"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Melbourne Park]

Race C any qualifying tips. Can't beat 2:07.212 in the Huracan brake bias -1? And I've watched the top 10s already.

I don't get the Hurican - I think its designed for a D-Pad. On my wheel, it feels more like an SUV to drive. In a Peugeot I have 9 straight laps and got 5 under 2:06, so in qualifying in that car mid 2:05's are easy. Shame that Pug car is a lot slower in the race and in my hands it burns the front tyres too. In the Hurican its tough for me to squeeze under 2:07 qualifying the Hurican. And the Hurican seems to understeer more than a FWD. In frustration, I watched the top guy's qualifying - and their trick seems to be chucking the car sideways with the outside front wheel lit up in red, then balancing the car there and then off they smoothly go from good throttle control. I need to learn how to radically upset the car to turn it sideways - i think by severe throttle change coupled with the same for steering. At corners 1, 3, 7 especially. I've not done much GR.4 driving so its been time to learn. I tried the brakes on -5 and +5 and weirdly for a mid engined car -5 gave my best times. For an understeering car normally +2 or more is better IMO. The Hurican is a puzzle to me still but its fast in the race and in qualifying too if you know what one is doing, which clearly I don't.

If you want a 4WD there is also the Lancer but not sure how it goes in the race,. I haven't tried the GTR either. Good luck.

 

[6BK]

@Melbourne Park: Interesting observation on the Huracan. Last year on the DS4 the Huracan was my "go to" Gr4 car. This year on the wheel I find it slippery (for want of a more vague an less imaginative word) and have unfortunately found myself clocking better times on every track with the Megane Gr4, TT and Scirocco which has consigned me to horrible FF racing. Fine, the FF cars were performing I thought, but on Nurby GP this week the Lancer and GT-R also did better for me (with the very limited testing I've been able to fit in this week). Last week at Fuji on T3 the long sweeping right hander the Huracan's were sliding off the track exactly as @Melbourne Park says in a manner I'd expect more from a FF car. When I watched the top 10 times they had the skill to slide the car around the entire track. Great on a time trail or a race where everyone else is doing the same thing and has the race skill. In DR-B/C where you have a fast Megane or TT on our outside but able to hold a better line and then you start to slide off line into them it causes mayhem. Huracans falling off the track on Fuji T3 was one of the most common points for DR down last week for me. I thought they had done something with the handling on one of the updates but perhaps some cars are just better suited to the pad or wheel.

 

[Dairyworker]

Had good fun ast night even though my racing was not that great. Tbh i was more than a little drunk by the end of the night. Started off doing 2.13s in race and ended the night running 216s... lol

@Pigems was in almost all my races last night and faired better than i, i believe. In one race he had a good battle with my buddy (sonofgod666) i hope he raced you clean. I take no responsibility for his behaviour lol

 

[Invisigoth]

Round and around and around we go . Another craptastic night at the ring. I seem to be 2s away from my original time on monday with just about every car. I started P10/17 on a mixed grid.

Auto drive dumps me on the exit of the corner and off I go. I had a better than 1s gap for T1. Made it through there but it was messy with two other cars forming a wall in front of me stopping me from stomping the go go pedal. I got knocked around a bit but was generally hanging in there. I was push passed a few times and had a Cayman turn in on me. He spin and I got an orange SR and a penalty. Entered the pits p10, exited P14.

I had managed to gain a few places when people pitted next lap, but coming up to the final chicane lap 8 I could hear a Japanese driver chanting "ka me ha me ha....", so I declared a state of emergency, built a wall around my SLS, and got slammed off the track as not 1 but two Hurricanes barged through me. Final lap and some poor guy in a GT-R lost it a bit on the high speed section before said chicane, went off track, rotated a bit and then had me plough into him as his car chose that moment to de-cloak getting back on the track . I crossed P11 but finished P14.

SR stayed the same, DR dropped 600. I'm now below 1000 for the first time in over 2 months. Another day above DR1... for now .

 

[Flash_Sweden]

This all makes me glad that my other half is also an online gamer. The only discussion we had, was about my wheel.

"As long as the thing it's mounted to can be folded, and stored if we need extra space/have visitors, you can have whatever you want."

True love, ladies, and gentlemen. True love.

That sounds great! It doesn’t beat being single, but it’s close I’ve had my rig replacing my living room table for ~2 weeks now. No one here to complain. Well, I guess my son could, but being a 10 year old boy and having a simrig available whenever he want (almost) doesn’t seem to bother him

 

[Pigems]

Had good fun ast night even though my racing was not that great. Tbh i was more than a little drunk by the end of the night. Started off doing 2.13s in race and ended the night running 216s... lol

@Pigems was in almost all my races last night and faired better than i, i believe. In one race he had a good battle with my buddy (sonofgod666) i hope he raced you clean. I take no responsibility for his behaviour lol

I had a blast racing with you last night man and in all honestly, I was pretty ripped by the end of the night myself lol. My last two races I started on pole and lost both to guys with Q laps slower than me. It was 2am by then and my laps were In the 2:13/14’s by then so I decided to call it a night.

I didn’t know that was your buddy, we had a couple battles last night and he was good and clean as far as I remember, I hope I was too! Lol

I hope to see you out there again today, that was fun,

 

[Dairyworker]

@Pigems yeah man, life long real world friend. Good guy and always clean unless he thinks you took him out on purpose lol.

I hope to get some racing in but have gta car meets with my crew on weekends and not sure if I'll get home early enough to squeeze some racing in first, but imma try. And i might be able to get on tonight, wife permitting lol

 

[Voodoovaj]

That's not entirely accurate. I've been on DR 1, starting the race in last or second last place, and assigned door #1. The guys at the back don't always get the highest number . I've seen a lot of people suggest it's a prediction of where it thinks you should finish. Kinda optimistic ne?

I was assuming it filled the groups from front to back, but I don't know how it actually does it. It may even fill the groups based on whom is chosen first, building the field around that first person.

Bottom line though, the number is still your position in the driver's list and nothing more.

 

[Famine]

I was assuming it filled the groups from front to back, but I don't know how it actually does it.

It's your rank by raw DR score, sorted alphabetically (so 76 is better than 75,000).

 

[sturk0167]

Disconnected from network while race is sitting on the image saying Final and the race details.

Will this cause a reduction in my DR/SR or not since I haven't actually quit out of the race?

Bad morning so far, all DR has gone thanks to quality racers and SR was on verge of A rank but managed
to get a good race and got it back to 96 so one crisis averted...

I got disconnected 2 days ago, while I was leading the race on lap 1. I don't remember the exact number, but it looked like it took away about 1,500 points from my DR.

 

[GT Fan Driver]

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[SpaceMaN47y0]

Got back to S rating only to have the dirtiest race in days... guy with almost no connection pinballing the whole field. Spun me on lap 3 (race B) and ended up finishing last. He got 7th though, so thats fair. Lost about 800 DR so its almost nonexistent again. Only took me all day yesterday practicing and getting a 6th 4th and 5th. Try again!

Edit: yay he's in this race too

Post race edit: went better, a lot less bumping. Finished 8th, not bad with multiple bad turns on my part. Gained a little DR back too. Quick break then try again.

 

[VolkswagenX]

Race C no stop in the Cayman with short shifting is an easy win

Anymore tips on how to do this? I tried this to times. First time I had to refuel because I was at .4 on the 8th lap. Second time I tried to no stop and ran out of fuel on the final lap on the straight before the final chicane. I started in 15th place but was in 3rd just before I ran out of fuel.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Doh, door again. I pulled over into the pits, yet it's race B, so hit pause, disqualified for too long pause. Oh well. I'm waiting for the damage to update now, race should be over in a minute....

Race B is fun, just because it's the only fast one available this week. Good track to experiment with MT, still not sure what the best time to shift is. For example a lot of cars seem to have the best acceleration while the indicator is already flashing, yet while going up hill or cornering it might slowly creep up giving you a lot of time when to shift. In the left right after the roller coaster hairpin the 911 gets up 190 kph in the left hander. You can still pull through to 202 in 3rd. Do you let it creep up closer to 200 or shift to 4th and start pulling through from 190.

Results in, -1000 DR, -4 SR. It was only lap 1. That 1000 took 6 races to gain...

 

[nuu1212]

Door numbers are in order of DR points for the people in the race are they not? Highest points gets #1 and lowest points gets the last number I believe.

Myth definitely busted! (little bit late, maybe)
I was DR B in a race with 4 other Bs and 14 Ds. Got #11.
Maybe #11 was for finishing 1st and fastest lap, that might make sense...

Maybe myth is true for FIA...

 

[Famine]

Myth definitely busted!

Not a myth, and not busted:

It's your rank by raw DR score, sorted alphabetically (so 76 is better than 75,000).

B is 10,000 to 29,999
D is 1 to 3,999

Ranked alphabetically, all scores of 3,000 and above come before 29,999, as do all scores of 300 to 999, 30-99 and 3-9, so roughly 40% of all D drivers will rank higher than any possible B driver. The remaining B and D drivers will be all mixed up - 29, then 28,000, then 2,800, and so on.

It's also possible to have a much higher score and still have a lower rank, due to the limiting factor of SR.

 

[esoxhntr]

ran a few laps of race A qualifying this morning and hit a 2:08.9xx optimal time. this saturday may just be wasted chasing a lap like that.

 

[sturk0167]

@Oshawa-Joe, I raced a guy yesterday, who was really fast, and whipped me in race A. Never seen him before. He has a 2:08.8 Q time. About 15 minutes later, he sent me a message, inviting me to join the SNAIL racing league. I suppose he may invite everybody he meets. I checked out their thread and saw your name on the drivers list. It looks like they have a ton of rules. Not sure if I'd fit in with that group.

Do you like it better than daily sport races?

 

[SpaceMaN47y0]

Lowered my race B QT 2 seconds to 2.01.6 before that last race. Q6 finish 7. Good racing. 7 seconds behind winner is easily the closest I've come all week.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

I've never heard of that. Definitely sounds strange. I can't understand why it would be faster.

@Oshawa-Joe, I raced a guy yesterday, who was really fast, and whipped me in race A. Never seen him before. He has a 2:08.8 Q time. About 15 minutes later, he sent me a message, inviting me to join the SNAIL racing league. I suppose he may invite everybody he meets. I checked out their thread and saw your name on the drivers list. It looks like they have a ton of rules. Not sure if I'd fit in with that group.

Do you like it better than daily sport races?

It's far better than sport mode. Much cleaner and theres a race incident reporting system of you feel the stewards need to look at something that happened and it can result in lost points. It's not as serious as it sounds. Great bunch of guys that just want to have good, clean fun racing. There are several practice sessions thru the week and the D1 drivers are very helpful in coaching those that ask.

Highly recommend SNAIL to anyone wanting to take their GT Sport to another level. It's the closest thing I've ever found to real racing and has helped me improve a lot.

You would fit in. Many guys use the DS4, including some D1 drivers. And there are 5 divisions, so everyone is matched with guys with similar skill level.

There are 2 SNAIL D1 drivers in the top 10 Daily A. Only because the others haven't done laps lol. @GumballCGT is a former SNAIL driver.

 

[sturk0167]

It's far better than sport mode. Much cleaner and theres a race incident reporting system of you feel the stewards need to look at something that happened and it can result in lost points. It's not as serious as it sounds. Great bunch of guys that just want to have good, clean fun racing. There are several practice sessions thru the week and the D1 drivers are very helpful in coaching those that ask.

Highly recommend SNAIL to anyone wanting to take their GT Sport to another level. It's the closest thing I've ever found to real racing and has helped me improve a lot.

You would fit in. Many guys use the DS4, including some D1 drivers. And there are 5 divisions, so everyone is matched with guys with similar skill level.

There are 2 SNAIL D1 drivers in the top 10 Daily A. Only because the others haven't done laps lol. @GumballCGT is a former SNAIL driver.

Thanks for the reply. It sounds like a pretty good deal, but I've never tried to race with no driving aids, at all. My driving method is very antiquated, and I don't think it would work. I will try practicing without them, though. It will probably look about like this:

Elliott-sadler-via-the-caution-clock-on-twitter

• sturk0167
• Feb 16, 2019

Thank you for the info.

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

Thanks for the reply. It sounds like a pretty good deal, but I've never tried to race with no driving aids, at all. My driving method is very antiquated, and I don't think it would work. I will try practicing without them, though. It will probably look about like this:

Elliott-sadler-via-the-caution-clock-on-twitter

• sturk0167
• Feb 16, 2019

Thank you for the info.

It probably will look like that, but only for a day. Then you'll adapt, get better, and quicker.

And by 5 divisions, its literally 5 lobbys on Sunday race night. Each division has it's own lobby. If you qualify in D5, you can race within yourself.

The drivers list is revised monthly for promotion and relegation. If you improve and do well enough, at some point there could be a promotion to a higher division. I've seen guys start in D5 and end up in D2.

 

[Steer]

Enjoyed races B and C today. After a few weeks of seeminly constant dirty racing, my faith in GT Sport mode has been restored. Some nice clean races. DR and SR rising nicely, and I am fairly happy with the Qualy times I have set in both.

Picked up a win on Race C after starting 3rd, but the front two started panel bashing through turns 1 and 2, allowing me to drive straight past them and build a gap, and won by 14 seconds in the end, which is without doubt my best ever winning magin.

Next race on race B, initially due to start 8th or 9th. Then practice starts, and EVERYONE in front of me got disconnected before the practice, leaving me on pole and just 4 other guys in the race. Never seen that before. Managed to hold off the small pack through turns 1 and 2, and then built up a gap and that was the second win of the day.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Race B was great this morning, progressively getting faster as more fast guys showed up. Which also meant finishing lower and lower for me. Last race I went my fastest, down to 1:57.9 best lap, rest low 1:58 and only finished 11th. At 9 am ish I finished 3rd with fastest lap of 1:59 and the rest over 2:00 stuck in traffic. Good race craft so far today, most incidents seem to be more lag related than bad driving and of course the occasional spin.

More racing in the late afternoon and evening, sun is out, it's only -4c at the moment, time to head out!

 

[Oshawa-Joe]

@JLBowler
Is TC still an available option in SNAIL D5?

 

[Voodoovaj]

It's your rank by raw DR score, sorted alphabetically (so 76 is better than 75,000).

Makes sense.

 

[O604]

Had a chance to do 2 at Race A this morning. It was very clean. Cool drivers.

SR 99. My QT is only 2:14.5. Starting 6th/7th ish. Finishing 1 up/1 down ish.

I need to stop crashing. And I need 5 seconds.

 

[JLBowler]

@JLBowler
Is TC still an available option in SNAIL D5?

Yes it is, but only in the lowest division.

 

[Melbourne Park]

@Melbourne Park: Interesting observation on the Huracan. Last year on the DS4 the Huracan was my "go to" Gr4 car. This year on the wheel I find it slippery (for want of a more vague an less imaginative word) and have unfortunately found myself clocking better times on every track with the Megane Gr4, TT and Scirocco which has consigned me to horrible FF racing. ..

I have raced mostly FF cars this week in race C. I've raced both Meganes, tried the Porsche though which was lovely to steer, and have done most now in the Peugeot. Its FF too but it burns its tyres pretty quickly with me driving it. I tried TC on at the chicane and also on corners 1 to 4, but found the tyres' wear was no different. So TC 1 does not assist tyre wear. It should. In end I just left it off, and pitted. I switched to the Peugeot because I typically could keep away from the cars behind me, as its fast on the straights and on all the corners except in my hands the fast two corners entering the final straight which leads to the tight chicane at NurbF1.

For me being fast in the first corners was really important. In one race I got belted up in a pack, I did not enjoy it. I got better too with trail braking getting me to the Apex every time entering that last straight, and also trail braking at the 180 degree corner. But doing so did not change the front tyre wear. It seems in my hands the Peugeot fronts are just going to wear out - lap 4 is slower and lap 5 is slower again. Laps are 2:07s to low 2:08s. Nothing like my continual 2:057s in practice in the Peugeot, which made me want another car to race in.

I think I should have just driven the Porsche as its one car that can be driven quickly and pit or can make the whole race without pitting, its torque is low down, and it wears the tyres lightly. I drove it but got easily beaten by Hurricanes, two of them. I went back and looked at the winner in my first race of the week, he won in a Porsche - and his tyre wear was quite even. In mine, my fronts were worn a bit at the end of the race, but my rears had no wear at all. So my technique is different. I thought that Aussie who won had run a 2:05 in the race not stopping in the Porsche, but when I watched the replay, in fact he had not. I thought I was a lot slower than him, but in fact the 2:05 was from another car (I think a Porsche too that stopped at the end of lap 5).

My best in practicing the Hurican was a 2:064, but I was quite inconsistent. I think I get angry or frustrated, and over drive. Then get depressed and loose my finesse. In the Hurican such mood swings hurt I reckon. In the Porsche, its a joy to drive IMO so my mind stays level.

I had not realised the technique of those Hurican guys was sliding the car ... its actually a revelation to me. Thanks. I thought they were even using the hand braking the car on some of the corners, to break the tail free - or using the rally technique of left right left with the steering to break the rear loose and therefor quickly change the direction of the car, which I have difficulty doing. For me I found that very quickly turning the wheel with the throttle simultaneously completely off, would turn the car. Then I just sat there and waited until the car had turned enough and then applied throttle. Any trail braking combine with throttle just killed the speed. In the end I gave up with the car.

The weird thing is that the Hurican should be like a de-powered Audi GR.3 car, which I love and I'm quick in that car. The Hurican has very heavy steering on my wheel, and the wheel requires a heap of turning too, vastly different to the Audi. Plus he Audi turns by any means (throttle power on or off, steering wheel - anyway you want) , but the Hurican in my hands feels dead. Strangely when I gave up and drove light and easy I got quicker in it, but I was too inconsistent - I have no idea what it would b like in the race though. Others seem quick in the Hurican.

 

[sturk0167]

DT seaside will be better, just got to dodge the Bus stop no lift heroes

I'm looking forward to racing there. The one that always seems to get me is when you're following someone through the bus stop that hits the wall and doesn't ghost by the time you get to them.