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MIE1992
I don't know how much coding/networking changes it'd take to make matchmaking to favor DR, but I feel like less people overall would struggle with the trophies for wins/poles if it were changed to that. Especially since your SR can only deviate so much from your DR.

My suggestion would be to prioritize DR matching (as I'd wager there'd be a decent amount of other players with their SR capped at 99), then if the matchmaking runs out of players with 99 SR, then it moves onto players with 98 SR, then 97 SR, etc. But before matching players based on SR, it'd begin with searching by DR, starting with searching within a +/- 1000 DR point range using the player's DR as the starting point, and if necessary, it then would continue expanding (e.g. +/- 2000 DR, then +/- 3000 DR, etc.) until the field is relatively full.
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If the matching favoured DR instead there would be even less incentive to drive clean then there is now, if the game matched SR S drivers with SR A’s, B’s, C’s and D’s anyways because of their DR, then why even bother getting to SR S in the first place?

On another note, I reported a guy months ago to PlayStation because of his in game actions and the fact that he started messging me after the race, and they actually did something, I have no idea what or when, but it’s more than you get from reporting a player to PD, so maybe this is the better way to go in these instances. :)
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I did my first laps on this game in about 3 months (stopped simracing for like a month and a half) and did some Daily Race B time trials. Best I could is 1:31.931 which is not exactly the time I was aiming for but it is still a solid time. I don't think I'm going to do any races because I'm only planning to play this game only one more time this week so I'll probably focus on the time trials again.
 
Optimal at Interlagos is down to a low 1:31.5, but goddamn every time I'm on PB pace I mess up at Is-That-Glock-Corner. Ugh! :lol:

Also, why did some 10k messages get purged? :odd:
 
Voodoovaj
BB set to -3 and the R8 is like butter :D
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Hmmm ... I have run a few laps at Interlagos (not racing due to the poor internet connections since the March upgrade) but I know the R8 very well but around Interlagos its a wild beast in my hands! If I touch red/white striped part of the track edge under power, the car goes crazy. I tried the F1 McLaren BMW, and it was a piece of cake ... if I'd run more laps, I think my 1:33.2 would be very consistent - it felt like a good race car. The R8 showed an optimal for the laps I did of 1:32.24, but my time was 1:32.74, the problem being that I feel nervous at first chicane corners 1 & 2 at the end of the starting main straight, and then at Descida do Lago (the next corners ie #3) I am terrified before entering the corner and I am not able to push through it in the R8. It seems one should put the right rear tyre onto the solid green on the right side of the track on exit and under power, but if one has the power on and I am on the striped curbing I spear off .... time might fix it but for a race I would have to ensure I was black track all the time and that might not be possible or it might be slow. I would be scared of the McLaren in the race, but you say its like butter!!! Are you using TC because while that might fix my issues I am now quite slow and don't like the feel with TC turned on.
 
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Invisigoth
Welcome to DR/C, please enjoy your stay :p. I have 1.5k to spend before my tour comes to an end. Day 0 visiting DR/C :dopey:.
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Been reading your posts more or less regularly... Have you considered using just 2 or 3 cars ? Perhaps you would get used to handling and stay permanently in Dr c?
My experience is that usually I cannot use the cars in top 10 because I suppose they are more "optimized" for wheel users...
My main problem with those cars is that the back steps out and I lose heaps of time... And if I correct BB bias I get understeer which is also bad.
GT-R, RC-F and Lancer are very easy predictable cars to drive even with ds4 and can be very very fast depending on the track
 
Melbourne Park
Hmmm ... I have run a few laps at Interlagos (not racing due to the poor internet connections since the March upgrade) but I know the R8 very well but around Interlagos its a wild beast in my hands! If I touch red/white striped part of the track edge under power, the car goes crazy. I tried the F1 McLaren BMW, and it was a piece of cake ... if I'd run more laps, I think my 1:33.2 would be very consistent - it felt like a good race car. The R8 showed an optimal for the laps I did of 1:32.24, but my time was 1:32.74, the problem being that I feel nervous at first chicane corners 1 & 2 at the end of the starting main straight, and then at Descida do Lago (the next corners ie #3) I am terrified before entering the corner and I am not able to push through it in the R8. It seems one should put the right rear tyre onto the solid green on the right side of the track on exit and under power, but if one has the power on and I am on the striped curbing I spear off .... time might fix it but for a race I would have to ensure I was black track all the time and that might not be possible or it might be slow. I would be scared of the McLaren in the race, but you say its like butter!!! Are you using TC because while that might fix my issues I am now quite slow and don't like the feel with TC turned on.
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I never use the aids (aside from ABS). I don't like any of them.

My current Q time with the R8 is 1:32.116. I've been on a 1:31 pace but I tend to blow the last corner and lose time. I tried the McLaren, but I found the grip wasn't there for a good time. Consistent 1:33's won't do. The R8 can do consistent 1:32's

I use the cones marker sand they work very well at Interlagos. I tend to leave it in 5th gear on the main straight unless I am in the draft. When you brake for the chicane, grab a max of one gear than grab 3rd and 2nd once you've scrubbed off speed. go over the curbing on 1 and point toward the curbing on 2. You should be able to go through it all in 2nd. Grab 3rd for turn three. Stay tight to the inside because the camber on that part of the track will keep you from going wide. Hold 5th down the second straight and 4, 3, 2 into the left. If you go over the curbing on the left, it should leave you in the middle of the track where you can just giv'r, Hold 4th up the hill, then 3rd around the rights and down to first for the tight right. I only use first there to get the rear around and then I quickly grab 2nd again for that downhill left. Again, stay tight and the camber of the corner will swing you around like the nurb carousel.

I like the loose cars though. That said, I don't find the R8 any worse than the 911..but that -3 is crucial at Interlagos. I've used this car with less forward bias, but I find that I need the extra stability at Interlagos.

EDIT: Technically speaking, BB 0 is fastest but it's not like -2 or -1 work better. Try -3 and if you like it, try 0. It's a little more loose though.

absbrain
My experience is that usually I cannot use the cars in top 10 because I suppose they are more "optimized" for wheel users...
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Naw, they all work fine with a controller.

But, getting out of the lower ranks is all about laps. The more you lap, the more you know the track, and the faster and more consistent you become. I do half decent because GTS is quite literally a hobby unto itself for me. I rarely play any other game and, if I have the evening to myself, it's usually GT time.

As I mentioned above, corner camber is a big factor in lap times too. If you are off line, you miss that camber at the apex, and you lose a LOT of time.
 
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MIE1992
I don't know how much coding/networking changes it'd take to make matchmaking to favor DR, but I feel like less people overall would struggle with the trophies for wins/poles if it were changed to that. Especially since your SR can only deviate so much from your DR.

My suggestion would be to prioritize DR matching (as I'd wager there'd be a decent amount of other players with their SR capped at 99), then if the matchmaking runs out of players with 99 SR, then it moves onto players with 98 SR, then 97 SR, etc. But before matching players based on SR, it'd begin with searching by DR, starting with searching within a +/- 1000 DR point range using the player's DR as the starting point, and if necessary, it then would continue expanding (e.g. +/- 2000 DR, then +/- 3000 DR, etc.) until the field is relatively full.
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Matchmaking starts from the top with the 90-99 SR range. All entries in that range get sorted on DR to fill the rooms. However often it can't make a full room with all 90-99 SR. Next step is to increase the SR range to 80, then 70 etc until the room is full.
What's left over goes into the next room with lower SR range and so the process continues until match making is complete. There is some balancing at the end not to have 1 player left over, the rooms aren't always full. Likely as simple as 105 entries, 20 per race, need 6 rooms, 3 rooms of 18 and 3 of 17.

So what happens when you have 23 90-99 SR entries. The bottom 3 go into the next room which goes from 80 to 89. The problem with this is that the DR.D drivers with 99 SR will get matched with A+ drivers with 89 SR.

Matchmaking could be improved by using larger SR ranges to begin with. It would make more sense to take the whole range for each letter as a starting point instead of just 10 points. Of course that will only move the problem, and the lowest DR SR.S players will be put in the SR.A room where likely there is another A/A driver on pole.

There aren't enough people playing for proper matchmaking on SR and DR. Perhaps in Europe it still works, in NA it's increasingly rare not to have A+ to D DR in the SR.S rooms.

Anyway why bother with SR.S, SR.C is much cleaner!
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15 positions gained penalty free. There were those that tried to ram me yet they ghosted right through me into the wall :lol: I had to slow down every lap to wait for the straight to pass, but at least no (successful) punting.
 
MIE1992
I don't know how much coding/networking changes it'd take to make matchmaking to favor DR, but I feel like less people overall would struggle with the trophies for wins/poles if it were changed to that. Especially since your SR can only deviate so much from your DR.

My suggestion would be to prioritize DR matching (as I'd wager there'd be a decent amount of other players with their SR capped at 99), then if the matchmaking runs out of players with 99 SR, then it moves onto players with 98 SR, then 97 SR, etc. But before matching players based on SR, it'd begin with searching by DR, starting with searching within a +/- 1000 DR point range using the player's DR as the starting point, and if necessary, it then would continue expanding (e.g. +/- 2000 DR, then +/- 3000 DR, etc.) until the field is relatively full.
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Here's some old data from a GT stats webpage that was resurrected recently. I say old because it looks like it the data was possibly sampled when DR-S was actually DR-A+? (I could be wrong). Anyway, it shows the relationship between the number of drivers by DR level and SR level.

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I believe these are global stats. There will be a large number of inactive profiles, and once you take into account the 3 regions, the time of day you race, and which race you're doing A, B or C, the numbers is small, especially at DR-A and above.

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The numbers really thin out when combining both DR and SR!
 
Disconnected mid race, another reason why ratings have no meaning. One disconnect costs more than x good races, where x increases quickly with higher DR. I wandered into SR.Bump which isn't clean anyway. Perhaps the disconnect will put me back in SR.Clean.
 
Famine
They haven't. I'll explain all soon - but well spotted! :D
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So...

Generally speaking, we're not huge fans of giant threads. They're often quite off-putting for new users, who'll be faced with a 986-page long thread and not know where to start (because on most forums, people who don't read every letter in a 27,000-post thread get flamed into ash).

This hasn't really been a problem with this thread, but I kind of made it a problem a few weeks ago. That's when we started writing a Daily Race article for the news page each week. As you probably know, we plumb the news articles directly into the forums, so that an article's comments section is a thread. When it's an existing thread, we just point the article at it.

That means I've been creating articles which instantly show 27,000+ comments, which is patently absurd.

An easy solution to both would be to lock this thread and allow the articles to create new threads each week, shunting all Daily Race discussion for a week into a new thread. But that wouldn't be a very satisfactory way of doing it - this thread has people who practically live in it, and I'd wager have it bookmarked and a thread alert set up for it. They'd need to find a new thread every week, and change their alerts.

Instead, over the last couple of hours, I've moved every post except those made for Daily Races starting on Mondays in the current month over to a new archive thread. That's left this thread untouched - all your alerts and bookmarks will still function just fine for this thread.

From this point on, each time there's a new set of Daily Races I'll archive the posts relating to the oldest set in this thread (I may in fact move more yet - possibly just leaving the current set and the set before it). That should keep the thread fresh and active, and looking less imposing and ridiculous when linked from a news article :D
 
Famine
So...

Generally speaking, we're not huge fans of giant threads. They're often quite off-putting for new users, who'll be faced with a 986-page long thread and not know where to start (because on most forums, people who don't read every letter in a 27,000-post thread get flamed into ash).

This hasn't really been a problem with this thread, but I kind of made it a problem a few weeks ago. That's when we started writing a Daily Race article for the news page each week. As you probably know, we plumb the news articles directly into the forums, so that an article's comments section is a thread. When it's an existing thread, we just point the article at it.

That means I've been creating articles which instantly show 27,000+ comments, which is patently absurd.

An easy solution to both would be to lock this thread and allow the articles to create new threads each week, shunting all Daily Race discussion for a week into a new thread. But that wouldn't be a very satisfactory way of doing it - this thread has people who practically live in it, and I'd wager have it bookmarked and a thread alert set up for it. They'd need to find a new thread every week, and change their alerts.

Instead, over the last couple of hours, I've moved every post except those made for Daily Races starting on Mondays in the current month over to a new archive thread. That's left this thread untouched - all your alerts and bookmarks will still function just fine for this thread.

From this point on, each time there's a new set of Daily Races I'll archive the posts relating to the oldest set in this thread (I may in fact move more yet - possibly just leaving the current set and the set before it). That should keep the thread fresh and active, and looking less imposing and ridiculous when linked from a news article :D
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Great idea, and thank you for all your hard work around here. :cheers:

Wow, you’ve got it down under 50 pages now, very cool. :)
 
Sven Jurgens
Matchmaking starts from the top with the 90-99 SR range. All entries in that range get sorted on DR to fill the rooms. However often it can't make a full room with all 90-99 SR. Next step is to increase the SR range to 80, then 70 etc until the room is full.
What's left over goes into the next room with lower SR range and so the process continues until match making is complete. There is some balancing at the end not to have 1 player left over, the rooms aren't always full. Likely as simple as 105 entries, 20 per race, need 6 rooms, 3 rooms of 18 and 3 of 17.

So what happens when you have 23 90-99 SR entries. The bottom 3 go into the next room which goes from 80 to 89. The problem with this is that the DR.D drivers with 99 SR will get matched with A+ drivers with 89 SR.

Matchmaking could be improved by using larger SR ranges to begin with. It would make more sense to take the whole range for each letter as a starting point instead of just 10 points. Of course that will only move the problem, and the lowest DR SR.S players will be put in the SR.A room where likely there is another A/A driver on pole.

There aren't enough people playing for proper matchmaking on SR and DR. Perhaps in Europe it still works, in NA it's increasingly rare not to have A+ to D DR in the SR.S rooms.

Anyway why bother with SR.S, SR.C is much cleaner!
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15 positions gained penalty free. There were those that tried to ram me yet they ghosted right through me into the wall :lol: I had to slow down every lap to wait for the straight to pass, but at least no (successful) punting.
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Never gonna happen but they should split the races into classes, for example at Tokyo this week, let DR A racers choose GR3 cars, DR B choose GR4, grid all the GR3 in front. Race for your “class” win. Only gain/lose DR from your class.

I seem maxed at DR B SR S and it gets kind of old knowing two or three S/S A/S are gonna drive away from me.

I know, git gud and all, but never gonna invest the time it really takes
 
I am from formula un.
Today, I raced the Gt sport apres mon travail. I finished on the podium. I am restoring my sr, almost A now.
I have found since Lundi that the races have been of high quality.
Been running low 33 in race. Last race started on pole, and beat myself with mistakes the final lap late allowing a bug to pass final corner at Lagos. Great move by him, clean and I didn’t cover it well enough. He got inside before I had a chance.
The waters fine gents. Jump in!
 
I swore off daily races this year, going FIA exclusive - but I realized I would benefit from more racing practice so decided to run my alt account in dailies.

I'm barely out of my DR-E phase, still trying to climb up to SR-S. last night in the Tokyo race I was going about my business, avoiding major incidents and suddenly I got a disqualification warning. Whaaaa? Started tip-toeing around the track, conceding every position to avoid contact; came up to someone exiting the pits who was ghosted, I guess they unghosted and lightly brushed me - I got booted. Big DR and SR hit. Is this what it's like now? It confirms I'm right not to touch dailies with my main account I guess.
 
Groundfish
I am from formula un.
Today, I raced the Gt sport apres mon travail. I finished on the podium. I am restoring my sr, almost A now.
I have found since Lundi that the races have been of high quality.
Been running low 33 in race. Last race started on pole, and beat myself with mistakes the final lap late allowing a bug to pass final corner at Lagos. Great move by him, clean and I didn’t cover it well enough. He got inside before I had a chance.
The waters fine gents. Jump in!
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....Well, that escalated quickly. 👍👍👍👍👍

Famine
this thread has people who practically live in it
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Groundfish
I am from formula un.
Today, I raced the Gt sport apres mon travail. I finished on the podium. I am restoring my sr, almost A now.
I have found since Lundi that the races have been of high quality.
Been running low 33 in race. Last race started on pole, and beat myself with mistakes the final lap late allowing a bug to pass final corner at Lagos. Great move by him, clean and I didn’t cover it well enough. He got inside before I had a chance.
The waters fine gents. Jump in!
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Bravo, well played Man. :bowdown: :lol: :cheers:

@sturk0167 I hope you like Crepes man. :scared: :lol:
 
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First time using the Lexus (Emily Frey). What took me so long?? First lap I bettered my time.

Can someone please point me in the direction re: brake balance? Need some info
 
I guess I'm staying in SR.C. In SR.B clean passes are awarded with a penalty since people simply drive into you to bounce off into a wall. However I'm perfecting my game craft. This fool was swerving and blocking right from the final turn not happy with my better exit. The penalty system works great to deal with these.
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Tap the swerve blocker right before the finish, then the wall, enjoy your 3 sec penalty.

Here's a longer clip how to deal with a bump ghost pass.

He tries to fight back, too bad I know the penalty system better. I guess this is how the game is meant to be played :lol:

Driving through traffic is plenty fun. The few faulty penalties that do slip through haven't yet made a difference at the finish. So easy to burn them before the line. PD, you made a great game of tag!

@sturk0167 Come join the waters on Tokyo tomorrow. What should I set my SR at to see you on the track?
 
Managed to take 5 seconds off my lap time at Tokyo, since we were last there in Gr.4. City circuits really aren't my strong suit. But, I'm happy with 2:08.858 considering I've only done 10 laps here all week.

Replay shows me where I need to turn in earlier, get closer to walls, etc. So, I'll try and get into 2:07.xxx tomorrow.
 
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