

I'm not having much success with dirty driving as you could tell from the other time I brake checked a car and ended up spinning into the dug out Good times.

Btw Z4 is not bad, 4th place finish, easy on fuel, stable, CRB!

 

[doblocruiser]

Ever seen someone get hit because they got in between two people who were fighting?

That is hilareous indeed

.....

Qualifying after patch: Peugeot vs Citroën


I'll stop spamming now...

 

[MhtyClipster]

Darth try the Merc its better than the R8 on tires and fuel for me at least, the Audi is good for setting a hot lap though...
As for fuel saving for race C, I am down in DR C and pretty much everyone pits at this level. [Its just a different game compared to up at the higher ranks]
I'm rubbish at saving fuel anyhow and just use the map
Fuel 2 though corners helps save the tires a bit, I can just pit for fuel and make the tires last but for me changing them is better as I am more consistent on newer rubber.