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I had a great week at Suzuka. I was just gifted a podium so I think I'll end the Sport Mode week there. Lucky.

Almost every race I was in was clean and fun. It was exhilarating yet comfortable. TBH I'm not sure I'll ever have a better week of racing.
 
sturk0167
Right. It would be a gamble to enter, not knowing what fate has in store for you. :nervous:
What I had in mind was basically a test of who can adapt the quickest, rather than our current setup, which gives people a week to figure it out.
Imagine the hilarity of Gr.1 at Tsukuba. :lol:
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Yeah i know what you're saying and can see why people would enjoy the equality of it, but i would be pretty dissapointed to log on, wait for race entry, to get a rubbish combo, or to get a good one and know its not coming up again? I couldn't be bothered with that personally.

ARTAsean
IMO going back to just Race A on a 24 hour cycle is a better solution than a Race D which is dividing the player pool even more.

By nature, Race A being weekly doesn't make sense. A quick-fix short race that people can squeeze in on weeknights without having to spend hours qualifying. That should be A. It gives people a reason to log in every day and see what the new race is. It also gives them a chance to try new DLC cars on a daily basis.

It also lets PD take a little more risk with car choices. When do we ever get Super Car one-make races? If people are afraid to drive a F50, they'd only have to wait 24 hours. Now, PD picks "safe" cars that we endure for a whole week. Ugh!
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Yeah, that wouldn't be hard to do, and PD would be giving the best of both worlds then
 
ARTAsean
While I've gotten 13 wins using the clutch + shifter, Ive also been beaten by a couple people who clearly weren't using it which is incredible for them, they were running low 1:05 laps in race trim. Amazing pace. That means they'd be in 1:04 if they had a shifter.
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Does this apply to Gr.4/3, too? how much is to be gained there?
 
Well, I was running times laps for race C and got down to a 56.4, so I decided to try out a race. Went in as DR-C, SR-S. After 2 races I'm still DR-C, but down 500 points, and SR-C. Went from 83 to 38. Got tagged in the first sharp double right, spun around and hit twice more before I could get up to speed. My races didn't look anything like the race posted above. There were guys that would just slam people into the wall if they got along side. I just don't get it. Maybe they think that if they crash everyone they might end up in front and get a win.
 
But there are lots of combinations that would work well ... love the idea of such a draw. The qualifying would have more validity too as you'd get little time ... so base it on qualifying and SR.

Another idea too might be to base your grip position after your first race, on your race fastest lap. That would also have more validity IMO.

Rex maybe you need to purely focus on avoiding people until you get a good SR. The races are pretty different in SR S and even A IMO.
 
8:30 pm race, yep it seems the clean races are done. Tempers are heating up, dumb overtakes are happening again. Perhaps it's an outlier, I'll find out soon enough. I got bumped around and slammed into the pit wall, no penalty yet neutral S already. Time for a focus shift, less racing, more avoiding. Sunday evening has arrived.

9pm race, more dumb moves. I didn't catch the last second swerve block on time at the hairpin before the pit. A Ford, that should already have been braking, swerved in my way right before my brake point (I was on the inside). I bump him, he bumps the car in front of him, who bumps the car in front of him into the wall. I got from 10th to 7th, no penalty. Did the system get smarter or did I just get lucky. Don't swerve in a braking zone...

9:30pm, a bit better. I finish 7th again without any contacts, still no clean race bonus. I had a few of those last week yet they are rare. Perhaps the track limits are more strict for the bonus on this track. Unfortunately there is no way to tell when you lose the bonus.

10pm, I get bumped into a wall twice, same car both times who received 3 sec for it each time, then he quit. I finish 10th, behind @NosOsH again. It seems the room is getting a bit faster.

10:30pm, dirty mess. I did not escape it all. A DR.C driver punts me into another car, both me and the other car go into the wall. The DR.C driver gets 3 sec, I get 5 sec penalty... It's all good, in the end I have a great clean battle with another driver and would have finished 6th if it weren't for the penalty. 7th again. -6 SR for getting punted. Lot of red in that room.

11pm, still dirty, but I survive. Back to 99 SR, however I lost concentration for 1 second and bumped a wall, 5 sec penalty. Could have had 6th, finished 7th again. It does seem to get a bit cleaner now, less crazy risky manoevers observed.

11:30pm, dirtier than the 11pm race, or rather more agressive. It's probably only going to get worse as matchmaking will be adding lower SR soon. I did make it to 6th this time, no penalty to spoil my position. Still no clean race bonus. Enough for today.
 
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But there are lots of combinations that would work well ... love the idea of such a draw. The qualifying would have more validity too as you'd get little time ... so base it on qualifying and SR.

Another idea too might be to base your grip position after your first race, on your race fastest lap. That would also have more validity IMO.

Rex maybe you need to purely focus on avoiding people until you get a good SR. The races are pretty different in SR S and even A IMO.
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I was SR-S when I raced my first C race. I got caught in the mayhem and some of the people in the back had no interest in trying to be clean. Everybody around them pays for that.

Sven Jurgens
8:30 pm race, yep it seems the clean races are done. Tempers are heating up, dumb overtakes are happening again. Perhaps it's an outlier, I'll find out soon enough. I got bumped around and slammed into the pit wall, no penalty yet neutral S already. Time for a focus shift, less racing, more avoiding. Sunday evening has arrived.

9pm race, more dumb moves. I didn't catch the last second swerve block on time at the hairpin before the pit. A Ford, that should already have been braking, swerved in my way right before my brake point (I was on the inside). I bump him, he bumps the car in front of him, who bumps the car in front of him into the wall. I got from 10th to 7th, no penalty. Did the system get smarter or did I just get lucky. Don't swerve in a braking zone...

9:30pm, a bit better. I finish 7th again without any contacts, still no clean race bonus. I had a few of those last week yet they are rare. Perhaps the track limits are more strict for the bonus on this track. Unfortunately there is no way to tell when you lose the bonus.

10pm, I get bumped into a wall twice, same car both times who received 3 sec for it each time, then he quit. I finish 10th, behind @NosOsH again. It seems the room is getting a bit faster.

10:30pm, dirty mess. I did not escape it all. A DR.C driver punts me into another car, both me and the other car go into the wall. The DR.C driver gets 3 sec, I get 5 sec penalty... It's all good, in the end I have a great clean battle with another driver and would have finished 6th if it weren't for the penalty. 7th again. -6 SR for getting punted. Lot of red in that room.
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I know from your posts that you get a lot of practice working traffic, and you maintain your S rating (for the most part) even starting at the back. You seem to gather a lot of data on penalties because of this, so maybe you can answer this question for me. Do you know how the game reacts to bump drafting? I have no desire to hit anyone, and I don't ever want a penalty if I can avoid it, but I often find myself backing out of the throttle to keep from hitting someone, but I don't have the speed to actually attempt a pass. In the right situation, a bump might help both of us pull clear of traffic so we can sort it out between ourselves later. Do you know if such a bump, where neither car has any negative effect, will pull a penalty? I get the feeling that the outcome may be random.
 
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Rexracer702
I know from your posts that you get a lot of practice working traffic, and you maintain your S rating (for the most part) even starting at the back. You seem to gather a lot of data on penalties because of this, so maybe you can answer this question for me. Do you know how the game reacts to bump drafting? I have no desire to hit anyone, and I don't ever want a penalty if I can avoid it, but I often find myself backing out of the throttle to keep from hitting someone, but I don't have the speed to actually attempt a pass. In the right situation, a bump might help both of us pull clear of traffic so we can sort it out between ourselves later. Do you know if such a bump, where neither car has any negative effect, will pull a penalty? I get the feeling that the outcome may be random.
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Bump drafting used to work perfectly. Now, the person you bump gets a serious SR down. I accidentally bump drafted a guy from S to A and it only took about 1 lap of Le Mans. So it's a pretty big SR hit.
 
Rexracer702
I know from your posts that you get a lot of practice working traffic, and you maintain your S rating (for the most part) even starting at the back. You seem to gather a lot of data on penalties because of this, so maybe you can answer this question for me. Do you know how the game reacts to bump drafting? I have no desire to hit anyone, and I don't ever want a penalty if I can avoid it, but I often find myself backing out of the throttle to keep from hitting someone, but I don't have the speed to actually attempt a pass. In the right situation, a bump might help both of us pull clear of traffic so we can sort it out between ourselves later. Do you know if such a bump, where neither car has any negative effect, will pull a penalty? I get the feeling that the outcome may be random.
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What ARTAsean said, it's usually the car in front that gets the SR Down, although the car behind likely still gets some points deducted. If you are really careful you can gently push, don't bump, carefully lock bumpers. It doesn't help much though, by the time you are in position a corner is likely to turn up. I went to SR.C on Bluemoon bay from bump drafting and was stuck there for the week.
 
Two races in the new Race C at Tokyo East Outer loop and finally 2 poles and 2 wins in the McLaren Gr4!
I know it's early days and the Aus/NZ is weak, but I'll take my first win ever in the McLaren Gr4 :). The screenshot is from my second race were suddenly more 650s turned up after I was the only one in the first race. The guy in 2nd tried to no-stop on softs but didn't make it work. For the McLaren at least, 1 stop going softs-softs works best.

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Pretty sure the McLaren isn't the car to use, but I'll take my moment in the sun!
 
Hoof Arted
Two races in the new Race C at Tokyo East Outer loop and finally 2 poles and 2 wins in the McLaren Gr4!
I know it's early days and the Aus/NZ is weak, but I'll take my first win ever in the McLaren Gr4 :). The screenshot is from my second race were suddenly more 650s turned up after I was the only one in the first race. The guy in 2nd tried to no-stop on softs but didn't make it work. For the McLaren at least, 1 stop going softs-softs works best.

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Pretty sure the McLaren isn't the car to use, but I'll take my moment in the sun!
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Good win, considering that car is garbage. I respect people like you using unconventional cars to win or do good at least
Come to think of it, I think I’ve seen your name on CapraKiwi’s streams.
For my tale, had a good race win Kin’s Veyron while I used the British Aston. This is a really interesting race in terms of tyre wear. Fuel consumption is nothing to worry about however.
I won that race, Kin I think would’ve got second if it weren’t for an idiot in a Huracán, who also managed a good job of slowing me down for a coupke of laps.
Then, after that, I did the Tesla one make winning twice! I like how the Tesla drives. Really good for a 2 ton car! The brakes are tricky however if you mash the pedal all the way. Got myself to 80 wins as a result, and gained a little over 300 dr. Not bad considering I made up the dr I lost yesterday.
 
Anyone getting a (CE-38700-8) error just after the race starts ?

Happening to me loads over the last couple of weeks.

It happens right at the start after the 3 second count down.

And I lost 900 DR and 8 SR...
 
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One can only see how good sport mode is when joins the private lobbies :D Entered a full lobby and it was 90% italians. The only rule seemed to be - don't use brakes, use someone else's rear bumper. Literally every corner at Dragon Trail someone was knocked out. The race was really fun, but it is not really a race
 
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. The only rule seemed to be - don't use brakes, use someone else's rear bumper.
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This sounds like race C for me today, SR down :cheers:
Its hard to get out of the way when your walled in, anyone got any tips (other than avoiding sport mode)
I might have to just trundle round at the rear trying to keep it clean. Can't get rear ended if your last..
 
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This sounds like race C for me today, SR down :cheers:
Its hard to get out of the way when your walled in, anyone got any tips (other than avoiding sport mode)
I might have to just trundle round at the rear trying to keep it clean. Can't get rear ended if your last..
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Until you get lapped :lol:. Would be interesting if they unghosted back markers ;).
 
Race A is the Tesla S? Anyone find the Ludicrous mode button? :sly:

* tried the Tesla. So quiet. So weird. Hit the wall once and it didn't ghost, just sat there parked sideways, then had to go back and forth until I faced forward again. I'm staying away from Tokyo this week.
 
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So, I did a bit more testing for race C, this morning. My top 3 fastest cars are pretty close to each other in time. It made me think about something.
Not that I'll be anywhere near the top ten, but it would be cool if it were allowed for someone to post 2 top ten times in 2 different cars.
They are certainly guys capable of doing that.

p.s.
Why the heck should it be allowed to use your qualifying time from a different car than the one you're using?
Although, I will admit it was pretty funny when @Sven Jurgens did this to start near the front of the field at Lemans in his Raptor. :lol:
 
Maggiore is so awesome, I like even more in this direction. Oddly while hotlapping thought "I'd love to try that with PC2s physics engine". No way of that happening obviously, but this track is awesome to drive.
Anyway with the amounts of Tokyo, this will be the only one to drive this week as part of the dailys. Had an very good race there, me with a Corvette against a GTR (got the same gtr as bonus after the race :dopey:) . Because of the different cars, we had different lines, stop points and behaviors through the fast turns, resulting a few change of places and exchaing of paints. I hope people continue trying different cars and not ending in all 911s in the starting grid. Races are so much more fun that way.
 
This was my only win on Race C past week.
It was far from clean and I messed up the first lap completely by missing a turn, smashing the wall and received a 5 sec penalty and leaving me in 9th position after serving the penalty, also in the 2nd lap I passed someone while scraping him from the inside at the U turn near the pit, but I didn't think I had slowed him down that much so I just took advantage of the situation, got lucky I didn't get a penalty for that (Sorry jorgepxr50-silva).
And had some minor bumps with other cars front and back but thankfully (magically) got no SR down for those.
All in all I got lucky the other drivers were making many errors as well, I shouldn't have won that race after the first crash.
 
Wow, racing C where everyone online got dumped into same race basically, ranged from A/S to E/D..

What to expect really, everyone bar winner had penalties, averaging 20s, insane!

One specific pearl kept draft-ramming me from behind on start/finish straight just so I would get sr down(which I did every single time he touched me), then slammed me into the wall at the following righthander, 9s to me, he totalled over 25s, no idea how he didn't DQ.

It's so frustrating trying to run clean and ending up with such people..
 
Is it really a Tesla for Race A this week? That’s gonna be interesting, and quiet lol.

Also, for One Make reaches, is BoP really necessary? All the cars are identical, they don’t really need to be evened out in a OM do they?
 
Pigems
Is it really a Tesla for Race A this week? That’s gonna be interesting, and quiet lol.

Also, for One Make reaches, is BoP really necessary? All the cars are identical, they don’t really need to be evened out in a OM do they?
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I think the BOP is fine there. Makes it a race where drivers have to show their abilities to control a car: unnecessary steering movements, perfect braking, perfect line, perfect throttle.
 
Tried all 3 new races, and dare I say it, actually enjoyed a couple of races at the older Tokyo tracks.

Race A
Tesla fits nicely round this config of Tokyo, you can either be careful with the throttle and steering in order to keep traction in the corners, or turn in early and powerslide. It is unusually quiet but the constant speed round this track works in its favour as you don't need the audio cue so much as you never need to brake hard. Podium finish but not exciting or deep enough for me this week.

Race B
Lake Maggiore GP esreveR is a track I know well the other way round, but it feels alien this way to me. I picked a Hurracan and its sliiiideyy which is a bad combo for the series of curves on offer. Still, had a good race. SR up again, so A and B this week are quite safe.

Race C
This was the best of the old Tokyo circuits. Went with my gold Veyron, and quickly came to the conclusion that people really can't drive as I saw more wallbangers than a freshers party, but had fun gaining positions and watching 3 cars all hit each other like bowling pins at the end of the back straight before the hairpin. SR up again. No need for stopping, did the whole race on Hard tyres and the time lost on the last lap or two when they were going off is not worth the stop. It would be if the race were a couple of laps longer. Would say the Veyron's key plus of top speed was not as valuable here as expected. I found I gained on Lambo's round the curves at the back, but couldn't catch the Porsche or shake the Lambo on the long straight. It seems like the BOP for this track is quite level. Going to try a few different cars here.
 
I've been trying some cars out on Tokyo today on medium tires. Ferrari, Huracan, Corvette and SLS AMG. The huracan seems fastest so far yet the medium tires are pretty worn by the end of the race. A one stop on softs might be faster over all, yet for now I'll stick to mediums for the entire race to compare times.

Driving standards are not bad for Tokyo so far, best was a 3rd place. Next race is up!

Ok, now the schools are out Tokyo turned into a mess. Especially with a laggy one bar connection thrown in the middle. Destruction derby mode. Even though I avoided all the accidents and had no penalties my SR was still white from all the bumps and shunts. Cars driving around with 15 sec of penalties or more were common. I finally escaped the mess to finish 8th. Tokyo: brakes optional, cars and walls will guide you around corners.
 
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I decided to only set a time for Race A and to get used to the Tesla. At first it was more like a merry-fishtail-around but it got better from lap to lap once I managed to steer smoothly and brake or rather just lift before turns. 1:40 so far but I know there‘s some time left for me on the track.

Action for me was Race C. My Q-Lap is 2:11,4. So I started from the last third of the field for all three races.

The first one I started on softs with the Cayman and planned one stop. Wreckfest with a red S and many positions lost.

After seeing that PD put a generous of fuel in the tank and the very light tire wear I decided to run on mediums for Race 2 and 3. Both races made me gain 4 Positions and ended with a blue S.

Even though the last two races were quite successful I lost ~1200 DR today. Yesterday I was scratching about 20 points below the C-B threshold. Well, at least not one of these steep drops. I‘m quite pleased with todays result (considering the horror stories I read about C today).

What‘s really dissapointing is the choice of the META. All fields I joined today were about 75% Huracán. I understand that people want the best possible chances to win the race, but everybody driving the same car is kinda boring. PD should probably take the car chosen for the session into account when searching for opponents or (and this would make things interesting) limit a player to the car he used when setting his Q-Lap while also enforcing every driver to qualify.
 
TTM
Good win, considering that car is garbage. I respect people like you using unconventional cars to win or do good at least
Come to think of it, I think I’ve seen your name on CapraKiwi’s streams.
For my tale, had a good race win Kin’s Veyron while I used the British Aston. This is a really interesting race in terms of tyre wear. Fuel consumption is nothing to worry about however.
I won that race, Kin I think would’ve got second if it weren’t for an idiot in a Huracán, who also managed a good job of slowing me down for a coupke of laps.
Then, after that, I did the Tesla one make winning twice! I like how the Tesla drives. Really good for a 2 ton car! The brakes are tricky however if you mash the pedal all the way. Got myself to 80 wins as a result, and gained a little over 300 dr. Not bad considering I made up the dr I lost yesterday.
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Thanks man! Early in the week is the best time to mess around and get good results with unconventional cars. I think the MR layout really suits the fast curvy bits of the track, so the McLaren on softs wasn't as bad as I thought and it has decent top-end speed. Yeah, I'm on CapraKiwi's friends list and he was in my first race so I probably made an appearance on his stream/youtube. In fact @CapraKiwi is a good example of how someone can gradually improve over time after switching off driving aids. His really early races he was low-mid DR-B using ASM, CSM, TC even on FWD cars! Now after switching them off he's low-Mid DR-A and doing well.

As for race C, I think the Huracan is a good hot-lap car but any 4WD or FF will struggle with tyrewear in race conditions. MR suits the fast curves and maybe the Cayman could no-stop (on softs?) as it's really good on tyres, but I'm not sure about it's speed on the straight. Not sure about FR cars, but the Aston, Jag, Mustang to name a few have good top speed but I'm unsure about tyres. Plenty of cars to try out!
 
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