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Groundfish
He was past before turn in. Some would say that is a penalty.
Passing under braking is a valid move and if the overlap is sufficient before turn in isn’t that a fair move and his apex?
Hard to say for sure without full replay. I mean punting people who outbrake is cheating.
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What I mean is that if someone cuts into my braking line like that, I wouldn't feel guilty about incidentally ramming them into the wall. I would never intentionally do that though, what kind of person would I be if I did that?

As for the rules, if the overlap is sufficient it's shared corner rights. If he can't stay to the inside line without ramming the adjacent car then it's a dive bomb as they over shot the braking line and the apex into the neighboring car. Passing there is fine if you can get away with it without causing an incident... he didn't.
 
Decided to give Race A a burl. Was hoping to claw back some SR. For one makes I'm usually pretty crap, so I expected to loose DR and finish somewhere in the last 3 places. Turns out there are people even more crap than me :eek:. I qualified P7/12, with the grid a mix of DR/A+, A, B, C and D.

The standing start caught a few people by surprise, so I gained a couple of places there, and another at T1. Coming out of the corner after the esses I was in P4 and more than a little shocked. I managed to hang on to the track, but lost some time at the tight corners a couple of times and some cars slipped through. I more or less expected that. Down to P6 where I crossed 20s behind the leader and 8s ahead of P7.

I clawed back 4 of my 7 lost SR, gained a few hundred DR (bonus :D!) and finished with a clean race bonus! I call that a result! <happy dance> Day 1 visiting DR/C
 
Ballptthief
I am just saying I can literally see the back of his car before turn in.
He didnt appear to be sliding or overshooting. Looks like the full overtake was completed under braking but obviously the whole replay is needed.
Yes, that’s a late move but I can see why a penalty was given.
 
I just looked at the post race board for my last race. Has anyone seen someone start SR/S and finish SR/E ???
 
My favorite section on Dragon Trail. I prefer driving the track this way than the other clock wise route.
 
sturk0167
You make a very good point. Without a doubt, it's been my biggest problem in the game. I guess I never really thought about the slipstream effect when approaching a corner behind somebody. With nobody behind me, it's usually not a problem. When someone is close behind, I try not to brake too early, to avoid getting hit, myself. I'm still working on it.
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That’s a big deal, hence why I said I move out of the slipstream before braking. I watched a video of @kie25 doing it with expert precision, you’re bumper to bumper so move out of the slipstream before the braking zone and choose a different line.

Doesn’t help when the guy in front moves to block you and puts you back in a slipstream under braking :lol:
 
mustang is good for me. Gained 13 positions and finished 3rd C/A

 
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Ballptthief
I am just saying I can literally see the back of his car before turn in.
He didnt appear to be sliding or overshooting. Looks like the full overtake was completed under braking but obviously the whole replay is needed.
Yes, that’s a late move but I can see why a penalty was given.
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I'm assuming you mean my gif? His brake lights never came off, he never stopped braking. The problem is not that he didn't have a right to the apex, he surely did, yet that he moved to the outside in the braking zone, while braking, blocking my line while braking.

The penalty was given because he went off after, overshooting the corner. Which he probably would have done anyway as he simply ping ponged between my car and the car in front with no net difference in speed as result. (Some momentum was transferred to the front car, so he was actually a bit slower than he would have been when going off track) Since I was the last car to touch his I got a penalty. The penalty system is very simple, only rule is: last car to touch a car that goes off road gets the penalty.
 
Invisigoth
Well that was weird. I took a stroll round the gardens a couple of times. Decided to give the GTR a go. Last night I beat my Trophy time with the Atenza, and tonight I beat my Atenza time with the GTR. First race I qualified P7 in a full grid, mixed DR/B, C and D. That changed at race time to P5/10 :odd:.

Racing was tight and a fair bit of toing and froing. The race was fairly clean. No Hong Kong flags with anyone that had the words king or boss ;). Towards the end of the race I got rear ended and got an orange SR. Still not sure why. Finished P6. Lost 20 odd DR and still SR 99 despite the orange SR.

Next race again P7, and again promoted to P5 come race time. Mixed grid again.

It was kinda mayhem. I was doing pretty well and gaining on the cars ahead when I had to go wide due to another car coming up the inside. Messed up my line and lost a lot of time, and was mugged by the group behind. I was rear ended twice and got an orange SR twice. I was pretty sure there was no overlap, so maybe the game decided I was braking inappropriately. I was braking so I didn't hit the cars in front! Finished P6 on a fuller grid.

DR up 220, SR dropped to 92 :irked:. Have they changed the penalty system again and gone back to giving both cars orange SR for contact? I also noticed no time penalties for the orange SR, so both races showed no penalties.
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Here's my theory from the Undocumented Changes thread:

"Just did a couple of Race B's this morning, and when getting hit from behind or the side, I noticed the orange SR appear on the screen, but no penalty time added. At the end of the race I had a Blue SR rating. I'm guessing that because no time was added, is the system now showing that the 'rammer' got an SR reduction?"

The same happened in the races at lunchtime. Hit from behind and the sides, orange SR sign appears, no time reduction or SR reduction for me, but the cars that hit me did.
 
GTP_TO Blue
Here's my theory from the Undocumented Changes thread:

"Just did a couple of Race B's this morning, and when getting hit from behind or the side, I noticed the orange SR appear on the screen, but no penalty time added. At the end of the race I had a Blue SR rating. I'm guessing that because no time was added, is the system now showing that the 'rammer' got an SR reduction?"

The same happened in the races at lunchtime. Hit from behind and the sides, orange SR sign appears, no time reduction or SR reduction for me, but the cars that hit me did.
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I just had that in FIA race. Got bump passed by 2 drivers on the inside of that long righthander on BW and got orange sr marker, but no time penalty. They got neither, alto they clearly rammed me off..

Something new?
 
Sven,
Some would say he was by you before turn in (overtake complete)and trail braking after turning in and your contact turning into him might have caused the ping pong. Even if he did move outside the inner edge of the track by 2 feet that’s his choice since he was by you.
That’s a valid argument a person could make is all I’m sayin. I probably would have hit him too since it was a quick late move.
That’s a tough area on that track for trying to avoid trouble.
Im not sure the penalty system works as you say, maybe it does and maybe it doesn’t.
At any rate keep on keeping on!
 
Sven Jurgens
Not even this?
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Don't swerve in the braking zone, stick to your line. I can't react that fast to a sudden line change like that while braking. 2 sec penalty, oh well.
I was in the middle as the car ahead was on the left at first. I didn't want to brake in his slipstream yet he moved over to block as he had been doing for the past 2 laps. I decided to just stay there not to be unpredictable, yet the car behind insisted on out braking on the right. Pick a line, stop moving around while braking.
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Honestly, that’s still sort of on you. You knew the car was along side of you down the straight, which means you should’ve been braking and slowing down more than usual going into the turn as to give the car who clearly had the advantage more room. You didn’t do this and instead went into the corner on a normal line and broke way too late for the situation. You also seemingly just continued on after the first bump and bumped the other driver a second time coming out of the corner.
 
Is anyone having problems with connecting to daily races? I've just been at the loading screen for three straight and not made it to race in any of them.
 
stpatty
Is anyone having problems with connecting to daily races? I've just been at the loading screen for three straight and not made it to race in any of them.
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Same happened to me (eu). 3 times everything ok but when lobby should move to forward from first table game decides to freeze and I'm back at the dailyes menu. Thank god didn't loose any dr points after gaining back to A+ with quite a work on that. Earlier today dailyes worked without problems but now last hour have been a mess. Time to go bed i quess.
 
kalakanto
Same happened to me (eu). 3 times everything ok but when lobby should move to forward from first table game decides to freeze and I'm back at the dailyes menu. Thank god didn't loose any dr points after gaining back to A+ with quite a work on that. Earlier today dailyes worked without problems but now last hour have been a mess. Time to go bed i quess.
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I quit the game and restarted it, just finished another race there. Weird.

Ed - and next time up the same problem happens again. Guess the game's telling me it's bed time.
 
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Groundfish
Sven,
Some would say he was by you before turn in (overtake complete)and trail braking after turning in and your contact turning into him might have caused the ping pong. Even if he did move outside the inner edge of the track by 2 feet that’s his choice since he was by you.
That’s a valid argument a person could make is all I’m sayin. I probably would have hit him too since it was a quick late move.
That’s a tough area on that track for trying to avoid trouble.
Im not sure the penalty system works as you say, maybe it does and maybe it doesn’t.
At any rate keep on keeping on!
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soundtiger95
Honestly, that’s still sort of on you. You knew the car was along side of you down the straight, which means you should’ve been braking and slowing down more than usual going into the turn as to give the car who clearly had the advantage more room. You didn’t do this and instead went into the corner on a normal line and broke way too late for the situation. You also seemingly just continued on after the first bump and bumped the other driver a second time coming out of the corner.
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I knew he was there, was already braking earlier, saw him take the apex which is why I briefly lifted off the brakes to keep going straight a bit longer to take the corner wide and slot in behind him. I did not turn in on him, he moved over on my line blocking me from extending my run for a wide entry instead of aiming for the apex. He is of course allowed to cut me off and go straight to take the corner wide which i was expecting, in which case i still had enough time to slow down and fall in behind. However I did not have enough time to react to him suddenly moving over into my line of travel while braking. Hence my initial argument, don't swerve in the braking zone.
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It's a right turn, I did not expect him to go left :)

You can argue since he was 1 foot ahead he can choose to do whatever he wants, yet common sense and the laws of physics dictate otherwise.

What second driver do you mean? @soundtiger95 There is a delay you know, between my eyes and my fingers :) I brake before the first bump and at the second bump when he bounces on the front car. However I did not stop to take insurance information.

Pick a line, don't suddenly step out in front of a moving vehicle :) Reaction time, lag, slip stream effect, no instant brakes all come into play.
 
TRL LIGHTNING
It's great how so many european players don't want to try out different cars for the Suzuka daily race event...
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Suzuka is usually the one with the most mixed leaderboard at the end of the day, when I went away on Tuesday it was fords and Porsche’s. All Porsche’s now?
 
soundtiger95
Honestly, that’s still sort of on you. You knew the car was along side of you down the straight, which means you should’ve been braking and slowing down more than usual going into the turn as to give the car who clearly had the advantage more room. You didn’t do this and instead went into the corner on a normal line and broke way too late for the situation. You also seemingly just continued on after the first bump and bumped the other driver a second time coming out of the corner.
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You don't brake or slow down early when running side by side with an overlapped car. That would be conceding the corner while you're winning which makes no sense. The other car only passes Sven because Sven braked and the other car braked later.

This barge pass is aggressive but fair as long as the other car stays on his inside line. He can swing wide on the exit but not at the apex. Swinging wide for the apex is just insane since it puts him right into Sven's braking line. Sven was braking the entire time during the pass, he has no traction left to steer without losing control of the car. I don't know what the other car expected Sven to do in this scenario.

Cutting wide in the brake zone before the apex like that is just reckless.
 
ThePhantomAli
Suzuka is usually the one with the most mixed leaderboard at the end of the day, when I went away on Tuesday it was fords and Porsche’s. All Porsche’s now?
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Nope. After i set my P1 time there with a 58.6 with the wrx there are 7 Ford GT's there (still have no idea why on earth they are using this car for this track) and 2 911's
 
ThePhantomAli
That’s a big deal, hence why I said I move out of the slipstream before braking. I watched a video of @kie25 doing it with expert precision, you’re bumper to bumper so move out of the slipstream before the braking zone and choose a different line.

Doesn’t help when the guy in front moves to block you and puts you back in a slipstream under braking :lol:
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I actually didn't know this, but it makes perfect sense as to why I struggle with racing close quarters sometimes. So I apologize again to anyone I may have tapped under braking :scared:. That being said I now have to adjust my talents accordingly :D.
 
I used the Ford GT for the qualifying and the Porsche for the race in the Daily Suzuka race.
 
So easy now to get red sr shown up when a car is chasing you and gives you a little, harmless nudge @DTG, especially trough the ' right hand 4 Sisters ' ...
 
Qyn
I actually didn't know this, but it makes perfect sense as to why I struggle with racing close quarters sometimes. So I apologize again to anyone I may have tapped under braking :scared:. That being said I now have to adjust my talents accordingly :D.
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It also gives the driver ahead something else to think about, “What’s this guy behind me doing? What line is he taking? Whoops I’ve missed my braking point while watching my mirror.”

Gotta get in their head!
 
TRL LIGHTNING
It's great how so many european players don't want to try out different cars for the Suzuka daily race event...
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Did an 01.3 qualy with the GT, didn't beat that anymore. Used both the Lexuses, Mustang, AMG, Porshe, EVO, NSX, bute nope.
The GT in race is awfull, only 1 race with it, knew enough.
The AMG is my preferd choice. Thoug, it's nip&tuck with the Lexus Prototype. But AMG feels more stable in Degna's
 
Doglove
So easy now to get red sr shown up when a car is chasing you and gives you a little, harmless nudge @DTG, especially trough the ' right hand 4 Sisters ' ...
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It's no different than before, except now it tells you when SR points are deducted. Actually it's back to the way it was before penalties were introduced. PD had only turned the notifications off, the deductions never changed.

It's interesting that it now shows the penalty time each car is carrying. Of course it remains to be seen how accurate that is and if they fixed communication of penalties between consoles. Has anyone seen a car with a supposed penalty finish without a red dot since the update?

I only did 2 sport races today, a record low for me. Looking at almost 8 million to gather for the 20 mil race car I switched to GT league for a bit of 'fun'. Doing 2:12 laps on Sarthe in the SRT Tomahawk was fun, ignoring half the track along the way and lapping every car twice. Same on the N24 although there I did stay on the track, sort of. 560+ kph, that's a respectable speed. GR.3 Suzuka, you're slow.

Red bull ring is ok'ish, short track, repetitive sharp corners, yet looks pretty. And a nice reminder of how crap the AI is, braking mid corner, suddenly increasing pace when you get near or pass. After a couple other races, less than 7 million to go. GT League at least makes a dent.
 
My latest race in Race A. Managed to grind my way to DR-A (32,266) and get as high as SR-S (94) before this race dropped me back to 90. My comeback from 46 (which actually went as low as 23 at one point) is nearly complete thanks to these little Honda shopping carts.



I’m totally not an “A” driver, but for whatever reasons, I can farm these low power cars like mad. I’ll end up losing everything tomorrow when I get back into Gr4 :lol:

I finding it a struggle to get the 15 consecutive clean races. Every time I go on a run, it gets broken by someone either rear ending me, or because of some big wreck that I have to avoid. And usually the best races with these cars, the ones that involve a little rubbing and bumping, everyone walks away with negative SRs, just for some good’ole fashioned argy-bargy.
 
twitcher
I really hope next week’s lineup of races has Gr4 at RBR in race C, that would awesome!!
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It's going to be a battle of the Veyron, all the V8 cars, Jag and Megane FF and possibly TT. The long straights and back section, will play into the fast cars.
 
05XR8
It's going to be a battle of the Veyron, all the V8 cars, Jag and Megane FF and possibly TT. The long straights and back section, will play into the fast cars.
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Does GTS simulate the different altitudes of the various tracks and the air density at each location? If yes, the turbo cars should have an advantage over anything NA. If not, it won’t matter. You’re right though, the long straights will favour the power cars, although breaking is just as key on that circuit in a race.
 
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