"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[NJT4567]

I will chime in on the hybrid group C debate. The first time I ran this combo I was TS050 exclusively, but the slow corners and the stability in the chicanes was killing me. I found the things fast, but unstable without massive downforce.

Last time around a bunch of people convinced me to have a go with the Gr. C cars. I found the Peugeot ok, but still a bit stiff no matter what brake settings, and I wasn't fast enough with it. Only other car I had was the 962. I found that I could keep at least close to the same speed in the Porsche and Corvette curves, but was way faster down the straight and found that I could really steer it through the chicanes, mulsanne, indy and arnage far more stable and smooth than the Toyota. In fact last night the last race when I was nailing mulsanne and arnage 4 of the laps I was still gaining on the hybrids through those spots as well. I would actually gain on the hybrid all the way through the exit up until their hybrid kicked in. Almost completely negating their advantage. With my ability to gain whole seconds down the straight due to a better top end and being more stable in the chicane it makes the car a real weapon.

If you have the ability to ram it through Corvette and porsche curve sections, which I am still working on but have seen others do really well, then there is no reason you cant match the hybrids. I understand at the top top lobbies it might be different, but at the mid to bottom of A, top of B area I am more effective in this than many others running the 'meta' option.
My (way more than) 2 cents worth.

Thanks for the heads up just had a run out in the 962C what a blast, love the handling, did a 20 minute test run in it and then did a race and won

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I have a theory that high downforce cars are faster for wheel users than ds4 users. I can, as I said, run at least 2 seconds faster in the 787 than the TS050, but I am also very much more consistent in it. Mechanical grip Vs downforce grip is, at least for me, much easier to feel the edges on the ds4.
So, I am 2 seconds faster, 5 laps that is only 10 second Vs a pitstop that's 13-14 seconds. But I am always on the brink of a track limit or a run off with the downforce car. So more confident in the group C and ergo faster than the TT difference.

 

[Veinz]

I ran 4 races from the back on my alt last night and they were mostly really clean, except for the part where I got on the throttle too quick, spun the Toyota into a wall and got a 5 second penalty for a wall collision.

The best I could do was P5. It’s pretty much impossible for me to catch the front runners unless they are really slow or there is a big crash.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

I lost 6 SR over two Race Cs because the person in front of me hit the brakes 25-50 meters sooner than I would have (even considering the draft). That's kind of annoying, and maybe even hard to avoid early on in the back of the pack.

This is why I'm more cautious during first laps before a grid is spread. With different brake bias, draft, and braking from different speeds since we have Gr.C and Hybrids together. People could brake where cones are placed instead of trackside marking points as well. A lot to consider. Maybe the car(s) ahead of him braked early and he had to react accordingly.

So why you create alt accounts?

I race with a wheel and DS4, I'm at different skill levels for both. I think it makes sense to have an account for each.

 

[Groundfish]

How long is a piece of string?

Any competitive lobby where drivers are at their real levels and not sandbagging or at too high from over achieving previous races. If you're a 50k+ driver in a 30k lobby of course you can get results, but in the same hands the TS050 is better every time

Ok, so no challenge, got it. .

@Pigems

Let’s be honest you’re so right. You can’t trust that rating against some random jackass in a short race. No way no way no way. I wouldn’t.
Not worth engaging against sketchy players.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Man, seaside is such a brilliant race track except for that STUPID chicane. It's a great track for passing and running multiple lines, really is, but the chicane just ruins all the fun.

 

[Ashthebash]

Ok, so no challenge, got it. .

Right though isn't it? It's all relative. I could say a particular lobby can't be beaten but one of the top guys probably could do it. A guy I used to race with a lot is at 43k and he's four seconds slower than me around Le Mans, so I could take him on in a Porsche, but it's me making up the difference, not the Porsche being able to compete with the Toyota.

But seeing as you want something specific, here's your challenge (which I fully expect you not to attempt). Run a lobby, five laps, ×5 fuel, can even turn tyres off to help the Porsche out. Get down to your best time in the Porsche and see how long it takes you to smash it in the TS050, I'd guess that the first decent, clean run would be enough.

It all goes full circle to my original post, when they bring up this combo it's always x5 fuel and that makes the Toyota the best race car, bar none. If they tweaked the multipliers slightly it would enable more cars to be competitive. And when I say competitive I mean truly competitive, and not having its deficiencies made up for by a superior driver

 

[jad866]

In case anyone may not know this man can drive.
Great time for Petronas last week man

Imo the only prob you have in c cars is dirty drivers in hybrids but tcs pretty much solves that. You can take some contact and not spin off that way.

I think I am the one that kicked this whole thing off. Driving 962 all the time this week. did 3 this morning lost all three times to a Toyota. but all 3 time i was leading going into the final lap . one my fault 2 not .

blew the 1st at Porsche curves over shot went into sand up by 3 seconds at that point
2nd race was going to blow past a toyota on muslane on last lap until he moved at last second (blocking) i rear ended him got a 1 sec ptly race over

last race again leading after Dunlop on last lap dive bombed by a Brazilian took a trip to the beach race over

drivers rating in all 3 were
A/S
A/S
A+/S

The track limits at La Sarthe are really taking the joy out of racing... Like I understand strick track limits on time trial, but when you're fighting side-by-side for a podium position, it gets really frustrating to get 0.5s penalty for putting half a tyre over the curb at the Mulsanne curve...


You don't say....
Just from the 962/928 little misunderstanding, I got the impression that you're the type of person to aggressively overreact to small things...

Maybe work on anger management... I imagine it has led you to unpleasant situations..


Well said...


I think it can be done too.... But not against players at your own level as @Ashthebash said.

Now I'm not accusing you of de-ranking on purpose, it's just the thing about daily race lobbies is that there are just too many variables...
For instance, being A/S doesn't mean you have A/S pace (I can personally attest for that), so although you may have gone against players that are technically at your level, it doesn't mean they're as good as you're.

LoL..... it is what it is just how I am wired some people are passive I am not wish I could be.. Al i was saying is a 962 can beat a Toyata. Never brought my driving record or boasted about it because i know what it looks like. I have 2 other accts that are much more consistent. Anyway see you guys out there

 

[Hobbyist_t20]

Man, seaside is such a brilliant race track except for that STUPID chicane. It's a great track for passing and running multiple lines, really is, but the chicane just ruins all the fun.

I like the chicane. I practiced the heck out of it, and it is the main reason I can pass people on that track. (exaggeration)

 

[chuyler1]

This single race absolutely destroyed my safety rating from S down to C. I think I'm done with the Seaside course unless I absolutely must race it. No one seems to know how to drive it wheel to wheel and if i'm not getting rammed, I'm picking up bogus penalties from others crashing in the chicane of death.



After this race, I got dumped into some of the worst online racing lobbies I've ever experienced in this game, getting so frustrated I forgot to save the replays. By the end of the night I eventually got my rating back up to B/A and managed a few wins. Maybe I need to stop picking such a slow car so I'm not surrounded by people with faster cars that cannot drive.

 

[Carrera1963]

Oh man, I just got hammered 3 times out of 4 in Race B - all starting near the back.

one good race, finished 4th due to some first lap carnage.

one race wasn’t too bad, a nice clean fight for 12th & then I got punted on the last lap by someone who’d caught up

the other two were a mess... and the first 3 dragged down my DR & SR so I ended up matched with a bunch of SR A & B’s..

the final race I ended up in a good fight for 9th, then passed a crash and ended up fighting for 4th on the back straight... then BOOM, some prick (YTB_JEZZA) punts two of us in the final corner, he gets a 2s penalty, tries to take someone else out before the line, and ends up 6th. I was 9th & the other puntee 12th.

one bad night racing, gone from B/S99 to C/A!

I got at least 3 penalties due to someone else pushing me off... when’s the “new” system starting?

 

[Hobbyist_t20]

This single race absolutely destroyed my safety rating from S down to C. I think I'm done with the Seaside course unless I absolutely must race it. No one seems to know how to drive it wheel to wheel and if i'm not getting rammed, I'm picking up bogus penalties from others crashing in the chicane of death.



After this race, I got dumped into some of the worst online racing lobbies I've ever experienced in this game, getting so frustrated I forgot to save the replays. By the end of the night I eventually got my rating back up to B/A and managed a few wins. Maybe I need to stop picking such a slow car so I'm not surrounded by people with faster cars that cannot drive.

Not going to lie, it IS a tough track online, and there are many spots I have to back out, instead of going wheel to wheel.
Last night was a rollercoaster for me, 1 or 2 blah races, a great race where I was door number 3, started in 8, ended 2nd, and then a minor and a major disaster race. I ended up only gaining 100-150 DR over the whole night, but I think the experience will pay off over the week
I also tried something new. I Tried the qualifying time trial with a few different cars. At first I tried with the GR 3 Jaguar, which is new to me. I wasn't able to get the feeling of the car down too well.
I then Tried it with my tried and true Supra, which is my go-to GR.3. I was able to improve my time by about 2 seconds! I did a couple races in this car, which were a little blah, but mostly even.
I then qualified with the Corvette, which, even though I didn't quite match my time with the supra, felt so solid on this track, that I took it to a couple races. This was my 8th to second race and the one after. Another reason I took this car is that I was able to run it with TCS down to 1. (controller user, and rear wheel drive cars are usually either a 1 or 2.)
I tried qualifying with the GT-R, but even though I could get close to my supra time, I felt that the lack of handling would get me in trouble in an online race.
Lastly, I tried the mercedes AMG Gt3 '16 for the first time, and was able to get over a second better than my supra time! I wasn't able to try it in race, as it was already after midnight. The car feels great at TCS at 1, so i'm looking forward to giving it a try.

 

[chuyler1]

Yeah, I was at A/S before this race and dropped me to I think C/C through basically no fault of my own. Ok maybe not no fault, I didn't exactly give the Viper any space to get back on track after he rammed me...but everything else I was just trying to stay away from people. No one learns you cannot go 2-wide into the chicane and live to see the other side. The rest of my races put me on the front row with a bunch of other C drivers behind me...you know how well that turns out. By my last race I had worked myself into a lobby where I was 3rd on the grid, 2nd place driver botched the first sequence of turns and then I was able to chase the leader down. There was no way I was going to get past him but he eventually tagged the wall exiting the chicane and I slipped past without any drama. Ended the evening with a win against a grid of B drivers...but I'd much rather be mid pack in my mid pack Mazda with my A/S peeps.

BTW, the Mazda with me behind the wheel is good for a 1:38.5 qualification run. It's no slouch, it just doesn't make speed on the straights so drivers get up to your bumper and think they can brake at the same point as you. By the end of the night I was just giving others a clear as day outside line braking zone so they wouldn't ram me. With a wheel, I run it with TCS at 1 for dry tracks and 2 for wet tracks. Brake bias 2/rear to get more rotation under trail braking.

 

[LVS_1986]

Aaand finally Im proud A ranked driver! I know that for many of you thats nothing, youre much faster drivers with A+, but for me it is BIG, Im very happy. Now to Nations race to get eaten alive, beacause I know I dont belong to A, only this week combo let me gain so much DR...

 

[Hobbyist_t20]

Yeah, I was at A/S before this race and dropped me to I think C/C through basically no fault of my own. Ok maybe not no fault, I didn't exactly give the Viper any space to get back on track after he rammed me...but everything else I was just trying to stay away from people. No one learns you cannot go 2-wide into the chicane and live to see the other side. The rest of my races put me on the front row with a bunch of other C drivers behind me...you know how well that turns out. By my last race I had worked myself into a lobby where I was 3rd on the grid, 2nd place driver botched the first sequence of turns and then I was able to chase the leader down. There was no way I was going to get past him but he eventually tagged the wall exiting the chicane and I slipped past without any drama. Ended the evening with a win against a grid of B drivers...but I'd much rather be mid pack in my mid pack Mazda with my A/S peeps.

Wow, that's a big drop, I can feel your pain. I'm a C-rated driver, which is my highest rating so far, so what I'm used to is probably vastly different. I'm thinking my goal with the controller is mid DR-B.
I'm trying to figure out how to manage Yellow flags well. I got a penalty in one race for passing on a yellow, which is only the second time ever. I don't know how to react to a yellow flag in a way that I don't lose loads of time.

 

[chuyler1]

Wow, that's a big drop, I can feel your pain. I'm a C-rated driver, which is my highest rating so far, so what I'm used to is probably vastly different. I'm thinking my goal with the controller is mid DR-B.
I'm trying to figure out how to manage Yellow flags well. I got a penalty in one race for passing on a yellow, which is only the second time ever. I don't know how to react to a yellow flag in a way that I don't lose loads of time.

As long as you don't complete a pass against an un-ghosted car driving at race pace you won't get penalized during a yellow. At seaside, they throw the yellow for the chicane all the way at the previous turn so you know what's coming up. Take the next sequence of turns at maybe 80% to give you grip to avoid whatever is on the other side. If you run your normal speed, you wont have any time or available grip to react to changing lines. What taught me the most about this was actually iRacing oval track racing. It took me forever to get out of the rookie class, then I realized as soon as you see a wreck forming, lift off and coast your way through. Don't wait until the wreck is upon you to react to it.

 

[Groundfish]

Right though isn't it? It's all relative. I could say a particular lobby can't be beaten but one of the top guys probably could do it. A guy I used to race with a lot is at 43k and he's four seconds slower than me around Le Mans, so I could take him on in a Porsche, but it's me making up the difference, not the Porsche being able to compete with the Toyota.

But seeing as you want something specific, here's your challenge (which I fully expect you not to attempt). Run a lobby, five laps, ×5 fuel, can even turn tyres off to help the Porsche out. Get down to your best time in the Porsche and see how long it takes you to smash it in the TS050, I'd guess that the first decent, clean run would be enough.

It all goes full circle to my original post, when they bring up this combo it's always x5 fuel and that makes the Toyota the best race car, bar none. If they tweaked the multipliers slightly it would enable more cars to be competitive. And when I say competitive I mean truly competitive, and not having its deficiencies made up for by a superior driver

I did that last time, can’t get times in ts 050.
Then again I’m not the best at Lemans, plus I WANT tire wear. The more the better!
The idea that certain cars wear tires is sorta true, but it’s a lot more to do with driver than people commonly believez
The 962 can do it, it’s already been proven. The 962 keeps up good on acceleration but you gotta hook it up on exit not come out with wheelspin which means carrying a bit of momentum also, you can’t drive the way 95 percent of people do bumper to bumper all in the same car driving the same way their you tuber of choice said to.
You can in 962 stay in draft on exit if you’re smooth of ts050.
The more tire wear the better imo. The fact you mention tire wear shows me you haven’t used the car. Plus most people don’t manage fuel correctly their shift points are all wrong at fm1.
Just because people make tactical errors using the car doesn’t mean the car is deficient. The ts050 is brainless.
Others have said it and done it. (gotten podium). Tbh the biggest problem you have if qualifying in that car is ts050 drivers bashing you lap 1. For a CLEAN race starting up front with EQUAL skill in both cars anything can happen imo.
It’s sad that the meta mentality results in people in the ‘meta’ treating other players carelessly and punting them.
Yes, if you just want to hop in something that doesn’t reward a bit more tactical thinking and race take a hybrid.
Just don’t discount the 962 as a vehicle because most drivers try to use it like other cars.
See the comment from @bdubclub. I dunno if you’ve raced him a lot, but I’ve raced him several times and he’s very very competent in cars of this nature. He has proved the idea.
Last time we had this, I found the car competitive. Others do too.
There’s more depth to many cars in the game, you can’t just run a few laps in one and conclude it’s a dog.
The other one I’ve seen that I don’t know the secret to is 787b. There’s drivers out there that can compete with that car also.
Imo people need to keep open minds and think for themselves not just clone whatever the pundits tell them.
How can YOU do best? How do YOU get the times?
This game isn’t just copy you tuber x.
There’s many ways to get times, just because you haven’t seen it doesn’t mean it’s de facto impossible.
Good discussion tho definitely.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Yeah, I was at A/S before this race and dropped me to I think C/C through basically no fault of my own. Ok maybe not no fault, I didn't exactly give the Viper any space to get back on track after he rammed me...but everything else I was just trying to stay away from people. No one learns you cannot go 2-wide into the chicane and live to see the other side. The rest of my races put me on the front row with a bunch of other C drivers behind me...you know how well that turns out. By my last race I had worked myself into a lobby where I was 3rd on the grid, 2nd place driver botched the first sequence of turns and then I was able to chase the leader down. There was no way I was going to get past him but he eventually tagged the wall exiting the chicane and I slipped past without any drama. Ended the evening with a win against a grid of B drivers...but I'd much rather be mid pack in my mid pack Mazda with my A/S peeps.

BTW, the Mazda with me behind the wheel is good for a 1:38.5 qualification run. It's no slouch, it just doesn't make speed on the straights so drivers get up to your bumper and think they can brake at the same point as you. By the end of the night I was just giving others a clear as day outside line braking zone so they wouldn't ram me. With a wheel, I run it with TCS at 1 for dry tracks and 2 for wet tracks. Brake bias 2/rear to get more rotation under trail braking.

Where are you finding the 38.5? I cannot get my qualy in order and am stuck on a 40.1 but I am racing in the mid 40's. With a wiling partner this track is excellent for racing, the corner at the end of the esses offers two to three lines and multiple ways to pass. The final corner is super critical and offers excellent passing opportunities into T1.

 

[Groundfish]

Where are you finding the 38.5? I cannot get my qualy in order and am stuck on a 40.1 but I am racing in the mid 40's. With a wiling partner this track is excellent for racing, the corner at the end of the esses offers two to three lines and multiple ways to pass. The final corner is super critical and offers excellent passing opportunities into T1.

With a good lobby amazing track.
Bad lobby-nightmare of rage.

 

[Hobbyist_t20]

As long as you don't complete a pass against an un-ghosted car driving at race pace you won't get penalized during a yellow. At seaside, they throw the yellow for the chicane all the way at the previous turn so you know what's coming up. Take the next sequence of turns at maybe 80% to give you grip to avoid whatever is on the other side. If you run your normal speed, you wont have any time or available grip to react to changing lines. What taught me the most about this was actually iRacing oval track racing. It took me forever to get out of the rookie class, then I realized as soon as you see a wreck forming, lift off and coast your way through. Don't wait until the wreck is upon you to react to it.

Thanks for the tip.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I haven't raced at Le Mans yet this week but wanted to share this. Technology keeps improving

https://earth.google.com/web/@47.95...JhMDAZtda8T_r1R0Aht1GuOrwxxT8qBlNhcnRoZRgBIAE

Soon we can race on Google Earth! Free roam GT in major cities?

 

[milehighmadd]

Tried the Toyota at Le Mans, 2 seconds a lap slower than the Peugeot in my hands. It does the full 5 laps, however my hand needs that bit of a rest during the pit stop for me to be consistent. Age and circulation thing. Made too many mistakes for me to be able to capitalise on not stopping.
I try not to be an aggressive driver so if it's neck and neck into a 1 car corner I back off, it does catch people by surprise sometimes
I use my alt account to test my capabilities then switch to main, or to check how others are racing. Both accounts are around the same level most of the time.

That's what's preventing me from thinking about trying this race on a DS4. I was watching pigems stream his try at it last night, and I'm all "Nope... I'll get numb fingers halfway through and trash my SR."

 

[bdubclub]

In case anyone may not know this man can drive.
Great time for Petronas last week man

Imo the only prob you have in c cars is dirty drivers in hybrids but tcs pretty much solves that. You can take some contact and not spin off that way.

Thank you for the kind words. That old SC430 didn’t get enough love last week, another red headed step child that nobody uses but is plenty capable.

 

[chuyler1]

Where are you finding the 38.5? I cannot get my qualy in order and am stuck on a 40.1 but I am racing in the mid 40's. With a wiling partner this track is excellent for racing, the corner at the end of the esses offers two to three lines and multiple ways to pass. The final corner is super critical and offers excellent passing opportunities into T1.

My first laps out were in the 40s, took a good 15-20 minute of clean lapping to find sub 40 chasing my own shadow, and then after some races and using the 5-6 minutes between to clean up my lines I got below 39. Understanding how trail braking works, and applying it to the game will give you speed. If you are 100% on the brakes and try to turn in, pretty much every car will understeer. If you are 100% off the brakes but going too fast, you will also understeer. Buuuut, if you are 100% on the brakes, then transition to 25% on the brakes as you turn in, the extra weight up front will give you more grip to carry speed down to the apex, then don't get on the gas until you are certain you can floor it, because as soon as you touch the throttle you'll lose that front grip. If you are still using a controller, I hope you have adjusted the control mapping to use the paddles (L2/R2 I think) as gas and brake which will allow you to finesse the inputs like pedals. Trail braking works best at Seaside into the final turn, but it's also affective at turn 1, entering the esses, and the hairpin on the back portion of the track. It becomes very rewarding when you get it right...but watch out for those punters behind you, they may see your late braking and late turn-in as an open door when in fact you're more than capable of carrying that speed through the corner.

 

[Groundfish]

I’ve seen people be fast with square and x too. Well timed tapping!

 

[milehighmadd]

My first laps out were in the 40s, took a good 15-20 minute of clean lapping to find sub 40 chasing my own shadow, and then after some races and using the 5-6 minutes between to clean up my lines I got below 39. Understanding how trail braking works, and applying it to the game will give you speed. If you are 100% on the brakes and try to turn in, pretty much every car will understeer. If you are 100% off the brakes but going too fast, you will also understeer. Buuuut, if you are 100% on the brakes, then transition to 25% on the brakes as you turn in, the extra weight up front will give you more grip to carry speed down to the apex, then don't get on the gas until you are certain you can floor it, because as soon as you touch the throttle you'll lose that front grip. If you are still using a controller, I hope you have adjusted the control mapping to use the paddles (L2/R2 I think) as gas and brake which will allow you to finesse the inputs like pedals. Trail braking works best at Seaside into the final turn, but it's also affective at turn 1, entering the esses, and the hairpin on the back portion of the track. It becomes very rewarding when you get it right...but watch out for those punters behind you, they may see your late braking and late turn-in as an open door when in fact you're more than capable of carrying that speed through the corner.

Great point regarding T1. I'll add too that I was able to shave 0.3-0.4s by shifting to 3rd gear halfway through T1 with the 911 and AMG instead of waiting until after the turn straightens out.

 

[Trone_Colby]

This single race absolutely destroyed my safety rating from S down to C. I think I'm done with the Seaside course unless I absolutely must race it. No one seems to know how to drive it wheel to wheel and if i'm not getting rammed, I'm picking up bogus penalties from others crashing in the chicane of death.



After this race, I got dumped into some of the worst online racing lobbies I've ever experienced in this game, getting so frustrated I forgot to save the replays. By the end of the night I eventually got my rating back up to B/A and managed a few wins. Maybe I need to stop picking such a slow car so I'm not surrounded by people with faster cars that cannot drive.

That was one ugly race. I don’t get it. DTS is a very popular track and people still can’t race it. Kudos to the Ford that braked at the chicane smh.

 

[roamingbard13]

That's what's preventing me from thinking about trying this race on a DS4. I was watching pigems stream his try at it last night, and I'm all "Nope... I'll get numb fingers halfway through and trash my SR."

You should try it anyways. I ran a 3:31 on the DS4 with this combo back in December. I bet you can beat that.

 

[chuyler1]

Great point regarding T1. I'll add too that I was able to shave 0.3-0.4s by shifting to 3rd gear halfway through T1 with the 911 and AMG instead of waiting until after the turn straightens out.

I've been staying in 3rd through T1-T2 unless someone slows me down. I tried staying in 3rd for the final turn too, but for some reason the car rotates better in 2nd. I'm back into 3rd before I reach full throttle though, a bit of a short shift to prevent wheelspin.

And yeah, I've seen some fast button mashers in my day. It's crazy that the game can account for such drastic inputs and allow a driver to be just as fast as someone who is extremely precise with a wheel and pedals. Pretty sure the Ford GT in my video above was mashing buttons for steering and gas/brake as he could drive a curved portion of the track without wiggling. I should have known better to be anywhere near him on the track.

 

[milehighmadd]

You should try it anyways. I ran a 3:31 on the DS4 with this combo back in December. I bet you can beat that.

Think that might motivate me. Been killing it at DTS so far and could use a challenge.