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AfraidRacer
I had an extremely crappy day yesterday, was pushing too hard at Bathurst and ended up spinning in both because I just couldn't keep up. Then tried to go to DTS for some fun racing and was dead last on pace because it was my first time doing that race, and I was a bit careless in a few corners so got a few SR Downs and penalties. I stopped focusing after that and got disqualified for doing donuts while getting lapped.
Question for everyone here: How do you not get demotivated while racing for minor positions? How do you know the limit of how much to push? I think I will hover around 20K DR for now, don't see myself getting too much faster in the near future unless it's a Monday.
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You get motivated by trying to improve, or at least have a really great battle. Some of my best ever tight hard and clean battles have been for mid pack positions or worse. It also helps to remember that even losing those battles is fine as long as it was a good clean battle. That type of racing is good for building both racecraft and confidence. And yeah, some lobbies are just going to be a wash. I was so out of my depth in a couple races earlier this year it was my goal to race as hard as I could so I wouldn't get lapped, and I bounce around the A and B line. Just set some goals that are difficult but achievable and keep pushing for them. Sometimes it just isnt your day for matchmaking as well.
 
NosOsH
Penalties are brutal this week, <... snip...> waste of 30 minutes.
Every couple weeks it seems like this happens now, just cant bring myself to drive at the back for 2 or 3 races to farm sr, simply dont have the time in the day to waste on this game anymore...
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I feel your pain. SR farming at DTS is harder this week than other Daily C races. I expect it can be attributed to the Gr 4 format. I have been stuck in the SR.70 area this week and I have simply made peace with it. Enjoy the race, apply more discretion and the SR will come back. I confess I like the SR.70 type level. If I stay out of the fray guys just punt each other and clear the track. I feel a little guilty... nah!
 
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Redneckchef
You get motivated by trying to improve, or at least have a really great battle. Some of my best ever tight hard and clean battles have been for mid pack positions or worse. It also helps to remember that even losing those battles is fine as long as it was a good clean battle. That type of racing is good for building both racecraft and confidence. And yeah, some lobbies are just going to be a wash. I was so out of my depth in a couple races earlier this year it was my goal to race as hard as I could so I wouldn't get lapped, and I bounce around the A and B line. Just set some goals that are difficult but achievable and keep pushing for them. Sometimes it just isnt your day for matchmaking as well.
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Yeah, I seem to work best in the 5-10 range, I suffer a bit when I qualify in podiums. I totally get that, but after getting a podium in one race and then hopelessly outmatched in the next race my motivation seems to suffer a bit. I only work best when I'm in complete tryhard mode, racing for fun usually makes me spin out more.
 
Tried the F-Type on my main. From 6th to 5th. My finger slipped off the accelerator trigger and I messed up thos ebhind as we exited the hairpin before the PZ. three cars had to evade. I stayed out front, but let the NSX that started behind me, gave him my position. From there we traded positions over all laps. The NSX would gap me from the uphill esses, but I'd be on its rear bumper everywhere else. It made a few bobbles and got pushed off at the Seaside chicane, by a disgruntled TT. I mean, the NSx did try to go side by side with the TT before the COD. I said to myself, let the TT go, we'll get it on tyre wear. Sure enough, it had got 3 seconds for that shunt, but it pit for tyres anyway.

F-Type stayed consistent with my fastest lap on Lap 9. 48.1s after Lap 2.

Edit: Must be psychological or I just wasn't pushing in the previous race. Jumped in my alt. Started 3rd behind an F-Type and lead TT( on RM). Lap 10 was a 49.3 with me slowing to let it pass at T1.
Ran 47s Lap 2, a 46 Lap3 and 47s Lap4-7, 48.0 and 48.1 Lap 8 & 9, with the TT behind, after pitting for RH. Lap 10 was 49.313, due to me slowing, for the TT to pass at T1.

The P1 Jag ran 47s every lap, but three 46s on Laps 2, 6 & 7.
 
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DanSHW
Next week's races:

Sardegna A - 3 laps - N400
Laguna Seca - 5 laps - Gr.4
Autopolis - 12 laps - Gr.1 - fuel X2, tyres X6, just RH though.

Don't think we've had Autopolis Gr.1 as a daily before?
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Can't recall Gr. 1 at Autopolis. Carnage!!!! Also, my condolences to the people starting up front at Laguna Seca. L1T1 will be messy.
 
Once again doing the vile Race A only...
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Will I make it to A/A in race A? Anyone know the record for the largest SR loss in a single race? Am I crazy or just a load of warm BS?
 
AfraidRacer
I had an extremely crappy day yesterday, was pushing too hard at Bathurst and ended up spinning in both because I just couldn't keep up. Then tried to go to DTS for some fun racing and was dead last on pace because it was my first time doing that race, and I was a bit careless in a few corners so got a few SR Downs and penalties. I stopped focusing after that and got disqualified for doing donuts while getting lapped.
Question for everyone here: How do you not get demotivated while racing for minor positions? How do you know the limit of how much to push? I think I will hover around 20K DR for now, don't see myself getting too much faster in the near future unless it's a Monday.
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The biggest step forward I took was when I started taking notice of my race times more than my finishing position. It means that even when I’m off the pace in the race I am trying to compete with my previous efforts. For example, I am currently doing DTS in about 18:13. That doesn’t get me close to wins in the top split, but I can judge my race based on how close I get to it.
 
astrarobotica
If you don't know the limit, then you're already over it. By default, you should be driving in a manor that you know you're capable of without crashing or making major mistakes that would otherwise affect your pace.

When you learn a new track/combination, you really should start out by just cruising around the circuit, and slowly build your speed each lap, but ensuring that you're always aware that you're under the limit. If you just try to throw the car around the track at full speed, you're basically relying on guesswork, and you can't improve that way. Consistency is the most important thing, and you can't be consistent if you don't know exactly how your going to drive each lap.

When it comes to racing for minor positions, it's really just a matter of accepting the reality of the game. GT Sport is incredibly competitive. I'm rated A/S, and I'm fairly confident in my ability, but I only win 5% of my races. Unless you're competitive at the very top level, you can't use wins or even podiums as a metric for judging your own ability. And that's no different from real racing, not every team goes into a race weekend thinking they're gonna win.

If I felt like I drove to the best of my ability, and I was consistent with minimal mistakes, and I raced other cars as cleanly as possible, that's enough for me. You can't control who you get matched against, so you can't control the skill level of your opponents. All you can control is how you drive and how your react to the circumstances of the race. Winning is nice, but if you get matched against a lobby full of drivers who are at a substantially lower skill-level, is that really rewarding? Conversely, you can get matched against drivers who are very close to your skill-level and you might not gain any places at all, but the whole point of playing online is for the real-life competition, and if you can have a fair, fun race, that should be more rewarding than a hollow victory.
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At the least I try to convince myself I can get the FL. Hardy works but it’s motivation, plus I can push as hard as I want and try different lines. Already in last place so taking a trip to narnia can be enlightening:cheers:
 
Did one last Race C in the Mustang. Felt so slow. Was doing 50 second laps on the RH. Changed to RMs and dipped to 48s. Still felt like it had sand filled inner tubes in the tyres. Big difference to the Jag.

Moved on to Autopolis practice in the evening. Love this track.

Tried the 2016 LMPs.
Without TCS, the TS050 shines. Not just the battery power, but the car feels smooth. The 919 points straight, no matter where you want to go.
Me: No, I want to turn while I accelerate.
919: Oh you do? Well, I want to aim for the wall. My choice.

The Audi is balanced. I noticed the battery was a little more frugal than the 919, but it still depleted before end of the lap.

With TCS ON, the 919 went 1.3 seconds quicker. Battery power was available for the entire lap and beginning of my second lap. Was using less juice over a lap. Acceleration was night & day. It's cornering is so tight, when lifting off.

Audi felt good. Still used more juice than the other two. Was only. 1 slower than the TS050 with TCS OFF, but .6 slower with TCS ON. I think it's the battery loss.

TS050 felt lethargic with TCS ON. Not as responsive as the 919. All that smoothness felt hampered. Went .2 quicker than the Porsche though. .7 quicker than TCS OFF.

Watched the replays and I hope we get the evening conditions. The cars look great.
 
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Just had my 3rd reset this week... all due to DTS and mostly due to SR downs from either me being pushed from behind on the straights, or I lightly tapped someone as they moved under braking... I think that last race I got 3 on one lap!

it’s like dodgem cars down in low SR land...

I think it’s only worth racing if you’re up at SR99 and can survive a few dumb penalties...

I might go have another week or two off, GTS ****house penalty system strikes again!
 
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kungtotte_
Laguna Seca could be fun as long as it's not another stupid FF-only event.
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I haven't checked KP to see if it's provided cars, but from the way it was posted in the thread, I would think not. However, the FF cars will likely stink up the leaderboards.
 
sturk0167
I'm pretty confident that there are people who have gone from 99 to 1 in a single race (probably at Monza). :lol:
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Yes it must have happened to some (many) at Monza, especially if it was a Race A or B, especially if they quit.

I dropped into the 40s from 99 in a Race C there and the only thing I did wrong was one accidental corner cut, the rest was penalties from being rammed from behind and sideswiped off track, carnage does not do it justice.


:gtplanet::cheers:
 
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astrarobotica
If you don't know the limit, then you're already over it. By default, you should be driving in a manor that you know you're capable of without crashing or making major mistakes that would otherwise affect your pace.

When you learn a new track/combination, you really should start out by just cruising around the circuit, and slowly build your speed each lap, but ensuring that you're always aware that you're under the limit. If you just try to throw the car around the track at full speed, you're basically relying on guesswork, and you can't improve that way. Consistency is the most important thing, and you can't be consistent if you don't know exactly how your going to drive each lap.

When it comes to racing for minor positions, it's really just a matter of accepting the reality of the game. GT Sport is incredibly competitive. I'm rated A/S, and I'm fairly confident in my ability, but I only win 5% of my races. Unless you're competitive at the very top level, you can't use wins or even podiums as a metric for judging your own ability. And that's no different from real racing, not every team goes into a race weekend thinking they're gonna win.

If I felt like I drove to the best of my ability, and I was consistent with minimal mistakes, and I raced other cars as cleanly as possible, that's enough for me. You can't control who you get matched against, so you can't control the skill level of your opponents. All you can control is how you drive and how your react to the circumstances of the race. Winning is nice, but if you get matched against a lobby full of drivers who are at a substantially lower skill-level, is that really rewarding? Conversely, you can get matched against drivers who are very close to your skill-level and you might not gain any places at all, but the whole point of playing online is for the real-life competition, and if you can have a fair, fun race, that should be more rewarding than a hollow victory.
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THIS! 1000%

@AfraidRacer Just race......I have won just 3% of the time. I already know I'm not the best. I just want to race. I try to run clean but I have been known to get revenge a time or two (or more...). I am more about finishing above where I started and if I win, great! But I do not count on it.

It will take much longer to learn if you drive balls to the wall all the time. Take your time and learn the track and the car. Not everyone can drive every car great all the time and not every car is great at every track all the time. You should find the car you are most comfortable with and then try to master the track with it. Some cars are just not for you. Power FR cars seem to work best for me but I drive the Gr3. AMG GT the best. I cannot get a grip on MR cars and FF is just meh when running the TT or Pug.

Just try to have fun.
 
AfraidRacer
Question for everyone here: How do you not get demotivated while racing for minor positions? How do you know the limit of how much to push? I think I will hover around 20K DR for now, don't see myself getting too much faster in the near future unless it's a Monday.
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I've been playing longer than you. And ranked lower. Get off my lawn. ;) :lol:

You're doing it right. There's no easy, feel-good way to play Sports Mode.

I find it comforting to think of,

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Pigems
Ok, I think I’ve got it sorted out now. 👍

So disregard my above post about the video quality options being in game, I was thinking about the streaming options, and mistook it for this video quality option.
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That was my bad, sorry about that. :cheers:


Ok, back to the video uploads. Your videos upload in 720, just like everyone else that uses their PS4 to upload videos to YouTube. I went to you YT page to check, and it lets me up the video quality to 720, just like on my videos. So your videos are uploading in good quality. :)
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I think the problem happens when we embed the video in a post here, when I click play on your video(from your post on GTP), it plays in 360, I think it is? So the numbers are hard to make out. But, if @NevilleNobody (or anyone else watching it) clicks on your Icon(circled in red in the picture), it will take them to your actual YT page and allow them to view the video in higher quality. :)
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This is if he(or anyone else) is watching it on GTP, with a mobile phone browser. I believe if you are on a PC you will have the same video quality options like what you get on YT, without having to go to YT. I’m checking on that now. :)

Edit: Yup, if he’s watching from a PC browser the VQ options are right there in the videos. Click the gear icon, then the VQ setting. He won’t have to leave GTP to see the higher quality video that way. :)
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Sorry for late reply Pigems, been super busy at work the last few days, Thanks for taking the time to investigate and explain all this for me and it makes sense now that you have ;) So I don't need to make a new channel elsewhere after all.. Much appreciated mate! :cheers:
 
AfraidRacer
Question for everyone here: How do you not get demotivated while racing for minor positions? How do you know the limit of how much to push? I think I will hover around 20K DR for now, don't see myself getting too much faster in the near future unless it's a Monday.
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Nobody can teach you to be motivated, but you have to get after it every time you're on track. Ahead by a mile or dead last, you don't let yourself become complacent. Try a slightly different line through T3 and see if it shaves time, brake earlier for T8 to see if it keeps the car more stable and smooth, be more progressive on the throttle in T1 to see if it makes you faster.

I always go as fast as I can. Then I try to work out how to go faster.

I don't do it by pushing though. I vary my line, my inputs, work on consistency and smoothness. But I never really *push*. That implies going over your limit and trying to save the situation.

I also keep racing no matter what. Dead last or ahead by a mile, I don't back off. Until you're past the checkered flag you don't know what will happen. People crash on the final lap all the time. People run out of gas. People collect penalties for not running the right tyres or for cutting the last corner.

If you give up you'll never capitalise on that. You'll also not learn to be faster by doing donuts in the face of adversity...
 
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