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I was leveling my second account on Race C at the Nürburgring 24h Layout the last days. To make it more challenging i started from back without setting a qualifying time. ;)
I don´t know if it´s faster to go for a 1- or No-Stop-Strategy but it´s easier to pass without pitting when theres traffic ahead.
The soft tires can make two laps and with fuel saving techniques it´s possible to reach the line, but tires are really down at the end and it feels like skating on ice, even more when the one-stoppers get closer and closer on last lap. :scared:

 
Race B in C/S group is getting dirtier and dirtier as the week progresses.

Started 8th on the grid, and slammed from behind on lap 1 at T1 & T2, giving me orange SR, and no penalty to the aggressor. A slight rub with the same aggressor in the esses as they cross the track into me (still on lap 1), gives me a 5 second penalty, and again nothing to the aggressor!

At the end of the race, I get marked down to a red A, the aggressor has a blue S.

There appears to be NO incentive to race clean on RBR. Lost 22 SR points in 4 Race B's!

Almost the exact same happened in the next race with me being the only way cars behind can get around corners. Maybe it's the lime green Corvette angering people?

I love this game, but PD need to sort their crap out!
 
Race B in C/S group is getting dirtier and dirtier as the week progresses.

Started 8th on the grid, and slammed from behind on lap 1 at T1 & T2, giving me orange SR, and no penalty to the aggressor. A slight rub with the same aggressor in the esses as they cross the track into me (still on lap 1), gives me a 5 second penalty, and again nothing to the aggressor!

At the end of the race, I get marked down to a red A, the aggressor has a blue S.

There appears to be NO incentive to race clean on RBR. Lost 22 SR points in 4 Race B's!

Almost the exact same happened in the next race with me being the only way cars behind can get around corners. Maybe it's the lime green Corvette angering people?

I love this game, but PD need to sort their crap out!

It's the same with the top rooms. I just watched a small part of a replay back and it was ridiculous what was going on. For instance one guy tried to pass three cars into T2 and hit the 3rd one of them and the car in front of that 3rd car too. Then there's the numerous attempts to barge past in non overtaking areas and the constant pushing going on. It's no wonder there's now D drivers in this race, all the other A and Bs will have lost their S SR rating due to all this.

I'd strongly suggest not running the Lambo unless you are quick too and starting very near the front. It's just no good in the middle of the pack, it's so hard to overtake Meganes and Audis, etc with them just running away on the straights and then another one of them will just smash into you from behind and go right on past only to then hold you up as well.

As has been well covered the T1 penalties are stupid too. Make a mistake and miss the apex and run wide and lose time and it's a penalty. Hit the inside kerbs and run way off and go faster is not, well until you take too much inside kerb lose more time and get a 2 second penalty. :lol: It does not really matter if you back off either after making a mistake it just takes like 0.2 off the penalty and you lose more than that backing off.

Also the penalty scrubbing under normal braking into T2 that works in qualifying does not work in the race for me (A+ DR) however it does for lower rated drivers. Why is this rubbish still in the game. :banghead:
 
After losing 2000 DR points at Dragon Trail last week, two races at RBR, a third from second on the grid and a second from pole has got me back up to around 9500.

 
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The penalty scrubbing for lower rated drivers is ridiculous, a race earlier this week i got divebombed from pole ( seriously the guy was about half a second back after t1 ), he got a penalty while i fought through the pack he just scrubbed it off by the time i got through to him it was the flag. No apology after or anything.

Cool to see you before @ASH32 - was nice to actually battle in t2 with someone and not just be worrying about being rammed off the track, your race pace was rapid too. Sorry about the slight cutting across you on the exit of t2 aswell, misjudged it by about 2 inches lol hope it didnt cost you too much
 
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I only did Race A today since I got some consistent and quicker Qualification laps („quicker“ in relation to my abilities). I was clean, the others weren‘t.

So to make a long story short: Nothing to see here, move along! :sick:

Edit: I can finally edit my posts so Pigems won‘t come after me anymore! (Y)

I am also not able to edit my posts.. May I ask how you got this issue rectified?
 
The penalty scrubbing for lower rated drivers is ridiculous, a race earlier this week i got divebombed from pole ( seriously the guy was about half a second back after t1 ), he got a penalty while i fought through the pack he just scrubbed it off by the time i got through to him it was the flag. No apology after or anything.

Cool to see you before @ASH32 - was nice to actually battle in t2 with someone and not just be worrying about being rammed off the track, your race pace was rapid too. Sorry about the slight cutting across you on the exit of t2 aswell, misjudged it by about 2 inches lol hope it didnt cost you too much

I was trying to cut back in right behind you and clipped you, probably more my fault than yours. It did cost me too, that Audi got past around the outside and spoiled any chance I had of staying with you. It took me all race to finally get on the inside of him up to T2 and get past. I knew I couldn't let that Audi past otherwise it'd spoil the potential race between us that's why I tried to basically stick to you but alas it didn't work out this time.

Still a much better race than the one a few races later where I made mistakes and got hit, a lot.:ouch:
 
Damn. I thought the "throw back to race select screen" bug had been fixed. I just got it again :(

Oh well, I've raced enough today. Plenty great close races and even a win!
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It was after I got bashed around a bit in the max SR.S room, easier room starting me 10th without qualifying. Still 17:10 total time is one of my best runs yet. @NosOsH was in that race as well. I only got to follow him for a little bit until he misjudged a corner. Good recovery later on! I'll race you longer next time.
Ya good job tho on that race
you beat at least one A+ driver.
Ya i messed that race a bit, first one of the day... too bad you disco ected next race as I went on to wi the next one, making no major mistakes against basically the same room... mext time
 
I am also not able to edit my posts.. May I ask how you got this issue rectified?

Post more, although you can't be far off now I wouldn't have thought. It's an intentional feature with an unannounced post limit to stops bots editing junk/links into their old posts or something like that.

Or you can simply ask a mod to carry out the edit you require until you reach the threshold and can then edit your posts. ;)
 
Blood boiling:) B/S to B/B in two races not my fault , got punted from behind and got 8sec penalty wtf thats silly ...
 
Post more, although you can't be far off now I wouldn't have thought. It's an intentional feature with an unannounced post limit to stops bots editing junk/links into their old posts or something like that.

Or you can simply ask a mod to carry out the edit you require until you reach the threshold and can then edit your posts. ;)

Ahh thanks ASH! I thought it must be something like that. Post count +1 :lol:

Edit: YAY I CAN EDIT!
 
Blood boiling:) B/S to B/B in two races not my fault , got punted from behind and got 8sec penalty wtf thats silly ...

Yes, lots of dirty drivers and some very strange penalties is how racing goes these days and I quick enough to avoid lots of it. I feel very sorry for the people who aren't and are not dirty and are trying to race clean, like the average A/B level driver. With these races it must be close to impossible.

My favourite penalty that I received today was the 5 second one I got for running straight into the back of a very slow Audi exiting T1 at the RBR, he got a massive speed boost of course and shot off up the straight so that was clearly penalty worthy. :lol:
 
Yes, lots of dirty drivers and some very strange penalties is how racing goes these days and I quick enough to avoid lots of it. I feel very sorry for the people who aren't and are not dirty and are trying to race clean, like the average A/B level driver. With these races it must be close to impossible.

My favourite penalty that I received today was the 5 second one I got for running straight into the back of a very slow Audi exiting T1 at the RBR, he got a massive speed boost of course and shot off up the straight so that was clearly penalty worthy. :lol:

Ha yes I love those. How can my exit be so much faster I almost punt a car off at corner exit. Luckily he stayed on the road, just SR Down for me and of course he took my exit speed lol. It's one of those things racing through the back, I usually have to brake at corner exit on the tight N24 track. Yet when a gap opens it's a quick and safe pass.
 
Had an interesting end to one of my Nurburgring races yesterday:


Managed a 5th today in the race I did today though. Got my time down to 8:08.6 in the Atenza, it's still way off the pace but closer than the 25s I'm usually off by.
 
There is something about the cars behind you on the N24, when they are faster they do try to pass you by going through you, that doesn't work, so they will rub and punt you over and over again.. when that fails they go for the impossible pass on the impossible to pass track, instead of:

1: Keeping their car on the track so they don't have to deal with a slow player like me
2: Set a real qualifying time.
3: Setup a pass where it is possible like a real driver should..
4: Accept that as long as you are behind the car in front, you are the slow one.

Not that i am complaining, 3 good races so far, as usual the rewards comes to the one driver that keeps his patience and car on the track. Some players are on the limit all the time, on the N24 that requires both luck and skills. I am there when either runs out :-)
 
People keep telling me to qualify, so I did, in reverse. That's kinda tricky and very slow as my car won't go over 108 kph in reverse. It's also very happy to turn back around, yet with careful coaxing it's not that hard. Hardly any corners require slowing down in reverse.

I didn't make it in time though, had to get my kids off the bus (is why I didn't enter the next race) so I parked at the start of the straight. I finished my run when we all got back. Then I figured 333 is a lucky number so I'll wait for that at the finish. However I wanted to enter the next race and made it with only 10 seconds to spare after setting a qualifying time of 33:04.something. There, I qualified.
 
Well, I didn't expect to be 1 second faster in the RCZ, than my Mustang. Holy snaps! 1:37.908 beat 38.944.

Just finished the race. Did a 37.729. A 37.016 was FL. Started 6th got up to 4th. Received a 5 second penalty and finished 6th. Oh well.
 
People keep telling me to qualify, so I did, in reverse. That's kinda tricky and very slow as my car won't go over 108 kph in reverse. It's also very happy to turn back around, yet with careful coaxing it's not that hard. Hardly any corners require slowing down in reverse.

I didn't make it in time though, had to get my kids off the bus (is why I didn't enter the next race) so I parked at the start of the straight. I finished my run when we all got back. Then I figured 333 is a lucky number so I'll wait for that at the finish. However I wanted to enter the next race and made it with only 10 seconds to spare after setting a qualifying time of 33:04.something. There, I qualified.

:lol::lol::lol:

Well you are now certain to start ahead of all the non qualifiers at least.

Well, I didn't expect to be 1 second faster in the RCZ, than my Mustang. Holy snaps! 1:37.908 beat 38.944.

Just finished the race. Did a 37.729. A 37.016 was FL. Started 6th got up to 4th. Received a 5 second penalty and finished 6th. Oh well.

Yes I've seen an odd person use the RCZ and set decent enough times.

Cars that I've seen be at least competitive are the Lambo (obviously), Audi, Lancer, RCZ and Megane. They could be others but no one has been near the front in any of the others in my races. ;)
 
Daily Race C, 04:30 Room
Car Used: BMW Z4 GT3 '11

Pole position is mine (8:07.xxx, thank you Ford GT LM on Softs). Into T1 we go...and some guy in a GT-R spun me around, dropping me from first to last (10th or 9th), but then more carnage occured and I took advantage of it. Onto the Nordschleife and I'm on a hunt for an RSR and an Atenza on my Medium tyres, planning a 1-stop, while those guys were running on Softs. Interestingly, I was faster than them throughout the Nords, but at the same time it wasn't surprising as I did the Stage 8-8 mission a lot back in the day. The RSR made an error as I found out exiting Steilstrecke and jumped him into 2nd, now with just the Taiwanese in the Atenza left. Into the pits and he had 41% fuel left, while I had 46% left on my tank. Switch to a fresh set of Mediums and off to some more hunting, as a no-stopper in a 2017 RC F jumps up into the lead. With me jumping the Atenza out of the pits and the fact that he didn't set a qualy time, the gap from me to him is 9 seconds. Fast forward to Galgenkopf and he made a massive error, allowing the 1-stop to work.

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Daily Race C, 05:00 Room
Car Used: Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-AMG GT3

Pole again, but this time into T1 and I decided to do a fakeout against a divebombing GT-R, but this led to a 2016 RC F Proto on Softs to take the lead, while I was on Hards doing a no-stop using short-shifting and fuel mapping, but the guy in the RC F, because he is in Softs, forgets the memo about no-stopping and pitted, allowing me to build a 12-second gap and win with only 6 cars left (grid starts with 11 cars). Oh and it's my 30th Sport Mode win.
 
Daily Race C, 04:30 Room
Car Used: BMW Z4 GT3 '11

Pole position is mine (8:07.xxx, thank you Ford GT LM on Softs). Into T1 we go...and some guy in a GT-R spun me around, dropping me from first to last (10th or 9th), but then more carnage occured and I took advantage of it. Onto the Nordschleife and I'm on a hunt for an RSR and an Atenza on my Medium tyres, planning a 1-stop, while those guys were running on Softs. Interestingly, I was faster than them throughout the Nords, but at the same time it wasn't surprising as I did the Stage 8-8 mission a lot back in the day. The RSR made an error as I found out exiting Steilstrecke and jumped him into 2nd, now with just the Taiwanese in the Atenza left. Into the pits and he had 41% fuel left, while I had 46% left on my tank. Switch to a fresh set of Mediums and off to some more hunting, as a no-stopper in a 2017 RC F jumps up into the lead. With me jumping the Atenza out of the pits and the fact that he didn't set a qualy time, the gap from me to him is 9 seconds. Fast forward to Galgenkopf and he made a massive error, allowing the 1-stop to work.

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Daily Race C, 05:00 Room
Car Used: Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-AMG GT3

Pole again, but this time into T1 and I decided to do a fakeout against a divebombing GT-R, but this led to a 2016 RC F Proto on Softs to take the lead, while I was on Hards doing a no-stop using short-shifting and fuel mapping, but the guy in the RC F, because he is in Softs, forgets the memo about no-stopping and pitted, allowing me to build a 12-second gap and win with only 6 cars left (grid starts with 11 cars). Oh and it's my 30th Sport Mode win.

Won't have a chance to try C till the weekend. Is no-stop the Meta?
 
Won't have a chance to try C till the weekend. Is no-stop the Meta?
Depends on the car and the SoF. Those reports are for races where the SoF is a bit funny with me being the only DR A driver, and in the no-stop race there is even a DR E driver starting from the back.
 
:lol::lol::lol:
Well you are now certain to start ahead of all the non qualifiers at least.

I was anyway as my DR is back up to 40K, so I figured it couldn't hurt :)

Finally a race where I got to start last, 19th. So close to 20th, still 4 days left for that milestone. It was a very mixed field. One car started one lap behind (blue flag race) and the car in front of me screwed up the corner before the start straight, so I passed the start line in 17th (well 18th). After clearing the debris field of T1 I was in 13th already. However it was the fast guys up front that made the mess and one was in a hurry to get back through. So he crashed into my back at Warsteiner while I was negotiating an accident scene, then bumped me into the wall at the entry of the Nordschleife. Some people.

The rest of the race went great, finished 5th, no penalties, unfortunately -1 SR from the bumps. Mr Ass made it back to 3rd and started cursing at another driver post race. True gentleman. I entered the next race to restore my 98 SR disaster to be greeted by the good old back to race select screen bug. Time for dinner.
 
However it was the fast guys up front that made the mess and one was in a hurry to get back through. So he crashed into my back at Warsteiner while I was negotiating an accident scene, then bumped me into the wall at the entry of the Nordschleife. Some people.

I'm sorry, but it looked like you overreacted while ''negociating that accident scene''. You were almost stopped on the racing line while the others that crashed were far away on the grass already. That threw me a 5 sec penalty. So yes, I was in a hurry to get back to 3rd place. You braked so early that I had to avoid you and pass on the entry of Nordschleife that is pretty narrow, so my corner exit made me push you into the wall with the back of my car.
 
Where exactly are you getting time penalties? I've only managed to pick up some small penalties in the NGP section of the track in the two fast chicanes. Going 2 wide through those is tricky.

At least in the '17 Lexus softs work fine for a lap. They still have better grip than hards on a no stop run, yet they do have a less grip in the last third of the track. Since pretty much everyone runs softs now it doesn't really matter.

I haven't tried the 911 yet. I like the fuel economy of the Lexus. ...

One section would be Hatzenbach I suspect. There are real delays for me before I know I received a penalty. You come off the F1 track and do a continuing left turn, then you are on the Nordschleife, and you then do a tight left turn in first or second gear, then a short straight bit to an important right hand curve, where if you get to the left before the right hand corner, and you clip the right hand apex the higher speed you can get around there the better and you will carry the speed down to the next left right kink sort of ... I think I crossed the curb at that next left right bit because I felt I had lost a bit by not being clean there .... later I got the penalty. Otherwise I did not cross curbs except for where the curb is paved for going wide, which surely could not be a penalty.

I've also got one I think for crossing the curbing at Flugplatz ... when you leave those first twisty bits of the Nordschliefe, entering the high speed part you have a right then left kink and then you go to the high speed sections. So you leave the kink behind and full power you go and there is a time check as you go under something I think, and you have a high speed right hander coming ... after that high speed right hander, I try not to back off there at the right hander high speed curve but I have feathered for a micro second there (not sure which is fastest because the lifting of the throttle can change the car's direction) but I have also gone through there without backing off ... and I did in the beginning of the race and I then went marginally across the left curbing after that right hand high speed curve ... but not by much ... and I picked up I think a 5 second penalty for doing so. And I thought I did the corner perfectly at the time.

I will try the softs and pay attention to the tyre wear.

The mediums though - I am not much slower in practice on the hards curiously, but in the race (I have not had many though) the cars around me out accelerate me and that must be tyre grip I reckon ...

I was in second place last race coming towards the end of the F1 circuit on the first lap on mediums, having started in 4th or 5th place, and the pole sitter who was an S or an A+ who had an 8:05 time was coming up behind me, he had got hit in the first corner at the end of the F1 starting Pitstop straight... so I was approaching the end of the F1 circuit in 2nd place on mediums, things looked good for me. The right curve/corner which leads onto the fairly long straight which leads onto the left turn before the Nordschleife - the fast driver came off that right hand corner fast and was gaining on me in a Supra on that straight ... I pulled over and just let him slowly edge by ... I sure paid for that though, because some way behind, the 4th guy did not brake for the next sharp left hander corner leading onto the Nordschleife, he hit me very hard and I went into the red and white bollards on the right side of that entrance to the track ... I had to reverse out, and by the time I got back onto the track I was 16th. I think I also got a warning and a 5 second time penalty for driving too fast ... sheesh I just had thrown the race away ... on softs I would have been 2nd and 1.5 seconds further up the track.

I think I will turn my power down to half way after the first corner, and that should save the tyres. I'll have TC on 2 and that should save the tyres. Which is the tyre to watch out for?

The front left seems the most critical but on the mediums I had a fourth sown up but went into the sand at the Schwalbenschwanz which is the left hander before the final Karussel ... that must have been the right tyres I reckon ... darn that hurt I had someone close behind me and the section before that which is fast and winding but flat, I can go full bore there without lifting, the Porsche is amazing there, and I opened up a big gap there ... but i forgot about temperance and I was afraid of him behind me on the long straight, so I went for the corner hard and I guess the tyre may have had some wear there, who knows ... I got stuck in the sand and finished way way back ... with softs but I would have to be careful there I reckon...

I've not had a clean race and not had many either, and I love the Nordschleife ... its a bit frustrating.
 
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I'm sorry, but it looked like you overreacted while ''negociating that accident scene''. You were almost stopped on the racing line while the others that crashed were far away on the grass already. That threw me a 5 sec penalty. So yes, I was in a hurry to get back to 3rd place. You braked so early that I had to avoid you and pass on the entry of Nordschleife that is pretty narrow, so my corner exit made me push you into the wall with the back of my car.

I was right next to a car re-entering the track on the inside, there was plenty of room on the outside to go around. I purposefully slowed down not to swerve into traffic or hit the ghost. Anyway for next time, I brake early for that corner.

One section would be Hatzenbach I suspect. There are real delays for me before I know I received a penalty. You come off the F1 track and do a continuing left turn, then you are on the Nordschleife, and you then do a tight left turn in first or second gear, then a short straight bit to an important right hand curve, where if you get to the left and clip the right hand apex the higher speed you can get around there you carry the speed down to the next left right kink sort of ... I think I crossed the curb there and lost a bit of time I thought .... later I got the penalty. I've also got on I think for crossing the curbing at Flugplatz ... when you leave those first twisty bits of the Nordschliefe, you have a right left kink and then you go to high speed. There is a time check as you go under something I think and you have a high speed right hander coming ... after that high speed right hander, I try not to back off there but I have feathered for a micro second there (not sure which is fastest because the lifting of the throttle can change the car's direction) but I have also gone through there without backing off ... but I have gone across the left curbing but not by much ... and I picked up I think a 5 second penalty for doing so. And I thought I did the corner perfectly at the time.

I don't dare using kerbs in that section, too easy to spin or lose traction, no good for tires either. I brake early through there :) You don't need to lift for the slight right on softs, unless you touch an edge.
 
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I don't dare using kerbs in that section, too easy to spin or lose traction, no good for tires either. I brake early through there :) You don't need to lift for the slight right on softs, unless you touch an edge.

Yep I guess I have to re-adjust and keep it all on the bitumen or on the grey run-off bits later on. Yep the curbs sure can cause wheel spin but why does the game penalise you when you actually have lost time and driven legally. There are sections later on where IMO you need to marginally cut the curbing on the inside of the corner ... I've not yet hand a penalty. In theory too crossing over those curbs on inside of the corner should not hurt tyre wear as the weight is mostly on the outside tyres not the inside ones. But who knows what the game does ...
 
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Yep I guess I have to re-adjust and keep it all on the bitumen or on the grey run-off bits later on. Yep the curbs sure can cause wheel spin but why does the game penalise you when you actually have lost time and driven legally. There are sections later one where IMO you need to marginally cut the curbing on the inside of the corner ... I've not yet hand a penalty. In theory too crossing over those curbs on inside of the corner should not hurt tyre wear as the weight is mostly on the outside tyres not the inside ones. But who knows what the game does ...

I've had 3 clean race bonusses so far out of many races. That section is unforgiving while in others you can almost entirely leave the road. It does seem you get a penalty sooner when you lose time lol. It feels faster not to use the kerbs yet it's hard to tell. I'm usually behind another car, brake a little early, stick to the road accelerating through the corner, then have to lift at corner exit not to make contact. Also cause it seems when I drive right behind through the corner I have less traction than the car in front and always come out a little wider. Which is how I usually lose pursuers, drive right to the edge and the car following has a high chance to go slightly too wide while keeping pace.

The difference is probably that the car in front is already accelerating creating more grip, while due to the draft effect the car behind accelerates slightly later not to make contact.

I seem to abuse my tires pretty evenly on the track. I doubt I could make a second lap on softs. Next race is up!

That's my tire wear in the Lexus after 1 lap
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Why do you get penalty when hit from the rear and the guy go's off with nothing ,think i will ask for a refund !
Was b/s lost that in two races C/A then back to B/S now down to B/B ..
Idiot races sorry can't call them racers....
 
Sometimes you have to get over yourself and just race. I stuck with my .38.1 qual time and entered up.
First race I was matched into a weak room starting fourth. All was fine, I was up into second by lap 2 and pushing exit on turn 4 I curb ride and literally get 1/3 of the rr off!
“This is not good Mav this is not good!”
Ended up on the infield grass, near last. I was unable to complete more than one overtake though. Finished bad. I was behind the pack of slower drivers and it’s just not worth it to race them hard. Penalties flying all over... Ok, I thought I will try again even though I just lost 1000 dr.
This time I am matched into a fast room with some a and s.
I begin in the 8 spot. Things are fine and clean and I slowly work up to seventh. I am pressuring sixth. Apparently my slow qual time has nothing to do with a solid racing pace on this track. So her I am last lap approaching the braking zone turn 1 and he’s ghosted? I didn’t realize he was burning penalty time.
So I am getting closer and by the approach to the hairpin he ghosts again right in middle of road. There’s no obvious line I can take and I have to slow because I don’t want to smash into an unghosting car!
So because of this guy slowing me cars behind are getting closer. I exit hairpin and check behind there’s a car way back. I take my normal line wide under braking. As I am trying to turn in I am getting shoved wider and have to slam the brakes!?
Boom! A Brazilian dirty driver just tried to punt me! I’m on him, and seriously considering evil, but the damn Huracan that had been behind me from earlier as a fair opportunity and got an exit run.
I think what happened to the gentleman drivers behind me was that this dirty guy came out sweet after some contact in I think turn one in which he may have barged by. Not sure, not gonna check the replay.
So anyways, I have to slow more to avoid this mess and now at end of straight people are trying to run 3 wide on me! I’ve literally gone sixth to tenth in less than half a lap. So I late trail it very hard squealing it the whole way and get back eight by the line!
Were These 2 races fun? I dunno. I do know with my only 200 gained dr from the last I’m done. Down 800 dr sr 99.
This track is not one of my favorites. For this track the corvette is a great car imo. Very hard to punt luckily for me or I’d be down more sr.
I must say everyone in the last race was high quality except 2. One the guy burning penalties effectively brake checking me to heck with his ghosting. The dirty sob Brazilian never would have caught up if not for him.
So those two ruined a great whole lobby.
We need penalty zones ASAP!!!
 
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