"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[TetsuKobura]

Race C is an absolute blast (aside from P1 having a trash start compared to P2). Only gripe is that one little bump ends up taking away a clean race bonus, and I’d probably have a streak of like 6-7 now if it wasn’t for that.

 

[yas]

did anyone run a no stopper in race C last week? did you find it successful?

I saw people try and fail... I don't think It would work on this technical track with this tire usage.

 

[KinLM]

I saw people try and fail... I don't think It would work on this technical track with this tire usage.

It totally was possible, and depending on the car, and how easy you were on the tires, it was a very viable option.

I used the NSX a lot, which is apparently hard on the tires. Regardless, I was still able to run a smooth line, not screech the tires too much, and keep them very healthy while only giving up 0.5-1sec per lap. It would get difficult near the end regardless, but it was an easy way of buying some clean air.

I saw others try this in different cars and win the race.

One of my favorite races was actually a 3 way battle for the entire last lap; me and a Brazilian (who both pitted) and an Argentinian who had stayed out the whole race.

We were all A+ drivers, so I think it’s a matter of just learning how to be fast while still saving the tires. I’m not great at it, but I can do it to some extent. Others are masters at it, and use it to their advantage to win these C races all the time.

Even if you DO come in to pit, saving the tires early on so that you can push hard at the end when others are on poor rubber (even if it’s only before a pit stop) can still work wonders.

I cannot tell you how many races I’ve won at Fuji, be it Group 2, 3, or a one-make with the FRS, simply by not killing the tires in the long sweeping corners on the first few laps.

 

[yas]

I stand corrected

 

[Winnie847]

did anyone run a no stopper in race C last week? did you find it successful?

I saw people try and fail... I don't think It would work on this technical track with this tire usage.

It totally was possible, and depending on the car, and how easy you were on the tires, it was a very viable option.

I used the NSX a lot, which is apparently hard on the tires. Regardless, I was still able to run a smooth line, not screech the tires too much, and keep them very healthy while only giving up 0.5-1sec per lap. It would get difficult near the end regardless, but it was an easy way of buying some clean air.

I saw others try this in different cars and win the race.

One of my favorite races was actually a 3 way battle for the entire last lap; me and a Brazilian (who both pitted) and an Argentinian who had stayed out the whole race.

We were all A+ drivers, so I think it’s a matter of just learning how to be fast while still saving the tires. I’m not great at it, but I can do it to some extent. Others are masters at it, and use it to their advantage to win these C races all the time.

Even if you DO come in to pit, saving the tires early on so that you can push hard at the end when others are on poor rubber (even if it’s only before a pit stop) can still work wonders.

I cannot tell you how many races I’ve won at Fuji, be it Group 2, 3, or a one-make with the FRS, simply by not killing the tires in the long sweeping corners on the first few laps.

Didn’t try it myself but I saw a few others attempt it and fail. The two last night ended up in 8th and 9th, but they sure did a heck of a job disrupting the leading pack on our way out of the pits. We all passed them in 2 laps, despite their blocking. I think if you’re in a slower lobby or playing late at night it was possible to do well no-stopping but if there are guys with low 1:46 or 1:45 qualy times it’s probably not worth it because you’re losing time on fuel and tires. I think the better bet was pitting early and going for the undercut if you can avoid traffic. Total time for winners that I saw varied between 19:58 and 20:15 and I doubt that can be done without stopping.....but maybe! I’ve been wrong before and will be again.

 

[bdubclub]

Trust me I feel your pain. There was a time not very long ago, when I was in the same boat. Let me give you some context.....

I got this game in December of 2017. Didn't get a wheel until April. Before this game I hadn't played a single video game for more than a couple hours in over 15 years. I'm 36 now. I played GT1 and GT3 on controller only, never played any game online before, and I didn't even know about driver aids back then so I was probably using all of them. I used to just run over the AI and smash through my friends when playing multiplayer. Also for the first six months or so of having this game I only used Supersoft tires and tuned all my cars to the max using tunes found here on GTP. So once I started playing Sport Mode I was at a pretty big disadvantage but I quickly realized that's where all the fastest people are and using RH tires was the only way to go. So basically this is the first so-called "racing sim" I've ever taken seriously and it's still the only game my old butt ever plays. I fought my way up to DR-B and assumed I'd never reach DR-A. Did a lot of reading on here, practiced more, and made DR-A before too long. Then I thought for sure there would be no way I'd ever make it to A+. Not too much longer and I made it. Then I thought it was definitely a fluke and I was only taking advantage of my best combos. But here I am, still in A+ after racing a ton of combos and I only occasionally dip down below 50k, and it's been awhile since the last time I did that. At this point, I've had 2 qualy times in the Top 10 of Americas Region, and I still use Traction Control as well as auto-transmission. I've beaten a handful of aliens at combos that favor me, but they usually smoke me in other areas, and that's fine with me. Not bad for an old rusty dude who uses traction control, lol. If I can do it, you'll certainly get there. I still get demolished if I happen to join the FIA races at the right (or wrong?) time and it's filled with aliens. Bringing up the rear is still something I expect when the competition is stiff, it's all relative though. My suggestion to you is spend a good amount of time qualifying for awhile, and you'll get pretty good at it, even if you don't plan on racing that day or even that track, it will help you learn the nuances of all the tracks and cars. Eventually you'll get better at putting up great lap times without spending too much time trying, and that can make all the difference.



That's a good attitude to have, but not an easy one to adopt. I wasn't as positive when I first started getting matched with crazy fast guys, I was upset about it because everyone likes to win. But you're right, some of the best races and battles I've ever had have been from starting mid field or even near the back. Even now when I start on pole I'm happy because I have a better chance of winning, but I know the potential for a boring race is greater. The most fun I have is when I start in the top 5 but not on pole, because there are fast guys all around and I know I still have a chance to win but I have to work for it and have fun in the process.

Thanks for the compliment man. Which races were you watching replays of with me in them? And what's your psn? There's a chance I might have saved the replay too.

So you only have about 6 months on your wheel and 10 months on gts?? Honestly I think your progress is amazing, great pace and race craft for such a short time. Now all you have to do is ditch the auto, really does make race C more enjoyable when you learn the art of the short shift. 👍

 

[fastone371]

reverse seaside is the worst of the "reverse" bunch but yeah lets make it twice in a row! more time to play RDR 2 I guess

I said the same thing this morning in a lobby during a race there. The track just does not flow well, its almost like the track was built to never run in reverse. It just feels like I am entering every corner way too slow yet if I try to enter with more speed the car just plows high thru the turn.

 

[Winnie847]

So you only have about 6 months on your wheel and 10 months on gts?? Honestly I think your progress is amazing, great pace and race craft for such a short time. Now all you have to do is ditch the auto, really does make race C more enjoyable when you learn the art of the short shift. 👍

Hey Raveniix! Great to meet you here and on the track. I gotta say you’re super fast and clean, and I’ve had some great races with you, usually just trying to keep up!

Thanks for the compliments man it means a lot. It’s been about 8 months with wheel and almost 1 year in the game. I tend to get pretty obsessive with whatever I’m currently into, so once I felt I had a little talent for it I dropped some other hobbies and just raced, but still usually only race 2-3 days a week if that....but on those days I get my money’s worth for sure, lol.

I should have ditched auto and TC months ago but it’s a bad habit that’s hard to break for me. I do often qualify without TC but in race I use it for safety and consistency that I haven’t found yet. So far I only use manual in the slower cars, sometimes Gr.4 but usually just N-class because that’s where I can feel myself losing the most time. One day....maybe!?

I haven’t done race C yet but I love driving the Red Bull standard. I saw others saying it’s a no pit race, but is that only possible if you conserve? Since I’m just an auto-transmission pleb I’m always stuck mapping fuel instead of short shifting, which is a definite disadvantage.

 

[TetsuKobura]

Welp, got into a race with #1 on the Race C leaderboard and didn’t even make it through the loading screen.

Edit: WTF kicked out of it again... come on PD, I have a steady 4-bar connection and people with 1-bar were STILL able to race the whole time.

Edit 2: Aaaaand with the third time, I'm done for the day.

 

[GTP_TO Blue]

Race B with my Euro account was fun this afternoon. I'm a D/S driver after dropping from B/S a few weeks back.

I did a qualy time (I pressed the pause button too late on a sighting lap, and ended up slow with a mid 1:45. Running 1.43 in race mode), which I didn't wanna do as I like starting from the back, watch the carnage of the first few corners, and then move up a few places.

Anyway, in 2 races, I started mid pack and gained a whopping 2570 DR points by finishing 10th (where I started) & then 3rd (starting 8th), putting me into the C bracket now. Never seen such a jump in DR points by doing just 2 races.

The Z4 does very well around this track!

 

[Hoof Arted]

Didn’t try it myself but I saw a few others attempt it and fail. The two last night ended up in 8th and 9th, but they sure did a heck of a job disrupting the leading pack on our way out of the pits. We all passed them in 2 laps, despite their blocking. I think if you’re in a slower lobby or playing late at night it was possible to do well no-stopping but if there are guys with low 1:46 or 1:45 qualy times it’s probably not worth it because you’re losing time on fuel and tires. I think the better bet was pitting early and going for the undercut if you can avoid traffic. Total time for winners that I saw varied between 19:58 and 20:15 and I doubt that can be done without stopping.....but maybe! I’ve been wrong before and will be again.

Yeah, I had one race where no-stopping Merc AMG's finished P1 and P2. Not sure of the total race time, but I think it was ~20:05-20:10 (with no chicane cutting). The driver that won was always in the top 3, and the driver on pole (1:45:0xx) finished 3rd. Certainly the qualifying position and strength of the lobby will determine how successful a no-stopper will be be. In my case, I always had traffic on my pit outlap.

 

[Groundfish]

Trust me I feel your pain. There was a time not very long ago, when I was in the same boat. Let me give you some context.....

I got this game in December of 2017. Didn't get a wheel until April. Before this game I hadn't played a single video game for more than a couple hours in over 15 years. I'm 36 now. I played GT1 and GT3 on controller only, never played any game online before, and I didn't even know about driver aids back then so I was probably using all of them. I used to just run over the AI and smash through my friends when playing multiplayer. Also for the first six months or so of having this game I only used Supersoft tires and tuned all my cars to the max using tunes found here on GTP. So once I started playing Sport Mode I was at a pretty big disadvantage but I quickly realized that's where all the fastest people are and using RH tires was the only way to go. So basically this is the first so-called "racing sim" I've ever taken seriously and it's still the only game my old butt ever plays. I fought my way up to DR-B and assumed I'd never reach DR-A. Did a lot of reading on here, practiced more, and made DR-A before too long. Then I thought for sure there would be no way I'd ever make it to A+. Not too much longer and I made it. Then I thought it was definitely a fluke and I was only taking advantage of my best combos. But here I am, still in A+ after racing a ton of combos and I only occasionally dip down below 50k, and it's been awhile since the last time I did that. At this point, I've had 2 qualy times in the Top 10 of Americas Region, and I still use Traction Control as well as auto-transmission. I've beaten a handful of aliens at combos that favor me, but they usually smoke me in other areas, and that's fine with me. Not bad for an old rusty dude who uses traction control, lol. If I can do it, you'll certainly get there. I still get demolished if I happen to join the FIA races at the right (or wrong?) time and it's filled with aliens. Bringing up the rear is still something I expect when the competition is stiff, it's all relative though. My suggestion to you is spend a good amount of time qualifying for awhile, and you'll get pretty good at it, even if you don't plan on racing that day or even that track, it will help you learn the nuances of all the tracks and cars. Eventually you'll get better at putting up great lap times without spending too much time trying, and that can make all the difference.



That's a good attitude to have, but not an easy one to adopt. I wasn't as positive when I first started getting matched with crazy fast guys, I was upset about it because everyone likes to win. But you're right, some of the best races and battles I've ever had have been from starting mid field or even near the back. Even now when I start on pole I'm happy because I have a better chance of winning, but I know the potential for a boring race is greater. The most fun I have is when I start in the top 5 but not on pole, because there are fast guys all around and I know I still have a chance to win but I have to work for it and have fun in the process.

Thanks for the compliment man. Which races were you watching replays of with me in them? And what's your psn? There's a chance I might have saved the replay too.

I was starting 15th I think at Catalunya race C. Lol that’s the only time I’ve seen ya in game. It was the one with the weird ghosted car driving around that was aqua? colored. Lol I got overtaken by it.
I’m in the matte Chevy. I’ll get the date and time of the replay when I am on the game later.

 

[bdubclub]

Hey Raveniix! Great to meet you here and on the track. I gotta say you’re super fast and clean, and I’ve had some great races with you, usually just trying to keep up!

Thanks for the compliments man it means a lot. It’s been about 8 months with wheel and almost 1 year in the game. I tend to get pretty obsessive with whatever I’m currently into, so once I felt I had a little talent for it I dropped some other hobbies and just raced, but still usually only race 2-3 days a week if that....but on those days I get my money’s worth for sure, lol.

I should have ditched auto and TC months ago but it’s a bad habit that’s hard to break for me. I do often qualify without TC but in race I use it for safety and consistency that I haven’t found yet. So far I only use manual in the slower cars, sometimes Gr.4 but usually just N-class because that’s where I can feel myself losing the most time. One day....maybe!?

I haven’t done race C yet but I love driving the Red Bull standard. I saw others saying it’s a no pit race, but is that only possible if you conserve? Since I’m just an auto-transmission pleb I’m always stuck mapping fuel instead of short shifting, which is a definite disadvantage.

Likewise man nice running into you. You are still very early in your sim racing career, and it seems your learning curve is steep, you will have it down in no time. Look forward to many great races in the future.

 

[Jamie Bbbbb]

First race back in a month after quitting the game

Pole position...

Blue screen.

 

[Melbourne Park]

Race C has been interesting this week with the quick guys starting deeper in the pack behind those who have cheated but don't have great pace, it gives the races a different complexion. The track helps too with the long corners at the start of the lap, it's possible to run around the outside if the inside lane gets bottled up. It's nice to race clean but you also can't afford to lose too much time stuck behind slower cars which aren't ahead through legitimate qualifying pace, the good ol' Nascar bump and run works well for those, hard enough to create a cars width, light enough to not give away a penalty.

I think the game should work out the physics, and if a car is coming from behind at a higher speed than the corner would allow, and there is a car in that place of the corner ie a collision will occur - then the car which is going too fast and will cause the collision should turn into a shadow and just drive though the properly cornering car and it'll just drive off that track.

This would also mean drivers wouldn't need a penalty for driving off the track as they would not be hurting anyone else, as long as they didn't gain time ... it annoys me that if I make a mistake - like in the chicane before the starting straight at Catalunyia - you come off the main straight, you brake severely and turn left, then you cross and apex on the left and then an apex on the right, a short straight and then you hit the chicane. I went a wide into the first right hander and while turning right, I went too deep by a touch on the left side ... and I copped a 3 second penalty. I lost time by going too far left ... I guess I may as well have just gone right through the whole chicane and copped maybe the same penalty, or who know how much ... but why penalise when you actually loose time and don't touch or hurt anybody?

 

[teebone]

Didn’t try it myself but I saw a few others attempt it and fail. The two last night ended up in 8th and 9th, but they sure did a heck of a job disrupting the leading pack on our way out of the pits. We all passed them in 2 laps, despite their blocking. I think if you’re in a slower lobby or playing late at night it was possible to do well no-stopping but if there are guys with low 1:46 or 1:45 qualy times it’s probably not worth it because you’re losing time on fuel and tires. I think the better bet was pitting early and going for the undercut if you can avoid traffic. Total time for winners that I saw varied between 19:58 and 20:15 and I doubt that can be done without stopping.....but maybe! I’ve been wrong before and will be again.

Thanks for the feedback guys!

I should mention, i was no stopping in the porsche all week. Like someone said above, just have to drive smooth and you can make it. i agree however that in a fast room, if you cant turn low 147's while saving tires and fuel, you will not gain much by no stopping. i had a great qualy time and usually started top 3 so no stopping meant: letting people by before the first round of pit stops on lap 5, then trying to be fast in the clean air and then doing damage control when the second round of pit stops came back on track on lap 7. It would typically be in me 1st but then eventually let 1, 2 and maybe 3rd place by. i was usually able to hang onto a podium. my best total time was a 20:20 no stopping. but one thing i could not avoid was getting into accidents. someone hits me even when i leave the inside wide open, because i know i am going slow due to my strategy. or pushing me wide on the sweepers. then the race is over because slow pace + an "off" and a stop = DR loss lol.

 

[ASH32]

Being punted off is very annoying but the ghosting that goes on is just stupid, it needs to go (except for lapped cars) rather than being increased. In one of my races from the back I was behind a driver who was holding me up and I finally got the inside in the braking zone, I slowed and blocked off the inside line and slowly accelerated away, position mine, or so I thought, the other driver just drove clean through my car as they were a ghost and then held me up some more before I eventually got past. That sort of stuff just doesn't belong in the game and if you increase ghosting then it will happen on a more regular basis and I can't support that no matter how annoying being unfairly punted off by an idiot is.

 

[stpatty]

Just got a 24.5 second penalty for turning left too soon at the last part of the Porsche curves. I'm not sure the time added is proportionate to the time gained.

 

[ASH32]

Just got a 24.5 second penalty for turning left too soon at the last part of the Porsche curves. I'm not sure the time added is proportionate to the time gained.

Yes that's just a touch too harsh there.

 

[ScottPuss20]

Just got a 24.5 second penalty for turning left too soon at the last part of the Porsche curves. I'm not sure the time added is proportionate to the time gained.

Wow what the hell

 

[stpatty]

Yes that's just a touch too harsh there.

Wow what the hell

See also: a wheel's width too tight at the turn at the top of the straight, 15 seconds.

Since there was talk of raising your DR a few pages back, I think this Le Mans race could work, assuming you can both afford and drive the car. Keep it on the road and you're pretty much guaranteed to beat most B level drivers.

 

[Pigems]

I haven’t been on to try the new races for this week yet but I do like the looks of race A, I used to own an actual RX7 at one time, though it wasn’t the one in the race lol. It is one of my favourite cars though, so I think I’m gonna like that race. What’s the best cars for race B this week? I don’t think I’ll do well at race C, that car is waaay to fast haha.

 

[manion]

Yes that's just a touch too harsh there.

Copped a 28.3 second penalty for the same thing last night. Knew I was getting a penalty but thought maybe 2 or 3 seconds not 28!

Dr is up to nearly 40k but racing through the mid pack is pretty bad for your sr and that has dropped to 61. Might have to do an actual qually time tonight and get the sr back so I dont get reset again

 

[Winnie847]

Just got a 24.5 second penalty for turning left too soon at the last part of the Porsche curves. I'm not sure the time added is proportionate to the time gained.

Haha! I remember one time at a race there in Gr.1 I completely missed the braking point for the first chicane after the long straight and just went straight through the sand and the barriers. It gave me a 1-minute penalty!!! I mean, it was a terrible mistake on my part and I may have gained a second or two....but definitely didn't gain a minute, lol. That was one of the only times I've ever just quit the race. I found it hilarious more than anything.

 

[Yard_Sale]

Is it just me or did they tweak the penalty system a bit with the new update?

 

[Saur]

View attachment 781000 Welp, got into a race with #1 on the Race C leaderboard and didn’t even make it through the loading screen.

Edit: WTF kicked out of it again... come on PD, I have a steady 4-bar connection and people with 1-bar were STILL able to race the whole time.

Edit 2: Aaaaand with the third time, I'm done for the day.

Are you getting the bug where you get kicked out of the lobbies if you don’t restart the game every couple of races? That definitely doesn’t depend on connection.

 

[TetsuKobura]

Are you getting the bug where you get kicked out of the lobbies if you don’t restart the game every couple of races? That definitely doesn’t depend on connection.

That’s an incredibly stupid bug that I would’ve hoped PD had fixed by now.

 

[Melbourne Park]

did anyone run a no stopper in race C last week? did you find it successful?

Yes I did. In the Porsche, my first races. I am a "B" driver and started two months ago, I'm also 64 years. First race I was in the top 4 and found myself in front after peopled pitted. Before the race in qualifying I went into the pits to find out where the entrance was and how tricky it was to get in - I hit the left side wall as I drove into the pits. So I was nervous about stopping. I had driven at Bathurst a few weeks ago when you had to pit, so I knew I could save fuel. I realised after a few laps that maybe i could make it to the end. I finished second.

The next race I won doing the same thing, my memory for the overall time was the second digits were 23 .... but later on I was not able to get that time. Not sure why as I got faster as the week went forward.

I had a few more places before ending up with A A+ drivers mostly. I still did OK but I started to use the pitstop strategy, because there was too much going on for me to fiddle with fuel and I was keen to retain my "S" for good behaviour rating, and I couldn't do that while fiddling with fuel. I don't think I am hard on the tyres though. I think TC also saves fuel, as does changing the power levels - I used maximum or one off maximum on the main straight and the second large straight, otherwise I had the fuel turned around middle, up or down depending on what I felt like at the time.

Before the all A races I had a memorable race with someone who pitted and I got the lead, they went in and came out behind me, and then they caught me and I allowed them to pass without driving defensively. Then I started to gain on them so their tyres did not seem as good as mine, despite my not having pitted. I almost caught the leader but made a mistake on one corner and I might have made it otherwise.

So the 911 doesn't use it tyres harshly IMO but then perhaps I am not so harsh on the tyres. Also I think using TC saves fuel and tyres. I used it for all the Catalunya races in the 911. Heresy.

 

[Invisigoth]

Haha! I remember one time at a race there in Gr.1 I completely missed the braking point for the first chicane after the long straight and just went straight through the sand and the barriers. It gave me a 1-minute penalty!!! I mean, it was a terrible mistake on my part and I may have gained a second or two....but definitely didn't gain a minute, lol. That was one of the only times I've ever just quit the race. I found it hilarious more than anything.

I didn't think you could do that in GTS? I tried it during an offline race and was re-spawned before the chicane. A 24s penalty does seem a bit harsh. I wonder if they relate it to DR. The most I had as a single penalty was 3s. I'd accumulated 6s which dropped to 4 eventually. I'm pretty sure my track violations would have been worse than @stpatty 's.

 

[Baleb26]

Guys, I'm obviously doing something wrong with daily race and racing in general.

I look at your amazing graphics in this thread, where you get thousands of DR in15-16 days, and then look at my (and cry).

Any advices?

I can feel your pain. I peaked in the mid 23k but can't seem to get above this. The frustration just compounds when I qualify in a good position then stuff it up by losing focus.....