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Did some race A today with mixed results. The first couple were decent, but then things just went bad. Some of it my fault as i was very sloppy, but i was victimized twice by the penalty system.

1 when the two cars in front of me tangle a bit in the tunnels, brake and tag the wall instead of the back of the car which would have probably caused him to spin. 5sec for me. Shouda probably hit him, at least that would only have 2sec most likely.
2, next race. Two guys go wide in t1 and graze the wall so i get in clean underneath. Just as we exit the corner, i feel the slightest bump from one of the cars. Got a 1sec penalty for that one cuse he lost another position after touching me i guess.....

That was enough for now. Tried to run laps to get my head into it, but its not working. I just can not seem to focus right now, or something, and stuff lol i did trim my time a little, but its still a 23.2, with an optimal of 22.6 though
 
Ok, so while we are on the dailies and it is turning a bit over sportsmanship with the new reckless penalty system I have a few questions for others, especially faster guys like @pennanton and @manion that I have seen slightly more often in the dailies. When I screw up I try to make sure I give a spot back, that we mostly agree on.

My question is about when I have a faster driver ripping up behind me. I try to be aware of this as much as possible and make sure I predictably stay in my standard line, but when I know it is a passing spot coming up I usually try to stick to the standard line and put my signal on, like on Fuji I stay hard left and put on my right indicator heading down the front straight to let you know I know you are there and I won't just turn in on you. I am not going to just give up, you still have to make the turn clean but I am trying to let you know I won't throw crazy blocks or some stupid moves. Do you guys pay attention to this or is it just about useless?

Last night I went through this twice in 2 laps with 1 guy (who I have raced a few times and know I can trust) and both times he overcooked it into the turn and I ended up just driving back by as he went wide and I cut back on the normal line. I kept the spot to the end of the race. Is this of any benefit or am I wasting my time?
 
I don't really look at the indicator.. I'm focusing on my own braking point, rather than looking at my opponents lights.

I try to gauge which racing line the person is about to take, the inside or outside. I look at their braking point, and I know if they will be able to make the turn or will they go wide. If I know they are braking late, then I'll try to brake a bit early from the outside racing line, and cut to apex earlier to get a better exit on the next straight.

If someone is wayyyy behind me, and decides to go for a really late lunge/dive bomb, I can't do anything about it, and I just hope they get a fair penalty for their troubles!
 
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Pretty happy with my races this week in the end. Had some really frustrating races too and my Sr was down to 68 the other day before I took it back in two clean races on Fuji. First time I race Gr 2 cars in daylies!

For Interlagos, I love the track but with only a few laps people can’t keep it cool and just behave bad. Still managed a win there as well. Didn’t like today’s nations at all so I did some more race c. Turned out a bad idea after some wine. But on 4th attempt I felt pretty sharp again and managed a second place from start in 5th.
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Been a hell of a week on Race C but I’m calling it there. Went from driver rating B (26,000 points) to rating A (46000 points.) Managed to win 12 out of 18 races entered and put 970 miles on my brand new GTR. For the first time ever I also set (what was) a top 10 regional qualy time. Absolutely stoked.
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Yes you can lose SR. I posted a vid in the penalty thread showing how I'm handed 3+1+3 for just existing. Clean race except for being a punch bag first lap and I still lost 10 SR.

But on the whole you are right about ppl escaping -SR thanks to the many laps.
I restored my SR to 99 from 68 in two races I think it was. Totally clean ofc.
Been playing Tokyo most of today and the penalties on Tokyo are a complete joke.
I've got from S down to E this afternoon. Managed to get back to B. Mostly because of being hit from behind by other drivers and being knocked into the barrier....for some reason I get a 5 seconds penalty for hitting the barrier and they get nothing. Good way to ruin a game
 
Ok, so while we are on the dailies and it is turning a bit over sportsmanship with the new reckless penalty system I have a few questions for others, especially faster guys like @pennanton and @manion that I have seen slightly more often in the dailies. When I screw up I try to make sure I give a spot back, that we mostly agree on.

My question is about when I have a faster driver ripping up behind me. I try to be aware of this as much as possible and make sure I predictably stay in my standard line, but when I know it is a passing spot coming up I usually try to stick to the standard line and put my signal on, like on Fuji I stay hard left and put on my right indicator heading down the front straight to let you know I know you are there and I won't just turn in on you. I am not going to just give up, you still have to make the turn clean but I am trying to let you know I won't throw crazy blocks or some stupid moves. Do you guys pay attention to this or is it just about useless?

Last night I went through this twice in 2 laps with 1 guy (who I have raced a few times and know I can trust) and both times he overcooked it into the turn and I ended up just driving back by as he went wide and I cut back on the normal line. I kept the spot to the end of the race. Is this of any benefit or am I wasting my time?

Nah if you make it easy and they bottle it its their problem. I think it's wise when you don't have the pace not to fight, your race will be better for it. Tbh, going against you last night you probably made it a little too easy for me. All you really have to do is run your race and run your lines, it can be stifling and confusing for the overtaker if the overtakee does something out of rhythm. If you've got the radar on, if you see the blue arrow sneak on in just leave a cars space and carry on.

I will add though that there's certain spots do it, take Fuji for example. T1 is perfect for it, just let them by, as is the hairpin. Anywhere else they can wait their turn. When I was following you I just caught, sat behind until I had the draft, broke a little early into T1 to avoid contact and gave room. We both win in the end.
 
Nah if you make it easy and they bottle it its their problem. I think it's wise when you don't have the pace not to fight, your race will be better for it. Tbh, going against you last night you probably made it a little too easy for me. All you really have to do is run your race and run your lines, it can be stifling and confusing for the overtaker if the overtakee does something out of rhythm. If you've got the radar on, if you see the blue arrow sneak on in just leave a cars space and carry on.

I will add though that there's certain spots do it, take Fuji for example. T1 is perfect for it, just let them by, as is the hairpin. Anywhere else they can wait their turn. When I was following you I just caught, sat behind until I had the draft, broke a little early into T1 to avoid contact and gave room. We both win in the end.
Ok. Yeah, I pretty much only try to do it in really obvious places like Turn 1 at Fuji. Otherwise I try to make sure I just keep running my race on my normal line and treat you as anyone else. I don't want to totally give up the place, but trying to learn when and where to defend.

My main question was if it was worth putting on the signal to let you know I was aware you were going to have the draft and speed to get there so I wasn't going to do anything crazy. I did roll over a couple of times but was aware that I wasn't really driving all that steady and figured I could do better bailing and having someone trailblaze a bit.

After having so many crazy drivers dive on me, mainly the same 2 or 3, it was hard to trust that you faster guys weren't going to go full send in that fast left hander. After the first time you stayed behind I felt more confident to just blast it on my normal line through there and it helped my pace stay a bit more steady.
 
My main question was if it was worth putting on the signal to let you know I was aware you were going to have the draft and speed to get there so I wasn't going to do anything crazy. I did roll over a couple of times but was aware that I wasn't really driving all that steady and figured I could do better bailing and having someone trailblaze a bit.

After having so many crazy drivers dive on me, mainly the same 2 or 3, it was hard to trust that you faster guys weren't going to go full send in that fast left hander. After the first time you stayed behind I felt more confident to just blast it on my normal line through there and it helped my pace stay a bit more steady.

Oh yeah sorry, no the blinker is a nice touch. It let me know which way you were going to leave the space and put us both on the same page, so I think its good form.

Yeah that corner is basically one line only, I'd like to think I've got some common sense and it'd be a massive disservice to my race to get into a tangle there. If I've got some overlap with someone trying to overtake me on the run up to there I get out early and either let them go off for the .5 sec penalty or just regroup and keep the pace up. If another player forces the issue on you through there they're not worth your time.
 
Oh yeah sorry, no the blinker is a nice touch. It let me know which way you were going to leave the space and put us both on the same page, so I think its good form.

Yeah that corner is basically one line only, I'd like to think I've got some common sense and it'd be a massive disservice to my race to get into a tangle there. If I've got some overlap with someone trying to overtake me on the run up to there I get out early and either let them go off for the .5 sec penalty or just regroup and keep the pace up. If another player forces the issue on you through there they're not worth your time.
Cool. I will keep that up if the need arises. I am still going to make the person actually take the spot though. Had several people bottle it there and I kept the spot anyway but hopefully the blinker just let us plan and set our lines to limit contact.
 
Cool. I will keep that up if the need arises. I am still going to make the person actually take the spot though. Had several people bottle it there and I kept the spot anyway but hopefully the blinker just let us plan and set our lines to limit contact.


I think it’s good practice to treat all racers the same. Corner rights are corner rights, if you know something happened and an overtake is imminent, imo don’t fight it but don’t do anything weird to try to help it, if that makes sense. Imo it’s all about having understanding of what is fair racing and whatnot.
With awareness you should know exactly where the other car is and where it’s headed 99 percent of time.
Often if someone faster is behind you choose not to defend, but there’s no need to signal, flash, do weird stuff.
I personally pay almost no attention to lights and signals unless I know the player and whatnot, Jmo.
Really, I look at other cars as part of the track. And do my best to race everyone the same, they are just other cars. If they are going to overtake they are going to do it, and yeah with tire wear etc, at times you make it easy, but, imo if a person races different vs me vs someone else, there is either a huge skill difference that is known between both or someone doesn’t know how to race and that’s my view.

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I think it’s a big thing in this games culture that’s all jacked up.
If someone is behind you, they have no RIGHT to pass, unless maybe you punted and should give back etc.
If you are ahead you are ahead, it’s your choice of action.
I think many players expect others to pull over or something just based on qual time or name or some other irrelevant crap.
That’s bs.
Imo if you are ahead you are ahead period.
 
I think it’s good practice to treat all racers the same. Corner rights are corner rights, if you know something happened and an overtake is imminent, imo don’t fight it but don’t do anything weird to try to help it, if that makes sense. Imo it’s all about having understanding of what is fair racing and whatnot.
With awareness you should know exactly where the other car is and where it’s headed 99 percent of time.
Often if someone faster is behind you choose not to defend, but there’s no need to signal, flash, do weird stuff.
I personally pay almost no attention to lights and signals unless I know the player and whatnot, Jmo.
Really, I look at other cars as part of the track. And do my best to race everyone the same, they are just other cars. If they are going to overtake they are going to do it, and yeah with tire wear etc, at times you make it easy, but, imo if a person races different vs me vs someone else, there is either a huge skill difference that is known between both or someone doesn’t know how to race and that’s my view.

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I think it’s a big thing in this games culture that’s all jacked up.
If someone is behind you, they have no RIGHT to pass, unless maybe you punted and should give back etc.
If you are ahead you are ahead, it’s your choice of action.
I think many players expect others to pull over or something just based on qual time or name or some other irrelevant crap.
That’s bs.
Imo if you are ahead you are ahead period.
I am going to keep doing my thing, you do yours. My big point on this was my using the blinker when it isn't necessarily that the overtake us imminent, but that it is a time when trying to block their line is a bit BS. Like I am on worn Hards, they have fresh Mediums and have sucked my slipstream the whole front straight on say lap 7.

In my mind they have a massive head of steam over me by seeing the closing speed. They have the better rubber so should be able to nail it anyway and maybe I can get their draft for a bit. Also it is way too early to pull a hard defense as there are still 6 laps to go. Last lap? No 🤬 way, you have to take it. Halfway through on different strategies where pulling g over to shut the door is pretty much begging for contact and penalties, I feel reasonable letting you know that I see you coming so either nail the turn and take it because I will give you the car width or get in behind.
 
I am going to keep doing my thing, you do yours. My big point on this was my using the blinker when it isn't necessarily that the overtake us imminent, but that it is a time when trying to block their line is a bit BS. Like I am on worn Hards, they have fresh Mediums and have sucked my slipstream the whole front straight on say lap 7.

In my mind they have a massive head of steam over me by seeing the closing speed. They have the better rubber so should be able to nail it anyway and maybe I can get their draft for a bit. Also it is way too early to pull a hard defense as there are still 6 laps to go. Last lap? No 🤬 way, you have to take it. Halfway through on different strategies where pulling g over to shut the door is pretty much begging for contact and penalties, I feel reasonable letting you know that I see you coming so either nail the turn and take it because I will give you the car width or get in behind.

I agree. Hard defense always no matter what 24-7 is stupidity. Just sayin on my server people do all manner of goofy stuff with their lights and it’s a distraction, but if Pooh bear flashes cuz I knew I wasn’t gonna hold him off anyways after I made it easy for him it feels cool, like communication has occurred.
That said, my thing is I don’t care if the name is Fraga on the car that wronged me. He will be offed.
That’s all.
Also, if for some reason I am behind a much slower car driving weird, it’s still up to me to get by right and not hit.
This TOTAL BULLCRAP done by players at A PLUS needs to stop. Racers are racers, we all have equal rights for ****s sake
 
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Absolutely abysmal day of racing! Lost around 3000 DR.

Ran a bunch of B races at Interlagos. Had a streak of clean races going starting the day. I started in high rated DR-B/SR-S races this morning. Starting ~10ish or so in the first few races but each race, one dumb thing would happen and I'd finish a spot or two lower than I started. Hell... there was one race that I finished 2 places higher than I started and my DR dropped. The drivers and racing got worse as the day went on. A couple nasty races at Interlagos and I was done with that crap for the day. Purposely getting driven off the road and flat out rammed off the track. Watch the replay after the race and these idiots aren't getting penalties or 1 second penalties. I GET TAPPED from behind and I get a 2 second colliding with another car penalty. WTF?!?!?!

Saturday afternoons in this region is just a minefield. Makes me sick.

Race in Nations tonight. Started 13th of 19. Turn 1, Lap 1, got spun by a guy who took an impossible angle on the very inside of turn 1 at Fuji... Honestly... He was playing the hand he was dealt... the race to turn 1 at Fuji, even in slow cars, is treacherous. Just as I was apexing, his nose went into my right rear quarter panel. After spinning and getting back on track, I'm now 19th and about 6 or 7 seconds away from the pack. One driver dropped out about lap 3 so I was 18th of 18 till about lap 8 when I caught up to and passed the guy in 17th. I finished 17th. That race cost me about 1000 DR.

Just sick of losing points after GETTING Tapped and served with a 2 second penalty and while serving that 2 second penalty in that god awful penalty zone, a train of cars passes by or getting passed by 1 or 2 cars because I lost traction coming out of a turn and I finish a race a place or two lower than I started. I know that's how the game works but it's discouraging. Wish the points system was more like real racing series. Gaining points by racing well but not lose points for getting passed by 1 or 2 cars. It'd be a lot easier pill to swallow if after a race where I didn't finish well, I looked at the scoreboard and saw my competitors gain points and, maybe pass me in points but not me losing points. Just makes me not want to play. Another day or two like this and I'm down to a C rating. I didn't have bad races today. Just some bad moments that lead to DR down which put me in worse lobbies with bad drivers that "found me" during their bad moments. More DR down, more bad luck or blatant rammers, the more points out the door. Just sucks.

I'm not a perfect driver by any means but I try so hard to be the cleanest and most consistant out there. I know I'm not the fastest on track but I do fine 99% of the time but the game rewards me with DR down because I didn't move up 10 spots in a 5 lap race with a rolling start where the leader is at turn 1 when I'm just crossing the start/finish line.

Sorry for ranting but this kinda day just makes me not want to compete because of the nature of the racing and results that happen with this game. I'm sure I'll want to get back racing tomorrow but I gotta be super careful tiptoeing through the minefield of rammers and drivers that aren't aware how long it takes their car to brake into a turn.
 
The DR system as a whole is just complete trash. Zero input into the system from places gained/lost, pace or getting FL, or clean racing. Hell your position where you finish doesn’t even matter. All that matters is the stats of the people that finish ahead of you compared to the ones that finish behind you.

1) Have a super sweaty race where you drive extremely clean and make an overtake or two safely and your DR will barely increase or might even go down if you quali poorly.

2) Have a car ahead brake check you or someone punts you and your DR will fall faster than the economy in ‘08.

Explain to me why the second scenario should be the prominent and defining factor in how “good” of a driver you are?
 
The DR system as a whole is just complete trash. Zero input into the system from places gained/lost, pace or getting FL, or clean racing. Hell your position where you finish doesn’t even matter. All that matters is the stats of the people that finish ahead of you compared to the ones that finish behind you.

1) Have a super sweaty race where you drive extremely clean and make an overtake or two safely and your DR will barely increase or might even go down if you quali poorly.

2) Have a car ahead brake check you or someone punts you and your DR will fall faster than the economy in ‘08.

Explain to me why the second scenario should be the prominent and defining factor in how “good” of a driver you are?
This is one of the reasons I stopped sweating DR so much. I have had super successful races where I was really fast and did really well in a lobby where I was pretty handily outclassed but still got to mid pack when I would expect to be near the back. Gain a few DR or even lose some. Have another race with a middling field where I am running 15 sec. slower overall pace for the race, but finish quite high. Gain heaps of DR. Just finally realized that while my pace and consistency does affect it a bit, matchmaking really makes the big difference as I can gain or lose points easily just getting bounced from C/S and B/S lobbies to becoming filler at the back of A+ and A lobbies.
Race enough and it seemed to average out for me.

Example was 2 nights ago I drove pretty average, but in a much slower lobby. Finished 2nd. Gain 600 DR. Drive my tail off, race hard with others, climb from 18th to 14th in a much heavier lobby, lose 700 DR. Didnt matter that I was faster in the second race, just who was there.
 
I agree. Hard defense always no matter what 24-7 is stupidity. Just sayin on my server people do all manner of goofy stuff with their lights and it’s a distraction, but if Pooh bear flashes cuz I knew I wasn’t gonna hold him off anyways after I made it easy for him it feels cool, like communication has occurred.
That said, my thing is I don’t care if the name is Fraga on the car that wronged me. He will be offed.
That’s all.
Also, if for some reason I am behind a much slower car driving weird, it’s still up to me to get by right and not hit.
This TOTAL BULLCRAP done by players at A PLUS needs to stop. Racers are racers, we all have equal rights for ****s sake
I gotta agree with you here. I've been racing A alot this week, and I had one that was a perfect example. I was racing from the back (it's FUN!) And made my way to 5th by the end of lap 1. The pole sitter had a Q better than my best, but I was still hopeing to get a last to first since I had 2 laps and we were bunched up. The guy in 4th was driving well, but slowing me down almost everywhere, especially in the section from the docks to the pit hairpin. 3rd started pulling away on lap 2, and I wasn't happy, but that guy in front of me was driving well, and coming off the last corner well. I was losing at least 1-1.5 seconds a lap, all in that high speed curvy section, and was off the gas alot where I am normally wide open the whole way. There is no way to pass there, so I ended up 5th. Yes, he was slowing me down. Yes, he was defensive at times. After the race I said "You are WIDE!" and he answered with an LOL. That's racing. I couldn't get by clean, and unlike some "top racers" I've seen, I'm not going to give a bump on corner entry to send 'em wide so I can tuck underneath and get by. I know a couple racers by name that are fast, but use that move to get by all the time, like just because they're faster, they have the right to the position. And like my friend above, if they do it to me, and I can catch them, I will take them out. Hell, once I punted a guy at the last turn at Interlagos because I saw him do that to 3 guys in front of me (I was racing from the back), and I was tired of seeing him ruin everyones race. Mistakes happen. Everyone gets in too hot sometimes, but knocking people out of the way for position needs to be punished.
 
Anyone want to start placing bets on what the N300 car will be for the C race (Nordschleife)?

While next week does look rushed and recycled, I was thinking it surely wouldn't be the 86 Limited for the third week in a row, right...?

I'll bet on the Lancer Evo FE although no surprise if it's the 86 again.
 
The Karnival of Kaos has come to an end. The ballons have all been deflated. The fruit has been plucked from costumes and eaten.... or not plucked from costumes... but still eaten ;). The Sambabus dancers have all gone home, and a lull descends upon Brazil. But before all this toil came to an end, I had one last roll of the dice, one last turn of the wheel, one last drink at the Drunken Norwegian... Ok yeh, I think you get the picture :dopey:. I think I've only done two races this week... this last race will be the third. I kept falling asleep and waking up too groggy to race (Netflix is a curse... and now I feel the need to seek out a Seafood to teach me an effective Fist for GTS combat :odd:.).

I had done some qualifying with GM's plastic fantastic a couple of days ago, and had managed to practically match my Lexus time, with an optimum a second faster. I entered the race with very little time left to improve upon, so my Lexus time stuck. I realised that I was still wearing my DRWF livery. With my driving I'm not entirely convinced that the motto "Any publicity is good publicity." rings true :crazy:. Anyhoo, I started P4/15...behind the same bloody Porsche that held me up two days ago :rolleyes:.

The race starts, the T1 dash for crash is on like Donkey Kong (or some other "game & watch" game if you prefer .. Fire maybe?). I have no idea what happened behind me, but no one hit me and the guys in front weren't crashing into each other. The pesky Porsche went wide and into the penalty zone at T3, so I cruised on by. For some reason I get this feeling I must have been passed by someone, cause it's the only way the next sequence of events could have happened.

I gained a position passing a guy in the penalty zone (0.5s penalty). I closed in on P1 and 2. They were having a bit of argy bargy and one of them picked up a 1s penalty. The other guy I somehow passed, not sure how, think from the argy bargy. I'm right up there with the leader, and it's clear he isn't at the top of his game. I'm in P2 and he has a 1s penalty, so no reason to try passing, even if he is holding me up on the corners.. He's in front, that's his prerogative :indiff:.

Anyway, with 2 laps to go we are headed to T1. I move across a car width so that if his braking is better than mine I won't ram him. :banghead::banghead::banghead: I *still* managed to tap him. That was enough to unsettle him, so I backed off so he could regain control. He seemed settled again.. then spun out :eek:. I don't know if that was because he hadn't regained control, or made a mistake and lost it :confused:. Since I thought he had regained first, I continued. Sweating bullets and my thumbs quivering the whole race, with a 2s gap :

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I apologised to the guy I thought I had knocked, and he thanked me for the race :crazy:.

SR blue, DR up just over 1k. Another day above DR 1 :odd:.
 
The Karnival of Kaos has come to an end. The ballons have all been deflated. The fruit has been plucked from costumes and eaten.... or not plucked from costumes... but still eaten ;). The Sambabus dancers have all gone home, and a lull descends upon Brazil. But before all this toil came to an end, I had one last roll of the dice, one last turn of the wheel, one last drink at the Drunken Norwegian... Ok yeh, I think you get the picture :dopey:. I think I've only done two races this week... this last race will be the third. I kept falling asleep and waking up too groggy to race (Netflix is a curse... and now I feel the need to seek out a Seafood to teach me an effective Fist for GTS combat :odd:.).

I had done some qualifying with GM's plastic fantastic a couple of days ago, and had managed to practically match my Lexus time, with an optimum a second faster. I entered the race with very little time left to improve upon, so my Lexus time stuck. I realised that I was still wearing my DRWF livery. With my driving I'm not entirely convinced that the motto "Any publicity is good publicity." rings true :crazy:. Anyhoo, I started P4/15...behind the same bloody Porsche that held me up two days ago :rolleyes:.

The race starts, the T1 dash for crash is on like Donkey Kong (or some other "game & watch" game if you prefer .. Fire maybe?). I have no idea what happened behind me, but no one hit me and the guys in front weren't crashing into each other. The pesky Porsche went wide and into the penalty zone at T3, so I cruised on by. For some reason I get this feeling I must have been passed by someone, cause it's the only way the next sequence of events could have happened.

I gained a position passing a guy in the penalty zone (0.5s penalty). I closed in on P1 and 2. They were having a bit of argy bargy and one of them picked up a 1s penalty. The other guy I somehow passed, not sure how, think from the argy bargy. I'm right up there with the leader, and it's clear he isn't at the top of his game. I'm in P2 and he has a 1s penalty, so no reason to try passing, even if he is holding me up on the corners.. He's in front, that's his prerogative :indiff:.

Anyway, with 2 laps to go we are headed to T1. I move across a car width so that if his braking is better than mine I won't ram him. :banghead::banghead::banghead: I *still* managed to tap him. That was enough to unsettle him, so I backed off so he could regain control. He seemed settled again.. then spun out :eek:. I don't know if that was because he hadn't regained control, or made a mistake and lost it :confused:. Since I thought he had regained first, I continued. Sweating bullets and my thumbs quivering the whole race, with a 2s gap :

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I apologised to the guy I thought I had knocked, and he thanked me for the race :crazy:.

SR blue, DR up just over 1k. Another day above DR 1 :odd:.
It's always a pleasure to read about your races, I feel like I am in the passenger seat!
 
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