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05XR8
1RH/7RM/5RM. Just like my last race.
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Do you think it's actually faster? Womble did a test 8m/5h Vs 13h (does it at weekend so didn't know) Vs 1h/6m/6m. His results were one was fastest, none was workable (well would be) and that two stops was just too slow. Now I've done a few I think two might work for me, but for faster people like you would have thought your losing time.
 
05XR8
I watch when others are pitting, my pace to the leader and how much I'm catching the cars ahead.

When others are pitting, I have a fresher tyre before they pit and since my tyres are "warm", I have a better pace while someone on "cold" tyres has to take it easy before they come up to temps. So, I get a bit more of a gap when I do my second pit.

That's my comfort level though. I'm going for all out speed on the RMs, rather than managing an RH for multiple laps.
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For the same reason, when there are those races where people only use the H's for one last lap to comply with the rule, I will often run the last TWO laps on them, so that I am at a faster pace on that last lap, and potentially can overtake someone on the warmed-up H's... it's worked from time to time, and I think somewhat faster than the worn softer tire at the end of the stint.
 
One attempt at Race B, in the 911 RSR as it's my favourite at the moment. No qualifying practice, just jumped straight in. Started 16th, up to 10th after 2 laps, held the position and kept everything really clean, and caught up to the guy in 9th on the last lap who managed to get a 3s penalty tussling with some wide-elbowed racers. Happy with a 9th place finish and clean race on my first attempt.

Who's using what cars and what's the cars to avoid?
 
I am very close to calling Dragon and GR2 / Race C my favorite combination, if it wasn't for the incredible old fashion primitive scheduled matchmaking system i would have done 4 races there instead of just one.

The good thing is that i like this combination so much i just do Q laps. Currently at 1:29 which in my world is pretty good.

My only race was in the old GTR 08, fun but not fast enough to win :)
 
MidnightRun85
One attempt at Race B, in the 911 RSR as it's my favourite at the moment. No qualifying practice, just jumped straight in. Started 16th, up to 10th after 2 laps, held the position and kept everything really clean, and caught up to the guy in 9th on the last lap who managed to get a 3s penalty tussling with some wide-elbowed racers. Happy with a 9th place finish and clean race on my first attempt.

Who's using what cars and what's the cars to avoid?
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There’s no cars to avoid per se, but recognize...In a twitchy mr car like the 911 the final sector can be more difficult.
Yes. It has POTENTIAL on a PERFECT run to get there quick. It’s probably the best QUAL car. I can get a great qual lap with it with a bit of effort.
I find though the more “lumbering” FR cars like a vette are easier in that sector due to their stability. The Subaru isn’t that fast but gets around nicely also.
With tight hairpins curbs and the run out of that last chicane so crucial I can’t use 911 in race conditions, myself.
I like vette, AMG, Aston.
 
What do you guys think about this questionable tactic for BMB qualifying?
This clip is from the number 1 person in America's region, but numbers 2 & 3 also did it.

I can see both sides of it.
On one hand, they're using a non-traditional braking aid, but on the other hand, the game allows it.

 
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sturk0167
What do you guys think about this questionable tactic for BMB qualifying?
This clip is from the number 1 person in America's region, but numbers 2 & 3 also did it.

I can see both sides of it.
On one hand, they're using a non-traditional braking aid, but on the other hand, the game allows it.

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Hahah, humans :D
Tbh this just shows how broken the penalty system is, they give penalty to a car that spun and hit the barrier and probably lost 10+seconds , but ones that uses the barrier as a braking spot and actually gain an advantage gets nothing , ha!
 
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sturk0167
What do you guys think about this questionable tactic for BMB qualifying?
This clip is from the number 1 person in America's region, but numbers 2 & 3 did it also.

I can see both sides of it.
On one hand, they're using a non-traditional braking aid, but on the other hand, the game allows it.

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The penalty system is pretty liberal with track limits. You can cut the corner in almost all the high speed turns on this track. So if that is not considered cheating, I can see your point that since the game allows it, this shouldn't be cheating either. If people cut those corners, it doesn't really cause an issue for others on the track.

However if some people start taking this line in the race it will definitely cause collisions with people on the non cheating line.
 
Norrin Radd
Do you think it's actually faster? Womble did a test 8m/5h Vs 13h (does it at weekend so didn't know) Vs 1h/6m/6m. His results were one was fastest, none was workable (well would be) and that two stops was just too slow. Now I've done a few I think two might work for me, but for faster people like you would have thought your losing time.
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Most races, I'll dump the RH after one lap, so I can just run the faster tyre and have fun.
In the race where I finished second, P1 ran a one stop. Big difference is they were able to dispatch a couple cars ahead of us on the first lap and I got stuck behind them. Did my pit stop, navigated traffic. Did my second stop and was faster than the leader(and the person that finished P2, but dropped to 11th, because of not using both compounds) on the last three laps.

I'm not looking at overall time. It's a strategy I use in FIA as well. I prefer not to be behind someone on the same strategy.

Last week at Interlagos, that was different as well. Different cars. Different track. I ran a popular strategy of the RM first and RS second. By the end of the race, both compounds were pretty even on the last few laps.

KosmoKazi
For the same reason, when there are those races where people only use the H's for one last lap to comply with the rule, I will often run the last TWO laps on them, so that I am at a faster pace on that last lap, and potentially can overtake someone on the warmed-up H's... it's worked from time to time, and I think somewhat faster than the worn softer tire at the end of the stint.
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The time I done that strategy, was in an FIA race at Sardegna. I got Pole and just ran the Softs and I think I pit about two or three times for those. Then, on the last two laps, pit for the RM and RH. Won by a ridiculous amount of time, 30 seconds or something like that.

It's only Wednesday morning for me, maybe players will start getting more comfortable with this combo and not make as many mistakes. There's a big difference in braking and cornering performance, between the two compounds with these cars.

Last point. When the race starts, I'm usually second to last. I make up a coupe spots with cars exiting the final turn, by them spinning their tyres and running into the barrier on the right or doing a 360 trying to correct the spin.
I also make up positions by people punting someone off at T1 and at Larini hairpin. From there, people being held up by a cautious car at the COD.

We all know these cars can bite. Be safe out there. ;)
 
sturk0167
On one hand, they're using a non-traditional braking aid, but on the other hand, the game allows it.
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Or just call it cheating and be done. Just because the game allows it doesn't mean you should do it, by that logic if you push someone off the right way you don't get a pen so you should do this every game.
Watched a vid the other day and the guy put it just right " cheating in an single player game is fine as you can do whatever you want to have fun, but cheating in a multiplayer game is just wrong"
 
Newb question. At any given time for a daily race (let's say 2030 for a gr2 DragonTrail race). When you sign up and do qualifying laps I take it there must be a couple of hundred people doing the same thing? At 2030 do they slot everyone into several identical and concurrent races with different groups of 20 (based on your rating)?

I want to sign up and I have looked for info but can't find this. I am E but doing not bad in the lobby but have no idea what to expect if I try and enter a daily race. I know I would practice time trials on my own with the race parameters before trying to enter or qualify, but I have no idea if i would be wasting my time if the races only take the top 20 A+ players and there are no concurrent races for newbs like me. Are there enough races at 2030 (for example) to take everyone?

Thanks in advance for any info on this.
 
newb1017
Newb question. At any given time for a daily race (let's say 2030 for a gr2 DragonTrail race). When you sign up and do qualifying laps I take it there must be a couple of hundred people doing the same thing? At 2030 do they slot everyone into several identical and concurrent races with different groups of 20 (based on your rating)?
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Yes - although it's based primarily on your SR rather than your DR, and you don't necessarily need to qualify, though that will determine your grid position.
 
Been doing some more daily race C this evening. It's been a bit frustrating at times as this track seems to encourage folks to go elbows out a lot of the time or at least it does in the basement rank.

It only takes a small nudge to be put in a really bad situation and also collect penalties along the way. The frustrating bit is more often than not the person who initiated the nudge often gets by with no penalty.

Still I did have some good races too and much to my surprise I managed my second ever win. I have been running 5H / 8M for the most part though the first stint might stretch depending on position & traffic.

This is another race which folks are not using all tires and it's just free places again. Crossed line in 3rd, top two got their 60 second penalty and gifted me a win.

I am much happier with this win as I finished much closer to the top two time wise even with the pitstop and also no penalties, which is a miracle all on its own.

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sturk0167
What do you guys think about this questionable tactic for BMB qualifying?
This clip is from the number 1 person in America's region, but numbers 2 & 3 also did it.

I can see both sides of it.
On one hand, they're using a non-traditional braking aid, but on the other hand, the game allows it.

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I don’t like it, but if that’s fastest you gotta do that until it’s fixed.
It’s a good question in racing though you bring up...
Do you race by the games standards or your own?
I’m a hybrid. In sport mode it’s sport mode. ALL OUT. The thing in sport mode is if you think you can get away with it you will probably do it. If you think you can get by the guy ahead and get away you will do it. Let the game sort out penalties.
Imo applying racing standards is a courtesy not necessity.
Lobby is another story. Private lobbies can be held to proper standards.
The thing too is in sport mode, sometimes you have to be more aggressive, to save your own SR.
Interlagos was a great example. Most races there are great. Peoples qual generally matched the racepace.
At a track like that though when a persons pace isn’t up to their qual everyone behind them are in dire straits sr wise. Packs get ugly real quick there. You gotta avoid packs or lurk behind and get by then quick at the right moment.
Point is early in race a few times, I knew the players right behind me were problematic to my sr, so when the fella ahead of me was slow, I HAD to nudge by in a slow turn because driving respectfully and waiting would mean ME getting hit.
So sport is sport, the rules are set by the game. If it’s allowed you play on. Dog eat dog.
It’s why imo the penalty system is the most important part of online racing.
I think mostly it’s been working pretty well but obviously there’s still huge issues as shown in your video.
 
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There was a wall riding qualifying exploit at T1 on the Blue Moon oval Group 3 race too. Gran Turismo and wall riding, the iconic duo.

I did a couple races at Dragon Trail and managed to die at the chicane in both :dunce:, but they were low SR races so I still managed to move up places.
 
I'd rather the choices been the '08 models if that's the case. Don't like the mix of both eras.
 
I didn't think I would but I actually prefer DTS with GR2 to GR3 or 4. I'm not convinced the GR1 would be much quicker on this track.

Can really throw the car around, minimal understeer and fantastic brakes. I found 6/7 lap split works fine, starting on Hard.

Had a funny race earlier, of 12 starters 8 forgot the tyre rule...including the guy in 3rd place
 
NAXEHT
Where are all the 08's in Daily C? Man, sheeple are so boring.
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Tried them all, all 6 and the 08's are too slow and apart from the GT-R too unstable...well in my hands. Of the 16's I can get the best time in the NSX, but it's such a handful and slips if it sniffs paint. The other 2 are pretty even but I'm more consistent (crash less often, but still too much) in the Lexus.
 
Pigems
The old ones usually can’t keep up since the last BoP update.
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Well, would you go so far as to say they’re completely uncompetitive?

I can understand why if someone is at high A or A+ they only participate with the absolute best cars because they aren’t prepared to sacrifice their oh so important DR. But DR B? Right now I’m at mid/high B after letting it intentionally drop by skipping qualifying and using the dailies as a kind of relaxation with music instead of in-game sound. Even down here in B people seem to force themselves to go meta all the time and I just don’t really get it.
 
NAXEHT
Well, would you go so far as to say they’re completely uncompetitive?

I can understand why if someone is at high A or A+ they only participate with the absolute best cars because they aren’t prepared to sacrifice their oh so important DR. But DR B? Right now I’m at mid/high B after letting it intentionally drop by skipping qualifying and using the dailies as a kind of relaxation with music instead of in-game sound. Even down here in B people seem to force themselves to go meta all the time and I just don’t really get it.
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At most tracks the new ones are better, at a couple of the faster more wide open tracks, the old ones are better, because they have a higher top speed if I remember correctly, but they have less downforce.

Let me reverse that on you then. If you’re not at A+, why handicap yourself in the race with an inferior car? When I want to drive a nail, I grab a hammer, not a screw driver. :)
 
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Groundfish
There’s no cars to avoid per se, but recognize...In a twitchy mr car like the 911 the final sector can be more difficult.
Yes. It has POTENTIAL on a PERFECT run to get there quick. It’s probably the best QUAL car. I can get a great qual lap with it with a bit of effort.
I find though the more “lumbering” FR cars like a vette are easier in that sector due to their stability. The Subaru isn’t that fast but gets around nicely also.
With tight hairpins curbs and the run out of that last chicane so crucial I can’t use 911 in race conditions, myself.
I like vette, AMG, Aston.
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I hadn't even considered the Subaru! I've had a few qually laps in the Jaguar F-Type and finding that a bit quicker at the moment. Currently sitting on a low 1:48:3 but stuffed up a good lap where I was on for a 1:47:5. Improvements shall be made!

I'll give the Aston and Corvette a go. Might also break out the R8, that seems to be what the fastest guys are using at the moment.
 
Pigems
At most tracks the new ones are better, at a couple of the faster more wide open tracks, the old ones are better, because they have a higher top speed if I remember correctly, but they have less downforce.

Let me reverse that on you then. If you’re not at A+, why handicap yourself in the race with an inferior car? When I want to drive a nail, I grab a hammer, not a screw driver. :)
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Because it is, at least in my opinion, pretty dull and boring to have (nearly) onemake races when there’s several cars available. That’s the reason I usually go with whatever no one else is driving, or my personal favourites even if they’re inferior.

Two RC F’s and me in the ’08 GT-R in this one now. Rest ’16 GT-R's.
 
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NAXEHT
Because it is, at least in my opinion, pretty dull and boring to have (nearly) onemake races when there’s several cars available. That’s the reason I usually go with whatever no one else is driving, or my personal favourites even if they’re inferior.

Two RC F’s and me in the ’08 GT-R in this one now. Rest ’16 GT-R's.
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To each their own. :cheers:

I prefer one make races, that way when it’s over, I know that there’s only one reason why the guys ahead beat me, and it has nothing to do with the cars. I don’t care if it’s a field full of shopping carts, I just wanna win. :)
 
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Pigems
To each their own. :cheers:

I prefer one make races, that way when it’s over, I know that there’s only one reason why the guys ahead beat me, and it has nothing to do with the cars. I don’t care if it’s a field full of shopping carts, I just wanna win. :)
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Indeed, to each their own.

I too can appreciate the fine driving needed to win one make races as it’s obviously all down to driver skill but I think there’s a time and place for that and that’s when settings are just that, set for one make. If settings aren’t limited then let’s have a mixed field, I say.

It’s even a bit hypocritical, I’d call it, to ask for more and more cars for the game but then resorting to driving whatever everyone else is. Not aimed directly at you but at anyone who holds such opinions but does the opposite.
 
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