"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[KiepeYai]

A lot of the spin recoveries are more about the accelerator/brakes than steering, that one was a dab of the handbrake when it was obviously out of control then releasing everything when it is pointing roughly the right way to carry on. This one you can just about see the steering angle at the bottom, I'm not sure whether it's possible to straighten the steering that quick with a wheel (I guess it depends on the rotation).

If you're not crashing wheel is quicker because of the extra finesse with steering, on a controller you're normally on full lock in the corners which scrubs the fronts, bad for tyre wear and carrying speed through the bend.

Damn you didn’t release the throttle at all, ,and yeah you cant really save tires using a ds4, i heard some use tc1, just so they can eliminate any excessive wheelspin

 

[fisheye]

A lot of the spin recoveries are more about the accelerator/brakes than steering, that one was a dab of the handbrake when it was obviously out of control then releasing everything when it is pointing roughly the right way to carry on. This one you can just about see the steering angle at the bottom, I'm not sure whether it's possible to straighten the steering that quick with a wheel (I guess it depends on the rotation).

If you're not crashing wheel is quicker because of the extra finesse with steering, on a controller you're normally on full lock in the corners which scrubs the fronts, bad for tyre wear and carrying speed through the bend.

"That thumb tap operated e-brake is also a good defense against the cheaters and a quick way to get back on your racing line. Edit: Yes... Timing is everything."
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/daily-race-discussion-archive.386265/page-2320#post-13254400

 

[NevilleNobody]

Man I am at 5 from 6 wins and a 3rd since learning I could no stop.

Just gotta hang with folk first 5 laps then bam, right in the kisser.

 

[05XR8]

Race C is fairly long. Why risk anything on lap 1?
Two Jags P1 & P2. I'm in the M4.
P2 gets a run on P1 and decides to go side by side into the Larini kink. Just back off and let P1 set the pace. I had an RCZ behind me, but due to P2 shoving P1 off, the RCZ gets stopped by the re-entering P1.

I catch up to P1 and stay on its bumper. The player is all over the play, wiggling. Into th COD, it wobbles and I back off. It hits the wall and I move to the far right to pass, but I get stopped because of latency. It had 2 reds to my 3 yellows.

458Flyer behind, catches up. Passes using my tow. hoping he just gets on with it to catch P1 who is 3 seconds ahead. 458 is getting loose in turns. Keeps running wide at the hairpin before the PZ.
Runs wide again and I get caught as it's sideways trying to drive off the gravel and kerb.

10 minutes in and P1 is coming back to us. A new lurker, in NSX, is slowly catching up. 458 is loose out of the COD. Tastes wall and I'm released.

M4 is on laser cruise control with the Jag. Getting closer and the Jag gets called to the pits. No way. Now I'm P1.

Managing the gap to the NSX. .9seconds is pretty stable from Lap 6- 8. Grip is dwindling and I'm prepared to move over as it's just .4 seconds thru Lap9. Hold on.... NSX pits from right behind my bumper! Switching from RM to RH!

I was nearly let down. Almost a waste of a race to come up that much and pit for tyres. Anyway, P2 is 3 seconds behind in a different NSX. Win #2 in the M4. It's a good car.

 

[ILLEAGLE_34]

There's definitely a grip hack.
And yes my dear Pigems, you are a cheater most likely, thank goodness is just a videogame, and thanks to you a hobby gets ruined, keep hacking by the way, you are basically Hamilton, I'm sure.

I’ve race pigems 1v1and there was definitely no cheating. Im now positive the hack you talk about everyone using is real. But I believe it’s spelled skill.
just because you lack it doesn’t mean they hack it. Go pound sand

 

[Raeleon]

The Mileage Exchange was supposed to change on the 26th yet its now the 29th and its still the same page for the past 9 days. I need me those paints!

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Giving you a 1 sec penalty after that save was a bit harsh

Without the pen that could've been a gold medal tutorial for the LH time trial

Damn you didn’t release the throttle at all, ,and yeah you cant really save tires using a ds4, i heard some use tc1, just so they can eliminate any excessive wheelspin

I think that TCS would help with the FWD cars, but you still have pretty good throttle control through the triggers so the rears are usually not too bad. Scrubbing the fronts by turning too much and getting into the understeer does the most damage for me, sometimes it isn't even wear but overheating.

"That thumb tap operated e-brake is also a good defense against the cheaters and a quick way to get back on your racing line. Edit: Yes... Timing is everything."
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/daily-race-discussion-archive.386265/page-2320#post-13254400

It's a risky game, the top leaderboard players use it for speed but try it for too long or with too much steering angle and you will look like a chav hooning a Saxo around the Tesco car park

 

[DanSHW]

Been no-stopping in the 458 at DTS, and it's been fun, tried the Vantage first and couldn't get it to turn into the second part of the COD properly, so switched to the Ferrari, and haven't looked back. Was doing no-quali to start from the back, but then qualified on hards and started 19th anyway.

Have been in some good clean fights, but managed to go from 18th to 12th between the COD and the last corner on lap 2 in one race thanks to a group ahead making a complete mess of the chicane, got past 3 of them with a good exit and then the other three braked early for the final corner, and I barely avoided hitting one as I had to dive to the inside, made it through and then pulled away as they fought amongst themselves. Made it up to 9th, and nearly had 8th when he clipped the wall on the exit of the COD, but I clipped his rear corner which span me down to 12th, finished there but gained a place thanks to someone forgetting the tyre rule.

The 458 clearly loses a bit on the straights to the Vipers and TTs, but it takes the corners so well it seems to balance out.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Race C is fairly long. Why risk anything on lap 1?
Two Jags P1 & P2. I'm in the M4.
P2 gets a run on P1 and decides to go side by side into the Larini kink. Just back off and let P1 set the pace. I had an RCZ behind me, but due to P2 shoving P1 off, the RCZ gets stopped by the re-entering P1.

I catch up to P1 and stay on its bumper. The player is all over the play, wiggling. Into th COD, it wobbles and I back off. It hits the wall and I move to the far right to pass, but I get stopped because of latency. It had 2 reds to my 3 yellows.

458Flyer behind, catches up. Passes using my tow. hoping he just gets on with it to catch P1 who is 3 seconds ahead. 458 is getting loose in turns. Keeps running wide at the hairpin before the PZ.
Runs wide again and I get caught as it's sideways trying to drive off the gravel and kerb.

10 minutes in and P1 is coming back to us. A new lurker, in NSX, is slowly catching up. 458 is loose out of the COD. Tastes wall and I'm released.

M4 is on laser cruise control with the Jag. Getting closer and the Jag gets called to the pits. No way. Now I'm P1.

Managing the gap to the NSX. .9seconds is pretty stable from Lap 6- 8. Grip is dwindling and I'm prepared to move over as it's just .4 seconds thru Lap9. Hold on.... NSX pits from right behind my bumper! Switching from RM to RH!

I was nearly let down. Almost a waste of a race to come up that much and pit for tyres. Anyway, P2 is 3 seconds behind in a different NSX. Win #2 in the M4. It's a good car.

This is me every race, decent racing then everyone pits and I'm like John Travolta in pulp fiction looking for someone.

I am a fan of the M4 but cannot get within a second of my time with the jag.

 

[The_Tullster]

I can take the chicane flat for the first few laps but then the push comes from the tire deg & I have to lift a little bit. Also, the lift might come from the fact that the chicane of death can kill an entire race with just a slight mistake.

I can take the CoD flat, but I find that my lap times are quicker with a lift before turn in because I get much better drive through the exit with the car balanced. It's also MUCH safer, even at half a second loss of time it's quicker than 6 - 15 seconds lost due to hitting a wall once every ten laps.

I feel like there may be an advantage for controller users when it comes to recovering from potential crashes.
From the limited time I used a wheel, I think there would have been no way I stayed on the track here.
The driver ahead forced me to brake sooner than I was used to.


Can anyone with a lot of wheel and controller experience confirm or deny this?
After races, I always get people saying, wow great save, and I'm thinking; What? That was no big deal.
I guess I can turn my wheels from lock to lock very quickly, but are controller drivers really advantaged in those situations?

Depends on the situation. At my skill level gentle slides are much easier to control or recover on a wheel because the tendancy to over correct is much reduced. Once you're sliding sideways in the grass though, it's all in the controller's favour.

 

[NevilleNobody]

I can take the CoD flat, but I find that my lap times are quicker with a lift before turn in because I get much better drive through the exit with the car balanced. It's also MUCH safer, even at half a second loss of time it's quicker than 6 - 15 seconds lost due to hitting a wall once every ten laps.

This for sure.

 

[Groundfish]

Good morning friends,

I have not had time for more than a lap or two even though these selections are excellent.

“When life gives you lemons, make lemonade”

-unknown to me source, genius

Good luck out there. Race hard but fair.

Cheers

 

[kirethk]

Haven't posted a qualifying guide for a while, but with a couple of helpful tips was able to shave off quite a bit of time from Daily Race C qualifying in the TT - essentially taking a lot more corners in 3rd rather than 2nd and taking the esses in 5th!

 

[KosmoKazi]

This is from DRWF a year ago. Onboard, GOTMAXPOWER POV. First time I raced Max I think. I was behind, so I saw it, I was stunned.

I don't think a wheel could do this.

One thing I don't like about the game is that it usually seems 'pre-programmed' that any spin like this results in the car sliding until it's backwards. I am certain I could save a car and recover it in the right direction much more effectively in real life than what is possible using 'normal' controls in the game. That's what makes this clip compelling, because we all know that if you tank slap, you're ending the situation facing the wrong way 99.9% of the time... and I think there's some really bogus physics (if any physics) determining that outcome.

Same for driving down a straight away, let go of the wheel and it will eventually speed wobble and crash, let go with a pad and it would just keep holding the wheel straight for you.

Wheels have WAY more throttle/brake control though. Also better fine steering control I would think.

I also think there is a dampening effect applied to the steering when using the DS4... which has certain advantages. Any of these games, if you dither the inputs, the modeling clips off the dynamics and keeps it more settled... and on a DS4 I get the feeling that there is a constant dampening via dithering at a faster frequency than any person on a wheel could manage. So I think it provides a certain advantage there. I'm not saying it's overall a net advantage on DS4 vs wheel, but I'm saying in that regard it's a characteristic of the DS4 that helps in certain situations. You simply make speed with different skills depending on what controller type you use. But when things get sideways, there are different responses in either case.

 

[KiepeYai]

One thing I don't like about the game is that it usually seems 'pre-programmed' that any spin like this results in the car sliding until it's backwards. I am certain I could save a car and recover it in the right direction much more effectively in real life than what is possible using 'normal' controls in the game. That's what makes this clip compelling, because we all know that if you tank slap, you're ending the situation facing the wrong way 99.9% of the time... and I think there's some really bogus physics (if any physics) determining that outcome.



I also think there is a dampening effect applied to the steering when using the DS4... which has certain advantages. Any of these games, if you dither the inputs, the modeling clips off the dynamics and keeps it more settled... and on a DS4 I get the feeling that there is a constant dampening via dithering at a faster frequency than any person on a wheel could manage. So I think it provides a certain advantage there. I'm not saying it's overall a net advantage on DS4 vs wheel, but I'm saying in that regard it's a characteristic of the DS4 that helps in certain situations. You simply make speed with different skills depending on what controller type you use. But when things get sideways, there are different responses in either case.

well in my experience i find it rather difficult to control MR cars on DS4 because most of the times you’re putting way too much input thn whats really needed, i always try both (ds4 and a wheel) so thats my 2 cent opinion.

 

[NevilleNobody]

On open wheel cars I drop controller sensitivity to 0, Group 2 to 5 and MR to 5. My default is 7.

 

[sdi_03]

Ok, at the end of games lifespan, Il reveal the grip hack. At the start of TT or race, you need to tap x button really fast. It will give some more power and grippyer tyres.
got my bratwurst time to 2:02.8 with this hack.

 

[fisheye]

Race A cheaters...

"The real grip hack... ↑↑↓↓←→←→BA"

 

[Tea_Leaves]

well in my experience i find it rather difficult to control MR cars on DS4 because most of the times you’re putting way too much input thn whats really needed, i always try both (ds4 and a wheel) so thats my 2 cent opinion.

Yep, I used to hate driving the Volkswagen VGT and Huracan on a DS4, I'd oversteer and spin. Switched to a wheel and they're two of my go-to Gr.3s.

 

[barak181]

It probably makes sense to them. Perhaps winning isn't as important as racing is to them so they will rather have a race where you have to move up and overtake than a lonely run up front.
As long as they are clean I see no problems.

Having done a decent amount of racing from the back in my new alt-alt-account, I can say some of it just may to avoid carnage. Especially in my early races in DR.D, it was easier and safer to let people take each other out and weave my way towards the front. Even starting from the front two positions, I often would get a divebomber t-boning me in T1 or T2, I never got the chance to create distance between myself and the pack. It just became preferable to non-qualify and start from the back.

 

[05XR8]

Been no-stopping in the 458 at DTS, and it's been fun, tried the Vantage first and couldn't get it to turn into the second part of the COD properly, so switched to the Ferrari, and haven't looked back. Was doing no-quali to start from the back, but then qualified on hards and started 19th anyway.

Have been in some good clean fights, but managed to go from 18th to 12th between the COD and the last corner on lap 2 in one race thanks to a group ahead making a complete mess of the chicane, got past 3 of them with a good exit and then the other three braked early for the final corner, and I barely avoided hitting one as I had to dive to the inside, made it through and then pulled away as they fought amongst themselves. Made it up to 9th, and nearly had 8th when he clipped the wall on the exit of the COD, but I clipped his rear corner which span me down to 12th, finished there but gained a place thanks to someone forgetting the tyre rule.

The 458 clearly loses a bit on the straights to the Vipers and TTs, but it takes the corners so well it seems to balance out.

Alt account time:
I tried the Vantage. Smashed the COD three times on my own, in the last two laps. Went from 6th to 11th.
I was behind a Jag(5th), keeping pace so the leaders didn't skip away. Stayed out of the draft. No threat from behind.

I was getting a bit closer each lap. The Jag wasn't blocking at all, but understood it would hold either the inside or outside so we can brake evenly and not lose pace. Clever cookie.

Jag lets me go ahead and have a go at catching the Huracan battling the other AWD cars ahead. By lap 7, I'm getting loose. Front tyres are losing bite. I'm slipping and decide to pick a spot for the Jag to go by.
As I let the Jag go by, didn't realise a TT was two cars behind. It obviously pit for RM. Blows by and knocks the car behind me out of the way. Knocks me out of the way and pushes the Jag wide, after the Larini kink.
Tyr s are worse now. Same lap. Smash the COD on exit. Two cars go by.
Next lap. Smash the COD at a slower speed. Keep position.
Last lap, smash the exit of the COD. Just no front grip. Lose two places to tandem NSXs. Finished 11th because one of the leaders didn't use RH.

Which leads me to cheating below.

This is me every race, decent racing then everyone pits and I'm like John Travolta in pulp fiction looking for someone.

I am a fan of the M4 but cannot get within a second of my time with the jag.

The M4 is awesome. Was awesome. I can't catch the British Bulldogs if they've got a tow from cars ahead. That's what was happening and I tried the Vantage. Dropped my time by .3 seconds. To 1:45.531.

Now, I've cheated. Jumped in the Jaaaaag. Initial lap. I mean, from the time auto-drive diengages at the final corner and I begin my lap. One lap and cross the line with a 1:44.951. Beginning of my next lap, I was blue and already nearly .1 quicker. Aborted the lap. That was silly to be much quicker and it felt like I was slower than the Vantage.

Guess I'll see how tyre wear is this afternoon.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Its fine. I qualied with a 45.5 and my last 3 laps on hards are high 48s to low 49s which is pretty much as fast as anyone is circulating unless someone does a super late stop.

 

[05XR8]

The Viper player I raced, was Consistently lapping 47s for the last 4 laps. I was in the 48s. Stole FL from me(M4) by a couple hundredths. We lapped in the 46.6 range?(have to check the video).

 

[astrarobotica]

I finally got my first win at Seaside today! I wouldn't say I worked hard for it, but I've have been disregarding the meta all week and I'm basically the only one driving the Huracán in every race, so a win's a win.

I made one huge mistake by trying to go on the outside side-by-side through the kink at the end of Sector 1, and I went straight into the gravel and lost three places. Everyone is extremely aggressive with this combination though, so I made up to P2 and was actively gaining on the leader by Lap 8. On Lap 9 they made some ridiculous mistake before the bus stop chicane, and I forced my way past. They were still hanging on for most of the final lap, but not with enough pace to get alongside me. I took every turn well on the kerb to avoid any potential late dives, and that's exactly what happened at the hairpin at the bottom of the hill. They were two car lengths behind, so being in the lead on the final lap I felt well within my right to stick to the kerb and close the door. They slammed into the back of my car and forced me across the track and onto the opposite kerb, which was fortunately enough to trigger a well-deserved one-second penalty. As long as I didn't make any mistakes I could keep the gap under one second, but they ended up slamming into the wall on the chicane anyway.

Then I got to play my favorite meta game in the post-race lobby, where—knowing someone is typing a long angry message blaming me for ruining their race—I like to wait in the lobby as long as possible and then exit right before they send the message, just so they know I never saw it. I love denying people pointless confrontation.

 

[D_Dragline]

Have finally hit a groove on DTS with the Jag. 3 consecutive top 5 finishes. One secret has been to use whatever strategy allows me to avoid the midfield stupidity. Honestly, some of the divebombing, pushing and blocking is just plain ridiculous. I also want to lobby PD to erect a huge illuminated sign on the track just before the COD that says:

SINGLE FILE ONLY. DO NOT BRAKE.

 

[NevilleNobody]

Blah, got a ridiculous penalty for the faintest of touches that put me bavk with the mob. Dive bomber then runs me off and I get another 4 seconds, like 6 seconds ofnpenalties is just ridiculous when you do nothing wrong. Got deflated and finish second last.

 

[AfraidRacer]

I had an extremely crappy day yesterday, was pushing too hard at Bathurst and ended up spinning in both because I just couldn't keep up. Then tried to go to DTS for some fun racing and was dead last on pace because it was my first time doing that race, and I was a bit careless in a few corners so got a few SR Downs and penalties. I stopped focusing after that and got disqualified for doing donuts while getting lapped.
Question for everyone here: How do you not get demotivated while racing for minor positions? How do you know the limit of how much to push? I think I will hover around 20K DR for now, don't see myself getting too much faster in the near future unless it's a Monday.

 

[astrarobotica]

I had an extremely crappy day yesterday, was pushing too hard at Bathurst and ended up spinning in both because I just couldn't keep up. Then tried to go to DTS for some fun racing and was dead last on pace because it was my first time doing that race, and I was a bit careless in a few corners so got a few SR Downs and penalties. I stopped focusing after that and got disqualified for doing donuts while getting lapped.
Question for everyone here: How do you not get demotivated while racing for minor positions? How do you know the limit of how much to push? I think I will hover around 20K DR for now, don't see myself getting too much faster in the near future unless it's a Monday.

If you don't know the limit, then you're already over it. By default, you should be driving in a manor that you know you're capable of without crashing or making major mistakes that would otherwise affect your pace.

When you learn a new track/combination, you really should start out by just cruising around the circuit, and slowly build your speed each lap, but ensuring that you're always aware that you're under the limit. If you just try to throw the car around the track at full speed, you're basically relying on guesswork, and you can't improve that way. Consistency is the most important thing, and you can't be consistent if you don't know exactly how your going to drive each lap.

When it comes to racing for minor positions, it's really just a matter of accepting the reality of the game. GT Sport is incredibly competitive. I'm rated A/S, and I'm fairly confident in my ability, but I only win 5% of my races. Unless you're competitive at the very top level, you can't use wins or even podiums as a metric for judging your own ability. And that's no different from real racing, not every team goes into a race weekend thinking they're gonna win.

If I felt like I drove to the best of my ability, and I was consistent with minimal mistakes, and I raced other cars as cleanly as possible, that's enough for me. You can't control who you get matched against, so you can't control the skill level of your opponents. All you can control is how you drive and how your react to the circumstances of the race. Winning is nice, but if you get matched against a lobby full of drivers who are at a substantially lower skill-level, is that really rewarding? Conversely, you can get matched against drivers who are very close to your skill-level and you might not gain any places at all, but the whole point of playing online is for the real-life competition, and if you can have a fair, fun race, that should be more rewarding than a hollow victory.

 

[BEBOP_Bill]

Any combo at Goodwood motor circuit has been great. Really fun close racing here this week

 

[NosOsH]

Penalties are brutal this week, tried sooo hard to gain sr today but ended up losing even more... Any little bumps seem⅞ to nullify any gains for me, Im stuck in an sr whirlpool. 5 races of being so careful not even really pushing to win or make risky passes, but inevitably a bump here or a tap.there, get dived on or dont anticipate how much someone is going to over brake and juuuuust tap them, lift, no matter damage done, sr gains nullified or outright lost, waste of 30 minutes.
Every couple weeks it seems like this happens now, just cant bring myself to drive at the back for 2 or 3 races to farm sr, simply dont have the time in the day to waste on this game anymore...