"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Groundfish]

I’m a glutton for punishment as well.
I don’t restart repeatedly very often. I try never to, but come on it happens.
David Perel recommended finishing every lap and I think there’s benefit to that so I started doing it.
I find if I do the infinite restart thing it can result in problems when entering.
Jmo ymmv

 

[NevilleNobody]

I have in fact been chasing you for the last while lol

I know my way around the track, and really enjoy it actually. But i am certainly not fast here and still trying to get to pace in race cars. Following you is helping, if i can get the downhill nailed i am pretty sure i can beat your time. You really are on rails through there though lol

I am with him through griffins but then he loses me through the cutting and I never see him again.

 

[250Cal]

I think the Megane used to be faster. It has had BoP nerfs.

 

[PR1VATEJ0KER]

Something suspicious about the leaderboards on race A.
Hope they fix this

 

[Voodoovaj]

I think they are trying to improve players skill.
Last time we had this one I tried it and concluded it was far too frustrating.

I think that's giving them too much credit. Aside from that, player skill would be just as well served, if not more so, with the cars being completely stock. As they say, it's more fun to drive a slow car fast than a fast car slow, I would say that applies to increasing your skill as well.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I think the Megane used to be faster. It has had BoP nerfs.

It still ruins the racing at bathurst. I can get a better exit, way better exit actually, be right on their bumper and they STILL pull away. It's infuriating. it also encourages dive bombing as one will be a full half second behind at the elbow and close enough at the chance to take a look and it ends in tears.

 

[sturk0167]

David Perel recommended finishing every lap

That advice is antiquated. Before penalty zones, it made a lot more sense. I also followed that advice.

But, now consider this scenario: A couple of weeks ago, we had a race at Suzuka East. That track's only penalty zone is right before the start/finish line. If you end up going a bit too low at the last turn and get a penalty, your lap won't count. Then, at the end of the next lap, you'll be slowed down, ruining that lap. And then, you'll be starting that 3rd lap at too slow of a speed, because you were slowed down right before the starting line.

So, if you make that error at the end of lap 1, it won't be until lap 4 that you can hope to have a competitive time.

Not as much of a problem on tracks with multiple penalty zones.

That's why I usually restart a Q lap when I get a penalty. 👍

 

[Pigems]

Same here @sturk0167 I used to always finish my laps and do long sessions, but now if I can’t start the lap at full speed I reset. What really bugs me is tracks where you can’t set a proper time on lap 1 because of where you start.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I am with him through griffins but then he loses me through the cutting and I never see him again.

On this note, how do you guys stay so high through the cutting? i apex the first left then as soon as i try to go wide so i can apex the second left, i roll up into the wall WITHOUT FAIL. So i take a narrower line and get EATEN ALIVE through the second left by other drivers.

 

[sturk0167]

Same here @sturk0167 I used to always finish my laps and do long sessions, but now if I can’t start the lap at full speed I reset. What really bugs me is tracks where you can set a proper time on lap 1 because of where you start.

Yup. I watched a video where Fraga was doing an instructional video for Gr.4 at Big Willow. He made a U -turn at the beginning, so he could start his lap with more speed.

 

[sdi_03]

Managed to sneak in to the 2:10s at race A
Optimum was 2:09.9xx

2:10.792 BB-3 at T1 to T3, -5 for the rest



Now pretty please for PD make the steering angle adjustable thru menus. You can adjust the speed of a pad, why no steering adjustment???
Yes, it can be adjusted from the wheel, but you need to do it every time you restart.
And why to adjust? Well, lets just say, that my q-time would not be no where near that 2:10 with stock steering. Counter steering is just impossible with slow steering.

 

[golfer07840]

OK, I need to say this so that it gets out into the community and the word spreads.

STOP SPINNING OUT AS YOU CROSS THE FINISH LINE!!! YOU ARE RUINING THE RACE FOR OTHER PEOPLE!

Simply put, when someone spins across the line, the yellow flag comes out. No passing is allowed. Plenty of people are still racing to the line. Even if they manage to cross the line without having a penalty levied against them, the mere yellow flag warning is enough to make them lift.

Whenever I see this happen, I think to myself, "what a numb skull".

I posted this same sentiment on the activity feed in game and I hope it gets around. It's annoying AF.

Funny, I've passed a ton during yellow flags and never a penalty. I've seen @Sven Jurgens post about getting this really obscure penalty. But heaven forbid, if a car turns into me, bounces off and goes off the road, *I* get the penalty.

Weird game.

 

[doblocruiser]

How can anyone want to get rid of the cones?

Well me Simple reason being I am stubborn, want to learn the track by myself and don't want to be dependend of those great helps. Which I truly think they are. 👍

 

[NosOsH]

Managed to sneak in to the 2:10s at race A
Optimum was 2:09.9xx

2:10.792 BB-3 at T1 to T3, -5 for the rest



Now pretty please for PD make the steering angle adjustable thru menus. You can adjust the speed of a pad, why no steering adjustment???
Yes, it can be adjusted from the wheel, but you need to do it every time you restart.
And why to adjust? Well, lets just say, that my q-time would not be no where near that 2:10 with stock steering. Counter steering is just impossible with slow steering.

Agreed, especially with karts, they are actually much more manageable with a 180 or 270 degree rotation like they would in real life. Dunno what the rotation would be in like say gr3 orformula car, but the option to use the real or an adjusted setting would be awesome, also if it would stay where you set it and be adjustable in the pause menu, even in a race. I mean come on its a game, give us more options! ALL THE OPTIONS!!

 

[05XR8]

I only had time for a no qualifying race at Panorama yesterday. I'm going to need to put a lot of laps in a that track before I can be competitive. That down hill section through the esses kills me. The Megane isn't going to be the car for me there because I lose the back end somewhere in that down hill section every lap. As a new player, my Gr. 4 cars are limited to the Megane, the 86, and the Scirocco I have from my racing contract. Maybe I'll have to buy a couple new ones to try.

Either way though, I'm hoping I have time for Race C tonight. This week is pretty busy...I don't think I'll be able to hot lap as much as I did last week, so I think I'll probably be back to a DR C/D before the week is up.

I seem to recall in the past that @05XR8 had some success at a variety of tracks with the Scirocco. The fake6 should be pretty good through the twisties but I think it lacks punch on the straits.

Maybe I'll revisit the Scirocket and see how it goes. It definitely has the best off-throttle turn in of any Gr.4. Will reach 270-274 km/h with a good exit from Forest's Elbow down Conrod, without drafting, just before braking. Best to use 3rd gear even in slow corners, that's its weapon for good acceleration.

Atenza is a weird one. I love that car, but sometimes I can't get it to turn off-throttle. Just after corner entry, the car loves to get early on the throttle for it to power through the apex and out of the corner. Just trying to slow and coast at the apex, makes the car understeer and you're waiting... waiting... waiting for it to turn, so you can accelerate.

 

[Groundfish]

On this note, how do you guys stay so high through the cutting? i apex the first left then as soon as i try to go wide so i can apex the second left, i roll up into the wall WITHOUT FAIL. So i take a narrower line and get EATEN ALIVE through the second left by other drivers.

That’s a very difficult area,
Camber in the track makes it so there’s a point of no return where if you don’t slow enough early enough the front tires will be overloaded (understeer) and ending wide is so easy to do.
That’s a tricky section. For me in race I let off before the first apex to ensure I don’t carry too much speed on entry.
The key there is getting a strong run up the hill.
Doing the wider line is very risky.
You can hit it running much tighter also and do well but then it’s very hard to turn in as hard as you need to. Gotta trust it.
That’s a difficult section...The main objective is getting a good run up the hill.
I know for me for months I would be too conservative and overslow the car, but then the rears are overloaded when you are trying to accelerate on exit and the car slides.
If you are pushing the point when the yellow line straightens is your braking but you have to Also come off brake soon enough to get the thing turned in.
A little wide at any point and you’re done.


Re qual, yes you guys are certainly correct. For me it’s a case of finding consistency more than anything. Plus dealing with mistakes.
Like in race is in race not every lap goes how you want.
Plus personal issue here I tend to pay attention to say a turn one somewhere the next time around better if I have to run a whole lap before trying again.

 

[250Cal]

Leaderboard for Race A will get reset so I've not pursued my 2:08.4 Opt with any great intent. Still done my mileage allowance though. I think people are maybe overdriving it. Here's a pretty sedate looking 2:09.2 I did.

 

[Keith2324]

I use the racing line mostly for drafting. If the car ahead of me is a millimeter off left or right, I want to be in the same position to maximize the "suck'.

 

[sturk0167]

STOP SPINNING OUT AS YOU CROSS THE FINISH LINE!!!

Unless you're gonna do it with 1 lap to go. That's comedy gold!
I saw some idiot do it at Maggiore once while leading the race. I had trouble finishing the final lap, because I was laughing so much.
He got a penalty for hitting the wall, too.
Unfortunately that was before I knew about saving the replays.
Not everyone out there can count to 5.

 

[DelboyD]

I’m all for more variety in races but I like to stick with cars for a while to see how much I can get out of them. So I would not like that at all.

I do think you should be forced to race with whatever car you qualified in though. Then maybe we would see a bit more variety.

I’d definitely support a “race the car you set your qually time in” rule.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I’d definitely support a “race the car you set your qually time in” rule.

No, you'd just get the same car driven by everyone, you'd get less variety.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

No, you'd just get the same car driven by everyone, you'd get less variety.

Perhaps less accidents as well. People starting too high for their qualifying time are dangerous road blocks. Although then you get more people starting from the back when trying a different car.

 

[250Cal]

No, you'd just get the same car driven by everyone, you'd get less variety.

I think you'd get a blend with those who valued race pace over start position.

 

[Voodoovaj]

I’d definitely support a “race the car you set your qually time in” rule.

BORING

I set a qualifying time, then I am imprisoned to that car for the entire week? Talk about crap.

I would rather the complete opposite. They apply shuffle so you go ahead and qualify in one car, and then you have to race something different. I would even rather they have a spec qualifying car, so everyone has to qualify in the exact same car. AND THEN, shuffle race.

People need a reality check. If someone has qualified ahead of you, and you think it's B.S., go and qualify FASTER. Guess what? That's what the rest of us do.

 

[DelboyD]

BORING

I set a qualifying time, then I am imprisoned to that car for the entire week? Talk about crap.

I would rather the complete opposite. They apply shuffle so you go ahead and qualify in one car, and then you have to race something different. I would even rather they have a spec qualifying car, so everyone has to qualify in the exact same car. AND THEN, shuffle race.

People need a reality check. If someone has qualified ahead of you, and you think it's B.S., go and qualify FASTER. Guess what? That's what the rest of us do.

No, you could set a better qually time in a different car. But that car might be more difficult to be consistent in.

 

[Groundfish]

BORING

I set a qualifying time, then I am imprisoned to that car for the entire week? Talk about crap.

I would rather the complete opposite. They apply shuffle so you go ahead and qualify in one car, and then you have to race something different. I would even rather they have a spec qualifying car, so everyone has to qualify in the exact same car. AND THEN, shuffle race.

People need a reality check. If someone has qualified ahead of you, and you think it's B.S., go and qualify FASTER. Guess what? That's what the rest of us do.

I agree but I am going to follow with my biggest pet peeve in this whole game which is UNLIMITED qualifying time.
UNLIMITED restart attempts.
I’d love it and play much more sport mode if there was some time limit or attempt limit on qual.
I play a LOT but even I have trouble moving up the qual board against the times by the end of the week.
I dunno. I might catch a ton of flak for this and qual hotlaps are fun for me TO A POINT.
There’s a point to me where I think we focus on getting that time so much...
I think more people would have more fun if the game gave you x qual attempts per race and then you are locked in.
Dirt Rally 2 has these daily challenges and they are great fun restarting is locked out so it’s one shot you against the universe.

 

[05XR8]

It'd be like Manufacturers races. Or pretty much real life. I mean, if that's what GT Sport is going for.

In this case, test a few cars in free practice and set a time before joining a race, to lock in a time with that specific car.

Players will be using the Megane all week anyway. May as well lock in a car you enjoy for the week.

 

[250Cal]

I agree but I am going to follow with my biggest pet peeve in this whole game which is UNLIMITED qualifying time.
UNLIMITED restart attempts.
I’d love it and play much more sport mode if there was some time limit or attempt limit on qual.
I play a LOT but even I have trouble moving up the qual board against the times by the end of the week.
I dunno. I might catch a ton of flak for this and qual hotlaps are fun for me TO A POINT.
There’s a point to me where I think we focus on getting that time so much...
I think more people would have more fun if the game gave you x qual attempts per race and then you are locked in.

No worries. Now let's remove all driver aids, including all the car related TCS etc and game based guide lines, "brake" graphics, line indicators and cones.

FIA has limited qually time, most of the same people are at the front.

 

[sundaydriving]

I agree but I am going to follow with my biggest pet peeve in this whole game which is UNLIMITED qualifying time.
UNLIMITED restart attempts.
I’d love it and play much more sport mode if there was some time limit or attempt limit on qual.
I play a LOT but even I have trouble moving up the qual board against the times by the end of the week.
I dunno. I might catch a ton of flak for this and qual hotlaps are fun for me TO A POINT.
There’s a point to me where I think we focus on getting that time so much...
I think more people would have more fun if the game gave you x qual attempts per race and then you are locked in.

I have to disagree on the time limit. Unlimited qualifying isn't harming anyone. Do FIA if you wanted limited quali - and even then some players practise days in advance.

However I do agree that people can spend too much time qualifying. Personally, I think people should qualify with what they think is a good lap, do some races, discover where they might be slower or faster than other players take what they've learnt and if they want to race more, do a bit more qualifying, repeat. At the top end the qualifying position can make a huge difference.

 

[sturk0167]

I agree but I am going to follow with my biggest pet peeve in this whole game which is UNLIMITED qualifying time.
UNLIMITED restart attempts.
I’d love it and play much more sport mode if there was some time limit or attempt limit on qual.
I play a LOT but even I have trouble moving up the qual board against the times by the end of the week.
I dunno. I might catch a ton of flak for this and qual hotlaps are fun for me TO A POINT.
There’s a point to me where I think we focus on getting that time so much...
I think more people would have more fun if the game gave you x qual attempts per race and then you are locked in.
Dirt Rally 2 has these daily challenges and they are great fun restarting is locked out so it’s one shot you against the universe.

No Q laps would work for me.
Pretty soon I'm gonna talk PD into doing a Weekly D race, where the cars and tracks are shuffled. You don't know what or where you're racing until you enter. Probably only people with alt accounts would do it. 👍

Or, we can go back to daily races. Not much time for Q.
It was never really an issue when we had 3 new races every day.