"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[O604]

Tried 1 Race A for Daily Mileage. Competition was tough.

QT 1:06.241. Started 8th. Finished 7th. -10 DR. Blue SR. Got up to 5th at one point but lost ground on the last turn, twice.

Was expecting to start much higher and an easy top 5 for a Monday morning.

 

[Groundfish]

To me RBR is very advanced. No idea how to take any of it. Plus I hate every turn. No idea how to carry speed there.
No qual tactics will be in effect all week on Lemans @sturk0167!

 

[watto79]

Red Bull Ring is advanced? You can count the corners on your hands and you can count the variety of corners on ONE hand! You've got some tight right handers, slightly less tight right handers, oh and a surprise left turn in the middle to change it up.

It's advanced in the sense that you have to be smarter than a neanderthal to figure out when to brake so you don't pile into everyone else trying to go through the corner.

Predictably most drivers in Sport Mode can't figure it out.

I think the simplicity of Red Bull Ring is what the "problem" with the track is. Most players can get around the track as it's not difficult to learn the corners. But with two BIG braking zones where a minor misjudgement means ruining the car in front makes it quite challenging.

The layout is simple, but it is hard to follow someone and the downhill right hander (3rd braking zone) is really tricky to get right with it being downhill and off camber.

I think what I'm getting at is it's perceived simplicity attracts a lot of racers who THINK they know how to do it, but when put in a slipstream make mistakes that are both easy to make and are very costly. Or something.

 

[roamingbard13]

I don’t have any experience racing at Sarthe, or in Gr1, so I’ll be hanging out at RBR this week probably. My plan is not to race until I set a quick QT. In Gr 4, I had several clean races in a row starting in the front. Back half is a free for all though.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I got up a bit early this morning, so I could do some Lemans racing before work. I'm glad I did. Most fun I've had on the track in a long time.
I did 3 races from the back (Sven was there all 3 times), and used 3 different cars. @Groundfish don't qualify on your alt account. It's a lot of fun racing from the back in this race.
I had a blast following Sven through the field. 👍
Here's a clip from the second race, where somehow I managed to make it from 15th to 6th before the end of lap 1.
Not that I did anything great, but people are just having a lot of trouble getting around the track.
Sven was ahead of me until the end of the lap when something happened to him. He was ghosted when I went by.
@Sven Jurgens your car has little bits of lag from time to time.



Porsche 962C was best all-around car, I think.
Be careful out there, fellas. That first lap is full of danger.

*Full disclosure: I ran into Sven's car about 3 times this morning.

That was great fun indeed. The something that happened was my twitchy thumb, dropping me down to first gear, wheel lock, bye bye. My isp is not the best this morning, it dropped out again as well yesterday. More people streaming in the neighborhood I guess. GR.1 is very sensitive to lag but so far so good. I got a 2nd place finish and a 3rd with CRB, race C is worth 10 SR this week, down from 21 SR last week. With plenty of red ratings each race people will be struggling to recover SR.

No stop is a good strategy however I'm usually already past all the pit stoppers by the time they pit. The front drives off in the 908 or does a quick pit stop in a hybrid.

 

[Redneckchef]

I'll be having a go at race C later as we go. Maybe get 1 in tonight before my days off. Can tell when I am learning to control things better as I am grumbling about screwing up my laps and being way slower than last time. Go to KP and see I am bitching about a time 2 seconds faster than last time. I am still not happy getting used to the seemingly arbitrary track limit penalties again.

Finally nailed what is probably my lap for the week though. I would rather race and deal with trying to pass people. Might do some hot laps at RBR but not too keen to race. It looks simple but all the turns being slightly odd angles combined with hard braking zones and no patience for 5 laps means punt-o-Rama for me.

 

[CurbHog]

I tried the Sardegna Race C yesterday. Its a really fun track in my opinion as it is really fast. That said, I could not get a time that would put me up in the field so I started from the rear. The frist race went well and I was going into the top 10 when someone missed the braking point in the first turn and bumped me so that race was over. I did a no stop in that race.
This race was a bit different as I did one stup after 7 laps and a splash of fuel (fuel saving is so boring)
I enjoyed this race in the R8 as its balls to the wall, but over all on the two races I lost 700DR's so Im tethering on the brink of demotion to B.

 

[Mc_Yavel]

Two races at tsukuba this morning before going in to work early. It's a nice little combo, car feels a bit better than i remember last time it was here. I think we had it here before...

Set a time of 05.9xx waiting for the first race to start. @Mc_Yavel was in both races, great racing this morning sir. First race had a bit more contact and position changing but was not dirty and all in all an enjoyable race. Race two was yavel and i out front. He got me for the win as i was still a bit sleepy/sloppy and gave him more than a few opportunities. Well done and a great race my friend.

What's the best way to start the week... two wins wih good and clean opponent. Only the last race of four I finish outside the podium. (5th)

It was so good, if only it was like that everytime! It made me forget PD didn't put an effort with their choice again.

 

[Velhadas]

What do you mean advanced? It's the simplest track in the game outside of niche tracks IMHO.

Simple to lap around it? Sure. Simple to race in it? No. Along with the Interlagos, it's the track with most divebombs, especially turn 2. People think the normal line is an open door, and throw themselves into it, forgetting they won't make the corner without using the other car as a break. And with its long straights, people mistake gaining time on slipstream with having better pace, which makes them rush their already ill advised moves.

So, it's advanced in the sense that a lot of people playing GT Sport don't know how to actually race there. They don't know how to judge when is it a good time to make a pass, they don't know where are the best spots to make the pass and they don't know how to adjust their braking points to the speed they get with the tow

PS - Not to mention the amount of people that when going wheel to wheel on the outside turn as if you're not there. But that's a thing in every track, it seems.

 

[Odiesback]

I’m a big proponent of cockpit view. No problems racing clean. The mirrors often do look, if you just sit there as if they are useless, but you gotta try racing with them. They will make more sense after a bit of use on track.
To me the sole disadvantage of cockpit is switching cars. Many of the cars have a rear view camera.
I tend to disagree with 90 percent of the comments about cockpit view. I think it’s absolutely the best, the only thing tough can be switching cars. The absolute most visibility forward and to sides is chase. Bumper is less fog than cockpit or roof. Test it. Park at a fixed point on track and toggle views.
Diff cockpits have diff strengths and weaknesses, but a rear view mirror and a side view mirror is better than just a single rear view.
I’m sure people will argue the point, but park a say corvette gr4 in a fixed location and toggle views, then you can see the difference.
Plus cockpit gives the most visual feedback about the car...
Jmo ymmv

Couldn’t agree more with you! That’s the closest you get from the real thing. I have never used any other view, for both qualies or race. Yes, it has serious limitations regarding range of view but so does cockpit in real life. I get it, it’s not real life but it puts me right in the driver seat. It’s the only view it can be used should anyone add any motion device to their rig.

The best cockpit ever was the full blown Porsche 911 car I saw at the Nurburgring 24h.

I can only imagine the IRL drivers when added the neck brace plus helmet on!

If I had s wish for Sony and PD it would be adding the use of multiple screens. Until then, I rely on the radar for out of view cars.

 

[PulpDogg]

I have done 144 races online so far. Today was the first time I ragequit.

I didn't even mind the punts on RBR. But it took the game ages to set me back on the track and by then I was last place and 20 seconds behind second to last. Next lap I lose the car again turn 3 - and quit.

Damn, that was frustrating.

 

[doblocruiser]

Has something changed in the game physics since we last had this race C? I can't get within a second of my optimal time in the Audi from back then, it feels quicker down the straights but the front end feels worse in the corners.

Here is my qualifying lap, aside from almost spinning on the bollard I doubt I can do much better:



I haven't tried a race yet but will get the Toyota back out for those.

Don't know if anything has changed but what I do know is that I can't get that L750 even near that time....

@HammyMansell Great time on RB as well. I struggle on RBR since I find it hard to get the corners right without loosing too much speed.

 

[sturk0167]

Sven are you going the 5 laps in the Porsche in FM1, and just shifting early?

 

[Leftcurl]

Has something changed in the game physics since we last had this race C? I can't get within a second of my optimal time in the Audi from back then, it feels quicker down the straights but the front end feels worse in the corners.

Here is my qualifying lap, aside from almost spinning on the bollard I doubt I can do much better:



I haven't tried a race yet but will get the Toyota back out for those.

well you should thoroughly ashamed and embarrassed churning out such a shoddy lap

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Couldn’t agree more with you! That’s the closest you get from the real thing. I have never used any other view, for both qualies or race. Yes, it has serious limitations regarding range of view but so does cockpit in real life. I get it, it’s not real life but it puts me right in the driver seat. It’s the only view it can be used should anyone add any motion device to their rig.

The best cockpit ever was the full blown Porsche 911 car I saw at the Nurburgring 24h.

I can only imagine the IRL drivers when added the neck brace plus helmet on!

If I had s wish for Sony and PD it would be adding the use of multiple screens. Until then, I rely on the radar for out of view cars.

Cockpit works great in VR. On TV I guess I'm too far away from the screen, screen too small, it feels like driving from the back seat. It's so far from the real thing without VR. On a 1080p screen your view of the road is restricted to a 480p section, mirrors are too small to be of any use or out of view half the time. When I drive in VR or in a real car I'm not aware of the dashboard and pillars etc, clear view of the road and mirrors. On the tv it's like covering up over half the windshield with useless decorations Hopefully next gen we get to race in VR!

@sturk0167 I shift at about 50% of the bar, fm1 all the way. I got into 2:29 doing that with clear road. However no stop 908 gets into 2:26 with clear road. Tough competition! 5th place behind 908 and 3 TS050s

 

[John G]

Gave Le Mans a try today, tho don't know the circuit very well so not consistent yet.
First race with the 919, end of lap 3 i realise I'm gonna be well short of fuel so have to drop to FM2 and short shift.
Second race with the Toyota, FM1 and start off slightly short shifting to avoid that happening again. End of lap 3i realise i got my sums wrong and i have a whole extra lap of fuel!?
What's even worse is that my qually with the Toyota was nearly 2 seconds quicker than the 919, so not only is it quicker, it's better on fuel too!

Maybe it's just in my inexperienced hands, but it seems the BOP is way off for this race. Sadly i don't have the 962 as i like keeping my races all Porsche, but it's impossible to be competitive with the 919 for me

 

[Leftcurl]

I got up a bit early this morning, so I could do some Lemans racing before work. I'm glad I did. Most fun I've had on the track in a long time.
I did 3 races from the back (Sven was there all 3 times), and used 3 different cars. @Groundfish don't qualify on your alt account. It's a lot of fun racing from the back in this race.
I had a blast following Sven through the field. 👍
Here's a clip of lap 1 from the second race, where somehow I managed to make it from 15th to 6th before the end of lap 1.
Not that I did anything great, but people are just having a lot of trouble getting around the track.
Sven was ahead of me until the end of the lap when something happened to him. He was ghosted when I went by.
@Sven Jurgens your car has little bits of lag from time to time.



Porsche 962C was the best all-around car, that I tried.
Be careful out there, fellas. That first lap is full of danger.

*Full disclosure: I ran into Sven's car about 3 times this morning.

i'm almost waiting for you to stick your head out of the window and shout 'WOOOO HOOOOO' whilst flipping the bird as you cruise past the hybrids

 

[sturk0167]

i'm almost waiting for you to stick your head out of the window and shout 'WOOOO HOOOOO' whilst flipping the bird as you cruise past the hybrids

God, I wish we could do that.
Isn't it crazy how fast the group C cars blow by the hybrids on the straights? I love that.

*Race C Strategy*
Hey, for the few racers out there who, like me still prefer driving auto trans when you can, you'll be fine doing so at Race C. 👍
I did all 3 of my races from the back this morning, and finished 4th, 3rd, and 5th. I used A/T and FM1 in all 3 cars. Stopped for less than a gallon of fuel and no tires every time. The very brief time you spend in the pits is worth it, I think.

The race is 42 miles long, so going the whole way without conserving is also a solid strategy (just my opinion).
Or just drive the Toyota Hybrid if you're not into having fun.

 

[sdi_03]

Daily A qt 1:05.791 BB3



Plan was to take quick race A, started the daily race section and noticed 20 min to next race. Well, qualy it is --> time flies some laps, good qualy...
Ok, time to race, next race 20mins. Nice. It would be cool, if the shorter races would start in shorter time interval...
(no time for race after all)

 

[Groundfish]

Couldn’t agree more with you! That’s the closest you get from the real thing. I have never used any other view, for both qualies or race. Yes, it has serious limitations regarding range of view but so does cockpit in real life. I get it, it’s not real life but it puts me right in the driver seat. It’s the only view it can be used should anyone add any motion device to their rig.

The best cockpit ever was the full blown Porsche 911 car I saw at the Nurburgring 24h.

I can only imagine the IRL drivers when added the neck brace plus helmet on!

If I had s wish for Sony and PD it would be adding the use of multiple screens. Until then, I rely on the radar for out of view cars.

Cockpit works best for me. I like it.
Cheers

 

[Voodoovaj]

What do you mean advanced? It's the simplest track in the game outside of niche tracks IMHO.

Quite the opposite. It has long, fast, undulating straights that lead into technical corners. For instance, turn one is an uphill braking zone that crests at the apex and turns back over 90 degrees, turn 3 (the next tight turn) is again uphill, with an off camber apex. You can't even see the exits of either corner until you are in them. And so on, and son, and so on. Yes, sure, it looks easy as a track map, but it's not easy at all. Every corner upsets the car at a time when the car is it's most vulnerable.

If it were easy, it would not be an SR killer.

I’m a big proponent of cockpit view. No problems racing clean. The mirrors often do look, if you just sit there as if they are useless, but you gotta try racing with them. They will make more sense after a bit of use on track.
To me the sole disadvantage of cockpit is switching cars. Many of the cars have a rear view camera.
I tend to disagree with 90 percent of the comments about cockpit view. I think it’s absolutely the best, the only thing tough can be switching cars. The absolute most visibility forward and to sides is chase. Bumper is less fog than cockpit or roof. Test it. Park at a fixed point on track and toggle views.
Diff cockpits have diff strengths and weaknesses, but a rear view mirror and a side view mirror is better than just a single rear view.
I’m sure people will argue the point, but park a say corvette gr4 in a fixed location and toggle views, then you can see the difference.
Plus cockpit gives the most visual feedback about the car...
Jmo ymmv

I don't think anyone is trying to condemn cockpit view. As I said, I would prefer to use it. That said, I take the comment about have "no problem" racing clean with a grain of salt. If you aren't seeing people, there is a good chance that what you may have thought was someone else's dirty move was actually something caused by your inability to see where they are.

That's the biggest issue I have seen with it. I simply lose a sense of where other people are relative to me and the radar isn't good enough.

It's not as good as real life. In real life I can see things in my peripheral vision. In the game, I can't see anything.

 

[Stencedaddy]

Highlghts from my first go at RBR







I wasnt even involved in any incidents other than these. idk if the green car blamed me for when someone else rear ended him but hes a ****ing goon. im bringing back my hit list for him. everyone had red dots but me and i think 1 other car. i use bumper cam so i couldn't even see the last one coming.

 

[Mc_Yavel]

It has happened. 10,000 races milestone reached. Time for some statistics.

Respect!
That's impressive.

That's scary! Tempting but scary.

 

[SirCorwinek]

I am so bored with combination from race A. We got so many tracks and cars but they get blocked randomize button on that particular combo. It's annoyin.

Race B will be fun but lot of ramming in corners.

Race C might be fun but that track is one of my weakest point almost as weak as Nordschleife

 

[Sven Jurgens]

God, I wish we could do that.
Isn't it crazy how fast the group C cars blow by the hybrids on the straights? I love that.

*Race C Strategy*
Hey, for the few racers out there who, like me still prefer driving auto trans when you can, you'll be fine doing so at Race C. 👍
I did all 3 of my races from the back this morning, and finished 4th, 3rd, and 5th. I used A/T and FM1 in all 3 cars. Stopped for less than a gallon of fuel and no tires every time. The very brief time you spend in the pits is worth, I think.

The race is 42 miles long, so going the whole way without conserving is also a solid strategy (just my opinion).
Or just drive the Toyota Hybrid if you're not into having fun.

Get into MT, it's about time! I caved in and after a while (twitchy thumb aside) it becomes second nature. You use x for gas right?, so why not use the bumpers for shifting. The best thing about MT is, that if you have to adjust a little mid corner, instead of lifting, up shift early, saves time at corner exit and you can just keep your finger down on the gas. Also having control of what gear you are in in a corner adds a lot of stability.

The 962C is actually so good on fuel with short shifting I can often rev it out in 2nd and not shift until 75% of the bar. A little slipstream saves a nice chunk of fuel.

 

[sturk0167]

Get into MT, it's about time! I caved in and after a while (twitchy thumb aside) it becomes second nature. You use x for gas right?, so why not use the bumpers for shifting. The best thing about MT is, that if you have to adjust a little mid corner, instead of lifting, up shift early, saves time at corner exit and you can just keep your finger down on the gas. Also having control of what gear you are in in a corner adds a lot of stability.

The 962C is actually so good on fuel with short shifting I can often rev it out in 2nd and not shift until 75% of the bar. A little slipstream saves a nice chunk of fuel.

I use M/T for most of the slow races, like race A. On some tracks, I'll use it in Gr.4 cars, too. I haven't used it enough in the faster cars, with more gears for it to become second nature. I'll probably try the M/T some at race C, this week. I'll be mostly be using the old cars, which only have 5 gears, and they probably don't even need to use 1st.

 

[Hasnain282]

I am so bored with combination from race A. We got so many tracks and cars but they get blocked randomize button on that particular combo. It's annoyin.

Race B will be fun but lot of ramming in corners.

Race C might be fun but that track is one of my weakest point almost as weak as Nordschleife

Welcome to GTPlanet

 

[El_Beardo]

As much as I enjoy the Gr.1/La Sarthe combo. I can't help but feel I'd be way more enthusiastic about it, if it were four laps in Gr.3. Two laps for Race B a few months back was great.

Yeah, five or six laps would be nice. But, we all know that PD won't increase the race distance.

 

[sturk0167]

That's scary! Tempting but scary.

It's not as bad as it looks. Once you know the braking points, it's actually easy.
I am usually not very good with cars faster than Gr.4, but Lemans is a pretty easy track for the really fast cars.
I probably wouldn't bother with any Gr.1 races anywhere else.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I use M/T for most of the slow races, like race A. On some tracks, I'll use it in Gr.4 cars, too. I haven't used it enough in the faster cars, with more gears for it to become second nature. I'll probably try the M/T some at race C, this week. I'll be mostly be using the old cars, which only have 5 gears, and they probably don't even need to use 1st.

Nope, never use first. 2nd for the chicanes (only for exit of the ones on the straight) and for Mulsanne and Arnage. 4th into porsche curves, drop to 3rd for corvette curves. 2nd or 3rd through indianapolis, depends on traffic.

Time for a couple races before my kids come home. The track is heating up, no easy successes anymore like this morning. A lot of bumping and the all time no no, swerving in braking zones. I got a penalty from a swerver (trying to avoid a car, so he threw it in front of me, can't brake harder, bumped him, he still bumped the other car off the track, however I got the penalty for it) and lost count how many times I got bumped. -19 SR, straight down to 80 in one go.