"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Blacki2k2]

Monza makes no fun today, but it is a pretty nice track. Run 3 races now, starting from 9, 5 and 3 position... and everytime at the first chicane they do a mass crash. No chance here, even in A/S... otherwise it would be really great races

 

[ASH32]

Monza makes no fun today, but it is a pretty nice track. Run 3 races now, starting from 9, 5 and 3 position... and everytime at the first chicane they do a mass crash. No chance here, even in A/S... otherwise it would be really great races

It was always going to be the case sadly, only takes one aggressive driver and everyone is having contact as you are pushed into the car/s in front. I've seen people not even bother to brake, one impact into the side door of a poor unsuspecting driver could have killed him if it was real life, the impact was that bad and he went for second to almost last in one corner through no fault of his own. This is S safety too, can't imagine what lower ones are like.

 

[Robben]

FFS

 

[Blacki2k2]

It was always going to be the case sadly, only takes one aggressive driver and everyone is having contact as you are pushed into the car/s in front. I've seen people not even bother to brake, one impact into the side door of a poor unsuspecting driver could have killed him if it was real life, the impact was that bad and he went for second to almost last in one corner through no fault of his own. This is S safety too, can't imagine what lower ones are like.

Yh, this is a ten round race, the best strategy is, dont overtake in the first chicane to get 1 place +. I see many videos from private races, they drive after the start in a lane, no one overtakes, done the first round and if the chance is there, they overtake safety. But in the sports mode, this is never possible in A/s or lower

 

[baldgye]

I wish we could spectate races in Sport mode, I'd like to see some of the races in my league/rating group just so I can get an idea of what I'm in for

 

[ShiftingGears]

Oh boy is it easy to rack up the penalties at Monza

 

[banckzy]

I've just tried it. In my hands at least, it's over a second off my time in the Mustang.

on average how far are you from top 10 times?

 

[250Cal]

on average how far are you from top 10 times?

Obviously varies circuit to circuit but generally 1.5 secs or so. I do generally do OK in the dailies and FIA stuff.

 

[bmxmitch]

Ohhh come on! This is just ridiculous


At least I came in second with my SLS in the first race. Second race was hell though. All those Mustangs trying to squeeze past me in corners, forcing penalties over and over. FFS

 

[Robben]

Ohhh come on! This is just ridiculous


At least I came in second with my SLS in the first race. Second race was hell though. All those Mustangs trying to squeeze past me in corners, forcing penalties over and over. FFS

They really need to get the balance right ffs

 

[bmxmitch]

They really need to get the balance right ffs

Biggest problem is still the people! They will always choose whats slightly faster, even if its only .001sec
Guess those guys are also fans of Bayern or Real Madrid. Not because they like what they're doing, but they like winning.....I hate those people

 

[Crazy Taylor]

Pit lane is the worst on monza where drivers pit out then brazenly cut over to racing line not looking. One Italian did this then decided to try take me out of race for duration

 

[Robben]

Biggest problem is still the people! They will always choose whats slightly faster, even if its only .001sec
Guess those guys are also fans of Bayern or Real Madrid. Not because they like what they're doing, but they like winning.....I hate those people

What's your car of choice for Monza then Mitch?

 

[banckzy]

Ohhh come on! This is just ridiculous


At least I came in second with my SLS in the first race. Second race was hell though. All those Mustangs trying to squeeze past me in corners, forcing penalties over and over. FFS

0.7sec gap all filled with mustangs....

not good

 

[Maxrevv]

Well that was a quick turn of top 10 lap times. From a variety of AMG GT3s, Mustang, 6-Series, Beetle, and 458 Italia, the Gr. 3 Monza is now chock full of Mustangs on the leaderboards now.

Been using the AMG GT3, my fastest is about 1:49, think I can push it to high 1:48s, made pole on my first race, and finish line is also full of driver penalties, maybe 15 out of 18 of the drivers?

Monza's not a track that you would underestimate, its easy to get penalties if you're not careful.

 

[bmxmitch]

What's your car of choice for Monza then Mitch?

Right now, the SLS. But I haven't tested any other, except the Lexus.

And btw, I just quit another race. The divebombing and ramming just got ridiculous. I'm now at SR B again...
Guess I'll try to get even lower now, as the SR S drivers are the worst! I had way better races in SR A/B so far

 

[Crazy Taylor]

Biggest problem is still the people! They will always choose whats slightly faster, even if its only .001sec
Guess those guys are also fans of Bayern or Real Madrid. Not because they like what they're doing, but they like winning.....I hate those people

Choosing bayern is like being left with the ugly one its either real or barca

 

[Robben]

Right now, the SLS. But I haven't tested any other, except the Lexus.

And btw, I just quit another race. The divebombing and ramming just got ridiculous. I'm now at SR B again...
Guess I'll try to get even lower now, as the SR S drivers are the worst! I had way better races in SR A/B so far

Yeah I might give Monza a miss by the looks of the comments! Or just chill at the back and rack up SR.

Choosing bayern is like being left with the ugly one its either real or barca

Or both. Plus Man City.

 

[Crazy Taylor]

Or both. Plus Man City.

Man city are the easy to look at young one of the bunch being a 10 year old team

 

[bmxmitch]

Ok, one last try at Monza. If its destruction derby in the first round again, I'll go and race the Supra

 

[DesertPenguin]

I kind of expected Monza with GT3 as the first thing but x15 tire wear? So that's another undocumented change, we can go higher than x10 now?

 

[Highlandor]

Monza makes no fun today, but it is a pretty nice track. Run 3 races now, starting from 9, 5 and 3 position... and everytime at the first chicane they do a mass crash. No chance here, even in A/S... otherwise it would be really great races

Agreed, gave up after 2 races @ A S level.

How on earth can so many drivers be at the second highest level of driver, yet have absolutely no racecraft....

Even if you did your upmost to keep clear and give people room, you'd still get taken out by 'someone' who mis-judges their braking point for one reason or another. Didn't matter if you were near the front or at the back...

Something as simple as not being directly behind the guy infront incase you screw up, you won't hit them - too much for A S level drivers to comprehend(?), obviously it was...

NOTE: weren't this bad at Nurb gp, had some great races there following / being followed, in a train of cars...

 

[TamasToth]

Ohhh come on! This is just ridiculous
Second race was hell though. All those Mustangs trying to squeeze past me in corners, forcing penalties over and over. FFS

It is a complete shame of the rating system. When I was pushed out in last corner and lost 2 positions, I was quite sure that the one pushed me get penalty, so just 1 place lost. No. He even didn't have a red dot... (In fact he was rewarded with the position.)
This is not working this way. Or... it is working, as an idiot childish game for kids, but not as a FIA sports title.

 

[baldgye]

Ohhh come on! This is just ridiculous


At least I came in second with my SLS in the first race. Second race was hell though. All those Mustangs trying to squeeze past me in corners, forcing penalties over and over. FFS

They really need to get the balance right ffs

Biggest problem is still the people! They will always choose whats slightly faster, even if its only .001sec
Guess those guys are also fans of Bayern or Real Madrid. Not because they like what they're doing, but they like winning.....I hate those people

Not being funny, but what are you guys even talking about?
How do they balance every car to be equal at every track? That's not how balance works, that's not even how the cars work... some cars are better than others on some tracks, and others are better on others. Either you get good at what works best or you choose your battles.

Before anyone brings up my post about the 911's, it was never that they were too good, just over-used at every single GR3 event.

 

[Blacki2k2]

Yh, tried monza again... aaand did it No failure, not a single touch to a other car, started from position 3, 1st place did a break fail in first chicane and got behind me. Driving behind 1st now with a second distance, im going to pit after round 5 and coming as 6th. out of the pit. Place 1 - 5 doing pit after 6th round and the first came 2 seconds behind me out of the pit. Raced with him in neck to finish, 0,8s difference at the end. Wow, this was a really nice race. Lot of fun and much concentrated. I Like It!

Wouldn‘t the Peugeot be fast in Monza with the long straights? As it is also dominating in Tokyo.

No, it`s way slower than the mustang. The long straights aren't long enough to get the maximus highspeed. It has a max speed about 284kmh/176,469mph. But it is slower in acceleration than the mustang, and in this case you loose round about 1.5 - 2 secs per lap.

 

[VFOURMAX1]

How do they balance every car to be equal at every track? That's not how balance works, that's not even how the cars work... some cars are better than others on some tracks, and others are better on others. Either you get good at what works best or you choose your battles.

When you have a BoP system in use in real world racing to make the competition more equal between makes of cars within a class the drivers use the same car for the entire season.

The races are held across a predetermined series of circuits where car A may have the advantage in round 1 and 3, car B has the advantage in round 2 and 6 and car C has the advantage in round 2 and 5 and round 4 no car has a clear advantage so over the course of a season in the real world the advantages sort of even themselves out so the system works pretty well.

Each race has the same mixture of brands of cars as the race before and the next race that will be upcoming.

In GTS except for the manufacturers championship all races are a one off race and each driver has the ability to change cars at will. A BoP system that is a vanilla system across the board will do exactly what has become common in GTS sport races as the races will be mainly populated by which ever car the BoP has granted an advantage.

The only way to make the one off system fair across all brands of cars across the class is to set the BoP independently for each car at each circuit so that the total lap time the cars are capable of on any given circuit will be within a variance close enough to not really influence car choice over personal likes of the car or its actual driving traits which would still differ from car to car.

As long as one universal BoP system as is now used is in place you will continue to see races being dominated by one or two makes of cars within a class at many circuits.

 

[bone_tone]

Ok, one last try at Monza. If its destruction derby in the first round again, I'll go and race the Supra

I gave Monza a try, think it's the first race I've been in where everybody got a penalty! Having said that I did manage to go up 9 places, from 13th to 4th......

 

[baldgye]

When you have a BoP system in use in real world racing to make the competition more equal between makes of cars within a class the drivers use the same car for the entire season.

The races are held across a predetermined series of circuits where car A may have the advantage in round 1 and 3, car B has the advantage in round 2 and 6 and car C has the advantage in round 2 and 5 and round 4 no car has a clear advantage so over the course of a season in the real world the advantages sort of even themselves out so the system works pretty well.

Each race has the same mixture of brands of cars as the race before and the next race that will be upcoming.

In GTS except for the manufacturers championship all races are a one off race and each driver has the ability to change cars at will. A BoP system that is a vanilla system across the board will do exactly what has become common in GTS sport races as the races will be mainly populated by which ever car the BoP has granted an advantage.

The only way to make the one off system fair across all brands of cars across the class is to set the BoP independently for each car at each circuit so that the total lap time the cars are capable of on any given circuit will be within a variance close enough to not really influence car choice over personal likes of the car or its actual driving traits which would still differ from car to car.

As long as one universal BoP system as is now used is in place you will continue to see races being dominated by one or two makes of cars within a class at many circuits.

Except that isn’t the case.
The Mustang is the only car to have dominated any GR3 leaderboards due to being actually faster. And that’s simply because Monza is a glorified oval (to be rude about it haha).


For GR3 cars the BoP has worked well and no one car has (until now on this one track) been an issue.
I understand that in real racing you can’t just switch cars at will, but how are you ever to be able to learn to drive a car well and consistently if the BoP changes constantly per-track? It would only serve to make some already chaotic races worse as drivers aren’t used to the changes to the car.
I know I’d struggle if my car was suddenly slower, or faster...

/shrug

Maybe I’m wrong and maybe the Mustang needs some extra ballast... but I don’t like the idea of removing advantages some cars have over others at some tracks. As at that point, you might as well be racing a single spec series... which I guess, is the problem with one car dominating to begin with...

 

[UGA95]

Biggest problem is still the people! They will always choose whats slightly faster, even if its only .001sec
Guess those guys are also fans of Bayern or Real Madrid. Not because they like what they're doing, but they like winning.....I hate those people

The biggest reason the Mustang is filling the leaderboards is because it's a straight line car and Monza suits it perfectly. I bet tomorrow you won't see many Mustangs, if at all. The cars in general need to be more balanced but I don't mind certain cars having a slight advantage on certain tracks. For example the Mustang is strong on the straights but not as strong in corners. It all just needs to be balanced out a little better, and certain cars need to be brought into the pack, such as the Subaru, Huracan, Alfa, etc. I have no idea what PD is doing on that front. Half the cars in each class aren't even usable if you want to win.

And the problem isn't the people. Why are you blaming them for choosing the car that has a slight advantage that will give them a better chance at winning? Especially in Sport mode? You want them to purposefully choose a slower car? The idea is to win, period. That's what racing is.

 

[bmxmitch]

The biggest reason the Mustang is filling the leaderboards is because it's a straight line car and Monza suits it perfectly. I bet tomorrow you won't see many Mustangs, if at all. The cars in general need to be more balanced but I don't mind certain cars having a slight advantage on certain tracks. For example the Mustang is strong on the straights but not as strong in corners. It all just needs to be balanced out a little better, and certain cars need to be brought into the pack, such as the Subaru, Huracan, Alfa, etc. I have no idea what PD is doing on that front. Half the cars in each class aren't even usable if you want to win.

And the problem isn't the people. Why are you blaming them for choosing the car that has a slight advantage that will give them a better chance at winning? Especially in Sport mode? You want them to purposefully choose a slower car? The idea is to win, period. That's what racing is.

Totally agree with you here!
I just wish there would be more variety. Most of the races feel like One-Make races... Or is it mostly in SR S races? As everyone there seems to be more competitive compared to lower ranks!?
I decreased from S to B today and the races where most people were Sr B had way more variety. Maybe just a coincidence, but I enjoyed them more, most of the time.

And maybe sport mode needs a system that forces variety a little!?
Lets say 2 of each car maximum. I just dont know how to implement a system like that right now