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Well, that's how late it was for me, posted in the wrong thread. :lol:

05XR8
Won't be doing that again.

After a light chat about legacy brands in the GT7 Forum, decided to use just the original brands from Gran Turismo 1.
Started with GR.4 as in my previous post(86, WRX, Evo, Atenza, etc.). Nine cars total.

From the evening to midnight, tackled the GR.3 cars in Race C. Supra to Vantage. Another nine cars total. Man, every car has pros and cons.
Supra was surprisingly stable. Evo seemed better than the STI. C7 was solid. Vantage was fast. GT-R is too wild. Viper and NSX felt slow.

Also, must be an RCZ thing. Both GR.3 & GR.4 RCZ users, for some reason, think they an entitled to the whole circuit. It's like they hoard track space.

Other than that, when I ran versus all A+A/S, some fast ones at the back must be experimenting trying people's patience. Nearly starting trouble, so they have a clear path in gaining places.

Time to give the controller fingers a long rest.
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How does the system work? Are the longer races where you have to pit for the more skilled racers? Are the tracks usually more difficult?

I really want to do a longer race where you have to pit and have to manage your tires but I tried to practice and get a qualifying time on Interlagos and it was brutal for me.

Since that track is not in PC2 I'm not very familiar with it. Somehow though, I feel like no amount of practice can allow me to enter that race.

Much respect for any of you who not only enter it but do well
 
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It is tricky, I am also a PCARS2 convert. Thing is, it's a pretty easy track, just watch the top 10 ghosts to look at the lines or turn the line on. More than most tracks, brake early, especially in sector 2, brake early and half cut the corners, going high and wide is no faster and is risky. If you can run at 1.32 flat on softs you should be fine to race online.
 
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First thing to do is hit practice then watch one of the fast guys laps, all info so you can see what he does, gearing throttle, blah blah. Then load his ghost and follow him round till your getting reasonable times. I'd say 1:35 is OK, 33 will compete at DR D and 31 will see you through DR C.
I'm at 31 and was doin OK at C am now about mid pack in Bs.
 
NevilleNobody
It is tricky, I am also a PCARS2 convert. Thing is, it's a pretty easy track, just watch the top 10 ghosts to look at the lines or turn the line on. More than most tracks, brake early, especially in sector 2, brake early and half cut the corners, going high and wide is no faster and is risky. If you can run at 1.32 flat on softs you should be fine to race online.
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Thank you for the reply.

You must be really good if you call that track easy.

Fir anybody whose already done this race, how many sets of tires, how many pit stops are necessary?

Norrin Radd
First thing to do is hit practice then watch one of the fast guys laps, all info so you can see what he does, gearing throttle, blah blah. Then load his ghost and follow him round till your getting reasonable times. I'd say 1:35 is OK, 33 will compete at DR D and 31 will see you through DR C.
I'm at 31 and was doin OK at C am now about mid pack in Bs.
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Thank you for this information. I didn't even know this was possible. I'm guessing I find this information from the qualifying screen?
 
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Groundfish
I know how everyone feels re tcs but if you search tpc in game I’ve got a Lewis Hamilton diamond lap up there tcs 3. Interlagos.
Replays (seabass). Forget the time. Might have a look, if you want.
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@Groundfish , we last talked about TCS several weeks ago. I have been working with it.

At Alsace (Group 1 Sauber Mercedes) I ran with TCS=2 for both qualifying and all of the races. My QT was 2.6% off the region time - decent. All but one of my race results were top 5 and most importantly I had no spin-outs. In the past I have managed Gr1 cars at TCS=0 around Fuji so I am *able* to do it but TCS=2 was just better. It much more stable and I was able to gain positions late in the race as my tires were lasting better. Once I noticed the tell-tale *wiggle* I moved in for the pass on the straight with no hesitation. Furthermore, I use radar (no mirror) and occasionally I could close trailing cars doing the *blue-triangle-wiggle-out* 👍.

On Group 4 I am sticking with TCS=0. I used TCS=1 on the Nurb in an effort to save the tires but could not see any advantage. For the most part I think TCS has little or no impact Gr4 with the possible exception of second gear where I feel it is spinning in the 100 kph range.

This week at Interlagos Gr. 3 (Hyundai Genesis) I have been using TCS=1 all week whereas I normally use TCS=0 in that car. I have set a QT of 1:30.6 (2.4 seconds off region best) - for me that is good in Gr3. Now I need to improve my races times as they are relatively poor. Some knock TCS=1 because it offers almost nothing. That is only partially true and it also provides the little red blinker and that help educate with respect to throttle control.

I can't see myself going all in to TCS=3.

Once again thanks for the help.

All,

My conclusion is that TCS in general is a legitimate and useful aid. I expect 80% - 90% of drivers could benefit from it in some form.
 
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slthree
Fir anybody whose already done this race, how many sets of tires, how many pit stops are necessary?
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Standard seems to be 1 stop. Starting on RM, pit for RS, no gas. Approx.1/2 way, lap 6/7/8.
 
O604
Standard seems to be 1 stop. Starting on RM, pit for RS, no gas. Approx.1/2 way, lap 6/7/8.
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Thank you.

I will watch the lines of some of the faster racers and I will practice a bit
 
slthree
Thank you.

I will watch the lines of some of the faster racers and I will practice a bit
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Just go to driving options turn on cones driving markers and driving line.
The line is excellent in Interlagos. That’s the exact line I try to drive and I ran an account to A plus there easily.
Brake full at the two cones, throttle at and past apex.
I HIGHLY reccomend the line the game gives and using it on Interlagos...
I challenge any non expert to run there line on vs off and see how important it is there.

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Thanks for the update! Cool.
On my fast laps the TCS activates, but a sliver of red. The way I do it on my best laps I’m applying throttle say five percent over max as I ramp up on exit and tcs just keeps my traction.
If you get outside the optimal range say 15 percent over you get a cut that upsets the car.
My diamonds on LH show red bar on exit, just a bit.
For me on tcs off I’m more like 5 percent under or 5 percent late, whereas on 2-3 I’m over or earlier.
Below 2 tcs is worse on hairpins and tight slow technical sections than 2 or above...
If you have it on but it stays white bar, no sliver, you’re losing time.
 
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slthree
How does the system work? Are the longer races where you have to pit for the more skilled racers? Are the tracks usually more difficult?

I really want to do a longer race where you have to pit and have to manage your tires but I tried to practice and get a qualifying time on Interlagos and it was brutal for me.

Since that track is not in PC2 I'm not very familiar with it. Somehow though, I feel like no amount of practice can allow me to enter that race.

Much respect for any of you who not only enter it but do well
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Sounds like you are getting started.
For the Daily races, normally race A is the easiest and normally the car is provided. B is a little longer and normally you need to use a car from your garage. C is normally 19 or 20 minutes of pure racing and *sometimes* you need to pit or have the option to pit or may need fuel. Don't worry about any of it. The rules are a bit cryptic and unclear each week but you will get the hang of it.

Mostly, just go race. Who cares if you are the back. Tell people you are a beginner. If you get lapped you will be ghosted which means you will not crash into the frontrunners. There is always tire wear in the C race. Look at the the tire widget in the lower right. Too much red means it is time to pit.
 
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slthree
How does the system work? Are the longer races where you have to pit for the more skilled racers? Are the tracks usually more difficult?

I really want to do a longer race where you have to pit and have to manage your tires but I tried to practice and get a qualifying time on Interlagos and it was brutal for me.

Since that track is not in PC2 I'm not very familiar with it. Somehow though, I feel like no amount of practice can allow me to enter that race.

Much respect for any of you who not only enter it but do well
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If another car is close in front of you, don't bother with the brakes. If you enter a turn with another car on your outside, remember that 8 tires turn better than 4. And whatever you do, never let a faster car go by you on a straight.

*Do the exact opposite of all of that. :lol:
 
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NevilleNobody
Word of caution, I am an experienced real world driver with a bit of track time and i bought cheap pedals/wheel and couldn't do it. No feel, absolutely no feel, like choking a chicken left handed.
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Hahahaha epic analogy.
slthree
How does the system work? Are the longer races where you have to pit for the more skilled racers? Are the tracks usually more difficult?

I really want to do a longer race where you have to pit and have to manage your tires but I tried to practice and get a qualifying time on Interlagos and it was brutal for me.

Since that track is not in PC2 I'm not very familiar with it. Somehow though, I feel like no amount of practice can allow me to enter that race.

Much respect for any of you who not only enter it but do well
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Nah man, just jump into it. Interlagos is not a very hard track, if you stay on the track and not hit anyone you will gain a ton of positions regardless

slthree
Thank you for the reply.

You must be really good if you call that track easy.

Fir anybody whose already done this race, how many sets of tires, how many pit stops are necessary?
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Kaizen(O604) has already told you about it, if youre starting in the top half of the grid try 6S/7M, if not then 6M/7S.

Little_Guppy
@Groundfish , we last talked about TCS several weeks ago. I have been working with it.

At Alsace (Group 1 Sauber Mercedes) I ran with TCS=2 for both qualifying and all of the races. My QT was 2.6% off the region time - decent. All but one of my race results were top 5 and most importantly I had no spin-outs. In the past I have managed Gr1 cars at TCS=0 around Fuji so I am *able* to do it but TCS=2 was just better. It much more stable and I was able to gain positions late in the race as my tires were lasting better. Once I noticed the tell-tale *wiggle* I moved in for the pass on the straight with no hesitation. Furthermore, I use radar (no mirror) and occasionally I could close trailing cars doing the *blue-triangle-wiggle-out* 👍.

On Group 4 I am sticking with TCS=0. I used TCS=1 on the Nurb in an effort to save the tires but could not see any advantage. For the most part I think TCS has little or no impact Gr4 with the possible exception of second gear where I feel it is spinning in the 100 kph range.

This week at Interlagos Gr. 3 (Hyundai Genesis) I have been using TCS=1 all week whereas I normally use TCS=0 in that car. I have set a QT of 1:30.6 (2.4 seconds off region best) - for me that is good in Gr3. Now I need to improve my races times as they are relatively poor. Some knock TCS=1 because it offers almost nothing. That is only partially true and it also provides the little red blinker and that help educate with respect to throttle control.

I can't see myself going all in to TCS=3.

Once again thanks for the help.

All,

My conclusion is that TCS in general is a legitimate and useful aid. I expect 80% - 90% of drivers could benefit from it in some form.
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Highly agree. There is a lot of time still to be gained even with TCS. I am usually 2.5-3% off the WR times, with TCS2 on all cars. TCS1 is useless to me as it still spins the tires.
I can very much drive without TCS, and even post similar laptimes. But, that one corner where you go a little wide or where you clip the kerb, TCS can mean the difference between 1st place and last place. If you spin without TCS, race over. If you spin with TCS, you lose half a second to a second at most. This all depends on your driving style too and choice of car. On cars that have a lot of power and rear end grip, TCS is extremely beneficial as it prevents sudden snaps(eg Corvette Gr3, Sauber C9), however on cars that are inherently oversteery like the Ferrari Gr3 or the Atenza Gr3, its better to learn the track completely without TCS, and then use TCS in the race while still driving like you don't have TCS.

@Groundfish is a superfast driver with TCS, so to all TCS haters or those who say that it prevents you from being fast, I urge you to beat him.
I'm only gonna turn off TCS regularly after I feel I have hit a brick wall.
Hell, I still don't trail brake properly! I have a lot of things to learn yet and until then, I will keep using TCS.

Also @NevilleNobody I have no clue what you are on about, good for you if you're fast on controller but I'm dead slow on controller and a wheel is just so much better in so many ways.
 
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In my quest to figure out if the controller is my issue, and should go with a wheel, I did 2 tests outside of racing so I can take other factors out.

First test below, just straight qualifying 13 laps. I can keep it pretty tight, 1.2 second difference without factoring in tread wear. That says I've got the endurance and should be fairly competitive, even though most of the race group I'm put in with are in the 29's.

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Test 2, with tread wear, 13 laps, about a 2.5 second difference.

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Conclusion, I'm not so sure the controller is my problem. To me both are pretty tight. I'm guessing it has to be something in-game that I'm struggling with. And just to give you an example, I qualified 13th, got pushed out to 16th with softs, decided to pit on lap 6, softs again, saw last place come up on me and went around me like I was standing still.

Reason why I'm analyzing without actually running races is because I don't want to blow through my DR that I worked hard for.

Any comments?
 
Matrix243123
In my quest to figure out if the controller is my issue, and should go with a wheel, I did 2 tests outside of racing so I can take other factors out.

First test below, just straight qualifying 13 laps. I can keep it pretty tight, 1.2 second difference without factoring in tread wear. That says I've got the endurance and should be fairly competitive, even though most of the race group I'm put in with are in the 29's.

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Test 2, with tread wear, 13 laps, about a 2.5 second difference.

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Conclusion, I'm not so sure the controller is my problem. To me both are pretty tight. I'm guessing it has to be something in-game that I'm struggling with. And just to give you an example, I qualified 13th, got pushed out to 16th with softs, decided to pit on lap 6, softs again, saw last place come up on me and went around me like I was standing still.

Reason why I'm analyzing without actually running races is because I don't want to blow through my DR that I worked hard for.

Any comments?
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Those look a lot like my laptimes with wheel, pretty similar.
 
Did a few more races with newer GT3 cars. M6 Nurb, RC F ;17, AMG GT3. HAd to use TCS 1 with the M6. I've driven without it in FIA, but it was way too oversteery for me, in the first few corners at Interlagos. over than that, really strong car overall.

RC F was predicatble. NAturally, No TCS. Big Lex just attacks the starights, corners, strong braking, good top speed.

AMG GT3. Was the worse of the three on tyres. Didn't help someone bumped me into a slide. It's funny, I held off an AMG GT3 in the first race when I used the M6. Roles were reversed and I had nothing to attack with in the last 3 laps. M6 just pulled away, like I did.

I take it that'll change at Barcelona with no tyre wear.
 
RacingGrandpa
Tbh IMHO the biggest difference between wheel and controller is immersion. And tire preservation through consistency.
@GOTMAXPOWER is on a controller, not many here can best him for speed.
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Yeah Max is really good, he did a N24 last to ? and I was 8th, he passed me about youtube corner on the first lap. Think he then had some issue cos he came 2nd. The fact he caught me so quickly is impressive, but the fact he had no penalties at that time was amazing. Didn't know he used a controller, but I'm not going to believe you so I can claim all my faults on not having a wheel.

On a brighter point I finally got reset, 1 in maybe 10 races are nice and clean. I've no idea why people play this way....OH forgot totally broken penalty system that doesn't discourage bad driving.
 
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Got chucked into my first ever race against A ranked drivers last night at Monza, was thoroughly expecting to be annihilated but was very pleasantly surprised with 6th, having qualified 11th. Reckon I could've challenged for 4th, but I spent the first two laps on tenterhooks behind a Veyron that had no issue moving under braking, moving multiple times down the straights etc so I had to exercise quite a bit of restraint until I forced him into an error, which I'll admit was almost as satisfying as my actual race performance!
 
Matrix243123
In my quest to figure out if the controller is my issue, and should go with a wheel, I did 2 tests outside of racing so I can take other factors out.

First test below, just straight qualifying 13 laps. I can keep it pretty tight, 1.2 second difference without factoring in tread wear. That says I've got the endurance and should be fairly competitive, even though most of the race group I'm put in with are in the 29's.

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Any comments?
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Our pace is virtually identical. I'd like to get faster too but I think you're over thinking it. Just enjoy the racing assuming you're competitive, i realise the issue is that at our pace, with a SRS, we qualify mid pack so not really competing for podiums, but it is what it is.

I'd be more concerned with tyre life, i just eat them, absolutely eat them.
 
My constant post for the wheel vs. pad discussion -- I love my wheel, but I lost almost 20,000DR in the few weeks after I had it. It's not an instant fix or a cure-all. I'm better now, a year later, because I've gotten a bit faster, but really it's because my racecraft is much, much better.
 
Late response to @NevilleNobody
Sector 3 22.718 on my Aston time from this morning, got in 15 minutes before work 1.29.7
There’s a lot of mistakes in that lap but shared it anyhow.
 
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I feel like a wheel significantly contributes to enjoyment, and smoothness/tyre wear. It's much more rewarding to drive. As we all know, people can be very fast with controller, but I have struggled a lot with it, as it's difficult to get used to and the wheel just feels so much more natural to use.
Bear in mind that @NevilleNobody is probably faster than me on some combos, at least equal to me. It all comes down more to experience and speed.
@Matrix243123 don't worry about it, I've been scrolling back and is this your main question?
Question, at what point does the average driver with a controller hit there limit and only a wheel can keep you competitive? I'm at the top end of BS rating and now get shuffled in with mostly AS/SS rated drivers and getting blown out of the water. I post great qualifying times (race C 1:30.3) but when it comes to the actual race I'm right at the edge and takes nothing to get completely thrown out to the back. And if so, what percentage of AS drivers are running wheels? Was there a poll somewhere here?
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If so, beat @GOTMAXPOWER in a straight fight. He's damn fast on a controller, and your QT is faster than mine on a wheel. I believe you think it's a 'problem' because you keep finishing in low places. The fact is, you're probably getting matched with people who are faster than you. What region are you in? I'm about the same pace as you and I regularly compete for podiums and top 5s this week.
The thing with Sport Mode is that you are matched with only a fraction of the population. If you finish 19th in a race, that doesn't mean you are slow. it simply means everyone in the lobby is faster than you.
I suggest you start using the website kudosprime.com, as it gives you a complete breakdown of you statistics as a driver. You are not slow. If your pace is similar to mine, you are in the top 4% of drivers. Remember, there are almost 200,000 active players in Sport Mode.
DM me or @Pigems or @roamingbard13 if you have any questions about kudosprime, we would be happy to help you learn how to use it.
 
I’d be willing to bet I couldn’t get out of DR C on a controller now, I can barely complete a lap without going off. :lol:


Edit: This was myself and @GOTMAXPOWER duking it out over an entire 40 min race, wheel vs pad. 👍

 
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Pigems
I’d be willing to bet I couldn’t get out of DR C on a controller now, I can barely complete a lap without going off. :lol:


Edit: This was myself and @GOTMAXPOWER duking it out over an entire 40 min race, wheel back pad. 👍

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I did a lobby race w/ pad last week.

I exited quietly before the last race hoping nobody would notice. :O
 
roamingbard13
I love my wheel, but I lost almost 20,000DR in the few weeks after I had it. It's not an instant fix or a cure-all.
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Yep, I dropped from DR A to C after permanently switching. Before that, I switched back and forth. I regret that. Once you switch, keep at it and not fall into the trap of returning to the DS4 because you're faster.

A wheel is one of the best gaming purchases I ever made, no regrets at all.
 
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