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darth_tails
So I want to do Race C at Spa but I feel I am in nowhere land when it comes to hooking together a good lap.

In time trail with no BOP I am making an average 2:22 but cannot hook it together in the actual race qualifying with BOP.

So any suggestions?
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Pouhon. I guarantee you're losing a solid second through there, brake a touch earlier and get on the gas really hard through the rest of the corner. Try something with a solid back end too, like the vette or Merc. R8 is twitchy.
 
Pigems
I’ll ask you again then, why do you feel that “your” race is more important than anyone else’s race on the track? Just because you made a mistake and fell behind doesn’t give you the right to barge my your way back through the field.
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In A S the behavior you ran across will be an immediate punt response from me.
I’ll take the pen all day.
It’s like dog training.
 
Groundfish
One thing not often talked about is fuel weight.
Race c several times Ive podium in Mustang just splashing gas lap seven.
Tires should be alright if you don’t push.
Staying out you’re out of traffic and car gets lighter each lap...
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Yeah late shifting is a tactic when there is plenty fuel for the entire race. Full throttle before auto drive. It's often talked about in the FIA thread I bet. Qualifying there means burning as much fuel as possible before a hot lap.

Ideally you should be able to set your start amount of fuel before the race to even things out. Fuel weight is the equalizer. Actually at first tank sizes ranged from 80 to 130 liters before PD standardized them all to 100 liters to even out fuel intake times.

My old tests on Sarthe with AT show how unbalanced it is:

Toyota TS050 5.0 laps
Toyota TS030 4.5 laps
GTR-LM Nismo 4.4 laps
Peugeot 908 HDi 4.4 laps
SRT Tomahawk 4.4 laps
Nissan R92CP 4.3 laps
Audi R18 '16 4.2 laps
Porsche 919 4.1 laps
Audi VGT 4.0 laps
Alpine VGT 4.0 laps
Mazda LM55 4.0 laps
Bugatti VGT 3.9 laps
Jaguar XJR-9 3.8 laps
Sauber C9 3.7 laps
Peugeot L750R 3.7 laps
Hyundai N 2025 3.6 laps
McLaren VGT 3.6 laps
Mazda 787B 3.5 laps
Audi R18 '11 3.5 laps
 
Yesterday, I thought I'd try doing a few Daily Cs in the Citroen, after watching @doblocruiser's no-stop run and following @breeminator's recommendation for its fuel economy. Wasn't concerned about outright pace compared to other A-ranked drivers; my main aims were to sample the combo in case today's update brought any BoP changes and to race consistently around Spa, as I don't remember it being one of my strongest circuits in other games.

Took part in the following four races that afternoon, each on a similar no-stop strategy to doblocruiser but with more fuel mix adjustments:

15:30 - Qualified 16th, finished 12th despite picking up a 0.5 second penalty for running too wide at Campus curve. Also had a brief moment where I braked early for Les Combes and got rammed by a Subaru wearing @Thorin Cain's LEC #40 livery (don't worry Thorin, it wasn't you!). Decided to let the Subaru past and intended to apologise to him, but forgot.

16:00 - Initially qualified 15th, but was promoted to 14th when someone dropped out prior to the start. Lost a few places early on after getting slipstreamed by an F1 GTR and forced onto the runoff at Blanchimont (sorry breeminator, I got that mixed up with La Source! :dunce:). While I managed to avoid a penalty then, I ended up getting one anyway after running wide and cutting through Eau Rouge/Raidillon. Shot up from 15th to 12th on the last lap, following intense scrapping up front and a pass around the outside of an Audi at the final chicane.

16:30 - Started 16th again, followed an orange Supra around for the majority of the race. Got a strong run on said Supra to La Source on Lap 4/5, but he responded by getting an even better run up to Kemmel Straight. Had a terrible lapse of judgment by planting the Citroen in the middle of the road, forcing the Supra into the barrier as he tried to go round the outside of me at the kink. Let the Supra back past at Les Combes and apologised to him afterwards. Finished 13th, setting a new personal fastest race lap of 2:20.561 in the process.

17:00 - Improved my qualifying time to a 2:19.175, though could only start 16th once again. Ran very wide at Les Combes on the first lap, then had my TV signal cut out as I was braking for Bruxelles on Lap 3. Thankfully, it returned just as I was in the process of running wide, and was able to keep going. Had my best runs through Eau Rouge/Raidillon of the quartet, and eventually salvaged 12th after catching up with a four-car scrap for 9th.

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While I didn't have the pace to seriously challenge for top 10 finishes, the Citroen felt very comfortable to drive on the no-stop - more so than when I last used it in Sport Mode - and I believe my consistency around Spa is beginning to improve. My individual lap times kept getting better with every race, and I'm honestly pleased to have survived each race with nothing more than a few mistakes or penalties like the ones mentioned above.

Looking forward to seeing what I can do in the Audi...
 
Sven Jurgens
Yeah late shifting is a tactic when there is plenty fuel for the entire race. Full throttle before auto drive. It's often talked about in the FIA thread I bet. Qualifying there means burning as much fuel as possible before a hot lap.
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Yeah, with the Mustang I play it by ear, if I slip in behind a fast car I’m happy to shift almost before the light on rev is on.
Torque plus slipstream.
Also another point.
When in slipstream coming into brake zone you can lift throttle way way early.
I see many users intent on full throttle until last possible second.
The car isn’t accelerating much at all at the end of a straight.
Brakes are for adjusting speed.
Far more important to enter the turns at the right speed...
When I am pressuring one thing I always do is lift and coast. In this manner I have best chance they will be nervous and screw up, and also it’s best way to get a solid run...
Racing is very psychological.

Mad respect to the lambo driver last night.

He did not falter under heavy pressure for seven laps of me on him like glue.

Sometimes you just have to tip your cap to the better racer...
 
Pigems
The Old Mercedes is really good on fuel and tires, I was shifting at between 25% and 50% on the bar and it left more than enough fuel to go near full out on the last lap. I really liked it for the race. :)
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Try the 'Vette, too. That thing likes short shifting anyway. Easy no stop shifting as soon as you see the bar. It'll easily keep up in a straight line, with a draft.

Torque is king.
 
Velhadas
I agree with pretty much everything you said, but the race should be at least 2 laps longer (with a smaller fuel depletion multiplier). 8 laps don't give much of a chance to a 1 stop strategy if the non stoppers aren't that much off pace. The pit stop takes too long. Even if you're saving fuel, you won't be losing 15 seconds over a 8 lap race, unless you're really off the pace. It's cool having 2 possible strategies, but this race is too short for the time a pit stop takes.
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Well, that's a different topic. I've felt that some of the Race B events have been too short as well. I think PD has gotten too tied up in balancing the XP gain/hour and have made the events adhere to some calculation based on this metric rather than making an interesting event.

Personally, seeing as the XP is a completely pointless progress item, as in who really cares about it, they shouldn't be putting so much weight into it. For instance, I am at level 48.....and that gets me absolutely no benefit in this game whatsoever. Now, there is an argument to be made that your DR and SR are greatly affected by race length, but again, so be it.

So, yes, I agree the event should be longer to HELP with a 1 stop strategy, but seeing as I've been beaten both ways, I can't say it's really that imbalanced. Also, to that point, why stop? Why is the stop so important to people in a short race? I like the idea of stops, in general, but they belong in longer races rather than playing with depletion rates. For instance, I would set the FIA events to be weekly endurance events every once in a while rather than FIA sanctioned events. Especially during those weeks where there are no events. Or make the FIA events a separate section altogether and give us two endurance events, one 30 minute, and one 60 minute.

Put Race C is simply about resource management. That is what sets it apart from Race A and B. Those races are simply about racing with no other care. Race C however, is about pace under pressure. So, manage your resources as you like. People are deluding themselves into thinking that forcing everyone to stop would improve their finishing results. If those fast drivers had to follow the same strategy, they'd just win under that strategy. an enforced strategy does sprinkle magic pixie dust on bad drivers.

Here is the last lap of my last race. I don't know how anyone can see this as anything except balls to the wall racing.
 
Sven Jurgens
I missed the spa race at 7:30, toured around Tokyo to kill time with 7 entries from SR.S to SR.B. Popular race. I got 3 SR Downs from the draft bumper behind me, still blue S. The one bumping me into the wall to get a penalty, also blue S. Lots of SR at race A this week.

Spa up next. It's gonna suck after the reset. I'm probably not getting to start anywhere near last :/ Thanks cheaters. CRB is usually gone in the first chicane when I have cars starting behind me...

Oh nvm, people fixed that quick. Only one non qualifier starting in front of me. Last, oh yeah! CRB in the bag. (maybe, starting 15th, all SR.S at least) 7th in the FT-1 VGT, bad on fuel. low 2:25 high 2:24 best lap no stop, CRB!
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in America ? Nothing is reset for i even saw a Mexican in 3rd pl of top ten time made after update we see the barrier and is car go trough it lolllllll ?
 
Voodoovaj
So, yes, I agree the event should be longer to HELP with a 1 stop strategy, but seeing as I've been beaten both ways, I can't say it's really that imbalanced. Also, to that point, why stop? Why is the stop so important to people in a short race?
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I've never, ever seen anyone win race C at DRB and above if they stop. It's not IMPORTANT for me to stop but I like the idea of mixed strategies, it helps create good battles if it's balanced. i just don't think it is. Evenly matched A driver stopping vs one no stopping is going to lose 9 times from 10.
 
@VulcanSpirit thanks for the watch and happy to hear she served you well 👍

Been running with/without stop and there isn't really a winner between them. Dépends on how the race evolved. Stuck behind an equal player/group, safe fuel and follow. Use chances on their stops or their errors. If you have more room to speed up, run with one quick pitstop. Times never differ that much. Tires aren't an issue at all so that gains a lot of time if you stop. To bad PD didn't add the tires in the mix.

Truth is: less and less pitstops seen throughout the races....
 
I’ve seen r8 and amg both win from pole mid high dr b with pit. R8 2-3 wins maybe
Faaast players though chewing up tires to get those times...
I dunno. In daily or FIA I do same thing. If softer is available I use to start. But, I am conservative. Do it to avoid mayhem from others. Then I go pretty flat as long as I can...
I’m not much on strategy being set beforehand. The more both strategies are available the more dynamic choices get (race dependent)
Sometimes you need to push sometimes lug.
Sometimes it’s better to pit early and get out of traffic...
Usually after a race or two the viable strat will become clear.
Clearly though some people are really good at strategizing tho. I usually play it by ear go fast and try to pit only if required.
 
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Granadier
Any car that starts at pole shouldn’t really be used to judge it’s effectiveness imo.
With the way the rolling start is setup at Spa right now you could probably take the win in a Fiat 500 starting pole.
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Imagine all the cars diving if it was any other way...
I dunno, I like it because slower cars won’t get that chance...
Anyhow, good luck all out there...meetings over finally I can go to work today lol.
See you out there tonight hopefully.
 
Gave the Z4 a go at Spa - you can go really deep in on the brakes with that thing! But it's more thirsty than the RSR - i was on 0% fuel before the bus stop change, just about crossed the line before running out (with another guy very close behind).

RSR I'm getting the hang of with short shifting, sometimes I'm revving it out to catch and slipstream others in front which seems to help. Managed a 21.3 fuel save lap compared to 20.9 quali just from slipstreaming and tucking in the whole way round.
 
I'm taking a trip to SR.B, too dirty in SR.S atm. I got bumped off 5+ time with some BS penalties. The same old push the other car off, wide track limits, SR Down for getting bumped over the slippery kerbs. "I thought you would lift" excuse. Sure, I'll just get out of your way while you drive like I'm not half a car ahead of you at turn in.

Peugeot VGT, plenty fuel, slower cornering speed, delivering a trip to SR.B.

Yup, 3rd place finish with CRB, much cleaner in SR.B right now. I guess the bad apples bob back and forth between SR.S and SR.B.
 
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Tried out the FT-1 at Spa and wasn't impressed. It's pretty bad on fuel. I had to drop all the way to FM6 at Kemmel Straight for a few laps and FM3 - FM2 on the final lap to save my race. Averaged 2:24 - 25 lap times. It's great to drive around (I did't need to lift at Eau Rouge!) and one of my favourites but too slow for me. For contrast, I manage 2:22 - 2:23 times in the 4C.

I was in the naughty SR S room so having someone right at my bumper who looked like they were going to punt me off at every opportunity while trying to push and save fuel was kind of nerveracking. I finished 9th despite being slow.

Interesting thing was an FT-1 started on pole and won although I forgot to save the replay. Maybe he stopped instead.
 
Watched a bit of Fraga's race C stream earlier and pleased to see it's just as ****ed up for him. Idiots everywhere, which guarantees penalties.

I need to swap cars for the race, I've got into a rhythm with the AMG which is probably stifling improvements. Did win one off 15th last night, but that was in the nursery to be fair.
 
I am baffled how people can waiste their tires in this race. I've driven the VGT, RCZ and Citroën and none have any issues with tires. What cars give problems with tires or is it mostly rubbing the rubber :irked: to much? Drivingstyle really of influence?

@Sven Jurgens tell me if you have that strange sound First gear coming out of the slow hairpin. Would like to know if I am not imagining things :lol:
 
EMEA times were reset as soon as I'd got the update done this morning, quite like how they've blocked off the shortcut too, hardly notice it when driving around. Although the same can't be said for the Eau Rouge slip road!

I've done a few new qualy laps, I'll get that Lambo into the 17s if it kills me (which is has done a few times!)!!

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darth_tails
So I want to do Race C at Spa but I feel I am in nowhere land when it comes to hooking together a good lap.

I know the meta before the reset was the Audi R8 but the best time I managed with this was a 2:23 and I have a friend who
went faster in the GT-R at 2:21 and another friend who used the Genesis and did a 2:20 (no shortcut cheating before anyone
asks).

In time trail with no BOP I am making an average 2:22 but cannot hook it together in the actual race qualifying with BOP.

So any suggestions?
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Very hard to say without seeing a lap but will have a go based on what you've said!

If you're in the 22s (it sounds harsh to say but...) it's not the car so don't worry about one car your mate is driving going around faster than your lap, just pick a car you're very comfortable with and start there. It's far better extracting 95% of the speed from a slower car every lap than 94% from a faster car that you struggle with. If you have TCS on, it would definitely be worth being able to turn it off for some sections (such as just after Stavelot) and other than that it'll be the lines. Make sure you get the car pointing in the right direction very early around La Source and the final hairpin so you can get on the power as soon as possible. Spa also has a lot of consecutive corners where exit speed from the final corner is key so it's worth sacrificing speed going into a section to maximise your exits. Les Combes at the top of the hill is a prime example. You could take the right-left quite quick but you'll be out of position for the right at Malmedy and that's where the time can be won or lost in that little sequence of corners

Then just practice it! Watching track guides helps a lot when it comes to braking points and knowing when to push and when to make sure you're on the right line

Good luck! 👍
 
doblocruiser
I am baffled how people can waiste their tires in this race. I've driven the VGT, RCZ and Citroën and none have any issues with tires. What cars give problems with tires or is it mostly rubbing the rubber :irked: to much? Drivingstyle really of influence?

@Sven Jurgens tell me if you have that strange sound First gear coming out of the slow hairpin. Would like to know if I am not imagining things :lol:
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I play with the sound very low and the tv on :/ I only really notice the annoying hoover sound from the GT-R :lol:

Tires are only a problem for me with the usual candidates, Ferrari and Huracan. Not a big issue, just feel unstable in the last couple laps. Yet some people take frequent gravel trips, go wide everywhere, cut the inside, or go for a spin burning tires.
 
I've been fairly successful at SPA and now I've been bumped to DR A for the first time in 2 years since I bought the game...

I've always felt I had the raw pace to be a solid A driver, but my objective in the game was never to improve my DR... I bought the game specifically to improve my race craft...

I've long relied on the unpredictability of B drivers to improve my reaction times in situations I'm not necessarily expecting...

So every time I got near A, I'd just slow my pace down a bit...
This week I can't bring myself to do that.. Love this track too much..

Voodoovaj
This isn't the great communism simulator.
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NevilleNobody
that Merc weas clearly a D-pad guy, you can tell by the flickity flickity flick way he drives.
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Also this sub is absolutely hilarious :lol::gtpflag:
 
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