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NevilleNobody
i will have to try in qualy, but three times now I have been up 0.6 on my 29.0 and three times i have butchered the COD and that is lifting so how i do it flat is beyond me.
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Well I can do it and I'm slower than you, but it all depends on the speed your going into it and the angles you hit. I need to be just about perfect for me to even go for it in quali and even then I still muck up about 50% of the time, true mostly just skiffing a wall and not losing much more than lifting. I'd say it's 30% skill 30% nerves and 40% sheer luck to make it as being the slightest bit out and your car can go off unpredictably due to the curbs.
 
newb1017
Thanks for the advice and encouragement. I did 3 races in the group C event today and it was fun and easy to navigate. I only messed the chicane up once in 39 passes...lol..... I qualified at 133.5 and then 132.8 so I was surprised to be in a race with some 128s.... was fun though.
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100% not saying this to be a douche but at that pace, you weigh 400 pounds so the first 30 to 50 pounds you will lose super fast, you're not trying to go from 170 to 160. With a bit of help from this forum i reakon you can get that 32.8 to a 31 really quickly.

Are you following the racing line provided in the options? That is step 1, as is using some TC, at least 2.
 
I’d argue against using the racing line. One, it has you looking down at the track, instead of looking up at your marks, or the cars around you. It also doesn’t put you on the “fast line” in many corners of many tracks. There are so many corners that have to be severely cut or run wide to get that fast lap, and the in game race line will never get you out onto those proper wide lines. Cones are much better than the racing line for helping in that regard. :)
 
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Pigems
I’d argue against using the racing line. One, it has you looking down at the track, instead of looking up at your marks, or the cars around you. It also doesn’t put you on the “fast line” in many corners of many tracks. There are so many corners that have to be severely cut or run wide to get that fast lap, and the in game race line will never get you out onto those proper wide lines. Cones are much better than the racing line for helping in that regard. :)
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I generally agree but at his pace, i reakon you start with fundamentals of wide then apex, wide then apex etc. There's so much low hanging fruit at 1.33, he is gonna run a 1.31 be uber pumped without having to get creative or cutcorners.
 
My strategy for CoD is close my eyes and yeet it through.Heh really it depends on a race situation, tyres and position on how I approach that part of the track.

If I need to I can take it through at full throttle but the exit is always a little sketchy for me personally but if needs must I will go for it. More often than not though I don't need to or just can't because of traffic or tyres so have to lift so that I can be certain I am still alive to keep knocking out a consistent lap time.
 
I’m a proponent of using line cones and markers.
Shorten the learning curve. No sense getting bad habits.
Yes turn line off once you have found the groove.
I learn tracks by turning on the aids braking before apex throttle after. Steering to max angle at apex releasing after. Flow. Blend turning steering more while releasing brakes more to no brakes max steering at apex. Then release steering plus adding throttle smoothly.
That’s literally all it is, blending and flowing the car at faster and faster speeds. Imo starting out you start out slow and steady placing the car on line then buildup a little bit when you get comfortable.
It’s better than trying max speed crash retry crash retry imo. If you never do that (retry). You will be better in race, you’ll be used to being a little off and salvaging speed you’ll learn to keep it together.
I ingrain the line first is what I do, as I push a bit more and more the car ends up out on the curbs.
You start slow. (Or that’s what works for me)



I generally use line when revisiting a track I haven’t driven in a while too or if I’m having trouble, then it goes off.
On Nord, I use the aids in race. I punch above my weight there, without line I lose a lot of time.
Line makes it much easier for me to learn the right way around.
I respect your points @Pigems and they are true also, at A plus you are not going to be looking down, but for learning it’s fastest way to learn I’ve found.
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NevilleNobody
I am convince, as always, the fastest strategy is slow tyre first, because you lose time tustling at the beginning, then switch tot he faster tyre in cleanish air and run qualy laps.
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Any race that offers 2 tire choices, no matter how many are mandatory, I start on the slower tire. I find consistency for over half the race on the slower tire & when I feel like it's about to give up, I make the switch & finish on the faster tire. It's paid off for me more times than any other strategy.

NevilleNobody
I generally agree but at his pace, i reakon you start with fundamentals of wide then apex, wide then apex etc. There's so much low hanging fruit at 1.33, he is gonna run a 1.31 be uber pumped without having to get creative or cutcorners.
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Most of us don't see certain racing lines as cutting corners. For example, at Degnar 1 at Suzuka, you can "cut" that corner by dropping the right side wheels into the grass while keeping the lefts on the rumble strip. The other option is to keep all 4 tires on the track, but that requires you to slow down more in order to not go wide into the sand. That's what Pigems is talking about. If you can keep your car under control, you can do that as well at DTS at the sharp right leading to the CoD. Not sure how much that would be worth at DTS, but it's worth a tenth (or 2 tenths) of a second at Suzuka. So, if he can trim the track & be able to qualify at a 1:31, he'll be even more excited by a 1:30.8.
 
I think some of us more advanced players often forget what it was like to be E or D or C dr and learning to control the cars.
Forget fancy-just learn the darn line right.
I wish I hadn’t been too proud to use it when I learned. Took me a good six or eight months before I finally saw the light.
Obviously I’m pretty opinionated.
 
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I'm having success in race C starting with both the mediums and hards. But I'm finding that the better the lobby you end up in..... the more advantageous it is to start with the hards. However, the one big caveat to starting with the hards is that you have clean racers in front of you when you start charging with the mediums. The mediums are noticeably quicker than the hards and allow you to brake a lot later. I've got more than a few penalties from hitting someone in the rear because my exit speed was so much greater than theirs
 
RacingGrandpa
If you haven't already done so the try moving the BB back to 3-4, it makes it much more stable and predictable. If it's too stable toucan move it forward in increments to find your best setting
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I was sticking with 0 as I thought a BB of +3 or +5 would make it even more over-steery. Will try. Thanks.
 
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Little_Guppy
I was sticking with 0 as I though a BB of +3 or +5 would make it even more over-steery. Will try. Thanks.
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I've been using -2, which seems odd compared to the advice here.
I brake in a straight line, and start releasing the brake as I start the turn, go off throttle until the apex, and then get on the gas as the car straightens out.

Didn't try rear bias like +3 yet, I wonder if that will be faster for me.
 
newb1017
Thanks for the advice and encouragement. I did 3 races in the group C event today and it was fun and easy to navigate. I only messed the chicane up once in 39 passes...lol..... I qualified at 133.5 and then 132.8 so I was surprised to be in a race with some 128s.... was fun though. The only people I passed were people who crashed and could not re-catch me....lol What is really helpful is I got to see where I was keeping pace with the leaders and where I was not. Tells me which parts of the track I need to improve on.. I was a bit confused about the med/hard tire thing. I went with mediums before and after the pit stop, but was not sure if was actually supposed to use both at some point. I assume if there is a required switch then the pit gives you no options?? EDIT I just read up that I was supposed to use both or get a post race time penalty. Will used both next time..
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Wonderful!

We could have told about the tire thing ahead of time but that would be no fun. Seriously, too much info and best to just get in the car. There is more but you know enough to have fun. You will figure it out the rest later.

You can review the C race introduction upon selecting the race. Then pick "Race Details" (lower right corner) then scroll all the way to bottom... there it is clear as day. :rolleyes: It is all hidden away. Each week it is a little different and bit by bit you will figure out the important bits.

There is a wide spread in times (long discussion needed) but sportsmanship (SR) is prioritized over DR and then your qual time ranks you within the group.

Next tip: Use "Campaign" | "Circuit Experience" to learn the circuits. The videos will teach you the layout section by section. My goal is to beat the Gold Medal on each section and then reliably repeat it a few times.

Enjoy.

NevilleNobody
I never take COD flat, even in qualifying. I always lift in the race but still bin it regularly. It just butchers the race for me so often, i hate it.

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I hear ya... but...

Try it in practice/Qualy even if you never use it in the race. The experience and the act of perfecting it will help because then you know what the car is capable of. That is important for confidence and it is worth 0.5s for QT.

I now know that if I hit the mid-CoD rumple strip on the right correctly while in fifth I will make a no-lift-but-shift-to-sixth-even-if-not-at-the-rev-limit roughly using the @KosmoKazi recipe from above. After a bit it becomes reasonably reliable. I now enjoy that bit instead of dreading it.
 
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If I’m in clean air I won’t lift for CoD unless I’ve got the line wrong. A lift has saved me many times. What I can’t quite get is the shift point to 6th y’all are recommending. My brain can’t process it in that moment, but as I clear the chicane instead.

I go, Ahhhhhhhh*shift* and i can’t go Ahhhhh*shift*hhhh. I’m sure the secret is to drop the screaming entirely, but that doesn’t feel like a realistic goal.
 
deviln3
I've been using -2, which seems odd compared to the advice here.
I brake in a straight line, and start releasing the brake as I start the turn, go off throttle until the apex, and then get on the gas as the car straightens out.

Didn't try rear bias like +3 yet, I wonder if that will be faster for me.
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Probably two different driving styles,.my guess is you brake later and harder than I do, while I iniitiate the turn at a higher speed but earlier.
Does that make.sense?
 
ZiggyS80
If I’m in clean air I won’t lift for CoD unless I’ve got the line wrong. A lift has saved me many times. What I can’t quite get is the shift point to 6th y’all are recommending. My brain can’t process it in that moment, but as I clear the chicane instead.

I go, Ahhhhhhhh*shift* and i can’t go Ahhhhh*shift*hhhh. I’m sure the secret is to drop the screaming entirely, but that doesn’t feel like a realistic goal.
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Many times in this game I’ve used your technique, only with the f removed haha.
 
NevilleNobody
100% not saying this to be a douche but at that pace, you weigh 400 pounds so the first 30 to 50 pounds you will lose super fast, you're not trying to go from 170 to 160. With a bit of help from this forum i reakon you can get that 32.8 to a 31 really quickly.

Are you following the racing line provided in the options? That is step 1, as is using some TC, at least 2.
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No offence taken.. Any tips are helpful. I did a 131.7 today but still a bit tentative. I only picked up the MOTUL an hour before my first race yesterday, but I do circuits on DragonTrail lots with the Gr3 Porsche 911. It is the only car I can drive comfortably at 0 traction and no other assists. I had the Motul at T2. With all the turns at DragonTrail being right the Motul wants to oversteer bad if I don't accelerate smooth so I thought for races I would go T2 so I don't wreck other people.

Where I am losing time is the chicane exit and stretch after that and I don't accelerate quick enough out of the horseshoe turn, but I am getting better. I am also old and driving Automatic, so I am never going to be good. I do work on driving lines and watch vidoes and stuff but my main goal is to (1) have fun, (2) give way to other drivers, (3) and not wreck anyone. Everyone has different goals but for me I just want to race in races where I won't mess up. My fav track is Maggorie and I like the Gr3 911 there and the Hyndai Genesis.

One thing I need/want to fix is the DragonTrail chicane. I am not sure if it is me or the car but in lobby races I can keep within 2 seconds a lap of most people but they are going full speed through that chicane and I can't manage it. The Motul is actually easier to drive through the chicane than the 911. Maybe I will try the Audi R8 LM6. I may be able to exit the chicane at a higher speed.

Thanks Little Guppy, GroundFish, NoStopN, Pigems and Racing Grandpa for the tips.
 
I cannot for the life of me get used to turning in for a corner when all I can see ahead is wall. Maybe like one lap per race I'll nail the CoD purely because I'm distracted thinking about other racers or pit strategy, but if I'm by myself I always lift and wait to see the curbs, which is of course wrong. :banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
I tried the Xanavi a couple times. It’s good on tires. Good car actually. First race I went long on mediums to start but binned the chicane about lap eleven or so before pitting argh!
Next race I was a pen magnet and placed in the timeout lobby where I recovered.
Trying Lexus now.
Good racing so far! Fun!
I tried an a race and I’m slow on those, got punted too by an Argentinian.

Onward!
 
I am really enjoying race C. It seems to suit me very well and I’m typically punching well above my weight in races. One thing that I can’t work out is where people are getting the extra qualifying time. I’m at 1:28.1 with an optimal of 1:27.6 but I can see no way to do better than a 1:27.5 on a perfect lap. I’ve watched the leader’s laps and, honestly, the only thing I notice is they seem to brake impossibly late for the right hander before the CoD. How are they getting away with braking so late? I try it and end up n the marbles or in the wall.

newb1017
No offence taken.. Any tips are helpful. I did a 131.7 today but still a bit tentative. I only picked up the MOTUL an hour before my first race yesterday, but I do circuits on DragonTrail lots with the Gr3 Porsche 911. It is the only car I can drive comfortably at 0 traction and no other assists. I had the Motul at T2. With all the turns at DragonTrail being right the Motul wants to oversteer bad if I don't accelerate smooth so I thought for races I would go T2 so I don't wreck other people.

Where I am losing time is the chicane exit and stretch after that and I don't accelerate quick enough out of the horseshoe turn, but I am getting better. I am also old and driving Automatic, so I am never going to be good. I do work on driving lines and watch vidoes and stuff but my main goal is to (1) have fun, (2) give way to other drivers, (3) and not wreck anyone. Everyone has different goals but for me I just want to race in races where I won't mess up. My fav track is Maggorie and I like the Gr3 911 there and the Hyndai Genesis.

One thing I need/want to fix is the DragonTrail chicane. I am not sure if it is me or the car but in lobby races I can keep within 2 seconds a lap of most people but they are going full speed through that chicane and I can't manage it. The Motul is actually easier to drive through the chicane than the 911. Maybe I will try the Audi R8 LM6. I may be able to exit the chicane at a higher speed.

Thanks Little Guppy, GroundFish, NoStopN, Pigems and Racing Grandpa for the tips.
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When you say “horseshoe” do you mean the final right-hander? That is a key corner in-race. Much more important IMO than whether you lift or not at the CoD.

When I get that turn wrong it’s usually because I brake too late and have to take off too much speed to get to the apex. If you can practice getting that corner right it will dramatically improve your race pace.
 
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2 tries at Race C today. Started and finished near the back in both. Small mistakes were costly.

QT: 1:29.5. First race started last of the qualifiers except for one with a QT of 12 hours something. That must have took effort. :lol:

Saw Trone in the 2nd race. Was doing OK till I accidentally clipped a car, fell to the back. Pitted L4 to regroup. Overall it worked out better than the 1st race.

Competition has been tough. I feel like a perfect race for me might barely get me a top 10.
 
Yeah i am sr99 and the pace is incredible, especially on worn rubber.

Finally put a lap together and dropped MY QT to 28.1, felt like a blinder of a lap and took me to the top if my friends list but still over 2pc off the nest time which is incredible.

First race started 13th, fought my way to 6th on the hards! But the COD strikes and finished 12th, severely peeved in tell you.
 
RacingGrandpa
Probably two different driving styles,.my guess is you brake later and harder than I do, while I iniitiate the turn at a higher speed but earlier.
Does that make.sense?
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Ya I brake very late and very hard. If I miss my brake marker, I usually slide off the edge of the track and miss the apex completely haha
 
D_Dragline
I am really enjoying race C. It seems to suit me very well and I’m typically punching well above my weight in races. One thing that I can’t work out is where people are getting the extra qualifying time. I’m at 1:28.1 with an optimal of 1:27.6 but I can see no way to do better than a 1:27.5 on a perfect lap. I’ve watched the leader’s laps and, honestly, the only thing I notice is they seem to brake impossibly late for the right hander before the CoD. How are they getting away with braking so late? I try it and end up n the marbles or in the wall.



When you say “horseshoe” do you mean the final right-hander? That is a key corner in-race. Much more important IMO than whether you lift or not at the CoD.

When I get that turn wrong it’s usually because I brake too late and have to take off too much speed to get to the apex. If you can practice getting that corner right it will dramatically improve your race pace.
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I hit 130.506 in qualifying tonight!!

As for what I called the horseshoe, it is the double right before you head up hill on the winding straightaway. The turn in is ok at full speed and I have my braking spot, but on accelerating out I am still gun shy about accelerating aggressively. Worried about going through the turn on the left or spinning out and oversteering into the wall on the right. I just need more reps to become more aggressive.

On the right turn before the chicane I hear what you are saying. I think I do that well but some cars come roaring down on the inside and take that turn like they have steel cleats on...lol

On the last righthand turn of the track, I am good on that one. Some crazy combo of brake/accel, brake/accel and diving in allow me to get tight and come out of that with speed.
 
newb1017
I hit 130.506 in qualifying tonight!!

As for what I called the horseshoe, it is the double right before you head up hill on the winding straightaway. The turn in is ok at full speed and I have my braking spot, but on accelerating out I am still gun shy about accelerating aggressively. Worried about going through the turn on the left or spinning out and oversteering into the wall on the right. I just need more reps to become more aggressive.
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I drove the '16 NSX to QT 1:29.9, but was able to run 1:29.5 in race in the '16 GT-R. If you want to see that race, I uploaded it in the game. Search for "seaside", "GTR", & "NoStopN". It ended like this:

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Also, there is no shame in using TCS. I use 2 for these cars.
 
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D_Dragline
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the only thing I notice is they seem to brake impossibly late for the right hander before the CoD. How are they getting away with braking so late? I try it and end up n the marbles or in the wall.
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Are you judging by the replay? My sense is that the replays are mis-calibrated and tend to show later than actual braking.

You can test it by saving your own lap where you brake at specific points and then review it in replay mode to determine if it matches your actual brake points.
 
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