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Dorofint
I'm sure that would happen. Then the errors in the system would be even more obvious to everyone. In this case, realistic damage would help. For the victim of course not, but the offender would slowed down by the damage to their own vehicle. The advantage of this dirty strategy would at least be reduced depending on the damage.
In the video by Sven Jurgens we all can also see how aggressively driven by some drivers. With activated damages such a behavior would not be expedient. After the first lap, their car would be badly damaged and a good result would no longer be possible.
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Damage would certainly help on Tokyo to stop people from using the walls. The 5 sec penalty, which doesn't always trigger, is apparently not muh of a deterrent. It used to be that your penalty time started counting up at 10 seconds if you did not serve it. It waits until 30 or 40 seconds now before starting to increase while the penalties are much lower. Plus you can lose 15 seconds at the finish with only 5 seconds lost...

However there seem to be plenty people that don't care about finishing races at all. I had rooms where 40% either quit or got DQ'd during the race. A new race starts every 10 minutes, nothing lost if you just want to cause trouble in the next event.

Damage would really work in combination with the excellent ghosting in lower SR rooms. Punters and side swipes simply ghost through you into the wall. Currently there's nothing lost for attempting that kind of driving, just that occasional 5 sec penalty that nobody cares about. However if you ghost through and wreck your car, that behavior will stop quickly!
 
Tokyo Expressway is a wretched hive of scum and villainy.

On most tracks there are certain congestion spots you can avoid to race cleanly. On Tokyo Expressway the whole track is a congestion spot you have to avoid to race cleanly.

One day I'll be good and brave enough to race there.
 
Sven Jurgens
For half a year I've been showing clips and videos of how easy it is to end up with a penalty while driving clean, all in SR 99, even left a couple of the playstation blog which was asking for feedback on the penalty system. Perhaps a new approach is needed, teach everyone how to abuse the system, and then maybe PD will get of their ass and fix it. You simply can not over take normally on Tokyo without risking a penalty.
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"Methinks thou dost protest too much"

Imo, vigilantes (players like you) are a bigger problem in this game than "dirty drivers." I've seen many of your (and other member's) clips where I can't see any of the dirty or malicious acts perpetrated by the "villains" you supposedly "educate." I've been "educated" by people like you for some perceived injustice too many times to count.

In a lot of cases it looks like, to me, that people just overestimate their own driving skill.

Moreover, you don't want to qualify because "it is boring racing in front" (and I don't doubt that you can set good lap times - but why play racing games if you find it boring?), so you start from back where all the lesser skilled players are (and FYI I've raced from the back too without seeing all the "dirty drivers" you seem so obsessed with.)

And about the penalty system: I will be fixed the same day we get tax codes without loop-holes. Never. Because it is, imo, impossible.

PS: I see you have an Xbox - do you have the Forza game? I think you skills as an educator is more needed there.
 
Man as soon as you hit SR of S the competition goes up two levels. I also find there is less racing and more of a gap between competitors, several races i was tootling around in 9th or whatever belting the guy behind me and being belted by those in front.

I also suspect that with far, far less errors there's far less chance of someone being out of place and therefore generating less racing. Bit boring TBH.
 
so last night... I'm in 2nd on race B, 3rd isn't close to me and I'm within reach of 1st but I'm on the last lap and have a 2 second penalty to clear at the end. I pull closer and closer to the guy in 1st and I get to the long sweep to the finish and run out of room so I put the brakes on at the finish to kill the penalty and feeling pretty good about myself and also needing a fresh beverage I let the car coast over the finish line for a nice podium finish in which I worked pretty hard to move up the positions to get...

I get back and sit in my chair, place my fresh beverage on my trusty side table and look at the screen only to see my car still on the track and a warning that I will be kicked from the session as I only completed 4 out of the 5 laps! Now there are bottle jobs but that has to be the stupidest thing I have ever done. Went from a P2, possibly P1 to a DNF last!
 
Skinny McLean
"Methinks thou dost protest too much"

Imo, vigilantes (players like you) are a bigger problem in this game than "dirty drivers." I've seen many of your (and other member's) clips where I can't see any of the dirty or malicious acts perpetrated by the "villains" you supposedly "educate." I've been "educated" by people like you for some perceived injustice too many times to count.

In a lot of cases it looks like, to me, that people just overestimate their own driving skill.

Moreover, you don't want to qualify because "it is boring racing in front" (and I don't doubt that you can set good lap times - but why play racing games if you find it boring?), so you start from back where all the lesser skilled players are (and FYI I've raced from the back too without seeing all the "dirty drivers" you seem so obsessed with.)

And about the penalty system: I will be fixed the same day we get tax codes without loop-holes. Never. Because it is, imo, impossible.

PS: I see you have an Xbox - do you have the Forza game? I think you skills as an educator is more needed there.
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There are sometimes legitimate reasons to start from the back. I do that e.g. in Monza, Fuji, Tokyo and sometimes in Interlagos. Why? Because there is almost always chaos in the first corner or chicane on these tracks. I have never experienced a race in Fuji where at least 2 riders forgot to brake and caused chaos and massive punishment in turn 1. That's why I always start last in Fuji. Most of the time I'm in midfield due to the chaos already after T1 and can progress from there. As you can see, this is not a bad intention for me. I'm trying to work around the weaknesses of the game a bit. You can believe me, I would rather qualify normally and then drive a clean race. But that just does not work on some tracks. At least not in DR B SR S. It may be different in AS or SS, but I'm not fast enough for that.
 
weazelgt
so last night... I'm in 2nd on race B, 3rd isn't close to me and I'm within reach of 1st but I'm on the last lap and have a 2 second penalty to clear at the end. I pull closer and closer to the guy in 1st and I get to the long sweep to the finish and run out of room so I put the brakes on at the finish to kill the penalty and feeling pretty good about myself and also needing a fresh beverage I let the car coast over the finish line for a nice podium finish in which I worked pretty hard to move up the positions to get...

I get back and sit in my chair, place my fresh beverage on my trusty side table and look at the screen only to see my car still on the track and a warning that I will be kicked from the session as I only completed 4 out of the 5 laps! Now there are bottle jobs but that has to be the stupidest thing I have ever done. Went from a P2, possibly P1 to a DNF last!
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I've done that a few times. :lol:
The only time I've ever passed Pokey, is when he did it at Big Willow (I think it was him).
 
Skinny McLean
"Methinks thou dost protest too much"

Imo, vigilantes (players like you) are a bigger problem in this game than "dirty drivers." I've seen many of your (and other member's) clips where I can't see any of the dirty or malicious acts perpetrated by the "villains" you supposedly "educate." I've been "educated" by people like you for some perceived injustice too many times to count.

In a lot of cases it looks like, to me, that people just overestimate their own driving skill.

Moreover, you don't want to qualify because "it is boring racing in front" (and I don't doubt that you can set good lap times - but why play racing games if you find it boring?), so you start from back where all the lesser skilled players are (and FYI I've raced from the back too without seeing all the "dirty drivers" you seem so obsessed with.)

And about the penalty system: I will be fixed the same day we get tax codes without loop-holes. Never. Because it is, imo, impossible.

PS: I see you have an Xbox - do you have the Forza game? I think you skills as an educator is more needed there.
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I need to get some popcorn before Sven replies to this. :lol:
 
Dorofint
There are sometimes legitimate reasons to start from the back. I do that e.g. in Monza, Fuji, Tokyo and sometimes in Interlagos. Why? Because there is almost always chaos in the first corner or chicane on these tracks. I have never experienced a race in Fuji where at least 2 riders forgot to brake and caused chaos and massive punishment in turn 1. That's why I always start last in Fuji. Most of the time I'm in midfield due to the chaos already after T1 and can progress from there. As you can see, this is not a bad intention for me. I'm trying to work around the weaknesses of the game a bit. You can believe me, I would rather qualify normally and then drive a clean race. But that just does not work on some tracks. At least not in DR B SR S. It may be different in AS or SS, but I'm not fast enough for that.
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Most of the regulars on this thread are very clean drivers, which is why so many are SR-S most of the time. Everybody has their limits, though. If I'm braking for a hairpin in traffic, and I need to slow early because of said traffic, and the guy behind hits me and I go wide, I may get mad, but I understand how it can happen. I've done it myself. If I get a better drive down the straight, or the guy in front goes off, has a big slide, or something else that slows him way below the racing speed at that part of the track, and he purposely jumps in front of me, or knocks me into the wall when I go by, I remember. If he tries to hit me again, I WILL punt him off, drive by, and get my distance so I don't have to deal with him again.

True story, I had a guy bump draft me at Suzuka, causing 2 SR down flags. I let him by (we were close in pace)and bumped him a few times. A bit later, he got a bit sideways in the chicane, and I went by clean. I worried going into T1 about being punted, but, though he got close, he never touched me and was right on my tail through the esses. He got inside going into Degner, and I braked a bit early since he had the line, and gave up the position clean. I got inside him in Spoon, gave him room coming out, and we were side by side all the way down the back straight. He backed off a bit for the kink, and I got the lead. It ended up being one of the best races I've had. In this case, I educated him, he got the point and maybe I gained a bit of respect from him, and we ended up having a great, close battle to the end.

Sometimes you have to stand up to the bullies. Sometimes they even respect that, and can change.
 
Skinny McLean
"Methinks thou dost protest too much"

Imo, vigilantes (players like you) are a bigger problem in this game than "dirty drivers." I've seen many of your (and other member's) clips where I can't see any of the dirty or malicious acts perpetrated by the "villains" you supposedly "educate." I've been "educated" by people like you for some perceived injustice too many times to count.

In a lot of cases it looks like, to me, that people just overestimate their own driving skill.

Moreover, you don't want to qualify because "it is boring racing in front" (and I don't doubt that you can set good lap times - but why play racing games if you find it boring?), so you start from back where all the lesser skilled players are (and FYI I've raced from the back too without seeing all the "dirty drivers" you seem so obsessed with.)

And about the penalty system: I will be fixed the same day we get tax codes without loop-holes. Never. Because it is, imo, impossible.

PS: I see you have an Xbox - do you have the Forza game? I think you skills as an educator is more needed there.
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The difference between an unskilled yet fair player and a player taking advantage of you is in the follow up. If the car with the 10 sec penalty had backed off in that clip instead of pushing through and driving through me, I would not have thought anything of it. I do make mistakes occasionally, I never take the position when that happens.

I've also been 'educated' many times simply for making a clean pass or mistaken identity. Vigilantes are indeed also a problem. However just letting it go and getting out of the way only reinforces the 'bad' behavior. If you make a mistake, do not take advantage of it, back off, don't keep pushing, simple.

It is boring racing out front yes, that only happens (to me) after I get punted out of SR.99. What usually happens when I qualify is that I start around 5th to 10th in the 90-99 SR room, get rammed from behind in T1 or on the way to T1 and half the time end up with a penalty or SR Down for getting hit. Next race or the one after I start on pole in the 80-89 SR room and have a boring race. Then the process repeats. Hence on most tracks I rather not qualify, drive by the wreckage in T1 and catch up with the people with similar pace to have a good race after lap 2.
 
sturk0167
92 currently. I guess it will drop pretty quickly.
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If you guys are on tonight, I may try to join on my 2nd account. I already qualified for Tokyo there, but it's really slow (2:10 ish), so I should end up near the back. I may have to build up my SR a bit, since I'm still B with only 2 races so far. We'll see.

BTW (a bit of bragging...) I'm down to a 2:07.6, with 2 significant wall hits. My optimal was 2:06.520, which is really close to top 10 in the region. I hope to finish the week top 50 or better, which will be a first.
 
I was wondering why I saw no movement on your Tokyo time. I'm usually chasing you, though Tokyo is a good track for me. I shouldn't say this, but you should give the Veyron a try. Since I posted about it last time, it's taking over the boards.
 
Rexracer702
If you guys are on tonight, I may try to join on my 2nd account. I already qualified for Tokyo there, but it's really slow (2:10 ish), so I should end up near the back. I may have to build up my SR a bit, since I'm still B with only 2 races so far. We'll see.

BTW (a bit of bragging...) I'm down to a 2:07.6, with 2 significant wall hits. My optimal was 2:06.520, which is really close to top 10 in the region. I hope to finish the week top 50 or better, which will be a first.
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Just did my first Tokyo race. I got 4 SR downs in the first 2 laps, for no good reason. :lol: I lost 2 positions at the finish for having 3 penalty seconds, and didn't start braking soon enough. Fun race, though. Didn't really see anything dirty, yet. Down to SR 88. 👍 Going again
 
This might be off topic, but I was doing some free practice on the Tokyo Expressway - South Outer Loop.
I signed up for the Manufacturers Series for the first time (Driving McLaren) so that will be a new experience I hope. (I did one race in it when I started but I was too green)
Anyway, when I was driving the Tokyo I could not find the pit in ... Where is it ?

I FOUND THE ANSWER:
"This track's pit-lane is located at the exit of the hairpin at the northernmost section of the circuit, which is approximately around half a lap through. "

When I get home I will give it a try :gtpflag:
 
Sven Jurgens
I'm signed up for the next race as well, however still in SR.C. I'll try not to get hit :cheers:
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Down to 75. Man, at SR S you get penalties just for being near another car. :lol:
I may not be much of a match for you. My best lap in the race so far is 2:11. I'm racing on 4 hards. The back tires on the Lambo don't seem to wear too much. Have you tried medium on the rear?

Edit: Nevermind. Now that I think about it, that would create more under-steer.
 
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CurbHog
This might be off topic, but I was doing some free practice on the Tokyo Expressway - South Outer Loop.
I signed up for the Manufacturers Series for the first time (Driving McLaren) so that will be a new experience I hope. (I did one race in it when I started but I was too green)
Anyway, when I was driving the Tokyo I could not find the pit in ... Where is it ?

I FOUND THE ANSWER:
"This track's pit-lane is located at the exit of the hairpin at the northernmost section of the circuit, which is approximately around half a lap through. "

When I get home I will give it a try :gtpflag:
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Tokyo South Outer Loop is the FIA Manufacturers race for Saturday? Hmmmm.... maybe I will actually try do run these races... being in the West makes it super hard to make it to the limited times they have though.
 
sturk0167
Down to 75. Man, at SR S you get penalties just for being near another car. :lol:
I may not be much of a match for you. My best lap in the race so far is 2:11. I'm racing on 4 hards. The back tires on the Lambo don't seem to wear too much. Have you tried medium on the rear?
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Not yet, I'll try it now. I'm at 44 SR.B after a 2nd place finish. Still had a couple SR downs from bumpers yet below 50 you still get that SR boost to compensate. I only reach 2:09 with drafting, 2:10 2:11 is about right.

For tire wear, rear mediums are fine, evens it out. I'm not sure if it's faster, that mostly depends on the traffic. This race I was getting harassed by an Argentinian with 38 sec penalties on the clock. At the end a Brazilian with 27 sec was in 3rd with an American with 6 sec in 4th. The American tried to block me while serving his penalty.... I finished 3rd, penalty free.

SR 46, only +3 due to the bumps from the Argentinian and a Brazilian. Lot of red ratings, 3 quitters, dirtier again than SR.C.
 
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gtpierre
All my bad races have happened before 7.30pm. I think from now on, I will skip playing during the 6.30-7.30pm period.
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My thought exactly. I was racing B yesterday during the day and had a good old time. Once I got into the after dinner crowd, it started to get ugly.
I have a DR 25K and SR 99 and my time of 1:32.693 put me in 7-9 place on grid with A/S drivers in front of me or if I get on the draw with only B/S I get 3-5 on the grid.

weazelgt
Tokyo South Outer Loop is the FIA Manufacturers race for Saturday? Hmmmm.... maybe I will actually try do run these races... being in the West makes it super hard to make it to the limited times they have though.
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Yea, give it a try.
Note that the penalty is working different as you cant scrub it and there is a section on the track where you will serve it.
It will be fun to try and do a good quali time during 10 minutes before the race. More pressure than to spend a day or two for the weekly races.
Normally I drive until I'm 2-3 seconds behind the top 10 drivers. Then I know I'm competitive in my driver rating of an upper B/S.
 
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Regarding this week's fine B race, I've brought 3 races in the video!
In the first and second race I've even raced against a real life driver from the Blancpain series, which was a pleasure to me!
Finally, I thought I'm gonna have an average run, but in the third corner I had to avoid I guy behind me, and things got mixed up from there...
Enjoy!

 
Sven Jurgens
Not yet, I'll try it now. I'm at 44 SR.B after a 2nd place finish. Still had a couple SR downs from bumpers yet below 50 you still get that SR boost to compensate. I only reach 2:09 with drafting, 2:10 2:11 is about right.

For tire wear, rear mediums are fine, evens it out. I'm not sure if it's faster, that mostly depends on the traffic. This race I was getting harassed by an Argentinian with 38 sec penalties on the clock. At the end a Brazilian with 27 sec was in 3rd with an American with 6 sec in 4th. The American tried to block me while serving his penalty.... I finished 3rd, penalty free.

SR 46, only +3 due to the bumps from the Argentinian and a Brazilian. Lot of red ratings, 3 quitters, dirtier again than SR.C.
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I'm letting you down, bud. 2 neutral A's in my last two races. I'm seeing progress, though. I got my first 2:10 lap, and my first top 5 (5.6 seconds behind P1. Which means I basically beat him, because I started DFL, and that's a lot more than 5.6 seconds back). :)

PS. You're right about TCS 2 in the Lambo. It seems faster than TCS 1. 👍
 
Oh well, back down the SR ladder, -2 to 44. A laggy Argentinian rammed me into the wall at the bridge and I got 5 sec penalty for it. I paid him back on the straight (3 sec not really even), then he drove himself into the wall to get up to 12.8 sec in penalties. However later a laggy Brazilian screwed up at the bridge and moved over last second to block. I automatically tried to avoid and got another 5 sec from the wall plus SR down from the stalled blocking Brazilian. That allowed the Argentinian to catch back up enough to ram me from behind at the hairpin for which I got another SR Down.

Penalty system broken with laggy connections getting the advantage and making full use of it. Yup everything is working fine :lol: The race is still fun though, finished 6th despite the 10 sec penalty and getting rammed a couple times.

I'm switching back to 4 hard tires. The rear mediums indeed create more understeer, most noticeable at the bridge but also at T1/T2. I can't take that section as fast with this set up. Once the rears wear down I can go faster, that's not right.
 
Sven Jurgens
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I'm switching back to 4 hard tires. The rear mediums indeed create more understeer, most noticeable at the bridge but also at T1/T2. I can't take that section as fast with this set up. Once the rears wear down I can go faster, that's not right.
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That's funny. I remember in GT4, there were some cars I was faster in after tires turned yellow, just because I could steer with the throttle a bit.
 
Ok, check this out. I can kind of understand a time penalty for hitting a wall (should be maybe be a half second, if anything, because you already slowed yourself down). But how the hell can you justify an SR down, as well? Pretty inept programming, I'd say. I had to scrub 22 seconds worth of penalties at the end, without doing anything that made anybody mad. :lol:

Sven, I'm making progress. Down to 60.
 
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