"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[beegentoo]

So... regarding driving aids...

When I started racing in sports mode I had the intention of being „honorable“ and had everything turned off. Then I set ABS to weak. Then (with last weeks Fuji) I set it to standard and turned TCS on (something between 1 and 3). And after reading the last replys here I enabled CSA. I was able to set a 1:37 in Ausuckolis and even decrease my Bathurst time by 2s to 2:07.

Now my question: If even the top drivers and possibly every quick driver has these assists enabled (well, that‘s what I read between the lines), why should I try to be honorable and leave them off if that also means I will have nearly no chance of winning a race?

What do you guys think about it?

(Please note: I do not judge anybody if she or he uses these assists since they are not prohibited by the rules.)

 

[sturk0167]

Please note: I do not judge anybody if she or he uses these assists since they are not prohibited by the rules.

Then why use the word "honorable"? I don't get it.

 

[LogSwapper]

Wait wait wait, so Fuji AND Suzuka next week..?!?

Spoiler

 

[absbrain]

So... regarding driving aids...

When I started racing in sports mode I had the intention of being „honorable“ and had everything turned off. Then I set ABS to weak. Then (with last weeks Fuji) I set it to standard and turned TCS on (something between 1 and 3). And after reading the last replys here I enabled CSA. I was able to set a 1:37 in Ausuckolis and even decrease my Bathurst time by 2s to 2:07.

Now my question: If even the top drivers and possibly every quick driver has these assists enabled (well, that‘s what I read between the lines), why should I try to be honorable and leave them off if that also means I will have nearly no chance of winning a race?

What do you guys think about it?

(Please note: I do not judge anybody if she or he uses these assists since they are not prohibited by the rules.)

There is nothing honourable or not in driving aids... Not all of us use same equipment (wheels and whatnot), so use what makes you faster. Some are faster without tc and abs, some not, same with at and Mt.. use what you need like, winning has nothing to do with it, zillion other things has

 

[Flash_Sweden]

I just finished my last race on the mountain for this time. An awesome race. Started P3, with a P1(McLaren F1) that had qualified 0,2 seconds better than me. Instantly set my strategy to stay behind, stay clean and save fuel. No problem whatsoever. Stayed whithin ~1 second behind P2 (an Evo), with P1 ~0,2 seconds ahead...with a 0,7 sec penalty.
P1 decided to check out the sand quality at Skyline on Lap 2, which gave me an easy P2.
The Evo got away from me down to the Elbow, but as soon as I could go flat out, I caught up to him. Cementing my strategy of saving fuel, and stayin safe and clean.

We both went for the pits on lap 5. That’s when I kind of knew that this race was mine to loose. I had 17 liters left, and he had 6. I left the pits in P2, with the Evo ~1-2 seconds behind, behind some British guy who decided to pit on lap 6.

After we left the pits, the gap between me and the Evo stayed at about 1-1,5 seconds, depending on where on the track we were. At one point it was up to ~3 seconds

But then, on the last lap, I lost all talent. Or he found some. Going up towards Skyline, he was ~0,3 seconds behind. I got the completely wrong line and cut some grass in the inside of T8 &T9 Luckily though, he went wide at McPhillamy Park, so I was safe...for now.

I then played it too safe at Forest elbow, so he was right on my rear bumper. But knowing the difference between the Evo and my mighty GT-R, I wasn’t too worried. Until I realized that he could slipstream all the way to The chase, and try to outbrake me. Which is very possible with me not being very used to defending a lead, and it being that specific corner. But, the Evo has nothing to put up against the GT-R. Despite him getting slipstream, I pulled away 👍

Coming in towards the kink, I held a wide line, allowing him to get on my inside. When my radar showed me being completely in front of him, I went to the right, staying in the middle of the track. He went for the tiny piece of tarmac between me and the grass, got the left wheels on the grass, and bumped into me, just as I started to brake. He then proceeded to slide across the track, and onto the grass on the other side.

Meanwhile, I stayed on track, and got the win with 1-2 seconds.

This almost makes up for the Russian that decided to divebomb me at Forest Elbow on the last lap, after I’d gone from P14 up to P6:censored: Ended up P12 in that race:censored:

And I have question that I’ve had on my mind since the Bathurst 12h. I know there’s some aussies here that might know. This also goes for other races I’ve watched with Australian commentators.

Why do they always, or at least 98 times of 100, refer to the race as a “motor race”? I’m pretty sure that the people watching knows that the cars have some sort of motor to make them go forward. I haven’t heard any other commentator with English as their native language say “motor race”. It’s just “race”. It doesn’t bother me, I just find it sort of funny

Edit: @beegentoo The top driver use no aids at all, except for ABS. All of the streams and videos I’ve seen with them in has only showed them using ABS. And with top driver I mean those who participated in the regional and world finals.

 

[beegentoo]

Then why use the word "honorable"? I don't get it.

That‘s why I put it in Quotes at the top. It was my personal feeling for me and I don‘t know a better word to express what I‘d like to say.

There is nothing honourable or not in driving aids... Not all of us use same equipment (wheels and whatnot), so use what makes you faster. Some are faster without tc and abs, some not, same with at and Mt.. use what you need like, winning has nothing to do with it, zillion other things has

*nods* Well I‘ve seen bickering in post race chats when somebody was using assists. I just wanted to know what others think about it, like if somebody using these assists isn‘t a honest guy.

 

[RSBDG1]

So... regarding driving aids...

When I started racing in sports mode I had the intention of being „honorable“ and had everything turned off. Then I set ABS to weak. Then (with last weeks Fuji) I set it to standard and turned TCS on (something between 1 and 3). And after reading the last replys here I enabled CSA. I was able to set a 1:37 in Ausuckolis and even decrease my Bathurst time by 2s to 2:07.

Now my question: If even the top drivers and possibly every quick driver has these assists enabled (well, that‘s what I read between the lines), why should I try to be honorable and leave them off if that also means I will have nearly no chance of winning a race?

What do you guys think about it?

(Please note: I do not judge anybody if she or he uses these assists since they are not prohibited by the rules.)

It comes down to you and how you feel about it. For me the only assit i use is ABS default. CSA is great and you will be faster with it on but i prefer not to use it, plus its not allowed in FIA. I have learnt to drive with TCS off and really enjoy it.

I don't think there is any point arguing with someone about driving aids it comes down to the experience you want for yourself.

 

[Melbourne Park]

So... regarding driving aids...

...
Now my question: If even the top drivers and possibly every quick driver has these assists enabled (well, that‘s what I read between the lines), why should I try to be honorable and leave them off if that also means I will have nearly no chance of winning a race?

What do you guys think about it?
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I had various aids to make me go faster. But by turning them off, when I got more experienced, I eventually went faster. They are about going faster - nothing else. I know that I brake better with ABS turned off - from high speed. But at slow corners, I lock up without any ABS. I wish I could adjust ABS whiles't driving, but I don't know how to, so I leave it on weak. I think in a pitstop race I might use TC because in theory it should save tyre wear .... but I don't know if it does. Having TC on now feels horrible to me - I am quite a bit slower with it on. I always spun with TC on 1 too - so TC 2 worked for me in for instance the GTR Porsche, a G.3 car. But when I have tried it now, its slow.

TC also will show you where you have wheel slip - the game doesn't tell you much about the drive wheels slipping IMO. But if you are slower in a part of the track but with TC on 2 your faster there - that shows me that I need to be smoother with the throttle in that spot, because my wheels must be slipping, or even use a higher gear in that spot where TC-2 is quicker. The aids are tools and part of the game, and a great part IMO.

 

[O604]

Japanese track quiz.

Which "motor" company operates the following,

1) Fuji
2) Suzuka
3) Autopolis

Spoiler

1) Toyota (since 2000. Mitsubishi originally)
2) Honda
3) Kawasaki

 

[Melbourne Park]

I did it! The last race to get to A+ was a nail biter. I started in second. The Brazilian behind me bumped me off at Kallenhard yet didn't manage to pass and got a 4 second penalty for it. Unfortunately that made it impossible to catch up with first, plus that 4 sec was no deterrent for the laggy Brazilian to draft too close on more occasions. He bumped me again a couple corners before the straight yet I managed to hang on and he got the SR Down for it.

Mission accomplished

That previous peak to A+ was on the Nordschleife as well.

This is from the race I caught some air

The Argentinian behind me side bumped me wide first, then my rear bumper causing me to veer over the kerbs. He got off worse, he's behind my car in the guard rail. I won that race

Now I need a break, breakfast and a shower. Great racing today (apart from the laggy bumpers)

If you had stayed wide (the right side of the track on the grass, you'd have launched further into the air, there's a bump or a dip followed by a bump there, I know it well ... I used not to brake entering that corner behind ... but would sometimes run off ... And I made some big jumps. I've also tried your recovery route, which will find the armco on the other side of the road ... did you cop a penalty? I always do ... My time is 8:062 with my first qualifying attempt for 3 days ... and I was 0.4 up on my second lap, and my wife called me ... sheesh ... I wish I'd had more time to work that earlier corner out, there's lots of time to gain there IMO.

......

Japanese track quiz.

Which "motor" company operates the following,

1) Fuji
2) Suzuka
3) Autopolis

Jeez I thought it was the other way around with Fuji and Suzuka ...

Japanese track quiz.

.......

Japanese track quiz.

Which "motor" company operates the following,

1) Fuji
2) Suzuka
3) Autopolis

Jeez I had Fuji and Suzuka the wrong way around ....

 

[Sven Jurgens]

If you had stayed wide (the right side of the track on the grass, you'd have launched further into the air, there's a bump or a dip followed by a bump there, I know it well ... I used not to brake entering that corner behind ... but would sometimes run off ... And I made some big jumps. I've also tried your recovery route, which will find the armco on the other side of the road ... did you cop a penalty? I always do ... My time is 8:062 with my first qualifying attempt for 3 days ... and I was 0.4 up on my second lap, and my wife called me ... sheesh ... I wish I'd had more time to work that earlier corner out, there's lots of time to gain there IMO.

No penalty as the Argentinian hit me which resulted in that jump. Clean race bonus. I still lose time in the first section which always makes me prone to getting punted. Staying with all 4 wheels on the road there is not appreciated lol. The second half is my strong part where I usually catch back up to the leader. The left turn at Metzgesfeld is my Achilles heel.

 

[neomoppy]

I’m not the best. Been driving race a. I just can’t get under 1.08 quali. Any tips?? Just ranked up to c. But can anyone tell me why this did not get a penalty??

 

[watto79]

I’m not the best. Been driving race a. I just can’t get under 1.08 quali. Any tips?? Just ranked up to c. But can anyone tell me why this did not get a penalty??

Watch replays in the top 10 but a wide line into and out of turn 2 is key. You carry a lot more speed up the hill to the last corner if you get it right.

For your video, the car that was hit didn't go off track or hit a wall, so the game doesn't consider it a penalty. It's a flaw but it is what it is.

 

[MattJones_e36]

CSA on strong definitely helps on twitchy rear wheel drive road cars, like the Fiat, Z8 and Honda Beat , just to quote some from recent daily A races. I felt it was essential to turn that assist on to shave those last seconds for qualifying, the car slides way less with it on. Didn't felt it did much on Weak or on FF cars though, and the car gets pretty stiff with CSA on strong, driving with it gets kinda... artificial i'd say. Playing on DS4 just fyi.

 

[Melbourne Park]

No penalty as the Argentinian hit me which resulted in that jump. Clean race bonus. I still lose time in the first section which always makes me prone to getting punted. Staying with all 4 wheels on the road there is not appreciated lol. The second half is my strong part where I usually catch back up to the leader. The left turn at Metzgesfeld is my Achilles heel.

I found more speed in the first section with just a couple of changes, I was getting caned there.

Firstly I adjust my brakes from +2 to the middle (0) for big high speed braking at the Aremberg, remembering to turn in early to let the understeer do its work and get onto the power as early as I can there almost straight away - which often opens a gap behind me. But probably not with you!! I also found going well to the right for the left corner at the sort of chicane at Adenauer Forst - before where you got pushed off - opens up the corner and gives a faster exit onto the straight which leads to the one where you got bumped. Do people take that left kink without braking? It works sometimes but not on others - I suspect the good guys do not brake there ... the one who hit you clearly did not, but probably messed it up ... I'm convinced the game is not consistent there.

You know this but it might help others - (I am not fast guys but I know what its like to want to improve) - I then try and brake in a straight line as much as I can; and try to get the car as straight as I can because it accelerates better when its straight. I also turn the brakes to 0 - middle - for the final big braking. Early on I found +_2 was faster - but now, I am not sure if it makes a difference. But +2 with major braking - IMO it lessens the deceleration from very high speeds. Thinking about that, it should also be at middle for the important braking at Steilstrecke's right hander, which leads onto the Karasel (please excuse the lack of spelling).

I started my new account this week, and got it to "A" with 50 races and 15 winds I think, all at the Nord. My main account is Blitztoo and my secondary account is To_Blitz, but the only way I can get Kudos to load its stats is by clicking on my qualifying time's name ... strange. There might be a white space in my name, before or after it I am guessing.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

What do you guys think about it?

I think it depends what your goals are in this game. If you want to improve as a driver on a personal level, don't use assists. It's much more rewarding knowing you've won a race without assists. If you feel more comfortable using assists, use them since there's no shame in doing so. Besides ABS Default, the only other assist I use is CSA on cars that I feel need it or I'm more comfortable running it with like the TVR Tuscan which I found was an oversteering mess without it.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I found more speed in the first section with just a couple of changes, I was getting caned there.

Firstly I adjust my brakes from +2 to the middle (0) for big high speed braking at the Aremberg, remembering to turn in early to let the understeer do its work and get onto the power as early as I can there almost straight away - which often opens a gap behind me. But probably not with you!! I also found going well to the right for the left corner at the sort of chicane at Adenauer Forst - before where you got pushed off - opens up the corner and gives a faster exit onto the straight which leads to the one where you got bumped. Do people take that left kink without braking? It works sometimes but not on others - I suspect the good guys do not brake there ... the one who hit you clearly did not, but probably messed it up ... I'm convinced the game is not consistent there.

You know this but it might help others - (I am not fast guys but I know what its like to want to improve) - I then try and brake in a straight line as much as I can; and try to get the car as straight as I can because it accelerates better when its straight. I also turn the brakes to 0 - middle - for the final big braking. Early on I found +_2 was faster - but now, I am not sure if it makes a difference. But +2 with major braking - IMO it lessens the deceleration from very high speeds. Thinking about that, it should also be at middle for the important braking at Steilstrecke's right hander, which leads onto the Karasel (please excuse the lack of spelling).

One big difference I notice racing just about everyone is how I take the karoussel (or however you spell that). I approach right onto the inner banked section while most people go in high to take it like a normal corner, merging into the banked part from higher up. However I find that hitting it right on at the correct speed carries me through better and that's where I usually lose the person behind me and start catching up to the front.

The same for the second banked section near the end. Hitting that right usually gains me a few tenths to half a sec on the person behind me. These banked sections are faster when hitting them low. Plus at karoussel it's a prefect set up for a pass. Car goes high, sneak on his inside to hit the banked section right on and zoom through.

I haven't touched brake bias since my experiment witt it (for 3 races) kept putting me in the grass. So at zero.

 

[ShiftingGears]

Even with a new track PD still manage to make the daily race list feel old and recycled. Outstanding.

 

[neomoppy]

The Csa tip just shaved 2 tenths off time. Thanks

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

I get that Fiat's are tiny, but what kind of driver dive bombs from 2 cars behind, 3 wide into the Maggiore hairpin? I should have blocked him, but instead I gave him the benefit of the doubt and let him take up the rumble strip on the inside even though it was obvious that he was going to ricochet off my inside line and mess me up. I went from 2nd to 4th, and he politely backed off as an apology. I totally understand he wasn't trying to ruin a race but what the hell was he thinking?

Despite that incident and constantly being rammed from the inside drivers on turn 1 (despite having the lead into the corner) I somehow crawled back and took a win. I think I dialed in my momentum out of turn 3 on the last 3 laps (finally getting a lap in the 1.07's) as I was gaining a crazy amount of ground on the leader. We actually ran two wide into the last hairpin and I played it safe and hogged on the inside line almost creating a pile up as everyone's engines had to bog down to not ram me.

These races are an emotional roller coaster.

 

[beegentoo]

One big difference I notice racing just about everyone is how I take the karoussel (or however you spell that). I approach right onto the inner banked section while most people go in high to take it like a normal corner, merging into the banked part from higher up. However I find that hitting it right on at the correct speed carries me through better and that's where I usually lose the person behind me and start catching up to the front.

Approaching Carraciola-Karussell got harder over the last few years. There used to be a tree that was higher than the other ones. If you aimed at this tree you smoothly went into the banking. Then this tree was gone (afaik it was removed when FIA demanded safety improvements about ten years ago) and you had to aim for the right border of the advertising board.

Schwalbenschwanz („Swallows tail“ or sometimes „Little Carousel“, the second banking) is usually taken with the right side wheels on or just below the border between the banked and unbanked part.

 

[Melbourne Park]

Approaching Carraciola-Karussell got harder over the last few years. There used to be a tree that was higher than the other ones. If you aimed at this tree you smoothly went into the banking. Then this tree was gone (afaik it was removed when FIA demanded safety improvements about ten years ago) and you had to aim for the right border of the advertising board.

Schwalbenschwanz („Swallows tail“ or sometimes „Little Carousel“, the second banking) is usually taken with the right side wheels on or just below the border between the banked and unbanked part.

This aiming for stuff is something I just don't do ... its on another level I guess. Above me!!!!

With the second one - Schwalbenschwanz - I ensure I am right in the banking but then I leave and it aim (hah hah) for a witches hat which I use in my setup, its on the other side of the track. I seem to go over a bit of the end of banking there. I used to be slow there, now I typically gain ground. I tend to back off a touch entering the long right hander next and maybe an alien would just use understeer there; likewise I cannot help but lift from full power for a split second on the middle part of that turn - I suspect all understeer and flat out would be faster ... such a sin to drive that way though ...

With the first one I just try and stay low and then I aim for an exit on the right, all in 3rd gear. I've also found shifting early in the horrible Evo does not slow me down. Except for the straight after the first Karussell - I leave it in fourth there, and it over revs, maybe max's out ... it must cost me a touch of time there - but the car stays very stable by avoiding 5th and then fourth again for the coming right hander which is important. i clip the whole left bit of corner there, its easy if I've left it in 4th. From 5th to 4th its very difficult for me to cut that left bit of the corner that sticks out as you approach the coming right hander, the gear change seems to de-stablize my Evo (its a bad Monday morning build it seems). I reckon some might rub that left side of the track too on the right hander and gain some entry speed ...

 

[Rexracer702]

Finally got my first win at the Nord. Race #5 since I qualified. 3 thirds, a fourth and finally this. Set my Q time in the pre-race. I'm just starting to feel like I know my way around this track. I would bet my optimum would be somewhere in the :10-:12 range now. I may run some laps later. Not sure why I didn't get the clean race, but I'll take it!

@Pigems Looks like you'll keep the lead with the Fiat. I can do 1:07.5's all day long, and have run strings of 7.1's, but can't seem to better my time even though I've made time on my ghost in both sectors and seen a 106.6xx as an optimum. Damn... Back to Suzuka I guess.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I tried the new track in professional league. I see the AI is still a joke, easy win on a track I've never seen before I still have a lot of improving to do since my laps were in the 1:44 range. The track looks pretty dull though, lot of bends, lot of staying in 3rd gear, hardly any elevation, pretty featureless and wide all the way through. Back to the Nord, a real track!

Starting 7th now

 

[Melbourne Park]

... However I find that hitting it right on at the correct speed carries me through better and that's where I usually lose the person behind me and start catching up to the front.

The same for the second banked section near the end. Hitting that right usually gains me a few tenths to half a sec on the person behind me. These banked sections are faster when hitting them low. Plus at karoussel it's a prefect set up for a pass. Car goes high, sneak on his inside to hit the banked section right on and zoom through.

I haven't touched brake bias since my experiment witt it (for 3 races) kept putting me in the grass. So at zero.

Sheesh - reckon I have an easy 8:05 now with those changes. They make so much sense. Its a public holiday today but I have to spend the whole day hanging paintings with my excited about the decor wife. DARN DARN ... i've not been able to race for a day now ...

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Wow that must have been a strong lobby, still gained DR finishing 5th with door number 1. 40 points, up is up. It's messy starting down in 7th and going from GR.2 to this thing, ouch.

 

[SpaceMaN47y0]

I hear ya, just had a lobby where I was the only C with all Ds. Nuts.

Had to. Good race but I f'ed up the last turn big time and fell to 3rd. Poo.

 

[Rangeraus]

For daily races, it feels like we hardly go 2 weeks without Fuji or Suzuka... or both. What's the deal?

Maggiore, Le Mans, Bathurst and Big Willow are the only other tracks that seem to get decent rotation. Red Bull Ring as well.

For Daily Races, I am not sure when was the last time we had:
- Circuit de Catalunya
- Blue Moon Bay (any variations)
- Dragon Trail Gardens
- Monza
- Tokyo Expressway (East variations)
- Kyoto Driving Park (all 3 variations)
- Brands Hatch
- Alsace Village

GTS is building it's track list nicely but Daily Races don't seem to reflect it.

 

[CrimsonKing]

Even with a new track PD still manage to make the daily race list feel old and recycled. Outstanding.

True. Why even bother adding new tracks if we are stuck with the same 3. St Croix is such a great track with several layouts but was only used once.
I guess it takes a lot of manpower and resources to plan these "dailies".

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I was up to a clean streak of 7 tonight, on a Sunday evening, until it got broken by what other than a laggy drafty Brazilian nose. No matter I reach all my goals this week and now having fun protecting another driver trying to reach A+. He's starting in front of me in second, Brazil behind me. I had several opportunities to pass him yet holding off the Brazilian is more fun

Besides I owed him one. In the previous race he let me pass cleanly on the the middle long bit, then I touched some grass and he wanted to pass. Unfortunately I did not compensate for the dirty tires, had no grip on the fast right and pushed him out a bit :/ Another car squeezed through however that car had a 3 sec penalty. So at the finish the 3 sec car served his penalty, the car I wronged was then behind me and instead of serving my 0.4 sec shortcut penalty I let it round up to 1 sec so he could safely take my position. (I'm not a fan of braking before the line in traffic)

My DR is still going up finishing 3rd. Not that it matters, it will be gone quickly tomorrow

Another win ruined by a Brazilian dive bomb and Bloombe got the 5 sec penalty for it. I managed to pass Bloombe on the straight and we were right behind each other for the final turns, Brazil dives into both of us from way behind, makes the corner and wins. Bloombe drops to 4th due to the penalty. Time for a break, blood starting to boil again.