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6BK
Just my opinion, others will differ...

First off I feel that many who visit here are led to think that driving without assists is the “right” way to play because there may be a small bit of snobbishness especially from purists who pride themselves on using zero assists. Certainly I think most here would say that counter steering assist, something that doesn’t exist in the real world should not exist in “The real driving simulator”. TCS however does exist and is used in real race cars though so there goes the purist’s argument.

Use of any assist in game can only be judged by the individual. There may be sone mathematical formula to say that “+1 of TCS = -X% of acceleration“ but extra time gained by reducing TCS us no use if you keep spinning out / crashing with it off. You then need another formula to calculate time gained vs risk of lost control. In other words, do what is most comfortable for you and whatever gets you the most consistent and enjoyable results.

Personally when I used DS4 because it’s more difficult (IMO) to regulate the throttle I used some TCS. Now that I use wheel and pedals I generally race without. However, on race A this week I use TCS +1 for launch control from standing starts and turn off once we’re moving. On races where I forgot to turn it off my race lap times were not noticeably different.

Basically, TCS off may have fractional gains which are not enough to justify if you can’t lap consistently without it and only you can judge that.

Hope that helps.
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I am on a DS4 too, and in the GR 2 I run TCS 2.
I hear people saying it bogs the car down but if you get your steering in to about 50% before going full throttle it won't break your speed so much that you really benefit from going TCS 0, unless you are really good at driving.
I also use TCS 2 on some FR gr3 cars when there is some dirty driving going on, it makes me much more planted and far more difficult to push off. Especially side swiping is less dangerous.
But since TCS cuts the power depending on steering above 1 you need to adjust to it.

Edit: all MR I have to run TCS 0 or every slide becomes a spin. If TCS is 0 they can easily be caught
 
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Edit: all MR I have to run TCS 0 or every slide becomes a spin. If TCS is 0 they can easily be caught
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Exactly why I say it’s so personal. The 1 class of Gr3 That I absolutely have to use TCS on is MR which is total opposite to you. Neither is right or wrong. @Lateralus5813 will just have to go with the flow and find what suits.

@05XR8 Do you reckon this week’s Race B is the most varied for car choice? Even the top 10 on EMEA has a selection. I’ve set similar times in WRX, Lancer, Atenza, AMG, Vantage, M6. It’s one of my weakest tracks. I usually qualify between 2 and 3% of top region quali but here I’m 5%. Inability to find the right car and being so far off good quali has kept me out of races.
 
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Groundfish
This morning I’m sitting here with coffee and realized that in my races last night I went from B A to D E again on the alt.
Should have given myself a DUI before entry...This sucks it’ll be minimum 3 races to get back plus I accidentally qualified on top of it...
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You don’t need to be drunk to drop to D/E in race A. It just helps make it more fun and also numbs the pain.
 
I'm in lobby D/B at the moment, for the last 2 races in A, have found that the drivers seem to be a little more race focused on the track rather than just smacking thier way through, the only thing with this group is the driving errors are more frequent, but as far as I am concerned these errors are totally acceptable as there is no malice in then, it's enjoyable racing.
 
RacingGrandpa
Edit: all MR I have to run TCS 0 or every slide becomes a spin. If TCS is 0 they can easily be caught
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That's a great point... it's counterintuitive, but yes, the TCS can mask the potential oversteer until it's too late to catch it, so it can actually increase the potential to spin in some cases. The Miata spec racers are an example... a few months back at BMB I was having trouble in the big sweeper first turn section when I realized I had the TCS on at 1... it was snapping while I was trying to apply the throttle through that turn, and I couldn't figure it out. You'd think it would always help prevent it, but if it's covering up the feedback, you can't control it as easily.

In general I find TCS 0 is the way to go with a wheel, but for sure in certain cases (in addition to grid starts of course) a 1 or maybe even a 2 is not a bad idea (road cars on street tires: yes, most always. Supra for example... Porsche GT3, etc).

For example, I ran the first two laps on TCS 1 in the FIA event with Gr2 cars at RBR last night. Just to make sure I didn't bin it on cold tires and in proximity to others in close quarters, until things settled out. The pace gained is lost in a hurry when you loop it on exit or get a penalty for contact.
 
Groundfish
It’s a fricken joke sometimes.
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How's this for a joke?
The lack of respect I showed to my opponents was just appalling. :rolleyes:

A ghosted car was placed on the track right where I was driving. Penalty was for "Colliding With Another Car". :confused:
Excuse me, but a ghost isn't a car. If I can drive through it, I can't possibly collide with it. :irked:
@Redneckchef, this is the incident.



In the next race, the game played another good joke on me. :lol:



Ehh, whatever :indiff:
 
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sturk0167
How's this for a joke?
The lack of respect I showed to my opponents was just appalling. :rolleyes:

A ghosted car was placed on the track right where I was driving. Penalty was for "Colliding With Another Car". :confused: Excuse me, but a ghost isn't a car. If I can drive through it, I can't possibly collide with it. :irked:
@Redneckchef, this is the incident.



In the next race, the game played another good joke on me. :lol:



Ehh, whatever :indiff:
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Ouch. Most of mine were my own doing. Eventually somebody is going to put up a clip of me smashing them.
I got hit hardest by the sr down sledgehammer tho. Car tap boom.
The game truly seems to hate you though lol
 
Lateralus5813
Just a quick question regarding TCS. Is there an average of how much you lose at each level? I play with DS4 and depending on the power of the car I ramp it up a bit. For slower cars I use 1 and like for the 08' Xanavi GT-R I used 3 cause below it I was spinning like crazy. Should I focus on using it at a lower level? Is it worth it using a controller?
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This conversation never gets old. Most use TCS on a grid start. I never use it otherwise. One reason is the fun factor...and my driving style. I tend to steer with the throttle sometimes. It can often be faster, depending on car, and corner. Typically not much above gr3 though, with some gr2 exceptions. Super high downforce cars like to be driven stuck, and sliding is usually bad. I don't usually have a problem spinning out, but it does happen, which is a down side. A bigger downside is that, when hard on the gas, a little tap mid corner can do real damage. I would bring up tire wear, but I don't really consider it an issue. I do have problems with tire wear, but it's always the fronts, and due to getting in too hot and pushing the fronts too much. That all goes back to my lack of brake feel. I've gotten better (Nord helped!) And have tire squeel turned way up, music way down. I try to judge brake pressure by sound, but they're not very linear... one day I'll get better equipment and maybe it won't be such an issue. With the right track (Tsukaba?) Being able to drive hard, early, and using throttle oversteer to tighten your line, thereby keeping on track, can give your speed a real boost, and it's fun!
 
sturk0167
How's this for a joke?
The lack of respect I showed to my opponents was just appalling. :rolleyes:

A ghosted car was placed on the track right where I was driving. Penalty was for "Colliding With Another Car". :confused:
Excuse me, but a ghost isn't a car. If I can drive through it, I can't possibly collide with it. :irked:
@Redneckchef, this is the incident.



In the next race, the game played another good joke on me. :lol:



Ehh, whatever :indiff:
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I watched the 1st clip 10 times and still can’t figure where the Ghost came from. It must have gone miles off track and was being repositioned.

I took a vid but haven’t uploaded yet. The same back straight on Monza as Sturk’s 1st vid I got smacked from behind so bad it put me off the track and all the way across the gravel. When I finally stopped sliding by hitting the crash barrier it gave me 1.5 secs penalty for hitting the barrier. I know I’m only back after a long break but the system is seriously messed up now.
 
Rexracer702
This conversation never gets old. Most use TCS on a grid start. I never use it otherwise. One reason is the fun factor...and my driving style. I tend to steer with the throttle sometimes. It can often be faster, depending on car, and corner. Typically not much above gr3 though, with some gr2 exceptions. Super high downforce cars like to be driven stuck, and sliding is usually bad. I don't usually have a problem spinning out, but it does happen, which is a down side. A bigger downside is that, when hard on the gas, a little tap mid corner can do real damage. I would bring up tire wear, but I don't really consider it an issue. I do have problems with tire wear, but it's always the fronts, and due to getting in too hot and pushing the fronts too much. That all goes back to my lack of brake feel. I've gotten better (Nord helped!) And have tire squeel turned way up, music way down. I try to judge brake pressure by sound, but they're not very linear... one day I'll get better equipment and maybe it won't be such an issue. With the right track (Tsukaba?) Being able to drive hard, early, and using throttle oversteer to tighten your line, thereby keeping on track, can give your speed a real boost, and it's fun!
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I too steer with the throttle, even with TCS 2. And when we had the tuning race on Tsukuba I had my all time highest DR, inspite using TCS 2.
About tire wear on FR I have a lot more success using the brake balance to even it up. And with TCS 2 on as an example Mustang gr 3 I can run on half red tires with no problem.
 
I got t-boned in the Tokyo race the other day. He must have been over a second back, going into the hairpin. I didn't even know who hit me. I was racing from the back, and was up to a battle for 2nd place, though 4th (not really in the battle for second, but blocking)was not being nice. The other guy, who I had passed at least twice, and gone through the tunnel side by side with, waited for me to catch up. I thought he might have hit me in the hairpin, but on replay it was the 4th place guy, who dissapeared. Anyway, I caught him just before the right hand sweeper just before the chicane, and since he was slowed at that point, and I still thought he may be trying to give the position back though he was covering the inside, I pulled a sick, slide around the outside pass for second. The rest of the race was like that. 1st was 12 seconds gone, and 4th was 8 seconds back, and we battled hard, and made some sick, but clean passes. Some great side by side racing. Last lap I was behind coming into the chicane, trying to get a drive. He got in hot and almost clipped the barrier coming out, and I just missed him as I passed on his left and drove home for the win...okay, 2nd, but it felt like a win. I saved the replay, and watched. He never touched me, but saw the 4th place guy t-bone me, and just waited so we could race, since we had huge gaps both front and back. Now THAT should be worth a 99 SR no matter where he started. Hope to see him again.
 
Also a DS4 user. When it comes to TCS, I reckon it's about what works best for you. Sure on this forum, you'd never have a common consensus as to what's best.

Personal preference for me, is learning how to drive the car with TCS turned off. Does it make me any quicker? I doubt it. But just my preference.

Similar to the debate of auto vs manual, Personally use manual and enjoy it. But it's about what works best for you.

Try the various options and see what you enjoy the most.
 
RacingGrandpa
I too steer with the throttle, even with TCS 2. And when we had the tuning race on Tsukuba I had my all time highest DR, inspite using TCS 2.
About tire wear on FR I have a lot more success using the brake balance to even it up. And with TCS 2 on as an example Mustang gr 3 I can run on half red tires with no problem.
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Just an example of how your brain can get in the way of your driving. I know it sounds weird, but I almost always drive better and smoother (not faster) on worn tires. I tend to over-drive( working on it), but when tires go off, if you do that, you go off too. I can't tell you how many times i find myself struggling to keep up, and making mistakes, but when my tires wear enough where I really need to back down, I start gaining positions. I tend to do really well on worn tires, which is good since I (too often) cook my tires trying too hard. If I can just find a happy medium...
 
Rexracer702
Just an example of how your brain can get in the way of your driving. I know it sounds weird, but I almost always drive better and smoother (not faster) on worn tires. I tend to over-drive( working on it), but when tires go off, if you do that, you go off too. I can't tell you how many times i find myself struggling to keep up, and making mistakes, but when my tires wear enough where I really need to back down, I start gaining positions. I tend to do really well on worn tires, which is good since I (too often) cook my tires trying too hard. If I can just find a happy medium...
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I do well on worn tires too. Before the FIA race on RBR I put on hards to get used to it and had half an hour to practice. The first 10 minutes I kept running off, overdriving the car.
I put down the control and thought of that scene with Clint jogging in "Heartbreak Ridge", breathed out and relaxed.
Four laps later I improved on my FP time on mediums....
crusselz
Similar to the debate of auto vs manual, Personally use manual and enjoy it. But it's about what works best for you.
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It's true that you can enjoy AT but there is no denying that MT trumps AT when it comes to saving tires and fuel.

Edit: now back to SR 99, officially retired my main, Resident_Knievel from daily racing. The penalty system is just too much out of whack now.
 
6BK
@RacingGrandpa Exactly why I say it’s so personal. The 1 class of Gr3 That I absolutely have to use TCS on is MR which is total opposite to you. Neither is right or wrong. @Lateralus5813 will just have to go with the flow and find what suits.

@05XR8 Do you reckon this week’s Race B is the most varied for car choice? Even the top 10 on EMEA has a selection. I’ve set similar times in WRX, Lancer, Atenza, AMG, Vantage, M6. It’s one of my weakest tracks. I usually qualify between 2 and 3% of top region quali but here I’m 5%. Inability to find the right car and being so far off good quali has kept me out of races.
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I've only done three total races. However, the grids were definitely varied. Not one car was dominate on the grid.

I set an initial 47.xxx. decided to dig deep and got down to a 45.935. the first race last night, I was behind an A/S RC Z(45.xxx) and an A+RSR on Pole(44.9xx). WRX behind and I think a Viper behind it. Bottom of the field were D/S.

I was all over the RC Z(it was having trouble with MR-sliiiiide). Us three left everyone behind by 9 seconds at the finish, with 1.8 seconds separating us. The Viper jumped the WRX.

Tried to qualy with the RSR. Couldn't extract the speed. Tried BB -2 like the RX-VISION, car doesn't feel fast. I'll give it corner exit acceleration though. Rear grip kept it planted. Anyway, I switched back to the RC F.

I was on the back of the same RSR for two laps, then I got .5 for the final chicane exit kerb. Game over. Gap was 4 seconds at the finish.

Vantage finished behind me another 5 seconds. Less than half were D/S.

Varied fields can also come down to how many cars players have, how much time players put into the game and when some players have started the game. Sure, driving what players are more comfortable with using is paramount, but lower ranked players seem to mix up the cars on any one grid.
 
sturk0167
How's this for a joke?
The lack of respect I showed to my opponents was just appalling. :rolleyes:

A ghosted car was placed on the track right where I was driving. Penalty was for "Colliding With Another Car". :confused:
Excuse me, but a ghost isn't a car. If I can drive through it, I can't possibly collide with it. :irked:
@Redneckchef, this is the incident.
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That looks about right. I got my first DR reset with penalties like that at Monza. My NA al lt is currently in the SR dumper so maybe going to see a race C or 2 there today. See if I cant squeeze a win out.

I did manage to get 2 wall penalties with 1 crash there last night though. Tried adjusting my chicane entry on lap 9 of the race to see if I could smooth things out. Smacked the barriers at the end and bounced into the outer wall as well. Cost me my CRB.
 
I roll with the DS4 as well. I use varying TCS depending on what I am driving these days. Most gr4 cars and below are no TCS, although sometimes I switch to 1 for the FF cars simply as I have trouble regulating throttle smooth enough on corner exit. Gr3 cars vary between 1 and 2 depending on the stability, and gr2 and up sit at TCS 2.

I have tried scaling it down, but just not ready for it yet. As most others have said, run what keeps you fastest while still on track. No sense fighting for the extra tenth or 2 if it costs you a spin and crash every couple of laps.
 
Three crappy Race Bs with the Mclaren F1, went back to the 650 and finished 4th, I can finally go to bed :lol::lol::lol::lol:

The F1 is a beast.

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@sturk0167 video as promised. Your favourite; Ascari. Lap 1, already running way back after a mess up of my own doing on T1. I get hit so hard I landed in the next race. He gets 2 seconds. I get 1.5 for hitting the barrier.

That crap aside tonight was fun. 5 Race A’s, 5 top 5 finishes and while it wasn’t always clean it was fun. Including my 2nd win at Monza this week (and I don’t win many).
 
6BK
Personally when I used DS4 because it’s more difficult (IMO) to regulate the throttle I used some TCS. Now that I use wheel and pedals I generally race without. However, on race A this week I use TCS +1 for launch control from standing starts and turn off once we’re moving.
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I did the same when I ran on the DS4. Right before I got my wheel, I flirted with 0 TC, but it was on the Gr. 4 86.

RacingGrandpa
I am on a DS4 too, and in the GR 2 I run TCS 2.
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I use a wheel & still use TC 2 for Gr. 2 cars. :lol:
 
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