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You might be upset by the Japanese bias in race tracks. But consider Australians since the update - the Japanese always get 5 green bars, deep bright green. The Australians only get three yellow - at best. I've had several races where the players are shown, with Australians having 5 green bars; then when the race starts, the Australians have at best 3 yellow. My last race I started with half a red bar ... and it was like that all race. Absolutely horrible. then I tested with the games speed checker - it said its a terrific connection. I can't race my main account because I get killed trying to race the Japanese competitors, who seem to be the only ones in Asia who get 5 green bars. Outrageous PD. Outrageous. This upgrade is very bad.
 
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You might be upset by the Japanese bias in race tracks. But consider Australians since the update - the Japanese always get 5 green bars, deep bright green. The Australians only get three yellow - at best. I've had several races where the players are shown, with Australians having 5 green bars; then when the race starts, the Australians have at best 3 yellow. My last race I started with half a red bar ... and it was like that all race. Absolutely horrible. then I tested with the games speed checker - it said its a terrific connection. I can't race my main account because I get killed trying to race the Japanese competitors, who seem to be the only ones in Asia who get 5 green bars. Outrageous PD. Outrageous. This upgrade is very bad.
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The connection test - which isn't a "speed" test, although bandwidth is within the parameters tested - simply tells you how good your connection to the outside world is. Nothing you do in your house and nothing your ISP does will ever overcome the fact that you're physically thousands of miles from the servers in Japan (in FIA) or the other drivers in Asia.

Your latency to your local server might be 25ms, but to Tokyo (and back) it'll be 250ms or more, because loads of geography divided by the speed of light is loads of time.
 
So Autopolis this next week?

It's pretty dumb they make a new track but don't add the circuit experience until a future update.
 
Was not in the mood for racing after work8ng a hlf day yesterday, so i just did some laps. I got my time at the ring under 8.10. barely!

Gonna jump into a race now and see how it goes, i forgot it was clock change last night, ****, this probably wont be as clean as i thought it would probably be...

Edit: Starting 2 with @Sven Jurgens right behind me.....

So i let him by the first chanche i had, first race of 5he day and still a little sleepy so i didn't want to be his issue. That livery looks great up close though lol. I fell back to 4 and had a good fight... actually considering what is normally said, I'll rephrase, i ended up racing two Brazilians for 4. Good clean competition one of them bumped me slighlty in a turn and waited to give me back position (not sure i have ever seen a green flag do that) but i made a tired guy mistake not long after and ended up alone in 8....
 
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To the lonely Mountain, we'll ride in the gathering storm! Until we get, our long forgotten pole! Final pilgrimage to the holy land that is Mount Panorama :p. Sadly I'm still waiting for that pole. I started with my Supra qualifying time from a few days ago P6/18 on a mixed DR/C-D grid. Was pretty happy with that. I tried a few of the cars I had left that had the right outfit. In the end I decided to wrap my arse in fibreglass, drive a 'vette! I was the only one on the grid. Actually all week I think whatever car I drove I was the only one :crazy:.

Auto drive mercifully lets me go in a strait line fractions of a second from exiting Murray's. I was right on the tail of the lead group and finding I was a bit quicker for the first lap, or the guys in front were so busy blocking it was holding me up. By the second lap I was in P4 and kinda digging the Genral's Gr3 offering. Coming into The Chase the guy in front slowed down so much that instead of giving it a bootfull, I was still on the brakes. At that particular speed the rears lock up :banghead:. Onto the grass spinning my tyres and I drop from P4 to P8 :rolleyes:.

I get going again and I'm having to deal with dirty tyres. I'm on the tail of P7 and doing well for another lap... until Murray's. I catch too much kerb and launch sideways. Air doesn't give you anywhere near as good grip as tarmac :dunce:. I hit the wall but no penalty. the guy in P9 is too far behind to loose a place as I get going again. Managed to catch him and pass on Conrod. I'm on lap 4, and the fuel warning light is flashing 0.9 laps left :scared:. I pit and change to fresh hards. 5 laps to go and a full tank is 4.9 laps :eek:.

I left the pits P10 and on the heels of P9. Having to be very patient in the section from the Cutting to Forrest elbow, finally getting better drive onto Conrod and into P8! I made up a couple of more places when people pitted so back where I started... P6. again on the final lap I found myself closing in on the guys in front, but not enough lap left to catch them. There was an 11s gap behind me when I crossed.

My favorite car for this weekly was the Beetle. It had speed, handled well, did well on fuel and tyres. I really didn't do it justice. Even though I got the fastest qualifying time with the Supra, I could never get comfortable with it. The 4C was fairly easy, but just didn't have the grunt. The Mustang was all kinds of wrong. It made me feel dirty. The Corvette was a nice ride. I made it through the Esses, Dipper and Forest elbow without hitting the walls.

So.. despite several small contacts trying to avoid contact, SR 99. DR went up another 500. Not a bad way to finish the week :dopey:. Another day above DR 1 :D.
 
After a frustrating week I can say I'm happy with the end result. Many frustrating first laps and I dropped back to DR C at the beginning of the week to ending the week higher than where I started (started the week at 12k and ended at 15k). I forgot to save my fastest lap (2:04.021), so here are some video's of my second best lap of 2:04.081. (posting because I like to share)


 
Yesterday evening was pretty good due to low volume of south americans
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Clean streak of 6, immediately broken this morning when starting between a bunch of South Americans. There's one on my punt on sight list already today. I made a clean pass on the straight after his swerving antics, then he bumped me into the grass while I was simple driving in a straight line and the game didn't even give him a penalty for it and he won the race. Pacifist approach doesn't work. I've had it with these people. First punt attempt failed as I of course do get a penalty. PD just loves laggy connections. Not in the mood today for dirty drivers. One more punt and I'l get rewarded with pole positions anyway... PD wants this, so here it comes.
 
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Yesterday evening was pretty good due to low volume of south americans
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Clean streak of 6, immediately broken this morning when starting between a bunch of South Americans. There's one on my punt on sight list already today. I made a clean pass on the straight after his swerving antics, then he bumped me into the grass while I was simple driving in a straight line and the game didn't even give him a penalty for it and he won the race. Pacifist approach doesn't work. I've had it with these people. First punt attempt failed as I of course do get a penalty. PD just loves laggy connections. Not in the mood today for dirty drivers. One more punt and I'l get rewarded with pole positions anyway... PD wants this, so here it comes.
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My last two nurburgring wins were also lost by being punted off after the straight before the finish. Must be a popular spot.
 
Famine
The connection test - which isn't a "speed" test, although bandwidth is within the parameters tested - simply tells you how good your connection to the outside world is. Nothing you do in your house and nothing your ISP does will ever overcome the fact that you're physically thousands of miles from the servers in Japan (in FIA) or the other drivers in Asia.

Your latency to your local server might be 25ms, but to Tokyo (and back) it'll be 250ms or more, because loads of geography divided by the speed of light is loads of time.
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Wow, so you are defending a major drop in service?

Prior to the last update, 5 green bars was the average connection for myself. I reckon PD have moved the server to Wakkanai. And now, there is just the one server. Its not worth paying for a service that did work, but now does not. It's just not possible to drive near the limit with just one bar ... but I guess you don't know what that feels like.

But also, your explanation does not explain what is happening to others. Hong Kong is also getting crap - in fact, EVERY NATON except Japan is not achieving 5 bar anymore. We're almost all on three bars and not green - but Japan are always 5 deep green.

FoxMulder
My last two nurburgring wins were also lost by being punted off after the straight before the finish. Must be a popular spot.
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Yes, its a great spot - my first "A" grade race this week at the Nord (I got my new account to "A" grade) I picked up a 5 second before corner one, from two separate shunts from behind!
 
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Another race with stupid sleepy guy mistakes....

Went off the track in two places i never do, so i think I'll skip the next one and make another coffee. At least when i did go off, including right infront of @Sven Jurgens i was able to control my track re-entry and not mess up anyone elses race...
 
So I've had quite a good week considering Mt. Panorama is a track I have generally avoided in the past as I was never very comfortable going round it in the Mini never mind a McLaren F1 GTR. I've had a few wins and a load of second and third places along with a couple of complete disasters and have raised my DR up 5000pts so only about another 5000 to reach A rating.

I've posted one of my races from last night, I had a good battle with fellow McLaren driver 'Bass--Design'. Started on pole and finished there but only after some good fuel saving. My style of driving here seems to suit the fuel as I'm carrying a heck of a lot more at the pits than most people while trying to run consistent 2.05's in the race. Made a considerable leap from the pits in this race. Usually average 25-30% at the end of lap 5 when others are doing 10-15%. Qualifying was 2.02.5 and I am very happy with that. Could of maybe have got it into the 20.1's but what the point pushing it. I feel i'm losing a bit braking down towards the dipper but it is the only place that it'll go wrong for me so naturally get on the brakes a tad early. First lap into the dipper has been an issue for me all week so it's like driving miss daisy down there.



I'll not be going near Autopolis next week as it's one of those tracks that'll need a lot of practice. Having had a few laps of it i'm not really feeling it so may not even bother driving it at all. There is a few tracks in the game i'll not touch.
 
beegentoo
I also tried my luck with Ausuckolis. It‘s what‘s called a Mickey-Mouse-track in Germany: Slow, Quick, Blind corners, Slippery cornes — I don‘t like it. My best lap after endless scrubbing and sliding was a 1:44. I don‘t like it. Since it‘s a race C i see an upcoming bump-fest. This track doesn‘t have any natural rhythm and so I see a huge speed difference between drivers in all the corners. I really don‘t like it.
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Those echo my thoughts. The track isn't free-flowing enough for me to find it enjoyable with its almost never-ending twists and turns. Out of the GR2 cars I tried, I prefer the Xanavi and clocked a 1:43 after a few test runs but it's not really competitive enough to race. I might just take a backseat with this one or race at the back without qualifying to see the inevitable spectacles of everyone bumping and crashing into each other.
 
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But also, your explanation does not explain what is happening to others. Hong Kong is also getting crap - in fact, EVERY NATON except Japan is not achieving 5 bar anymore. We're almost all on three bars and not green - but Japan are always 5 deep green.
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Well, here in Germany/EMEA I have not experienced any negative effects to the connection after the upgrade. Every race I joined had the usual single Player with a bad connection who then got kicked before race started. On the other hand, the disconnect bug after one successful race is gone (at least for me).
 
Idk about the dailies but in New York with a wired connection I never have any issues on my end.
 
I finally got pole position, nicked 1 inch of grass, had to let three cars through. Then touched the wall slightly and got 5 sec penalty and had to let another car through. One of those days. Still finished 3rd. I don't get the shortcut penalties. I can't leave the road anywhere without getting a penalty yet I see people grinding walls, going wide, completely outside the track, not losing time, certainly not positions, and nothing. PD be consistent.


mynameis66
How many races do you need to do in a row to get a clean race achievement?
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You only need 1 clean race to get a clean race ;)
The max achievement is 15 in a row.
 
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Wow, so you are defending a major drop in service?
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Do you see me saying that anywhere?

No. I'm pointing out that trying to send information 8,000 miles takes more time than sending it 800 miles.
Melbourne Park
Prior to the last update, 5 green bars was the average connection for myself. I reckon PD have moved the server to Wakkanai. And now, there is just the one server.
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GT Sport uses dedicated servers... for the FIA events only. For the rest of the time, it's peer-to-peer, which means everyone's console is the server. Data doesn't head to central servers, it goes from each console to each of the other consoles in the lobby.

Prior to the de-splitting of the regions, you were connecting to other players in the Australia/New Zealand region only. Now you're connecting with players all across Asia again. Now, Australia is a pretty big place and almost everyone lives around the outside of it, so from time to time you'll have connected to players in Perth, Darwin and (because New Zealand) Auckland all at the same time. But now you're connecting to those players and people in Beijing, Fukugawa and Bangkok. That's a lot of distance - even without considering the route the internet pipes take:

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Look at that one pipe up from Sydney to Tokyo, via Guam. It's called AJC and it's over 8,000 miles long. That's a data round trip without any consideration of latency within junctions of 133ms - and it's not just GT Sport players sending data to each other, but all telecommunications, including business transactions and television, trying to squeeze up that 5Tbps tube.

Now have a look at the colossal infrastructure across the South China Sea, from Japan to South Korea, China and Singapore. One of the most direct - APCN2 - is actually two pipes arranged as a loop, so data has two paths, each measuring less than 6,000 miles. That's a data round trip of 100ms.

Why's that relevant? Well, you have all these south-east Asian players with about a tenth of a second latency (lag) to each other. Then a single Australian joins in and he has a 33% larger latency (lag)... to all of them. So yeah, he has the worst connection. Of course he does - he's 8,000 miles away from everyone else and all 15 of their consoles now have to send data to him. It works the other way round too - 15 Australians with one player from south-east Asia and he'll be the one dragging everyone down.
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Its not worth paying for a service that did work, but now does not. It just not possible to drive near the limit with jut one bar ... but i guess you don't know what that feels like.
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Ah yes, because I can't possibly have US and Japanese accounts, and Europe is tiny and certainly doesn't include players from Iceland, the Azores, Russia (well known for its compact nature) and Turkey...


Your problem is geography. It's not your connection, it's not your ISP, it's not whatever service you say you're paying for (don't know what that is; I don't pay anything extra for GT Sport), it's simply trying to send and receive data over 8,000 miles away.
 
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Looks like i am done racing for now.... went out on a good one though. Started pole in front of @Sven Jurgens and was having a great race till near the end, i dont know names lol, but i went just a scoch wide and the car got squirrelly on me. I honestly thought omg i am gonna ruin both are races right here, no!!!!! But sven made it by me clean, which was probably no small feat, considering for some reason i had a ONE RED BAR CONNECTION wtf. I managed to hold on to second at least. Tbh i felt like sven was letting me stay in front and/or i hope i wasn't driving like one of those people you can't get past cuse they don't have predictable or proper behavior. I honestly feel like i am still learning how to race properly...
 
Tried Autopolis the first night we got updated in the 86 gr4. Loved it. Tried Autopolis today in some gr2. Not into it.
Whoever posted that 36 before, that was some nice drivin.
I notice the right hand drive gr2 are bad for me in cockpit view going clockwise like unusable on an unfamiliar track. Switched to hood. I’m still awful. Those cars on anew track are just too much for me.
I think I’ll try to learn in a 2000gt or 86gr4 if I even do.
The Nurb car this week is fun there, I’m tryin to learn that a bit better, it’s still tough for me to get in a clean lap, much less a competitive time. Interesting car with the all wheel drive.
The more I try more cars in this game the more respect I have for folks that can drive many of them well. Plus, it seems like black magic to me for people to seemingly learn tracks as quickly as they do.
Takes me forever.
Have fun.
 
I’ve got a practice room open for a race c right now if anyone’s interested, tire wear and fuel consumption are on to match tomorrow race. This is the Medium tires and fuel after 5 laps on TCS 2. I’d say the fuel will go 12 laps but the tires will be the determining factor, one stop in mediums or no stop on hards, I’m think one stop on mediums will be the most common plan.
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Best lap on mediums so far is 1:42.2. Gonna turn fuel/tires off now and see if I can shave that down.
 
Groundfish
Tried Autopolis the first night we got updated in the 86 gr4. Loved it. Tried Autopolis today in some gr2. Not into it.
Whoever posted that 36 before, that was some nice drivin.
I notice the right hand drive gr2 are bad for me in cockpit view going clockwise like unusable on an unfamiliar track. Switched to hood. I’m still awful. Those cars on anew track are just too much for me.
I think I’ll try to learn in a 2000gt or 86gr4 if I even do.
The Nurb car this week is fun there, I’m tryin to learn that a bit better, it’s still tough for me to get in a clean lap, much less a competitive time. Interesting car with the all wheel drive.
The more I try more cars in this game the more respect I have for folks that can drive many of them well. Plus, it seems like black magic to me for people to seemingly learn tracks as quickly as they do.
Takes me forever.
Have fun.
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I know what you mean. I tried the new track the other day in the new Supra, and it seemed like a good place to race. Tried it today in my Gr.2 Lexus, and of course it's like a totally different track. A little discouraging to see guys posting 1:35 laps already. I'm just in the 1:39s, so far, with Bop on.

Then again, those guys could be full of crap. Maybe they used super soft tires, and maxed the horsepower, downforce, weight reduction, tuning, etc. I guess we'll see some real times, tomorrow. 👍
 
Oh yeah, I managed to beat Bloombe :)
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It must have been his first race of the day, he was taking plenty grass along the way, yet no penalties. It seemed like I lost him, 1.6 sec behind going to the straight, then he messed up the entry onto the straight. Painful to watch, lucky break for me. I finished in 8:36.
 
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