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[sturk0167]

Check this out.
I tested all the Gr.3 cars in Time Trials for race C. Of course I used all the race settings and automatic transmission. This list is for those of you who, like me, can't drive the NSX like Igor can (not even top 10 for me). I drove every car with TCS 2, because they're all undriveable for me with anything less. I did 3-4 laps each. Although, I didn't even complete 1 lap with some cars, because they sucked so bad. This is not meant to be a list of the best cars, but rather a list of cars that work well for those of us who aren't experts. #1 sure did surprise me.

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• sturk0167
• May 8, 2019

The Peugeot has a similar feeling to the Porsche, but obviously gets me around the track more quickly.

The GTR and M6 did better than I expected, because they felt sluggish and heavy.

- Worst piece of garbage: Ferrari 458
- Cars most willing to put the power down, despite the TCS 2 restriction: Viper, Mustang
- Best handling: RCZ

Just hoping this helps some of you. There are cars on this list that never get any praise, and rarely get mentioned, but are worthy competitors.

* I have no idea how any of these cars will do on fuel and tire wear.

Update: The Peugeot may be good for qualifying, but it wears out tires very quickly!

 

[NosOsH]

@CrimsonKing
Ive seen you many times in races. I always see your qual. times high up on the grid and strive to get near them. You have really good pace and seem very consistent and respectful.
Awesome to know you're a gtp'er. Hope to race with out there again.

 

[weazelgt]

The wheel has advantages too. Like the ABS default setting. And does correct even if a driver doesn't notice. In reality there would be way more accidents without some behind the scene magic. (+ Also much easier adjusting fuel map on the fly on longer races).

Also wheel users can use the other aids if they choose. It would be an unfair advantage if the choice wasn't available. But it is. (And I say this as a wheel user driving with only ABS default.)

And what's next, every wheel user has to use the same FFB settings? Ban brake springs? Limit screen size?

No offence but it sounds like some are looking for easy excuses, easy targets to blame for not being as fast as they think they should be.

+ I did a lobby race this weekend with 2 really good DS4 users. Being sandwiched between them for a lap was the highlight of my week.

I think you took my post the wrong way... I wasn't saying any of that. I agree with you and personally I don't give a rats ass what aids people use and actually tell people to use them if they need to as it makes the race more pleasurable for them and the people around them.

 

[sdi_03]

Heyhou hero we go!!! HELP!!! have lost 2.8 seconds somewhere.
Have put this FT1 at its limits, but still not fast enough.
Can keep quite constant pace at 2:17.200 +/- 2tenths
Optimum is 2:15.7xx Best time to complete lap 2:16.733

Any help??

 

[sturk0167]

Heyhou hero we go!!! HELP!!! have lost 2.8 seconds somewhere.
Have put this FT1 at its limits, but still not fast enough.
Can keep quite constant pace at 2:17.200 +/- 2tenths
Optimum is 2:15.7xx Best time to complete lap 2:16.733

Any help??

Looks like you're doing just fine.

 

[FeloneousMonk]

Heyhou hero we go!!! HELP!!! have lost 2.8 seconds somewhere.
Have put this FT1 at its limits, but still not fast enough.
Can keep quite constant pace at 2:17.200 +/- 2tenths
Optimum is 2:15.7xx Best time to complete lap 2:16.733

Any help??

I'm going to be a hypocrite here because I do the same thing and I'm working on this issue as well but here we go. On some of your corner exits if you straightened them out and didn't follow the apex all the way out you could carry more speed out of the exit. I'd also try to be tighter to the apex on sweepers and exit straight out if the next corner permits it. Sometimes I don't know the track as well so I'll be wide as well as can't remember what's next and I'm playing it safe. This is something that I'm working on and I see many of the faster drivers doing the same. You are good through the esses it seems.

I haven't run this race yet so I don't know how I stack up against your ET but I'll try it tonight and see. Losing 2.8 seconds is a lot though. Not sure my tips equate to more than .500 TBH

 

[O604]

I think you took my post the wrong way... I wasn't saying any of that. I agree with you and personally I don't give a rats ass what aids people use and actually tell people to use them if they need to as it makes the race more pleasurable for them and the people around them.

Wasn't directed at anyone in particular.

Sorry. My writing style tends to come across super serious.

 

[sdi_03]

Looks like you're doing just fine.

I think so too, but somehow think that the laptime should be better??
This is what puzzles me, I think that the lap is good, but cant understand where I lost that time.

Maybe just stop looking the top 10 times and start racing...

I'm going to be a hypocrite here because I do the same thing and I'm working on this issue as well but here we go. On some of your corner exits if you straightened them out and didn't follow the apex all the way out you could carry more speed out of the exit. I'd also try to be tighter to the apex on sweepers and exit straight out if the next corner permits it. Sometimes I don't know the track as well so I'll be wide as well as can't remember what's next and I'm playing it safe. This is something that I'm working on and I see many of the faster drivers doing the same. You are good through the esses it seems.

I haven't run this race yet so I don't know how I stack up against your ET but I'll try it tonight and see. Losing 2.8 seconds is a lot though. Not sure my tips equate to more than .500 TBH

I tryed to stay tighter on those fast righthanders, was slower that way. The grip just isnt there to keep speed and tight line.
Also cant go to throttle any sooner or rear steps out, sometimes even spins out.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I think you took my post the wrong way... I wasn't saying any of that. I agree with you and personally I don't give a rats ass what aids people use and actually tell people to use them if they need to as it makes the race more pleasurable for them and the people around them.

That last bit is key imo. I'm not sure why PD doesn't let people use csa anymore. I turned it off last Christmas but if it helps people not spin out and give me a penalty on their way off the track, let them use it!

Same with TCS, please use it if you can't consistently keep the car under control at corner exit. I use it since my throttle control with R2 and crappy index finger can hardly be called analog, more like zero, sorta half or 100%, not much in between.

If the issue is that CSA can make certain cars faster, then fix that instead of removing it. If it only helps with consistency, then leave it. The penalty system is too dumb to figure out who's in control and who is causing the accident.

I wonder, you can use motion control for steering. Can you map it to throttle input? Probably not a good idea for me since I tend to lean in corners and usually don't stand still while racing. (I play standing up, back reasons, very weird in VR lol). But it might work.

Wasn't directed at anyone in particular.
Sorry. My writing style tends to come across super serious.

It's a problem with the internet, most of what I say isn't serious and English is not my first language either. We need a grain of salt emote added to the list!

 

[SpaceMaN47y0]

You play that much standing up? Wow.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

You play that much standing up? Wow.

I haven't sat down to race since last November, used to it now. Only in VR I have to remember not to walk out of the car while racing

 

[MaxAttack]

Adventures in Race A - my half hour qualifying netted me a time I can't quite remember, fast enough for 2nd on the grid in both my races, my highest qualifying ever.

Race 1, spinning my wheels off the line but all tidy from there. A lonely race where the guy in p1 was pulling away and p3 battling the guy behind me made it a matter of running my laps and coming home 2nd, my best result ever!

Race 2, TC on 1 for the launch. This one had more racing, seeing the top 3 shuffle around during the first two laps, ending with a run through the back straight where I knew I had the speed, and put a clean overtake through on the inside through the two flat out connecting corners that lead up to the final turn. Put the power down with perfect timing and I was off, my two competitors outdriving themselves and eating barrier on the exit of turn 1. B Y E B Y E L A D S... All said and done I had an eight or so second lead.

My first win! In a Honda Fit of all things.

DR: 1 pixel from C. Then I entered FIA and lost most of it. Oops.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

I tried the Gr3 4C last night at Kyoto and it was surprisingly quicker than I expected it to be

I think it's underrated (somehow the only one on the grid using it in all my races so far) and I definitely prefer to drive it over popular choices like the 911 and Supra. It has great tyre/fuel efficiency and handles really well around the tight hairpins. It's also more forgiving without TCS.

That said, I've still yet to try several other Gr.3s but so far it's my firm favourite.

 

[Pigems]

I got my Interlagos time down to a 38.5 with an Optimal of 38.1, I’m so close at this point, just gotta string it together. Thanks again for the help @MattJones_e36

 

[Melbourne Park]

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[Melbourne Park]

Good thing I had good races in the ...

Hey, where did you go? SpacedustDaddy? Wednesday night, I was just back from an important club meeting - I had a couple of races earlier, but it was the 1st race at Interlagos sneer ai got back from the club - and there you were, 1/10th a second faster qualifier than me (To_Blitz). We would have had a good race I reckon. I was in a blue Lancer - but then when the window changed, you were gone. I won the race and scored maybe 600 points. If you'd have hung around, you'd have scored more!!!! I promise not to bump you!!

Man it's hard to avoid contact in Race b, really hard. i am skating on thin ice, don't want to be reset but i keep tripping over people.

I definitely find i am less competitive in Group 4 than Group 3, I just cannot find the same relative pace. i think it's because TC1 is useless in Group 4 and TC2 is WAY WAY too strong. I can use the Hurucan with TC0 but it understeers so much I prefer the 'vette.

The Lancer is fast in a straight though and its easy to handle the entrance corner to the straight. And it turns brilliantly too in tight corners. And its impossible to run wide when you get used to it. It feels light too. I think my slow race pace (and I gained 5k points in 7 races yesterday) in the races is because I am conservative but also, my throttle control is the thing that is costing me better pace. I am going to play with using less throttle around the curves. At Suzuka short Eastern course last week, my sub 58 second laps were when I was using less throttle than it felt like was appropriate. Even when the car was straight. Even with that AWD Nissan ...

A major flaw with GTS is IMO the fact that the TC light does not flicker when TC is set at zero. If it did we'd know we were using too much throttle. The Aliens know this by practicing. We don't have the time, so please PD, let us know when we are over throttling. Tyre squeal doesn't do that effectively.

And also PD, work out how to select our shadow car from a previous practice. Qualifying would be super fun if you could put your best time in a Corvette at Interlagos against the Nissan GTR you were having a trial with. And how great would it be if we could down load a top 10 qualifier shadow car and practice against that?

 

[breeminator]

Wow, that handbrake use around Interlagos. The #1 time had 5 uses of the handbrake. I'd already noticed the handbrake has comedy physics, where it actually propels the rear of the car sideways rather than just locking the back wheels up. I can see why they made it like that, so people can turn around fairly easily if they end up facing the wrong way during a race, but it's that comedy physics that is making it able to be exploited to do faster lap times. I guess it is what it is and I'll have to learn to use it if I don't want to stay 7644th on the EMEA leaderboard.

 

[Invisigoth]

That last bit is key imo. I'm not sure why PD doesn't let people use csa anymore. I turned it off last Christmas but if it helps people not spin out and give me a penalty on their way off the track, let them use it!

If the issue is that CSA can make certain cars faster, then fix that instead of removing it. If it only helps with consistency, then leave it. The penalty system is too dumb to figure out who's in control and who is causing the accident.

I'm a pretty crappy driver (there's a reason I'm still DR/D ), but I'm finding having CSA suddenly dropped not that big of a deal. They have changed something with the handling because the cars are easier to control now than they used to be if you turned off CSA yourself. It's been a lot easier to catch the car when it's got out of shape 👍.

 

[Melbourne Park]

Sheets, they are using handbrake? At the end of the main straight maybe? I hope my wheel has a button which works for the handbrake. My Porsche RSR wheel from Fanatic doesn't support hybrid power on/off. A real bummer.

I haven't sat down to race since last November, used to it now. Only in VR I have to remember not to walk out of the car while racing

Do you use it for racing? I have Sony's VR ... I did not use it for racing. The resolution was pretty poor too. Its connected to everything though ... the side vision was excellent.

 

[CrimsonKing]

@CrimsonKing
Ive seen you many times in races. I always see your qual. times high up on the grid and strive to get near them. You have really good pace and seem very consistent and respectful.
Awesome to know you're a gtp'er. Hope to race with out there again.

Thank you. I've seen you a couple of times as well. I always try to race clean as a priority but sometimes make some silly mistakes as documented by Sven. See you on the track!

 

[Pigems]

Wow, that handbrake use around Interlagos. The #1 time had 5 uses of the handbrake. I'd already noticed the handbrake has comedy physics, where it actually propels the rear of the car sideways rather than just locking the back wheels up. I can see why they made it like that, so people can turn around fairly easily if they end up facing the wrong way during a race, but it's that comedy physics that is making it able to be exploited to do faster lap times. I guess it is what it is and I'll have to learn to use it if I don't want to stay 7644th on the EMEA leaderboard.

I’ve now got it down to a 38.4(I had more but I blew the last corner) with an Optimal of 38.1 with Zero hand brake use. You can definitely be plenty fast without it.



BB +2

 

[MattJones_e36]

I got my Interlagos time down to a 38.5 with an Optimal of 38.1, I’m so close at this point, just gotta string it together. Thanks again for the help @MattJones_e36

No need to thank me, i didn't even pinpoint the turns, you did the work yourself, congratulations Interlagos seems daunting at first but it's actually quite fun once you get the hang of it.

 

[breeminator]

I’ve now got it down to a 38.4(I had more but I blew the last corner) with an Optimal of 38.1 with Zero hand brake use. You can definitely be plenty fast without it.

Thanks, that's definitely a nice tidy lap to try to copy. It doesn't help that I think the last time I drove Interlagos was one of the F1 games on the PS2, and I don't think I liked it much back then either!

 

[Glassybubbles]

Here goes - my first post!

Been sinking some hours into GT's sport mode after sleeping on it for the longest time and, on the whole, I'm loving it. Encountered my first hiccup this evening however, thanks to Race B. Unfortunately, after sweating getting up to DR B on Monday, today's racing has slewed my 14000 B DR down to a 7000 C (yikes). This is a result of a nose-diving SR from this track, which ultimately reset me. I actually found this forum by looking into whether Interlagos is a common problem for SR murdering, and it seems my suspicions have been confirmed.

Now I am not claiming to be as innocent as the virgin Mary, but I do try my absolute best to have a clean race (hover around B/A SR during my time playing so far). What shocked me with this race though was how easy it is to quickly rack up repeated SR down's! Most annoying of which were due to people wildly slamming it up the inside on T7, 8 & 9; the penalty system did sometimes recognise a fault and rightly put it their way, but a worrying amount of times it ended up being me with a 3+ second pen?! Further to that, the general kerfuffle around all points of the track means a fair number of -'s get unfairly chucked your way just because others are going 3, sometimes 4 wide into corners around me and causing chaos.

Such a shame as I run somewhat consistent 1:40's in race with a low 1:39 quali in my TT Cup for this track. This does generally leave me with 5th & above finishes.

Starting to wish I'd looked into it sooner as I was unawares of a) DR resets and b) there are tracks which do just end up being inherently messy. Going forward I'll definitely be lurking here to see what the situation is before I commit most of my time to any races.

All saltiness aside.. onwards and upwards. I must admit, it can be funny when a pack wrecks out and you get a 'moses' moment . Tried C today as B was getting tiresome on the eyes (and SR ) and enjoyed it, gonna give that my focus from now on.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Sheets, they are using handbrake? At the end of the main straight maybe? I hope my wheel has a button which works for the handbrake. My Porsche RSR wheel from Fanatic doesn't support hybrid power on/off. A real bummer.

Do you use it for racing? I have Sony's VR ... I did not use it for racing. The resolution was pretty poor too. Its connected to everything though ... the side vision was excellent.

Not actually for racing, just time trial when the daily races are too boring / frustrating. The resolution is fine after you get used to it, the lack of cars on the road is not. Wipeout VR is the full game in VR and looks excellent. Before GTS I was addicted to DriveClub VR, maxed out everything and then some.

It is pretty blurry though and a huge downgrade from the regular game. Still tons of fun. Online races were hard to find unfortunately. It did not help that they didn't change the structure of starting a race every few minutes. You had to keep trying until you got in the cycle where other people were actually playing and then hope for 4 or 5 opponents for a couple races. I assume the online is pretty much dead now.

 

[Pigems]

No need to thank me, i didn't even pinpoint the turns, you did the work yourself, congratulations Interlagos seems daunting at first but it's actually quite fun once you get the hang of it.

Thanks, I’m actually starting to enjoy it a bit myself now. You told me where to look, that’s all I needed.

Thanks, that's definitely a nice tidy lap to try to copy. It doesn't help that I think the last time I drove Interlagos was one of the F1 games on the PS2, and I don't think I liked it much back then either!

Thanks, glad I could be of some help to you man. I’m still pretty new to this track myself, I don’t have many laps in on it before this week but it’s turned out to be an enjoyable challenge.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

I’ve now got it down to a 38.4(I had more but I blew the last corner) with an Optimal of 38.1 with Zero hand brake use. You can definitely be plenty fast without it.



BB +2

Nice lap, I'm currently down to 1:39.1 with the Huracan although I haven't done much refinement since Race C is taking up most of my playtime. Looks like I'm using, for the most part, completely different gear changes to you. I've been using gear 3 upon entering Pinheirinho from Esse while you're in gear 1.

Looks like I might have figured out what was keeping me out of the .38s.

 

[sturk0167]

Here goes - my first post!

Been sinking some hours into GT's sport mode after sleeping on it for the longest time and, on the whole, I'm loving it. Encountered my first hiccup this evening however, thanks to Race B. Unfortunately, after sweating getting up to DR B on Monday, today's racing has slewed my 14000 B DR down to a 7000 C (yikes). This is a result of a nose-diving SR from this track, which ultimately reset me. I actually found this forum by looking into whether Interlagos is a common problem for SR murdering, and it seems my suspicions have been confirmed.

Now I am not claiming to be as innocent as the virgin Mary, but I do try my absolute best to have a clean race (hover around B/A SR during my time playing so far). What shocked me with this race though was how easy it is to quickly rack up repeated SR down's! Most annoying of which were due to people wildly slamming it up the inside on T7, 8 & 9; the penalty system did sometimes recognise a fault and rightly put it their way, but a worrying amount of times it ended up being me with a 3+ second pen?! Further to that, the general kerfuffle around all points of the track means a fair number of -'s get unfairly chucked your way just because others are going 3, sometimes 4 wide into corners around me and causing chaos.

Such a shame as I run somewhat consistent 1:40's in race with a low 1:39 quali in my TT Cup for this track. This does generally leave me with 5th & above finishes.

Starting to wish I'd looked into it sooner as I was unawares of a) DR resets and b) there are tracks which do just end up being inherently messy. Going forward I'll definitely be lurking here to see what the situation is before I commit most of my time to any races.

All saltiness aside.. onwards and upwards. I must admit, it can be funny when a pack wrecks out and you get a 'moses' moment . Tried C today as B was getting tiresome on the eyes (and SR ) and enjoyed it, gonna give that my focus from now on.

Welcome to the forum. Ironically you got reset while trying to race clean, and here's me trying to get reset by doing donuts, driving backwards, and hitting walls, getting about 15 SR downs that didn't reset me, but instead got me a clean race bonus.

 

[bdubclub]

I’ve now got it down to a 38.4(I had more but I blew the last corner) with an Optimal of 38.1 with Zero hand brake use. You can definitely be plenty fast without it.



BB +2

Great lap man, but you lost a bunch (racing terms so maybe two tenths) of time in turns 6 and 7 (the double right). Your right tires should be on that curb, on entry and exit. Clean that corner up and you should be knocking on 37’s. Just my observation man, maybe it will help, maybe it won’t.

 

[rosuazld]

Here is a prime example of my "overtaking skills"...
I would say that 95%+ of my overtakes are done using this "technique".



FYI. Started 9th, finished 5th. Clean race bonus.