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I can't believe they all went into the pit!
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I was 2.5 sec ahead after #2 came out of the pit. He pushed hard to close the gap and took the fastest lap from me in the final lap. (I was doing 3:29 laps at the end) He couldn't catch me though, close finish. No CRB unfortunately, I had to go wide at Indianapolis to avoid 2 cars tangled together but slowed down enough not to get a penalty. Great race!

I went from 12K to 25K DR today, should be back to DR.A tomorrow. Sarthe rocks.
 
Live from Le Mans! :D Starting from the back in the TS050 to start, race 1 will be the warm up. :lol:


Good job, @Pigems.
It looks like those dudes were definitely faster than the ones I raced, this morning.

@Groundfish
Porsche can go all the way, without much effort, and is well-rounded.

787 has the most speed in the class, but if you're gonna use it, you may as well use FM1 and stop for gas. Otherwise, you won't be making use of it's speed advantage.
 
Hey you regulars around here, can some guys jump on soon to do some practice with me? I need to try out a new wheel button setup since I can't use my pedals at the moment. Should be interesting. Some Gr.3 cars with short 10 minute races
 
The party is unfortunately already over, at least in the 90-99 SR range.

Yeah, you weren't kidding. I just had a race with 15/18 TS050s... It does however feel satisfying to give them the middle finger and pass by on the straight in my LM55.

I would like to see PD come out with the nerf hammer sometimes. In cases where a car is clearly dominant (e.g. Megane last week). Races would be far more diverse/interesting and less boring.
 
Tried a few races from the back last night in different cars. First up was the Alpine which was fast and ended up 7th with lots of getting bashed about.

Next was the R18 '11 which I had to basically coast around the last lap in 6th gear to make the fuel last, think I came 6th in that one but there were only 13 in the field.

Tried The ts030 next and encountered some extremely aggressive midfielders that didn't like being overtaken once they pitted on about lap 3 and ended up 4th.

Was disconnected before the next race started so packed it in for the night, looking forward to trying some group C cars especially 787 and 962. Thought there might have been some bop changes to make the car performance a little more even and stop the grids being 75% ts050.
 
@Voodoovaj, don’t knock it till you try it, but if you play back from the screen a ways you might not be able to use mirrors effectively, if that’s the case I could see your doubt. I will say this, after a lot of playing time I know where the other cars are.

So it begins...I strapped the helmet on and entered up...and disconnect...
And, I was at B A next entry at B B. Surprise surprise the lobby had many of my South Americans friends coming to join the party.
First two laps I ended up with multiple penalties, which compound fuel use since you slow and allow packs to catch, even if it is a pack of angry guerrila fighters haha.
No matter, climbed up to 8 at the end, and gotta say this race is super fun. Chaos everywhere in the back...Total all out fun.
I bought the Porsche and barely made it had to go fuel map last lap to ensure a finish.
It’s awesome blowing by a group of the newer cars like nothin...
Car seems to drive really well, it’s new to me. It’s more civilized than the Mercedes or Nissan.
First lap out holy crap cold tires! Gotta watch that big time.
Fun race! I will be doing these every chance I get!
Maybe later I will be able to fit in another...
 
The start finish chart comes from @jasguer's site
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/stats-site.373054/
He doesn't have much time to support it anymore though, it's mostly dormant.

The DR, SR stuff comes from KP
https://www.kudosprime.com/gts/stats.php?profile=1495257
I copy pasted the whole table into excel online to get averages and such.

The other stuff comes from in game and online sporting history
https://www.gran-turismo.com/us/gtsport/user/profile/1495257/history/courseStats
I also copy pasted that whole table into excel to sort it on the different properties.
I'll need a day to look into it all!!

Cheers 👍
 
Hey you regulars around here, can some guys jump on soon to do some practice with me? I need to try out a new wheel button setup since I can't use my pedals at the moment. Should be interesting. Some Gr.3 cars with short 10 minute races
Hey guys, opening a lobby now
 
Sidenote: None of this is directed at you. Just general thoughts on the matter.

I have my own opinions regarding chase cam...not worth getting into, so let's keep this simply about the lack of a rear view mirror. IMO it's a huge liability with online racing. You are effectively driving blind vs those of us with mirrors. I see this constantly with drivers (not directing this at you) who use chase cam and are CONSTANTLY complaining about "dive bombers" who weren't actually dive bombers at all, they got alongside prior to turn in, but the lead driver with chase cam didn't see the driver jump to the inside. Had they used a view with a rear mirror they would have seen the move coming/happening in real time and adjusted accordingly. I would rather you have rear view mirrors than not, because i would rather you know I'm about to be on the inside than have you turn in blind. In tight racing, this will make for much cleaner racing. A lot of these "incidents" I don't believe to be intentional, they are due to a lack of information regarding cars around them.

I understand that it may not be directed at me, but I'll give more of my opinion since it refers to a point I brought up. I understand the lack of a rear view mirror & how the mirror would be helpful. However, for as long as I've been playing racing games, some of them had no camera view other than chase cam. So, I have over 2 decades of driving from the chase cam POV. Those of us who are "experienced" enough remember playing Pole Position. Yeah, no adjustable view there. Anyway, I have become also acclimated to using the quick toggle to view behind me. But, the question you have to ask is, where do I look? If I want to cut a good line, do I watch the track or the rear view mirror for a disgruntled driver? You still have to cut the proper racing line. If the GT-R driver was such a better driver than I, he/she could have gotten around me with proper racing technique. If you watch the replay which got this whole conversation started, I had to check up in the corner prior to the contact which got me a penalty. Now, the Nissan driver already knew he/she made a mistake. They also knew that they made a mistake at the left on top of the hill. In a competitive field, your mistakes let other cars get closer. Contact was made, but in no way was it intentional. After 2 blunders, don't you think that maybe you should slow down a few feet sooner? And what shows the bad sportsmanship is his/her willingness to dive bomb someone, planning to use them as an additional set of brakes & tires.

This has taken a while to write & I went & looked at the replay. He is using a DS4 controller. He missed his braking point & was still on the full brakes when I was at my accelerator pickup point. He made his braking point into turn 1, but chose to duck inside. He likely caught a tiny sliver of my draft as he pulled up behind me. But, considering that he was braking when I was accelerating, it sure seems like he wanted some revenge. Also, he started 2nd & while trying to pass a 911 for the lead, the 911 swerved over into him. I'd get a bit pissy over that. On lap 2, the Porsche tried a late braking maneuver going into the uphill right just where I caught up to him. The GT-R went into the gravel & 3rd place. After he has contact with me, on lap 6, he is chasing another Corvette that got 2nd when he was in the gravel. He bumps the Corvette on the downhill run leading to the same uphill right hander. He puts a move to the inside in the braking zone. He's halfway along side the 'Vette & the Corvette turns in on him. Corvette pushes wide into the gravel, no penalty. The biggest difference to me is, the Corvette he had contact with on lap 6, he was 50% beside the Corvette. He had the position & the corner. When he had contact with me, he was 100% behind me. He did not have the position, he was not entitled to the corner.

Unfortunatly at my current DR, qualifying on anything else than the meta/near meta means i get shafted to the bottom of the starting grid.

Sometimes, you've got to go meta. It worked for me a few weeks ago at Big Willow. Got more pole positions that week than all my previous races combined.

The problem with RBR is that it's an advanced track and, as we've been discussing this week, most folks are below the level of novice. It's a terrible track for Race B.

I have mixed feelings with RBR in race B. The last time it was in the dailies, it was Gr. 4. It was a demolition derby. My DR & SR got destroyed. Before that, it was Gr. 3. It was nowhere near that bad & I won a race that week. Probably one of my most exciting races. I planned to have a few races there this week.

*Full disclosure: I ran into Sven's car about 3 times this morning. :guilty:

Because it's your fault.

It's advanced in the sense that you have to be smarter than a neanderthal to figure out when to brake so you don't pile into everyone else trying to go through the corner.

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Get into MT, it's about time! I caved in and after a while (twitchy thumb aside) it becomes second nature. You use x for gas right?, so why not use the bumpers for shifting. The best thing about MT is, that if you have to adjust a little mid corner, instead of lifting, up shift early, saves time at corner exit and you can just keep your finger down on the gas. Also having control of what gear you are in in a corner adds a lot of stability.

That's how I used to drive. I did also use TCS 2. TCS really only hurts in tight cornering where wheelspin on RWD cars caused me to fishtail.

I use M/T for most of the slow races, like race A. On some tracks, I'll use it in Gr.4 cars, too. I haven't used it enough in the faster cars, with more gears for it to become second nature. I'll probably try the M/T some at race C, this week. I'll be mostly be using the old cars, which only have 5 gears, and they probably don't even need to use 1st.

MT: more control over the car. 'Nuff said.

I probably wouldn't bother with any Gr.1 races anywhere else.

cough*LagunaSeca*cough

There are buttons you can do to look to side.

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For Race A, this week with Mazda Roadster Touring Car on Tsukuba, why is it that we can’t use the car from our garage if we have it? I don’t need a car provided for me if I already have it. I’d like the kilometres added to my owned car, not counted for five laps on a specially provided car and then deleted.

Plus, our liveries are better than the default.

Should I buy the group c Porsche or 787b first?
Rn only have group c Nissan or Merc...

Others have stated a case for the 787B. My case is the banshee howl at full throttle.
 
I understand that it may not be directed at me, but I'll give more of my opinion since it refers to a point I brought up. I understand the lack of a rear view mirror & how the mirror would be helpful. However, for as long as I've been playing racing games, some of them had no camera view other than chase cam. So, I have over 2 decades of driving from the chase cam POV. Those of us who are "experienced" enough remember playing Pole Position. Yeah, no adjustable view there. Anyway, I have become also acclimated to using the quick toggle to view behind me. But, the question you have to ask is, where do I look? If I want to cut a good line, do I watch the track or the rear view mirror for a disgruntled driver? You still have to cut the proper racing line. If the GT-R driver was such a better driver than I, he/she could have gotten around me with proper racing technique. If you watch the replay which got this whole conversation started, I had to check up in the corner prior to the contact which got me a penalty. Now, the Nissan driver already knew he/she made a mistake. They also knew that they made a mistake at the left on top of the hill. In a competitive field, your mistakes let other cars get closer. Contact was made, but in no way was it intentional. After 2 blunders, don't you think that maybe you should slow down a few feet sooner? And what shows the bad sportsmanship is his/her willingness to dive bomb someone, planning to use them as an additional set of brakes & tires.

This has taken a while to write & I went & looked at the replay. He is using a DS4 controller. He missed his braking point & was still on the full brakes when I was at my accelerator pickup point. He made his braking point into turn 1, but chose to duck inside. He likely caught a tiny sliver of my draft as he pulled up behind me. But, considering that he was braking when I was accelerating, it sure seems like he wanted some revenge. Also, he started 2nd & while trying to pass a 911 for the lead, the 911 swerved over into him. I'd get a bit pissy over that. On lap 2, the Porsche tried a late braking maneuver going into the uphill right just where I caught up to him. The GT-R went into the gravel & 3rd place. After he has contact with me, on lap 6, he is chasing another Corvette that got 2nd when he was in the gravel. He bumps the Corvette on the downhill run leading to the same uphill right hander. He puts a move to the inside in the braking zone. He's halfway along side the 'Vette & the Corvette turns in on him. Corvette pushes wide into the gravel, no penalty. The biggest difference to me is, the Corvette he had contact with on lap 6, he was 50% beside the Corvette. He had the position & the corner. When he had contact with me, he was 100% behind me. He did not have the position, he was not entitled to the corner.

The advantage of the big rear view mirror is that your peripheral vision picks up any anomalous movement while keeping your eyes on the road for cornering and the traffic in front of you. I don't have to look directly at the mirror to get alerted by a car closing in at unexpected speed or direction. That's why the big rear view window is so useful and makes racing more safe. You don't need to switch the whole screen out to look behind or focus your eyes on the small mirrors in in car view.

So the answer to the question where do you look, always in front of you. Peripheral vision does all the work to pick up movement.
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You only see sharp in the center while anything outside the center is geared to detecting movement for the sole purpose of directing your vision to the sudden movement. Human vision is very clever working with limited resources, best to make full use of it. No need for checking time gaps, taking your eyes off the road to look in the mirror or pressing a button to look behind.

There is one track though at a certain time of day where the sun moves through the rear view mirror in a particular corner and every time I think a dive bomb is incoming :lol:
 
Got my only Top 10 in the Alpine on Le Mans in July with a 3:19.7. Could only get a 3:20.6 so far so I’m P9 and likely won’t stay there for long! Seems like the Alpine has a few challengers this time. I’m confident the Alpine has lots of potential but it’s not clearly the META now.
 
Got my only Top 10 in the Alpine on Le Mans in July with a 3:19.7. Could only get a 3:20.6 so far so I’m P9 and likely won’t stay there for long! Seems like the Alpine has a few challengers this time. I’m confident the Alpine has lots of potential but it’s not clearly the META now.

The issue with the Alpine wasn't race wise, it was qualifying. Last Gr1 la Sarthe every man and his dog qualified with the Alpine and Raced with the TS050.
 
Race B twice.
1st race, Jaguar. P6 > P6, CRB. Good close racing in places plus about half the race just hot-lapping with a gap in front and behind. Courteous drivers racing hard but safely and leaving room for each other.
2nd race, 911 RSR. P8 > P10. Much more agressive field, lots less room. L2 I managed an accidental divebomb, had one car directly in front and a short gap to a group of 3 in front of him. Braking into the first hairpin on the inside I misjudged how much draft I was getting from the group in front, totally missed the car I was attempting to pass and t-boned (gently) the car that was three in front of me. The whole group had stalled on the apex... I just pulled over to the right until the dust cleared leaving me @ P12, then struggled back up to my finish position. The rest of the race was untidy but clean.
I'm slightly faster lapping in the Porsche, but I race better in the AMG or Jaguar. I think I'll stick to those two and maybe the Mustang this week on B.
 
2nd race, 911 RSR. P8 > P10. Much more agressive field, lots less room. L2 I managed an accidental divebomb, had one car directly in front and a short gap to a group of 3 in front of him. Braking into the first hairpin on the inside I misjudged how much draft I was getting from the group in front, totally missed the car I was attempting to pass and t-boned (gently) the car that was three in front of me. The whole group had stalled on the apex... I just pulled over to the right until the dust cleared leaving me @ P12, then struggled back up to my finish position. The rest of the race was untidy but clean.

It's funny how the mind works. At first read my brain took the B from Braking and combined it with (gently). I was thinking "Wait what??!!!! When did we get a Bently? Is it the Continental GT or the Gr1 car???". Yeh... took me a while to work out it was two separate words on two different lines... and Bently is Bentley :lol:.
 
Gr1 la sarthe again??

Weekly races are garbage. Its always the same thing.

I want Gr1 in bathurst or spa with laguna seca getting released.

Best compromise is to make these weekly races into 3 days. After 3 days change it into a new one.
Not sure if Gr1 on bathurst would be a great idea, but I agree. Also Gr3 on redbull and mx-5 on tsukuba were already there multiple times before. Daily Races need some rework.
 
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