"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Jimmyghione]

you to be... me to D LOL

 

[inri]

Make that DR C since i got pwned in t1 in the first SR D lobby i entered lmfao. something like 45k DR gone in 3 races. well its not really that important but i'd like to race in the top split rooms and you need DR to do that

 

[kalakanto]

Make that DR C since i got pwned in t1 in the first SR D lobby i entered lmfao. something like 45k DR gone in 3 races. well its not really that important but i'd like to race in the top split rooms and you need DR to do that

You still are in top 21% says Kudos lol

Not funny... this is my only complain of penalty system if looking it open minded, somebody hothead can destroy your maybe weeks contiuned work with Dr in just one race. And I think some are even temptioned to that if own rating is very low and you decide to bring some DrS SrS racer down... and back to FIFA or BF. There you then are wondering what the h*** just happened.

Still managed to avoid that but losted tons of Dr when seen that now it's better to back off and not to try chase that kind of hothead.

 

[MhtyClipster]

That your in the top **% on Kudos always reminds me how many low ranked racers there are, i am only on 5,134 points [due to reset after Monza] and I am in the Top 29%. Therefore roughly 2/3rds of drivers must be ranked low C like me or worse?

 

[ASH32]

Make that DR C since i got pwned in t1 in the first SR D lobby i entered lmfao. something like 45k DR gone in 3 races. well its not really that important but i'd like to race in the top split rooms and you need DR to do that

As soon as there is a race at some other track you are going to rack up wins and get back to where you belong.

 

[TheNorfolkDad]

As soon as there is a race at some other track you are going to rack up wins and get back to where you belong.

In theory at least, I don't get matched against higher ranked players since being reset so it's a long old slog back to 30k

 

[Invisigoth]

Make that DR C since i got pwned in t1 in the first SR D lobby i entered lmfao. something like 45k DR gone in 3 races. well its not really that important but i'd like to race in the top split rooms and you need DR to do that

Alien .

I got Monza'd twice, but not as bad as you!

First race I thought I was doing ok, till race fixing, I mean matching. P11 was my reward. At the first chicane I was being cautious, but still got pushed into the kitty litter... down to P18. Clawed my way up to P11. Had a guy in a purple Lambo smashing into me repeatedly from the side on one of the straits because he didn't like being past. I've raced against him before and he did the same thing there. He ended up in the kitty litter, and I ended up with an orange SR even though we were side by side, I was moving in a strait line. Pitted P7, came out P10. Got nudged again, finished P16.

Not happy with the results when I knew I could do better with a clean race, I went again. I drew the short straw . The grid was mostly B/S with a random A/S and C/S thrown in, and four of us D/Ss. Shaved another 2s from my qualifying from the previous race, but was rewarded with P14. Again shunted at the first chicane, and again down to P18 . Worked my way up to P15 when I came across another dip stick who thought it was a good idea to deliberately knock people off. I had planned to report them, this was just ridiculous . After I managed to get past him and myself and several others got knocked about by him, he spun me out at the first chicane. Back to P18 and an orange SR . Worked my way to P15 and again got spun out by the same guy at the same chicane!!!

Pitted P14, came out P16. Finished P14. As for the muppet, he finished the race with SR/E. He started the race SR/S.

So.. after 2 races at Monza, DR down, not sure by how much from before Monza. SR dropped from 99 to 82 .

Another day above DR1 .

 

[kevlar_hybrid]

SR 99 -> 62 in one Monza demolition derby. Ranked S-S going in, pooled with a bunch of much lower ranked drivers, most of whom didn't bother braking for T1, or T2, or T3.....

My fault, I should have not played the game as that's the only way not to lose rank.

 

[VeeDoubleU]

That your in the top **% on Kudos always reminds me how many low ranked racers there are, i am only on 5,134 points [due to reset after Monza] and I am in the Top 29%. Therefore roughly 2/3rds of drivers must be ranked low C like me or worse?

It's pretty much because there is a very high percentage of people who have raced less than 10 races, and hence still have really low (or even rookie E) ratings

 

[ststav01]

2.08.9XX on Suzuka, missed a 100% 2.08.6XX by overcooking the very last corner of the Casio triangle ... at least I'm glad to see that my pace is improving, the last time I played GR4 at Suzuka barely touched the 2.08 while now I have a chance to hit mid 2.08, will enter a few races later to give it a try ...

 

[fastone371]

Alien .

I got Monza'd twice, but not as bad as you!

First race I thought I was doing ok, till race fixing, I mean matching. P11 was my reward. At the first chicane I was being cautious, but still got pushed into the kitty litter... down to P18. Clawed my way up to P11. Had a guy in a purple Lambo smashing into me repeatedly from the side on one of the straits because he didn't like being past. I've raced against him before and he did the same thing there. He ended up in the kitty litter, and I ended up with an orange SR even though we were side by side, I was moving in a strait line. Pitted P7, came out P10. Got nudged again, finished P16.

Not happy with the results when I knew I could do better with a clean race, I went again. I drew the short straw . The grid was mostly B/S with a random A/S and C/S thrown in, and four of us D/Ss. Shaved another 2s from my qualifying from the previous race, but was rewarded with P14. Again shunted at the first chicane, and again down to P18 . Worked my way up to P15 when I came across another dip stick who thought it was a good idea to deliberately knock people off. I had planned to report them, this was just ridiculous . After I managed to get past him and myself and several others got knocked about by him, he spun me out at the first chicane. Back to P18 and an orange SR . Worked my way to P15 and again got spun out by the same guy at the same chicane!!!

Pitted P14, came out P16. Finished P14. As for the muppet, he finished the race with SR/E. He started the race SR/S.

So.. after 2 races at Monza, DR down, not sure by how much from before Monza. SR dropped from 99 to 82 .


Another day above DR1 .

That's really unfortunate there are 13 year old "tools" out there like you had to deal with. It would be one thing if it just affected them but it also has a huge effect on your ratings. I used to like racing at Monza but I don't even bother entering sport mode races there anymore just for that reason. Do have any idea what happens to people who get reported if anything? If nothing ever happens its just a waste of time reporting them. You can usually tell who just had a bad race and which are just dirty drivers, the dirty drivers usually exit the race immediately and have their profile settings set to private

 

[Khannie]

SR 99 -> 62 in one Monza demolition derby. Ranked S-S going in, pooled with a bunch of much lower ranked drivers, most of whom didn't bother braking for T1, or T2, or T3.....

My fault, I should have not played the game as that's the only way not to lose rank.

I am not that fast so I think I'll be starting in the back of Monza anyway. I have never raced there due to the stuff I read on here - but would a good strategy be to start from the back, and then take it slow through the 1st chicane and gain a few positions? Or is there just carnage at every turn?

 

[GTPorsche]

I know it's not today's race, but Blue Moon Gr.4 last night was a blast. I didn't expect the racing to be as good as it was. I also learned that if someone is bumping you down the straights, it doesn't count as dirty. Though I did have one race where I ran into the back of a car that suddenly slowed in a weird spot, so that was a ten second penalty, but the guy who I ran into did apologize after the race and even when I was killing the penalty I had stayed behind me. Then later in that same race, a car spun out in front of me on the racing line close to the turn-in for the next corner and even though I was hard on the brakes, I still nudged him and got a 10 second penalty once again. Every race after that was fantastic though, and considering that was the first race of the night I did, everything went better from there. No wins, no poles, no fastest laps, but when you're starting 3rd-6th behind very fast drivers, it's difficult to get those achievements. Except for the first race where I started 9th and finished 10th because of the penalties, the races after that I finished no worse than 4th.

Did one Suzuka Gr.4 race. Started 6th, finished 3rd. Someone had a DC in the hairpin on the first lap and I went from 5th to 2nd because of it.

 

[ASH32]

I am not that fast so I think I'll be starting in the back of Monza anyway. I have never raced there due to the stuff I read on here - but would a good strategy be to start from the back, and then take it slow through the 1st chicane and gain a few positions? Or is there just carnage at every turn?

Yes don't bother if you have to start at or near the back, cars will go flying off and charge back on into you or they'll have a penalty and weave to stop you passing or just brake check you, to make sure they can serve their penalty and stop you passing all at the same time. Then one behind you will forget they have a brake and run straight into you getting you both a penalty but you'll get an extra one for going off the track.

Or you'll just hit someone you can't avoid as cars go everywhere and again you'll get a penalty. Then there are a number of guys who can't race side by side so they'll just push you off if you pull alongside them, another penalty for you. Then others will stop dead in the pit entry to serve penalties when you are trying to pit, you hit them and get a penalty. Cars leaving said pit will also spear back on to the racing line whether you are there or not, so another penalty for you of course. You'll be all angry by this point and will accidently put more than two wheels off the track at some point, whilst desperately trying to regain the time you've lost, but now here's an extra penalty for you.

Then finally just when you've actually survived and gained places in spite of all the chaos, someone right in front of you will hit the brakes just before the finish line, whilst on the racing line of course, to serve their penalty and you'll hit them and get yourself one added to your race time and lose all the gained places anyway.

 

[mthomas_95]

People who care about their ratings are still doing Monza outside of FIA races?

I think Polyphony have to have a rethink how they calculate DR/SR from the Daily Races. Top S/S guys aren't touching them with a bargepole, the last Daily Race I did for fun was Gr1 Suzuka 6 weeks ago. I think the last Daily B I did was in January and as for Daily A? Forget it . Had to do a Gr3 race at Suzuka last week to recover SR from a Monza midpack penalty fest, but that's the only reason you'll see us do them anymore.

Because the top S are avoiding them, the lower S are starting to as well because they barely gain any DR for winning and soon the A's will give up as there's no S drivers to take points from etc. Maybe they can try races where only SR gets affected, and only DR points reductions could be from those not finishing just to encourage people to continue racing? I think in iRacing only 'official' events impact your iRating, so maybe DR could be linked to just FIA races and hopefully other online championships once the season begins proper just so it doesn't take months to work your way up to S if you have the speed. Take DR out of the equation and that might ease the 'overtake at all costs' attitude as well.

 

[Venster]

This really shouldn’t be the case, we shouldn’t have tracks we have to avoid due to the fear of losing so much DR and SR. This really needs a fix but what is it?

Having a penalty system is definitely better than not but it does need sorting. I personally only race tracks I’m 100% confident on else it lands you in all sorts of problems. DR resets are ridiculous as well, I can understand having the deterrent but it needs to be based on more than just a couple races!!

Also noticed a significant drop in DRS ranked drivers lately. Was around the 1500 mark now 1200 ish

 

[VeeDoubleU]

People who care about their ratings are still doing Monza outside of FIA races?

I think Polyphony have to have a rethink how they calculate DR/SR from the Daily Races. Top S/S guys aren't touching them with a bargepole, the last Daily Race I did for fun was Gr1 Suzuka 6 weeks ago. I think the last Daily B I did was in January and as for Daily A? Forget it . Had to do a Gr3 race at Suzuka last week to recover SR from a Monza midpack penalty fest, but that's the only reason you'll see us do them anymore.

Because the top S are avoiding them, the lower S are starting to as well because they barely gain any DR for winning and soon the A's will give up as there's no S drivers to take points from etc. Maybe they can try races where only SR gets affected, and only DR points reductions could be from those not finishing just to encourage people to continue racing? I think in iRacing only 'official' events impact your iRating, so maybe DR could be linked to just FIA races and hopefully other online championships once the season begins proper just so it doesn't take months to work your way up to S if you have the speed. Take DR out of the equation and that might ease the 'overtake at all costs' attitude as well.

One of the problems is that you are under threat of losing all of your major DR progress, and your ability to race in the top splits in FIA Race, every single time you race.

Whenever you race in a Daily Race, you are very much at risk, through no fault of your own, dropping multiple SR Ranks and losing loads of DR, stopping you from properly fighting for the FIA Championships.

If you weren't at risk of essentially losing your 'Top FIA Racer' status, then you and other aliens would feel more comfortable taking part in Daily Races.

 

[John Crellin]

One of the problems is that you are under threat of losing all of your major DR progress, and your ability to race in the top splits in FIA Race, every single time you race.

Whenever you race in a Daily Race, you are very much at risk, through no fault of your own, dropping multiple SR Ranks and losing loads of DR, stopping you from properly fighting for the FIA Championships.

If you weren't at risk of essentially losing your 'Top FIA Racer' status, then you and other aliens would feel more comfortable taking part in Daily Races.

I think that is completely correct. That and the fact that there is absolutely nothing to gain from dailies with 75k DR only boatloads to lose.

 

[Krypton78]

something like 45k DR gone in 3 races

Its really a shame that something like this is possible. A few idiots can ruin weeks of work.

It should be way harder to gain SR/S and losing it should be not that easy also. Because if somebody is at a certain high SR, it should be sure that he went a long way with clean races, and he should not lose it instantly because of 1 messy race.
And the SR- range where possible oppenents can be mixed together should be much smaller. For example a SR/99 should not me matched with SR/94. If that means, that there will be a huge DR-difference in a room, well this is already the case often.

Because the top S are avoiding them, the lower S are starting to as well because they barely gain any DR for winning and soon the A's will give up as there's no S drivers to take points from et

Yes, if you are DR/S and in a room with way lower ranked drivers, you can't win anything but lose very much. But to be honest, I would have no idea how to fix this. Normally, when you are through the first corner, you're more or less on the safe side, but its a luck-thing

 

[Mikail Hizal]

People who care about their ratings are still doing Monza outside of FIA races?

I think Polyphony have to have a rethink how they calculate DR/SR from the Daily Races. Top S/S guys aren't touching them with a bargepole, the last Daily Race I did for fun was Gr1 Suzuka 6 weeks ago. I think the last Daily B I did was in January and as for Daily A? Forget it . Had to do a Gr3 race at Suzuka last week to recover SR from a Monza midpack penalty fest, but that's the only reason you'll see us do them anymore.

Because the top S are avoiding them, the lower S are starting to as well because they barely gain any DR for winning and soon the A's will give up as there's no S drivers to take points from etc. Maybe they can try races where only SR gets affected, and only DR points reductions could be from those not finishing just to encourage people to continue racing? I think in iRacing only 'official' events impact your iRating, so maybe DR could be linked to just FIA races and hopefully other online championships once the season begins proper just so it doesn't take months to work your way up to S if you have the speed. Take DR out of the equation and that might ease the 'overtake at all costs' attitude as well.

No risk, no fun

 

[mthomas_95]

One of the problems is that you are under threat of losing all of your major DR progress, and your ability to race in the top splits in FIA Race, every single time you race.

Whenever you race in a Daily Race, you are very much at risk, through no fault of your own, dropping multiple SR Ranks and losing loads of DR, stopping you from properly fighting for the FIA Championships.

If you weren't at risk of essentially losing your 'Top FIA Racer' status, then you and other aliens would feel more comfortable taking part in Daily Races.

It's not so bad DR now the top 24 is standings based because top lobbies for the standard races are never above 55k, whereas before you need 70k+ for top 24. However, you still want the highest DR possible because Polyphony are using it in ways I'm probably not allowed to make public just yet

No risk, no fun

You qualify about 6 seconds ahead of anyone, not risky for you still

 

[Venster]

Maybe separate DR ranking for daily’s and fia races would be the way forward. Because let’s not forget we all play this for enjoyment. It’s not fair on DRS drivers they can’t race in daily’s because they potentially lose the chance to compete if they have a bad race.

And when you think about it, the two things are completely different entities, so why should the DR be common to both?

I also think they should introduce divisions with perhaps a top race for each division with the chance for promotion. Gives everyone a bit more achievement plus the lobby’s would be much more balanced. Plus it would help with I entered this race which is worth less points than this race as all lobby’s would be strong!

Bit off topic sorry!

 

[Outspacer]

However, you still want the highest DR possible because Polyphony are using it in ways I'm probably not allowed to make public just yet

Oh, you'll talk. You haven't met my latest inventions yet, have you? *jangle* *clatter* *blade-sharpening-noise*

 

[Krypton78]

@mthomas_95
@Outspacer

Now you made us curious (at least me)

 

[Venster]

@mthomas_95
@Outspacer

Now you made us curious (at least me)

And me!!!! My mind can’t handle it!

 

[fastone371]

It's not so bad DR now the top 24 is standings based because top lobbies for the standard races are never above 55k, whereas before you need 70k+ for top 24. However, you still want the highest DR possible because Polyphony are using it in ways I'm probably not allowed to make public just yet



You qualify about 6 seconds ahead of anyone, not risky for you still

Yeah sorry there omas, you don't just go and blurt out something like that then clam up. We have ways of making you talk, in fact you will be singing like a Canary!!!

 

[PirovacBoy]

From my point of view, i‘d say there are at least 2 types of players. The ones that play to raise their Dr who let themselves be poisoned by the Dr greediness, who try to push their pitiful Egos by maximizing their Dr gain at any cost who are willing to take anything in account to net themselves the biggest possible Dr Count.
And of course the honest players who play by honorful Standards who don’t care about their Dr. People who are looking for fair and competitive Races who do not define themselves by some meaningless Numbers like Dr and Sr.
In my opinion THIS is the biggest Game Killer, Driver Rating. Something that should motivate people turns out to be the most subtile poison, killing the whole race Atmos.
I play very much and very often in Lobbies and I absolutely NEVER encounter this type of racing culture. Why? Because there is no Dr gain/loss involved. Still I find the occasional Wannabe who tries to make an all or nothing pass, idiotic driving by simply being too arrogant and not capable or willing to loose a position because of some stupid prestige thing. But overall racing is so fair and clean, people respect and treat each other that it’s a pleasure to race against these people.
It’s sad that PD obviously didn’t take in account the human nature of being selfish and egoistic while introducing their Dr System, which is a perfect motivation per se, as long as being played by people with integrity and an honorable attitude.

 

[kevlar_hybrid]

One of the problems is that you are under threat of losing all of your major DR progress, and your ability to race in the top splits in FIA Race, every single time you race.

Whenever you race in a Daily Race, you are very much at risk, through no fault of your own, dropping multiple SR Ranks and losing loads of DR, stopping you from properly fighting for the FIA Championships.

If you weren't at risk of essentially losing your 'Top FIA Racer' status, then you and other aliens would feel more comfortable taking part in Daily Races.

Yup, I'm low ranked S-S and I'm adopting the strategy of spending a decent amount of time on qualy -> enter race -> as soon as the lobby shows up and there's too broad mix of skills i'll quit before it loads proper. That way I don't get penalised for quitting a race.

I broke that rule today at Monza because, well, I wanted to race! Stupid me. One lap in I was S-B having been punted all over the shop by low ranked racers with no qualy time posted even. I have *everything* to lose and if I had managed to win from pole I would have gained no SR and, what, 100 DR points? So I'll go back to my 'peek and quit' strategy again thank you.

So what happened next you may wonder? I did three Race B's at Suzuka, pole by over a second, ranked with D-A/B drivers, beat the field by 12 or so seconds over 4 lap race. Boring for them, boring for me. Idiotic. Back to S-S after three races.

 

[vxr58]

This really shouldn’t be the case, we shouldn’t have tracks we have to avoid due to the fear of losing so much DR and SR. This really needs a fix but what is it?

Having a penalty system is definitely better than not but it does need sorting. I personally only race tracks I’m 100% confident on else it lands you in all sorts of problems. DR resets are ridiculous as well, I can understand having the deterrent but it needs to be based on more than just a couple races!!

Also noticed a significant drop in DRS ranked drivers lately. Was around the 1500 mark now 1200 ish

How do you know how many there are?

 

[05XR8]

This time at Suzuka, I'm trying the NSX for the first time. Lo and behold, half the field are NSXs. Thought I'd "dare to be different".