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Apart from in things like the mini in FIA I always use TCS2, don't seem to slip less when higher and 1 can be a pain. Sometimes I use 0 when quali in some cars, but in race the fractions I save by going 0 don't make up for the seconds I lose for one slip up. Now maybe if I had a wheel, or more importantly pedals, I would try and get the hang of 0, but my finger won't work like my foot does. Basically my foots got 30 odd years experience of controlling a throttle and although I know in theory how to do it I really have to concentrate to do it well and I can't keep that up, and do all the other things needed, for more than a minute or two.
 
NevilleNobody
Yep Meekrab you did eat me alive there and Pigems, you are on the gas considerably earlier but it's a Group 4 car and AWD so if I try that in Group 3 she will push wide. Need to find a way to hit the gas earlier though, getting just cleaned up through there.
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One trick I have learned to use (typically with 0 TCS) is to modulate the throttle. When you feel the car push, lift, but then feed in the throttle when the car regains grip. I have used it multiple times in some of the worst corners in the game. Once you get the feel for how your choice car acts, you will be able to better calculate the amount of push in each corner & know when not to lift & just maintain throttle & carry speed to the edge of the track (see Pigems Mercedes video on the last corner).

NevilleNobody
Interesting, no TC so you're shifting from 2nd to 3rd early to cut wheel spin. YOu also carry very good mid corner speed.
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I also had to learn this trick. The Mustang is notorious for wheelspining in 2nd gear with no TCS.
 
Those RCZs can kick rocks. "META" my bee-hind...

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My controller disconnected at the start of the final lap.:rolleyes: I was right behind the leader and catching. Could have been a win.
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Amazing the gap that can pulled, when players don't fight and block. Got FL every lap behind the leader. 👍;)
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Question, at what point does the average driver with a controller hit there limit and only a wheel can keep you competitive? I'm at the top end of BS rating and now get shuffled in with mostly AS/SS rated drivers and getting blown out of the water. I post great qualifying times (race C 1:30.3) but when it comes to the actual race I'm right at the edge and takes nothing to get completely thrown out to the back. And if so, what percentage of AS drivers are running wheels? Was there a poll somewhere here?

Have to say, last 3 races everyones been top notch courtesy. If anything I've been the aggressor. trying to hold the line. Even had 1 guy hold back on passing, I slid wide and he tapped me forward to almost take a spot.

This pretty much answers my question. Just forgot what the outcome was for supergt's comparison.

 
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We races tonight and our pace is very similar, I qualified a 10th slower and also find myself drifting back, especially on the softs.

Keep in mind I use x and square and the d pad toaster so super old school and it's pretty clear the issue is understeer. I have used a wheel and there is considerably more turn in, car is also therefore easier to lose.
 
NevilleNobody
Anyone else dislike the Hyundai cos it sounds like a bunch if drowning cats? What an absolutely dreadful noise.

Race c, I am being murdered out of the last corner. I take it wide, I take it slow, I take it fast and I take it narrow but relentlessly get killed by guys I am racing in SRS and DRA/B. I lose at least half a second there, even if I am up someone's bumper they pull away. I am using TC2 but I know some of you guys use it too so that cannot be the entire reason.
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TC2 user here, your line matters more than TC, at least in the 911. I get killed on the straights too but once I started taking the right line I can keep up.
 
NevilleNobody
We races tonight and our pace is very similar, I qualified a 10th slower and also find myself drifting back, especially on the softs.

Keep in mind I use x and square and the d pad toaster so super old school and it's pretty clear the issue is understeer. I have used a wheel and there is considerably more turn in, car is also therefore easier to lose.
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To add to this, I feel we really struggle in race C because we hurt the tyres. AGain, I have used a wheel and you can sense the lack of strain you are putting on the fronts vs the controller. At Interlagos, I start on Mediums and I am properly fast, gain places even sometimes pass guys on softs, but by lap 3 forget it, i start to drift backwards. I was in a SRS / DRA+B race last night and there was a huge pile up so went from P6 to P2, all those around me on softs, I am on Mediums but just slowly, slowly drifted back, finishing 6th.
 
NevilleNobody
We races tonight and our pace is very similar, I qualified a 10th slower and also find myself drifting back, especially on the softs.

Keep in mind I use x and square and the d pad toaster so super old school and it's pretty clear the issue is understeer. I have used a wheel and there is considerably more turn in, car is also therefore easier to lose.
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If you don't want to spend the time learning motion control, I've dabbled and it looks good but I want to play now, using the stick and L1/R1 for throttle and brakes isn't a huge difference after a while, but you have much more control. Yes I started playing when there was no stick and used X and square. I also use right stick for gears.
 
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Question, at what point does the average driver with a controller hit there limit and only a wheel can keep you competitive? I'm at the top end of BS rating and now get shuffled in with mostly AS/SS rated drivers and getting blown out of the water. I post great qualifying times (race C 1:30.3) but when it comes to the actual race I'm right at the edge and takes nothing to get completely thrown out to the back. And if so, what percentage of AS drivers are running wheels? Was there a poll somewhere here?
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You're talking about 2 different things. Qualifying speed, and racing.
I've been using a controller forever. Every once in a while, I can still discover little things to decrease my lap time.
Qualifying speed is usually not as important as race craft. Figuring out how to use tricks and strategies to best your opponents in the races, is where improvement would be most valuable.
 
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I use a controller with an attachment for control sticks:
https://www.kontrolfreek.com/products/fps-freek-inferno

It might be a placebo, but I feel like I'm faster with the attachments.
Helps me turn in-out more precisely compared to the shorter oem controller stick.
I use L1/R1 for gears, and L2/R2 for gas/brake. This grip isn't really comfortable for my hand, so I try to limit my gaming sessions.

Not fast as the wheel guys, DR is high B. I've seen replays of guys that are fast, and they can do trail braking much better than me. I find L2 lacking for precise brake control, where as with R2 for throttle, I can toggle it and get good enough grip coming out of corners.
 
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You're talking about 2 different things. Qualifying speed, and racing.
I've been using a controller forever. Every once in a while, I can still discover little things to decrease my lap time.
Qualifying speed is usually not as important as race craft. Figuring out how to use tricks and strategies to best your opponents in the races, is where improvement would be most valuable.
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100pc race craft is vital, i punch well above my weight because f it. But SRS, truth be told, pace really matters, especially in the longer Race C where there is more time to recover from penalties.
 
Speaking of all this controller vs wheel, I am 100 percent confident if I went controller I could be just as fast in the gr3 and up but only using motion control and bottom progressive triggers so I could trail in etc.
As an aside, view makes a bigger difference imo. Yesterday I used roof cam because the mini VGT has no cockpit cam.
I had a very hard time, there’s just no way to tell well the cars attitude. It’s hard to tell the amount of rotation.
Plus there’s a tremendous advantage in cockpit with the visual feedback of the hands on the wheel. For me using that view so long I feel in roof cam greatly lacking visual info.
Re back to topic I personally feel best on wheel, due to the input resolution. A pedals physical travel (distance from 0-100) is greater than triggers, but my testing on triggers indicated they work well too.
There’s no denying input resolution is better on wheel tho.

Double edit. I really liked using AT, motion control, and the progressive triggers.
 
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sturk0167
You're talking about 2 different things. Qualifying speed, and racing.
I've been using a controller forever. Every once in a while, I can still discover little things to decrease my lap time.
Qualifying speed is usually not as important as race craft. Figuring out how to use tricks and strategies to best your opponents in the races, is where improvement would be most valuable.
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also to piggy back that thought the car you quali in might not be the best for the race especially when tire wear is in play (and fuel somtimes). The car you quali in may be hard on tires where as a slower quali car may not wear thru tire as fast making you faster later on in the race
 
sturk0167
You're talking about 2 different things. Qualifying speed, and racing.
I've been using a controller forever. Every once in a while, I can still discover little things to decrease my lap time.
Qualifying speed is usually not as important as race craft. Figuring out how to use tricks and strategies to best your opponents in the races, is where improvement would be most valuable.
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I know all of the racecraft, it use to be a factor but now its just a matter of not having pace on a tread wear race. I think I'll do a test, 13 laps qualifying and see what my consistency is like, then 13 laps with tire wear, same race c specs, to see what kind of deviation my times are. I'd run more race C races but I don't want to destroy my rating.

Checking out fanatec csl elite prices. $850cad, not quite as crazy as I figured, although the lowest end fanatec.
 
NevilleNobody
Word of caution, I am an experienced real world driver with a bit of track time and i bought cheap pedals/wheel and couldn't do it. No feel, absolutely no feel, like choking a chicken left handed.
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That's my worry also, not getting the same times as controller. Some wheels have alot of adjustments like the fanatec. Thrustmaster and logitech are more plug and play.
 
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I INSTANTLY felt like there was more turn in, even without trail braking but had ZERO confidence under brakes, no feel and not a proper rig so it moved a bit. I'd do it again but drop $2K on a proper rig. I am eyeing off a 911 though so need to keep toy money for that.
 
To me a standard potentiometer brake is so hard to use.
My t300 wheel ffb wise was plenty good but the standard cheap pedals I had were a useless toy. They broke. Fine for getting started and learning that you need to spend a bit I guess.
I would use the CSL plus load cell all day.
I agree though with Neville. I found braking difficult to impossible as a driver of 30 plus years using the toy pedals.
I replaced the springs etc but they were still crap. Plastic junk.
The csl elite LC are great, although throttle still uses a potentiometer and will wear eventually.
I’d like to try clubsport pedals. No potentiometers at all.
Plus there’s zero flex in the Fanatec pedals.
 
DeadEyeDelboy
Another Sportsmanship Incident?! - This time it’s not as clear cut.... Thanks again to everyone who takes the time to watch, like and even subscribe to the channel!
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Surprised you didn't get a penalty.

Groundfish
To me a standard potentiometer brake is so hard to use.
My t300 wheel ffb wise was plenty good but the standard cheap pedals I had were a useless toy. They broke. Fine for getting started and learning that you need to spend a bit I guess.
I would use the CSL plus load cell all day.
I agree though with Neville. I found braking difficult to impossible as a driver of 30 plus years using the toy pedals.
I replaced the springs etc but they were still crap. Plastic junk.
The csl elite LC are great, although throttle still uses a potentiometer and will wear eventually.
I’d like to try clubsport pedals. No potentiometers at all.
Plus there’s zero flex in the Fanatec pedals.
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Good info here. Tidgney mentioned the tgt spring problems too. I wonder what kind of volume of driving it takes to fail though.
 
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After owning T300 and then CSL elite. If I were just starting I would wait till I had money for Fanatec.
The overall setup is important too. Not having a rig just having things so the wheel is close to a good screen and the pedals don’t move AT ALL.
Imo any chairs fine.
 
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NevilleNobody
Really? never felt the other car was properly alongside then seemed to back off then go again.
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Seems like you're really precise on analyzing, seems to me the position of both is a very fine line compared to other dive examples. The rule I've followed is anyone that gets the inside corner first won't get the penalty but I imagine it depends how deep in the contact happens. I'm only BS rating so I imagine you'd know better.
 
DeadEyeDelboy
Another Sportsmanship Incident?!
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Really hard to say, but it looked like she backed off then realised you were letting her past so went for it. I'd probably have given the place back, but then again I might have been pissed off that you waved me through then cut me up.
Honestly it's just one of those things and you shouldn't dwell on it.

Had enough of playing bumper cars, I'm going to go for a reset with the next guy.
 
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Not sure what's going on in race C this evening but elbows and in some cases baseball bats are out in force. Added to that I seem to be in lobby's with folks who are on 1 or 2 bar internet connections which makes actually racing someone more a matter of luck than anything else.

Think I might give this up as a bad job and go watch some Netflix instead.
 
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Well I got pole, clean race (no CRB, just only one rub in entire race) and just got beat by a B. So......I'm going for a reset with the next guy!!!!


That didn't work and now my SR is so low I could drive well enough to go up to DR B, but end up being reset. So I'm going to have fun one way or the other.
 
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