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BallPtPenTheif
There was no overlap heading into the braking zone. It's a classic barge pass. Barge passing is weird though. If you can make the pass without hitting anyone you're the next Sebastian Vettel. Touch anybody and you'll get a warning or a penalty. On paper though, the FIA is very specific about how corner rights work based upon car overlap.
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I don't know anything about FIA rules, I'll be honest...but the "braking zone" in this situation seems very fluid because of the grid start so neither of them were braking, haha.

I want to race cleanly and play as much on the side of the rules as possible, but at the same time, I'm not waiting for someone who is taking a suboptimal line because they got to the corner first, especially if there is plenty of space for both cars to get through without anyone losing speed as there was in this situation.

Say the situation were a little different, and the first car hit the brakes a little late and overshot the apex. Is the car behind them (who had no overlap) who hit the brakes at the optimal point expected to leave the apex open for them?
 
Neil1jnr
Yeah I'll give it a go at TC2 for GR3. Just did the FIA race with GR4 Ferrari 458 with no TC on, was no problem.

Strangely, I can manage the GR1 cars with no issue at TC1, for time the GR3 are most difficult to master!

Is there a thread similar to this but for the FIA races? Just came 13th, race was ruined on lap 1, got dive bombed and was last with 12 sec behind 19th place. Going to try again this evening!
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I have better luck with the ME cars on TCS 0, they will slide gradually. If you have TCS on it will snap out of control
 
I actually like it. Once you look down and realize you are attempting to negotiate Eau Rouge on street tires at 110+ mph you might have a little more respect for the car. It’s quite predictable at the limits you would expect to hit on the road and allows you to control the nose with both throttle and brake when necessary. You can’t expect a street car on street tires to handle on rails like a high downforce race car on race compound tires.

As I said above though, turn off ABS=normal and switch to ABS=weak and the car will behave a little more predictable. I’m down to a 2:43.7 qual, pretty sure I can get down to a high 2:42 if I put my best sectors together.

However, this combo isn’t a great racing combo, it’s basically down to getting a perfect qualifying lap, and hitting the lottery on the first 3 turns. After that, just don’t mess up your laps or attempt to pass anyone and you and the guy in front of you should finish where you qualified.
 
BallPtPenTheif
There was no overlap heading into the braking zone.
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There was also no braking in the braking zone.

The lead car was coasting for 1.6 seconds (~10.8 to ~12.4) - with no braking and somewhere between no and very little throttle. The first time he actually brakes is when the cars are already alongside each other and he's nosing for the apex. That's pretty much the reason why other car is alongside him: while he's been coasting through the braking zone, the other car has (probably) been full power off the line and then full braking into the apex (or "driving normally") through an enormous gap the width of the circuit.

We'd need to see it from the other car's point of view (and preferably the other driver's point of view), but it doesn't look at all like he's sent one, or having any trouble turning the car either.
 
@RacingGrandpa
@Tea_Leaves
Thanks, I was never sure about automatic SR down when quitting. I don't quit my main account unless I've entered a race where I've become a danger to others, usually a few too many drinks later on :lol:
I do quit on my alt account a lot, especially when it's artificially low DR and I'm racing obvious newbies, would rather give them the confidence boost if they've been clean :cheers:
 
250Cal
What a hateful piece of **** this Toyota is. I wonder whether the PR department at Toyota realises how badly their car is being represented in the game.
I'm tempted to go and test drive one to see what they're like.

Maybe I'm falling for an elaborate trap.
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What are you babbling on about? The Supra is fabulous. Just look.

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chuyler1
I actually like it. Once you look down and realize you are attempting to negotiate Eau Rouge on street tires at 110+ mph you might have a little more respect for the car. It’s quite predictable at the limits you would expect to hit on the road and allows you to control the nose with both throttle and brake when necessary. You can’t expect a street car on street tires to handle on rails like a high downforce race car on race compound tires.

As I said above though, turn off ABS=normal and switch to ABS=weak and the car will behave a little more predictable. I’m down to a 2:43.7 qual, pretty sure I can get down to a high 2:42 if I put my best sectors together.

However, this combo isn’t a great racing combo, it’s basically down to getting a perfect qualifying lap, and hitting the lottery on the first 3 turns. After that, just don’t mess up your laps or attempt to pass anyone and you and the guy in front of you should finish where you qualified.
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The stock Supra runs 19" rims with Michelin Pilot SS. The rear is a 275 section, 255 front. My understanding of GT Sport is that a Sport Hard tyre would be more like the Pilot Sport Cup, a step up from the Pilot SS. So that's a pretty big sticky tyre on a road car. It runs a 13.7" front disc, 13" rear. They boast that in terms of grip and braking performance it is better than a BMW M2 or equivalent Porsche Cayman. It runs a clever diff, albeit with an auto transmission, but they boast of excellent traction, stability and cornering.

In the game this car has a very weird grip profile. It does not want to stop, it does not feel happy going around a corner, it does not feel attached to the asphalt in any way shape or form. It wants to go sideways everywhere be that throttle, brake, corner exit, entry or apex. It will turn on its own axis in 5th. If this were an accurate representation of reality they wouldn't be able to sell such a car.

I'm doing mid 2:42s.

It's not the only car they've ****ed up. The 997 GT3 is dog****, too, for instance.

NoStopN
What are you babbling on about? The Supra is fabulous. Just look.

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That's an accurate representation of the feel of tyre/asphalt interface.
 
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BallPtPenTheif
There was no overlap heading into the braking zone. It's a classic barge pass. Barge passing is weird though. If you can make the pass without hitting anyone you're the next Sebastian Vettel. Touch anybody and you'll get a warning or a penalty. On paper though, the FIA is very specific about how corner rights work based upon car overlap.
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GT is extremely vague with their rules, where is it specifically stated? If the guy ahead brakes 50m early, it’s not a barge pass if my normal brake point puts me up his inside at the apex, it’s him driving slower.
 
250Cal
The stock Supra runs 19" rims with Michelin Pilot SS. The rear is a 275 section, 255 front. My understanding of GT Sport is that a Sport Hard tyre would be more like the Pilot Sport Cup, a step up from the Pilot SS. So that's a pretty big sticky tyre on a road car. It runs a 13.7" front disc, 13" rear. They boast that in terms of grip and braking performance it is better than a BMW M2 or equivalent Porsche Cayman. It runs a clever diff, albeit with an auto transmission, but they boast of excellent traction, stability and cornering.

In the game this car has a very weird grip profile. It does not want to stop, it does not feel happy going around a corner, it does not feel attached to the asphalt in any way shape or form. It wants to go sideways everywhere be that throttle, brake, corner exit, entry or apex. It will turn on its own axis in 5th. If this were an accurate representation of reality they wouldn't be able to sell such a car.

I'm doing mid 2:42s.

It's not the only car they've ****ed up. The 997 GT3 is dog****, too, for instance.
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It’s a road car, not a GT3, you can’t just mash the throttle/brakes... 120mph through Eau Rouge, with only a tiny brush of the brakes... you’re not doing that in the car IRL.

When you control the weight transfers, the car has a great balance.

2’40 lap time for any road car at Spa is very fast. GT3 race cars only run around 2’20 IRL.
 
Messing about with a few things just now. When I drive the Supra in the daily race it handles like there's a weird grip issue so I set up a lobby using the same car, track, tyres and BOP settings. The car handles very differently in the lobby. Much less sliding, better braking, better traction. It makes the daily race track feel like it's, for want of a better analogy, wet, or at least damp or the tyre is constantly dirty. Is this something other people have experienced? Is there an issue with my connection or something? Is there a reason why lobbies are different to daily race servers? Do PD make some changes to conditions behind the scenes?
 
250Cal
Messing about with a few things just now. When I drive the Supra in the daily race it handles like there's a weird grip issue so I set up a lobby using the same car, track, tyres and BOP settings. The car handles very differently in the lobby. Much less sliding, better braking, better traction. It makes the daily race track feel like it's, for want of a better analogy, wet, or at least damp or the tyre is constantly dirty. Is this something other people have experienced? Is there an issue with my connection or something? Is there a reason why lobbies are different to daily race servers? Do PD make some changes to conditions behind the scenes?
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Did you remember to set off track/wet surface grip to “Real”?
 
Probably covered many times but why is tire selection locked in as soon as entering a race? I assume during warm up there should be the option of changing but can't.
 
Pigems
Did you remember to set off track/wet surface grip to “Real”?
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Yes. Not that it was wet or I was running off track but yes.

Same car, BoP, tyre, aids off, ABS default, same DS4, same everything. Should have been like for like, I think?

Drives very different.
 
Matrix243123
Probably covered many times but why is tire selection locked in as soon as entering a race? I assume during warm up there should be the option of changing but can't.
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You have to change the front tires first.

250Cal
Yes. Not that it was wet or I was running off track but yes.

Same car, BoP, tyre, aids off, ABS default, same DS4, same everything. Should have been like for like, I think?

Drives very different.
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I figured, just thought I’d check just in case. :)
 
250Cal
In the game this car has a very weird grip profile. It does not want to stop, it does not feel happy going around a corner, it does not feel attached to the asphalt in any way shape or form. It wants to go sideways everywhere be that throttle, brake, corner exit, entry or apex. It will turn on its own axis in 5th. If this were an accurate representation of reality they wouldn't be able to sell such a car.

I'm doing mid 2:42s.
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Street cars driven at this level of aggression typically feel out of control. Insert Mustang leaving Cars and Coffee meme. A street car with a street suspension on overly grippy tires, and then you go and pull the ABS fuse and turn off traction control and romp it around a track at 140mph, yeah, it’s gonna behave like a wet noodle. It’s simply not a race car and it’s target audience isn’t expecting that, they are expecting a smooth riding GT car that they can show off to their friends...and maybe take it to an HPDE event once...and will never take traction control off unless trying to impress a lady with a launch on an empty road.
 
I was having a good bit of trouble yesterday, trying to figure out why I was so slow at Alsace. Today, I realized something that helped a lot.
Hopefully it helps someone else who's struggling with it.
It finally dawned on me that I was getting on the throttle too soon on corner exits. The tendency is to want to get back on it, asap.
I shaved about 2 seconds off my lap time by waiting just a little longer to accelerate.
It's particularly important for the first 3 right hand turns. 👍
 
chuyler1
Street cars driven at this level of aggression typically feel out of control. Insert Mustang leaving Cars and Coffee meme. A street car with a street suspension on overly grippy tires, and then you go and pull the ABS fuse and turn off traction control and romp it around a track at 140mph, yeah, it’s gonna behave like a wet noodle. It’s simply not a race car and it’s target audience isn’t expecting that, they are expecting a smooth riding GT car that they can show off to their friends...and maybe take it to an HPDE event once...and will never take traction control off unless trying to impress a lady with a launch on an empty road.
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I've driven plenty of road cars on track and whereas they are clearly compromised they are at least relatively consistent and predictable. That would include things like M3, M5, RS4 on the Nordschleife where 140+ is seen several times. I've never driven a road car of any type that behaves like this other than on snow and ice. Per above, maybe there's an underlying issue somewhere.
 
Back on the Dailies after a few weeks away....Race B was the choice with Spa on offer of course (had a try yesterday while being rusty, and went from S to B SR :( ) But after setting a decent 2:43.5 qualy time after a few laps, 2 poles and victories! :D​

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The Hamstermobile Supra looks nifty too!

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Also, last week I created a new UK PSN at last (needed for being a Londoner lol), and a win or 2 there also, Race C was a nice cruise at a track I'd never even been introduced to before!

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Feel free to add me at "HamsterRacing80", and I'll gladly accept you! :cheers: 👍
 
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Managed to get my 400th win in the NSX on race C now I've signed for honda I thought I'd use it
Terrible car for that race but cos of how bad it is I rage quit and got a DR reset so in slightly lower lobbies managed to get the win with it

The mediums are like one lap tyres on this car if you drive normally it's so annoying
 
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