"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[beegentoo]

It's a great track to drive one of these. You'll never run out of business!

At this point PD should just turn on heavy damage for the dailies. Or perhaps, touch wall = instant reset backwards. Half the field would be back at the start after T1

But joining the Bongard-Club is exclusive to Nurburgring.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Hey, @Sven Jurgens, check this out. I was going through Jason's GT Stats site, and had forgotten that if you log in, you can see about 100 times more statistics. I found the info to back up our theory from yesterday. Monday is the worst day of the week for SR at Tokyo East Outer Loop if you're driving a Gr.4 car. Average SR per entry is -3.564. That's specifically on Mondays, in the Gr.4 class.

Also, I found that historically, my biggest SR loss for a single race is -58. It was at la Sarthe last June in a Gr.4 car. I don't even remember doing a Gr.4 race at that track. But that was when the races only lasted for 24 hours, and also there's a good chance that I was drinking.

I just tried another race. 3 times SR Down from someone bumping me from behind, -2 SR for the race. I guess I'm staying in SR.B. I got them back though, tap hit wall, enjoy your penalty. Finished 5th by using the penalty system as intended to pass two cars at the line...

And just now I went full turbo. It's just broken. I'm on the way to SR.E the dirty way so at least the punters will get ghosted. SR.D now, almost there.

 

[Mistah_MCA]

Today, I got the H-shifter for my G29 racing wheel.

The problem? I've never driven stick shift in my life.

Since this week's A race happens to be with the Eunos Roadster, I thought it'd be a perfect time to learn how to shift in its time trial mode.
So far, after mis-shifting a million times, I've learned how to shift up. Shifting down on a straight line isn't much of a problem.

Now add turns and braking while shifting down. How the heck do I do that? I've seen clips where some people use the clutch with the left foot, and they brake with the front of the right foot while tapping on the throttle with the other half of the right foot. I can sorta barely do that. However, it seems to make the Eunos spin a bit, so I'm stuck there. And tips for dealing with this or the other mentioned things will be greatly appreciated.

 

[Melbourne Park]

You need to check out Snail racing, snailracing.org, you can thank me later.
...

The problem for me is that the SNAIL acronym is derived from Sunday Night American In Line. I am in Australia. For weekly races we are in the Asian zone, where currently the Japanese get good connections, but Australians, New Zealanders and most other countries, get poor connections. If I had a US connection, I think the delays would be to great. Not sure how much a 600/600 optical cable line would cost me ... I know an old factory site with desk hire and office hire facilities , that has 600/600 ... but its a 50 minute drive to get there. And I'd have to hire an office and put all my gear there ... it would b4 fun to test now well it worked against the Japanese though, but I suspect there are bottlenecks not related to one'd locasl ping speed.

 

[Pigems]

The problem for me is that the SNAIL acronym is derived from Sunday Night American In Line. I am in Australia. For weekly races we are in the Asian zone, where currently the Japanese get good connections, but Australians, New Zealanders and most other countries, get poor connections. If I had a US connection, I think the delays would be to great. Not sure how much a 600/600 optical cable line would cost me ... I know an old factory site with desk hire and office hire facilities , that has 600/600 ... but its a 50 minute drive to get there. And I'd have to hire an office and put all my gear there ... it would b4 fun to test now well it worked against the Japanese though, but I suspect there are bottlenecks not related to one'd locasl ping speed.

My bad, Why do I keep thinking you’re in Ontario?

 

[Odiesback]

Guys, I'm usually very tolerant with few bumps here and there but Race B is hooliganism to say the least.

Had 3 or 4 races where I was punted right in the first S... started one in 6th and right there again, to 14th in a second..,ridiculous... done for a while.., SR down to A

 

[slthree]

Guys, you won't believe it but I've had 3 extremely clean races at Interlagos

It's not what I expected. I was wincing at turn 1 every lap, but never got punted.

Now, it's entirely possible that my race position is the reason for this. I started 10th, 12th, 14th and I don't have a lot of cars behind me so I guess I don't represent a threat to be targeted.

The thing is, there was no bad behavior, even at the front of the pack.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

The track and penalty system work in SR.D Perhaps it is calibrated for the lowest tiers. It is the first time I could finish a race on Tokyo with blue SR and no penalties for getting hit. How does it work, the cars trying to ram you get ghosted. I passed half the backfield while they were playing ghost rangers. Then two battling cars in front of me both got disqualified lol. 8 people were thrown out of the race. I finished second with the fastest lap (2:09 again), unfortunately delayed in the beginning not to be able to catch first that got away. 17 places gained, good enough. +7 SR for that race despite getting hit from behind (with SR down) as often as in the races in SR.B. SR boost counters bump draft SR loss.

It's better in SR.D, ghosting solves a lot of problems. Driving isn't any worse or better, cars simply get ghosted sooner. The problem is that most of that room had blue SR, so they all move back up where ghosting gets more strict and crashes happen. If emergency ghosting comes with SR Down (which it should) then people wouldn't automatically bounce back from SR.D to cause more trouble in SR.B and up.

 

[Odiesback]

Guys, you won't believe it but I've had 3 extremely clean races at Interlagos

It's not what I expected. I was wincing at turn 1 every lap, but never got punted.

Now, it's entirely possible that my race position is the reason for this. I started 10th, 12th, 14th and I don't have a lot of cars behind me so I guess I don't represent a threat to be targeted.

The thing is, there was no bad behavior, even at the front of the pack.

Lucky you! Really.

 

[Melbourne Park]

My bad, Why do I keep thinking you’re in Ontario?

I guess I'd then be OntarioPark ... the Albert Park race track was going to be called Melbourne Park, when Melbourne stole the F1 GP from Adelaide. But in the end they left the name as Albert Park ... I setup that name for a site called AtlasF1, which was bought out by Autosport, at the time i chose that name, the circuit's name etc. was intended to be changed to "Melbourne Park". And I live in Brighton, suburb of Melbourne, we're 10 minutes from the circuit if there's no traffic, we can hear even the quieter hybrid F1 cars from our back yard when those race cars tour the circuit.


Jurg:

It's better in SR.D, ghosting solves a lot of problems. Driving isn't any worse or better, cars simply get ghosted sooner. The problem is that most of that room had blue SR, so they all move back up where ghosting gets more strict and crashes happen. If emergency ghosting comes with SR Down (which it should) then people wouldn't automatically bounce back from SR.D to cause more trouble in SR.B and up.

Strange that they don't just leave the ghosting thing on for all races. i would solve many of the problems.

Oh and as far as the participation statistics - do they include qualifying? Because I am still doing the odd qualifying session, but not racing due to the poor internet, and the collisions. Maybe I should drop the qualifying too ... if more people don't participate, maybe PD will do something?

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Strange that they don't just leave the ghosting thing on for all races. i would solve many of the problems.

Oh and as far as the participation statistics - do they include qualifying? Because I am still doing the odd qualifying session, but not racing due to the poor internet, and the collisions. Maybe I should drop the qualifying too ... if more people don't participate, maybe PD will do something?

PD would know how many race entries there are every day. Your daily kilometers are always tracked so PD should be able to tell exactly what the ratio is between sport races / fia races and qualifying / lobbies / gt league etc. KP can't track it that accurately and doesn't show how many races are actually run. If you qualify you probably still count as a daily active player for KP stats.

Does PD really care what you do though? You need PS+ for pretty much all of it. Less players in sport races, less servers to maintain....

 

[Groundfish]

@Sven Jurgens
It’s all good. Being new to the game I was big on being clean the first 110 days. Now I see I need more aggression. I guess the only real problem I have is that in higher rooms, if you mess up slightly on a corner first lap it means you need punting bumping or side swiping. I’m ok with it. It is telling though that the more I play the less being clean matters at all. My evolution has gone from don’t hit other vehicles at all to just race and mistakes might happen. Basically first learn to be clean, now I am at the stage of learning how to be dirty. It’s actually kinda fun and feels good to lighten up. I have no ambitions to go fia, so really rating doesn’t matter at all.

On the plus side I took Tsukuba sub .12 in the Mazda. Feelin good on that.

I just tried another race. 3 times SR Down from someone bumping me from behind, -2 SR for the race. I guess I'm staying in SR.B. I got them back though, tap hit wall, enjoy your penalty. Finished 5th by using the penalty system as intended to pass two cars at the line...

And just now I went full turbo. It's just broken. I'm on the way to SR.E the dirty way so at least the punters will get ghosted. SR.D now, almost there.

SR D?!
Lol
I ran a few b races. I enjoy just playin and not being too worried about stats. Strangely the races I just ran were super clean!
Luck of the draw!
The thing is if you don’t care about stats you race how you want. I like this.
It’s super fun to race real people online.
The thing also is the more you race the better you learn to race. Defend in such a way that it’s next to impossible to get punted.
What pissed me off last night is sneaky a ninety nine sr people. Racing there is a test of patience.
I dunno know why but since I stopped caring about ratings the game became more fun. I don’t stress whether to race or not.
JUST RACE!

 

[eltorrente]

Today, I got the H-shifter for my G29 racing wheel.

The problem? I've never driven stick shift in my life.

Since this week's A race happens to be with the Eunos Roadster, I thought it'd be a perfect time to learn how to shift in its time trial mode.
So far, after mis-shifting a million times, I've learned how to shift up. Shifting down on a straight line isn't much of a problem.

Now add turns and braking while shifting down. How the heck do I do that? I've seen clips where some people use the clutch with the left foot, and they brake with the front of the right foot while tapping on the throttle with the other half of the right foot. I can sorta barely do that. However, it seems to make the Eunos spin a bit, so I'm stuck there. And tips for dealing with this or the other mentioned things will be greatly appreciated.

I've driven a stick IRL in every car except my current car, and I can't imagine trying to learn how in a game because you just don't get the feel for how the clutch/drivetrain is hooking up - so that must be tough to do!

You said downshifting makes the "Eunos spin a bit".. that is actually the whole reason for learning how to heel/toe downshift. When you blip the throttle, the purpose is to get the RPM's of the engine to match the speed of the drivetrain so that it doesn't engine brake when you release the clutch. So basically focus on getting the rpm's up and releasing the clutch at the proper time. If you release the clutch too late, the rpm's will have fallen too low and you'll get engine braking.

 

[GOTMAXPOWER]

Guys, you won't believe it but I've had 3 extremely clean races at Interlagos

It's not what I expected. I was wincing at turn 1 every lap, but never got punted.

Now, it's entirely possible that my race position is the reason for this. I started 10th, 12th, 14th and I don't have a lot of cars behind me so I guess I don't represent a threat to be targeted.

The thing is, there was no bad behavior, even at the front of the pack.

There must be something in the air tonight, I had a couple of bad races and went from SR99 to something in B but since then I've had 5 clean race bonuses in a row - those are races too not economy drives, even some side by side action - it's like the late night crowd are more respectful than the evening crew.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

@Groundfish It's not really about racing clean or dirty, it's the constant question should I attempt a perfectly clean over take at the risk of getting turned in on and receiving a penalty for it. This constant getting out of the way of aggressive drivers is what has turned the game into a chore to maintain SR. Indeed, not caring about ratings anymore does make the game more fun. Just finish with a penalty. who cares what the final finish position is, you know you were faster than those crossing the line behind you.

Racing in SR.D is more relaxing, no need to look deep into the rear view mirror as punts from far away automatically get ghosted and zoom right through you. Side swipes, go right through you as well. The game knows perfectly well what behavior is bad, it simply chooses to ignore it at higher SR.

One thing I need to unlearn is driving myself off track or into a wall to avoid people that screw up in front of me. On Tokyo that's an instant 5 sec penalty for you, while hitting a car is often far less

 

[Tea_Leaves]

Guys, you won't believe it but I've had 3 extremely clean races at Interlagos

My races have generally been clean at Interlagos except for a few punters at Descida. The only time I had trouble was when someone practically forced me off the track (despite having left him ample space along Laranjinha) approaching Pinheirinho from Esse. I'm assuming the track generally has a bad reputation for the punts on Senna.

 

[Trone_Colby]

Well. Just had back to back Tokyo races and no penalties for me. 1 Sr drop from a bump. That racer tried again but I moved just in time lol. My DR gained 2000. 290 shy from a B. Shout out to @dna_odin in one of those races.

Maybe it may be bad luck for some of you that have problems

Race one 8th to 5th
Race two 4th to 6th to 5th

 

[Dogwolf77]

Guys, you won't believe it but I've had 3 extremely clean races at Interlagos

It's not what I expected. I was wincing at turn 1 every lap, but never got punted.

Now, it's entirely possible that my race position is the reason for this. I started 10th, 12th, 14th and I don't have a lot of cars behind me so I guess I don't represent a threat to be targeted.

The thing is, there was no bad behavior, even at the front of the pack.

Quite encouraging. I’m sitting here thinking should I race tonight or not?
I want to avoid a bad mood.
On the other hand, I’ll always expect some incident will happen. Plus, I’ve recently experienced all the ugliness the game could though at me so it’s hard to get me upset after my heart wrenching DR reset experience.
Everyone is having fun getting kicked around and quite frankly I’m jealous. I want a cut of this action!
Interlagos here we go! I’m “hauling the mail” tonight.

 

[sturk0167]

I enjoy just playin and not being too worried about stats. Strangely the races I just ran were super clean

That's why I started a 2nd profile. Oddly, my alt account is at 92 SR, and my main is at 63.

 

[Qyn]

Quite encouraging. I’m sitting here thinking should I race tonight or not?
I want to avoid a bad mood.
On the other hand, I’ll always expect some incident will happen. Plus, I’ve recently experienced all the ugliness the game could though at me so it’s hard to get me upset after my heart wrenching DR reset experience.
Everyone is having fun getting kicked around and quite frankly I’m jealous. I want a cut of this action!
Interlagos here we go! I’m “hauling the mail” tonight.

Yep! Got me too. I'm on my way .

 

[slthree]

Just completed another race at Interlagos and it was wonderfully clean!

I started 9th and finished 8th.

At one point I thought I was going to be passed or punted because the guy behind me was right on my tail but when he saw I had the line he backed out.

It was a grid of 15 I believe and every single driver had an S sportsmanship rating

 

[Rexracer702]

That's why I started a 2nd profile. Oddly, my alt account is at 92 SR, and my main is at 63.

I just started a second account too. I am one fast, naturally talented rookie sumbitch! Won my first race at Tokyo, and also got a third driving the Lambo. Started 5th and 4th, and had a 5 second penalty in race 1, T1 when I got slammed into the wall, 7 seconds in race 2, same thing but both T1 &2. Good thing is, once I got clear, I could just drive. Had some trouble with P2 in the first race. Tried to pass and got ground into the wall a couple times, so I faked outside and went inside in the esses after the bridge and he hit the wall hard and ghosted trying to take me out.
I ran some laps at Tokyo on my main account with the Lambo. Got down to an 08.3, but couldn't go faster even though my optimal was 07.6. Tried the Veyron on a whim since I never drive it. Was imediately in the 2:08's (2nd lap) and started dropping. Lap 7 was a 08.1 and lap 9 an 07.8. I'm very consistant with this car, but I think it may eat tires. Feels heavy when stopping for the chicane, but does well in the esses. If the tires last, it may be good to race.

 

[Dogwolf77]

Yep! Got me too. I'm on my way .

Wow, that was definitely pretty crazy racing. It was actually pretty comical. 2 cars got into it right after the count down. And on and on it went. There were guys just deliberately bashing straight into others directly in front of me. All the posts here are confirmed. It’s a mess. Still fun in a twisted no fun way.
I’m sure there are plenty of exceptions. Maybe a clean race out there, I wasn’t in one of them.

I wish I could say I had a fantastic result but.....yep....I tried the Z4, a totally new car for me. It was beckoning me to just give it a college try. My skills couldn’t handle it.
It wasn’t too bad, just not as nimble or smooth as the R8. Overall, it was worth losing some dr/sr. I didn’t get super serious. I doubt I will line up for another beating tonight.

 

[rosuazld]

Nope imo.
You took the right turn like he was not there. It's not his job to move outside to let you pass, it's your job to pass him clean with the space he gives you.

You had a clean pass opportunity in the previous left tight turn, you were on the inside, you just had to exit wide and cut his exit (it's a bit ugly but a mx style block pass is better than a bump pass).

(Edit) : not a big deal in the end, you did not send him in the gravel, you were faster than him, and he didn't lose any other position because of the contact. And as others have said, he was driving erratically.

Technically not clean but TBH he was all over the freaking road for two laps, you were right to take it IMHO, he's a menace.

Interlagos America´s top10 was full of audi r8... how is it in the other regions?



Judging by your distance to the apex, you were maitaining your line and he hit you, but for me is difficult to judge it properly without his view and other cameras.

Perfectly fine, the other driver just can't hold a line properly. Back end stepped out on them and they over-corrected. Classic rookie lol.

Meh. On one hand you could have braked a bit to make sure you didn’t hit him.

The other hand he did oversteer a bit and didn’t correct it in time. Its a toss up to me.

Nope, that was a dirty overtake. If you were side to side heading into the turn, I would actually be fine with you agressively pushing him all the way to the edge of the track. P3 lost their back end and was losing control and you continued to lay down the throttle heading towards him. I don't know what you expected to happen other than hitting him.

You had no overlap heading into the corner so all corner rights go to P3 which includes their choice of an exit line. Even if he didn't step out during the turn he would be allowed to place his car in the left third of the track to encumber your exit line. It's a known defensive driving tactic that isn't considered an illegal block.

UPDATE - (J Rutherford was right. I concede to his point. Apologies to the OP. I thought the 3P driver had stayed in the same area of the track, but Rutherford's right he, does make an irregular move back to the inside to block after correcting his car.)

Really appreciate the feedback and tips. Thank you.

 

[Melbourne Park]

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You said downshifting makes the "Eunos spin a bit".. that is actually the whole reason for learning how to heel/toe downshift. When you blip the throttle, the purpose is to get the RPM's of the engine to match the speed of the drivetrain so that it doesn't engine brake when you release the clutch. ...

But the fun way is when you match the revs, you change the gear - and never touch the throttle. But I don't know if GTS rewards skills like that.

Strange thing is that my son had a beer party at my place - with 25 different beers. So a few of the engine heads looked at my setup and they kept crashing everything ... so I went to the A circuit where the car was the Toyota 76, and they tried to drive that around. The next day I thought those slows will hurt my average - so i did some laps. I need up the highest I'ver ever been I think - and I wasn't very skilled then. I now wonder how much better I might have been with a stick shift. I've got Fanatec and their stick shift is both sequential or H pattern - hopefully if I get it I'll go faster with the non race cars.

But probably as as I become used to it, PD will equalise things ...

And about the second accounts - how easy is it to change an account's name? That way, if someone - lets say my name is Blitz and Zombie-Dan (a made up name by me) beats me up - I could change my name to Blitz Zombie-Dan-Revenge Car - and in the next race or so - I'd be there waiting for him.

I guess if we had a list here of all the bash drivers - and we all setup revenge cars - then the bash drivers would also change their name .... darn ....

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Does PD really care what you do though? You need PS+ for pretty much all of it. Less players in sport races, less servers to maintain....

Nah, servers are cheap relative to the invcome they produce ... the larger the user base there is the more it indicates the platform is successful. I only have an account for GTS. So if I continue not to race, I'll drop the account. Serve them right ... after all their video of driving etiquette etc. is what the they claim the game is about. Yet their policies encourage bad behaviour which is contrary to their promise of what the game is about. As you've pointed out, the ghosting would fix a lot of things. But clearly, they want you to experience people driving into you and causing crashes.

But we cannot do anything it seems - except quit.

 

[05XR8]

The Tokyo race. Why in the world would anyone serve their penalty on the turns? Just, why?!

Mega straight and at least indicate, to let Driver ahead beware. Lord, have mercy!

Anyway, seemed like players I raced, were on RSS tyres. They came back to me on Lap 5 and 6. Lap 7, I got booted.

 

[PorscheHD]

Freaking awsome race on Interlagos with the F1 !! One of nu most awsome online races het andere my 41 victory! (PinkFloyd_4Life) i drive with DS4 with only ABS on.

Full race



Last lap

 

[Dorofint]

The track and penalty system work in SR.D Perhaps it is calibrated for the lowest tiers. It is the first time I could finish a race on Tokyo with blue SR and no penalties for getting hit. How does it work, the cars trying to ram you get ghosted. I passed half the backfield while they were playing ghost rangers. Then two battling cars in front of me both got disqualified lol. 8 people were thrown out of the race. I finished second with the fastest lap (2:09 again), unfortunately delayed in the beginning not to be able to catch first that got away. 17 places gained, good enough. +7 SR for that race despite getting hit from behind (with SR down) as often as in the races in SR.B. SR boost counters bump draft SR loss.

It's better in SR.D, ghosting solves a lot of problems. Driving isn't any worse or better, cars simply get ghosted sooner. The problem is that most of that room had blue SR, so they all move back up where ghosting gets more strict and crashes happen. If emergency ghosting comes with SR Down (which it should) then people wouldn't automatically bounce back from SR.D to cause more trouble in SR.B and up.

You're right. By changing the rules and conditions for low-rated riders, the problem is solved only temporarily. That may work quite well in ST D. At the same time, however, these drivers learn a very bad driving style which they then also practice in higher leagues. I've often wondered why some riders in SR A or S have extremely bad racecraft. In A or S you would expect good and fair driver but sometimes the exact opposite is the case. So again we have a serious bug in the system. I think it would help a lot if there is a grading for every time the system helps a low rated driver. If the system e.g. avoids a collision because it ghosted the cause then it should subtract DR and SR at the same time. This would protect the victim from the consequences and at the same time punish the cause.

 

[J Rutherford]

My very first race at Interlagos last night and TRL_LAVA, your current european leader, was on pole for it. Then he got disconnected!! i started in 11th and finished there. Pretty uneventful. Had a clean race and still lost 200 DR points for not moving up the pack a little. Will be braver in my races tonight!

 

[Sven Jurgens]

The Tokyo race. Why in the world would anyone serve their penalty on the turns? Just, why?!

Mega straight and at least indicate, to let Driver ahead beware. Lord, have mercy!

Anyway, seemed like players I raced, were on RSS tyres. They came back to me on Lap 5 and 6. Lap 7, I got booted.

Nah, you have to slow down when in front of another car so you can press gas and unghost right in front of them to block and steal their momentum, that way you don't lose any time while serving your penalty. Or on the straight slow down a little, let the car behind ghost go through you then draft serve draft serve bump them off in T1.

PD has turned penalty serving into a game itself. In the beginning it used to be that you had to slow down a lot before the penalty counter starts counting down. Since over half a year a slight lift is enough for it to start decreasing slowly while ghosting you. Efficient / creative serving of penalties has become part of GTS 'racecraft'.

The most popular 'technique' seems to be braking early for the hairpin on Tokyo to serve a bit of penalty while either blocking the car behind or draft pass them again on the straight. Just add it to the list of the broken penalty system where you get a 5 sec wall penalty for avoiding a car serving a penalty in corners, while a punter gets 1 sec penalty for ramming you into a wall...

As long as the penalty zones are not added to daily races, penalties will continue to create more mess than they solve.