"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Dairyworker]

Just wanted to say race A can go walk itself straight off a cliff. When it's that hard to drive anything, it is no fun. Gonna try my hand at race b, just some laps for now...

 

[Granadier]

I don't believe that there is any shame in having the cones on. It's the only consistent braking marker. In some places, there is essentially no landmark to use as a braking marker. In others, the landmark is too far off track. That leaves you to do it by feel.

If a high level player, or pro racer, can show my how the cones are not beneficial, I'll continue to use them.

The cones are beneficial, simple as that. But the benefit comes with the downside of being reliant on a marker that can be moved is all I was meaning in my message. That and the cones can get onto the track causing you to either avoid them or risk getting launched airborne.

I know most folk would be against it but I'd love it if they brought in something that stopped people using the same car over and over and over.

I did 5 race C this morn, 2 in the Supra, then the RCZ followed by the Z4 and back to the Supra. In those 5 races there was at least 5 players who participated in all 5 races and never changed car once.

At end of the day folk can play the game as they please and I'm fine with that but I'd introduce something to promote variety.

This is what I would do

After 2 sport mode races a car becomes unavailable for 2 races and is in the workshop for servicing. If you have a duplicate car that is still useable. This would be disabled for 1 make races obviously.

As I said I know a lot of people wouldn't like but as I said it would promote variety in the grids and as a plus point make those duplicate cars you get on the roulette wheel useful.

I'd get behind a New Car Bonus or something when switching up cars. Similar to a Clean Race Bonus. But blocking out a car to force that is too extreme.

 

[golfer07840]

The cones are beneficial, simple as that. But the benefit comes with the downside of being reliant on a marker that can be moved is all I was meaning in my message. That and the cones can get onto the track causing you to either avoid them or risk getting launched airborne.

I'd get behind a New Car Bonus or something when switching up cars. Similar to a Clean Race Bonus. But blocking out a car to force that is too extreme.

The Cone physics in this game are crazy. I once rolled a car driving over a cone. Kind of ridiculous really.

 

[Groundfish]

I like the line and cones.
I like the line the most. Certain spots you can widen it some. Really helps with something I am always working on which is initial turn in being more gentle.
Line plus cones...you really can’t hit really bad times as long as you brake turn apex throttle in that order.

 

[John G]

I’m all for more variety in races but I like to stick with cars for a while to see how much I can get out of them. So I would not like that at all.

I do think you should be forced to race with whatever car you qualified in though. Then maybe we would see a bit more variety.

I think if you were forced to change cars, the differences might cause more crashes? Having a better matched BOP would help tho. I would like to use some other cars but i just find that i can't get the laptime with them.

I do think it's odd however that your qualifying time is independent of the car you're racing with.

 

[ringkurier]

I know most folk would be against it but I'd love it if they brought in something that stopped people using the same car over and over and over.

I did 5 race C this morn, 2 in the Supra, then the RCZ followed by the Z4 and back to the Supra. In those 5 races there was at least 5 players who participated in all 5 races and never changed car once.

At end of the day folk can play the game as they please and I'm fine with that but I'd introduce something to promote variety.

This is what I would do

After 2 sport mode races a car becomes unavailable for 2 races and is in the workshop for servicing. If you have a duplicate car that is still useable. This would be disabled for 1 make races obviously.

As I said I know a lot of people wouldn't like but as I said it would promote variety in the grids and as a plus point make those duplicate cars you get on the roulette wheel useful.

You are right, sometimes it´s really lame. Look at Race B - this is some kind of a Megane Cup this week.

But, to be honest, I think it´s ok. You can drive what you want, when you want. If you want to be a virtual factory driver for Renault, do it!

 

[Sven Jurgens]

The cones are beneficial, simple as that. But the benefit comes with the downside of being reliant on a marker that can be moved is all I was meaning in my message. That and the cones can get onto the track causing you to either avoid them or risk getting launched airborne.

I'd get behind a New Car Bonus or something when switching up cars. Similar to a Clean Race Bonus. But blocking out a car to force that is too extreme.

We talked about this idea before, handicap bonus for using a car that's less popular. The least used car gets the biggest bonus. Meta car gets a negative bonus. Of course with the generally abysmal payouts in sport mode, not many would care.

Perhaps a DR bonus would be an incentive. Add another modifier to the calculation:
80 - ((Player DR - Rival DR))/500) - (Player car popularity - Opponent car popularity)
Set popularity on a scale from 0 to 10 for a nice little bonus.

 

[Granadier]

You are right, sometimes it´s really lame. Look at Race B - this is some kind of a Megane Cup this week.

But, to be honest, I think it´s ok. You can drive what you want, when you want. If you want to be a virtual factory driver for Renault, do it!

That's less about people wanting to drive the same car all the time, and more about the BoP turning the Megane into a rocket on the straights. It was the same story a couple months ago the last time this Race B was in the rotation.

 

[Groundfish]

That's less about people wanting to drive the same car all the time, and more about the BoP turning the Megane into a rocket on the straights. It was the same story a couple months ago the last time this Race B was in the rotation.

The Megane last time...I have a run initially, I am literally GAINING exiting up mountain straight from maybe 2-3 car lengths back in the merc. So, I am in slipstream gaining and that thing walked away pulling a bigger gap by griffins.
:::facepalm:::
Oh yeah coming down Conrod is fun also since on controller seems like it can brake almost fifty meters later than anything. I finally tried it, but it is awful feeling on wheel.

 

[ringkurier]

That's less about people wanting to drive the same car all the time, and more about the BoP turning the Megane into a rocket on the straights. It was the same story a couple months ago the last time this Race B was in the rotation.

Absolutely. This is another problem, that the Megane has way too much power on the straight.

The BoP has to be adjusted propably. It´s ok if the FWD can gain some advance on the straight, but loose some time at the exit of the corner. This seems to be not balanced very well, especially at Bathurst.

Personally I think that 15kw less can do that job, but I´m not PD.

As long as the situation with the Megane is what it is, I will keep on driving it. Most of the times. At Mount Panorama. Maybe it´s a bit boring, but it would frustrate me much more if I will loose in the race everytime as soon as I switch to something else.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

That's less about people wanting to drive the same car all the time, and more about the BoP turning the Megane into a rocket on the straights. It was the same story a couple months ago the last time this Race B was in the rotation.

Yep, the problem with Bop is that it tries to match lap times. The Megane gets a nice boost cause it sucks on the mountain. It does well at Mount Panorama because it's very hard to pass these roadblocks on the mountain while they can sprint away after screwing up Forest's elbow, Murray's corner and Hell corner. With most cars you can have a better exit at forest elbow, get alongside and watch the Megane pull away not being able to keep up while diving in its draft as soon as it pulls ahead.

Anyway I have been reporting all Meganes in race B and will continue to do so

 

[O604]

I used to mix up cars for Gr. 3/4 races. But lately have been sticking to my Toyota Manu contract cars. I haven't put miles on my other cars in a while. Since Spring. No reason. Just lazy and simpler for me.

 

[doblocruiser]

@Groundfish got her down to something which I am happy with



Concerning cones and racing lines, I never use it

 

[Groundfish]

@Groundfish got her down to something which I am happy with



Concerning cones and racing lines, I never use it

 

[Voodoovaj]

OK, I need to say this so that it gets out into the community and the word spreads.

STOP SPINNING OUT AS YOU CROSS THE FINISH LINE!!! YOU ARE RUINING THE RACE FOR OTHER PEOPLE!

Simply put, when someone spins across the line, the yellow flag comes out. No passing is allowed. Plenty of people are still racing to the line. Even if they manage to cross the line without having a penalty levied against them, the mere yellow flag warning is enough to make them lift.

Whenever I see this happen, I think to myself, "what a numb skull".

I posted this same sentiment on the activity feed in game and I hope it gets around. It's annoying AF.

 

[Groundfish]

Just wanted to say race A can go walk itself straight off a cliff. When it's that hard to drive anything, it is no fun. Gonna try my hand at race b, just some laps for now...

If you go to friends list qual sport mode my qual from Monday is shared.
It’s a nice clean lap in the Mustang tcs 3 bb 0.
There’s plenty more to be had, but I think it’s an approachable fundamentally sound lap. Line is on for that one and I am pretty much on it. It’s a solid if unspectacular time, but great car if you are new to the track...

 

[Tea_Leaves]

As long as the situation with the Megane is what it is, I will keep on driving it. Most of the times. At Mount Panorama. Maybe it´s a bit boring, but it would frustrate me much more if I will loose in the race everytime as soon as I switch to something else.

I understand this but therein lies the problem with lack of variety, people fear losing (and want to win) so stay with the safer, meta choice. I'm glad I broke out of this mindset a while ago, I personally would be having less fun.

Re: Variety

However, I'm not one to tell how people should be having fun in the game since my own idea of it can be different to someone else. If their fun lies with using the same car all the time then so be it. Everyone has their own way of enjoying the game. Promoting variety and an incentive to use a different car is nice but at the same time, I don't think it should be punishing for using the same car.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I don't know what it is but my Group 4 pace is poor compared to Group 3 or Group 2 even. i quite enjoy the cars but i don't ever seem to be as competitive. i struggle to get under a 2.15 at bathurst yet in Group 23 i can get with 3% of the fastest time.

 

[ringkurier]

I understand this but therein lies the problem with lack of variety, people fear losing (and want to win) so stay with the safer, meta choice. I'm glad I broke out of this mindset a while ago, I personally would be having less fun.

Re: Variety

However, I'm not one to tell how people should be having fun in the game since my own idea of it can be different to someone else. If their fun lies with using the same car all the time then so be it. Everyone has their own way of enjoying the game. Promoting variety and an incentive to use a different car is nice but at the same time, I don't think it should be punishing for using the same car.

Exactly that´s the problem with it. In "normal" races I´m mostly fine with the BoP and I drive whatever I want. But not at Bathurst because of... well, we have already talked about it...

What I personally don´t get is, why they have choosen again Group 4. Especially sine it is only 6 weeks since the last time we had this. If they have choosen Group 3 I think we would have much more fun in the hills.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Just wanted to say race A can go walk itself straight off a cliff. When it's that hard to drive anything, it is no fun. Gonna try my hand at race b, just some laps for now...

I don't understand why they enable BoP on a 1 make race. What's the point? Why put all that weight on the car when the suspension is set up for the base weight. Of course the car will work like crap. How can it NOT work like crap?

Exactly that´s the problem with it. In "normal" races I´m mostly fine with the BoP and I drive whatever I want. But not at Bathurst because of... well, we have already talked about it...

What I personally don´t get is, why they have choosen again Group 4. Especially sine it is only 6 weeks since the last time we had this. If they have choosen Group 3 I think we would have much more fun in the hills.

Why don't the limit it to change things up? Rear drive only or something. It goes beyond apathy and into the realm of a complete lack of competence in managing a community. Not that they have ever been any good at that.

 

[Dairyworker]

If you go to friends list qual sport mode my qual from Monday is shared.
It’s a nice clean lap in the Mustang tcs 3 bb 0.
There’s plenty more to be had, but I think it’s an approachable fundamentally sound lap. Line is on for that one and I am pretty much on it. It’s a solid if unspectacular time, but great car if you are new to the track...

I have in fact been chasing you for the last while lol

I know my way around the track, and really enjoy it actually. But i am certainly not fast here and still trying to get to pace in race cars. Following you is helping, if i can get the downhill nailed i am pretty sure i can beat your time. You really are on rails through there though lol

 

[Tea_Leaves]

What I personally don´t get is, why they have choosen again Group 4. Especially sine it is only 6 weeks since the last time we had this. If they have choosen Group 3 I think we would have much more fun in the hills.

Yep, I said before it should've been Gr.3 and more than 3 laps. The last 3 Bathurst races have been exactly the same: Gr.4, Hs, and 3 laps.

That's PD variety for you.

 

[Odiesback]

I know most folk would be against it but I'd love it if they brought in something that stopped people using the same car over and over and over.

I did 5 race C this morn, 2 in the Supra, then the RCZ followed by the Z4 and back to the Supra. In those 5 races there was at least 5 players who participated in all 5 races and never changed car once.

At end of the day folk can play the game as they please and I'm fine with that but I'd introduce something to promote variety.

This is what I would do

After 2 sport mode races a car becomes unavailable for 2 races and is in the workshop for servicing. If you have a duplicate car that is still useable. This would be disabled for 1 make races obviously.

As I said I know a lot of people wouldn't like but as I said it would promote variety in the grids and as a plus point make those duplicate cars you get on the roulette wheel useful.

Not sure why that bothers you. If you see an M6 or M4 on the grid, good chance it’s me . For some races I am the lone wolf on the prowl with my favorite weapon regardless of the conditions! Keep an eye for either Tag Heuer or Shell liveries For the M6!

 

[Groundfish]

I don't understand why they enable BoP on a 1 make race. What's the point? Why put all that weight on the car when the suspension is set up for the base weight. Of course the car will work like crap. How can it NOT work like crap?

I think they are trying to improve players skill.
Last time we had this one I tried it and concluded it was far too frustrating.

 

[sturk0167]

Just wanted to say race A can go walk itself straight off a cliff. When it's that hard to drive anything, it is no fun. Gonna try my hand at race b, just some laps for now...

I had a great time there doing Q laps, too.
Still working on it, though.

There are 7 different places on that track that you can really mess up. In 2 of those spots, I still don't know what to do. At the other 5 places, I know what to do, but can't consistently do it. A pretty good lap for me is when I get 3 or 4 of them correct. I'm sure I'll never get all 7 in the same lap, but if I get 5 or 6, it will be a very fast lap.

By the way, how demoralizing is it when your own ghost continues to beat you through turn 1, and that ghost lap wasn't even very good?
I always want to restart if I can't at least match my ghost through turn 1.

 

[Dairyworker]

@sturk0167 yeah....... i am a sucker for punishment as much as anyone, but i forced myself to finish the first lap, and then proceded to not be able to finish a lap for 30 minutes. Thats to much, no fun to be had in that for me. I really dont mind the slow car races, but for the love of all that is good in the world, make it interesting and keep the car somewhat drivable. A stock n600 is easier to drive than that stupid honda

 

[O604]

On Yamagiawa II, before the final turn, if it loses control, it always goes in the gap between 2 guard rails on the left. Like a trap specifically set for this car.

 

[sturk0167]

@sturk0167 yeah....... i am a sucker for punishment as much as anyone, but i forced myself to finish the first lap, and then proceded to not be able to finish a lap for 30 minutes. Thats to much, no fun to be had in that for me. I really dont mind the slow car races, but for the love of all that is good in the world, make it interesting and keep the car somewhat drivable. A stock n600 is easier to drive than that stupid honda

That race would be about 10,000 times more fun with the Miata. 👍

 

[Redneckchef]

How can anyone want to get rid of the cones? If it wasn't for the cones I wouldn't have been able to get so many fantastic jumps in while learning the game this year. I've gotten air in super formula, red bull jnr and 2019, gr1 and gr2. Think I might have bunny hopped a gr4 at the NGP as well.

Who was it that got absolutely destroyed by one in the gr2 autopolis race the previous time we had that combo?

 

[QC YALUM]

We talked about this idea before, handicap bonus for using a car that's less popular. The least used car gets the biggest bonus. Meta car gets a negative bonus. Of course with the generally abysmal payouts in sport mode, not many would care.

Perhaps a DR bonus would be an incentive. Add another modifier to the calculation:
80 - ((Player DR - Rival DR))/500) - (Player car popularity - Opponent car popularity)
Set popularity on a scale from 0 to 10 for a nice little bonus.

the meta is no the same 4 everyone im faster whit the Mustang than the Megane at Mount panorama Mustang optional time 2:11.6 Megan low 2:12 but only did a couples lap i Don't li FF cars