"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[RZQSPEED]

That's weird, I thought the McLaren F1 was much faster than everything else in a straight line At least according to Route X testing when it got released.

Maybe this has to do with something: a minor stat change in Top Speed.

 

[Melbourne Park]

Yet to crack the :40. Reading earlier of the BB on lancer at -3.. had mine to +4. Gonna give it a whirl as soon as wife and kids take off shopping

My approach:

Hang on - I can only help if you have a wheel?

 

[sturk0167]

Was this using MT or AT, and if MT, did you remember it has 7 gears, not 6?

Ha ha. Good point. I drove all of them with A/T, TCS 2, and BoP on. All other settings on default. I'm sure these aren't the best possible speeds, but it's just meant to compare them to each other, under identical conditions. I used no brakes at the Tertre Rouge corner. The A/T in Gr.3 cars performs really well, so I don't think a M/T would make a big difference. The only one that seemed like it may be at it's max speed was the Volkswagen GTI. All others had more in them.

 

[Shearzy]

My approach:

Hang on - I can only help if you have a wheel?

I do. G29. I liked -2.

 

[Melbourne Park]

I have had a fun time today in the Lancer, but to race it with the good guys it really must have a great qualifying.

I've raced a few times with the S, A+ guys today, and I finished in 5th place 2 seconds behind the leader. Three of the cars just in front were 1:37.5 qualifiers from Japan and one I think from Australia. I should have come 4th because the 1:38.2 driver in front of me was slow in the race. He blocked and carried on and was aggro. Quite annoying because I was so much faster around the track, but the main straight - I would close to 0.25 seconds behind him, and then he would drive away to 0.440. I have a new Makita chain saw - I'd like to cut 4 inches of the Lancer's bulbous "head in the clouds" roof. If you can get 1.0 second in front, then its almost as fast as a Hurican on the straight. In another race, I was behind the same guy again, but instead of starting 6th, I started 8th. And we were swamped on the first straight leading to turn 4. The guy behind hit me and I went left, got 4 seconds penalty (explain that???) and I ended up maybe 11th. painful . Another race I had been away for some hours, I came in and ran the race without a practice. Hence my excuse for thinking I had put the car in 3rd leaving the first corner. No - it was still in second ... I then got punted and fell right back, and despite coming through, I though I deserved the big SR downgrade.

Good news for me was that I can race with the good guys. Even in a car which can only overtake via the curves agains very good Hurican drivers. It was almost all Huricans ...

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Ha ha. Good point. I drove all of them with A/T, TCS 2, and BoP on. All other settings on default. I'm sure these aren't the best possible speeds, but it's just meant to compare them to each other, under identical conditions. I used no brakes at the Tertre Rouge corner. The A/T in Gr.3 cars performs really well, so I don't think a M/T would make a big difference. The only one that seemed like it may be at it's max speed was the Volkswagen GTI. All others had more in them.

Which car has the true highest speed will also depend on the rev limiter while drafting. Last time with no chicane the rev limiter was the equalizer on the long straight, hit it and overtake denied. You had about 2kph room to crawl by while carefully balancing throttle right at the rev limit. It took half the straight to make a draft pass

 

[praiano63]

By Igor Fraga . Under 2:14 lap explained It look so easy.....

 

[sturk0167]

Which car has the true highest speed will also depend on the rev limiter while drafting. Last time with no chicane the rev limiter was the equalizer on the long straight, hit it and overtake denied. You had about 2kph room to crawl by while carefully balancing throttle right at the rev limit. It took half the straight to make a draft pass

Thankfully, they killed that in a recent update. Now, it's not supposed to bounce off the rev limiter, anymore.
I did some full laps this morning, and I was really missing the downforce of Gr.1 cars. I also turned on the penalties. That last left coming out of the Corvette Curves has more strict limits than I remember.

 

[Melbourne Park]

I do. G29. I liked -2.

K, great. Had a G27 for GT 4. Annoying that it wasn't fully supported on the PS4.

So have the cones on.

Brake at the cones on the right or just after, end of the main straight, from full speed. Don't hit the brakes super hard to start with. Slow the car until your approaching the single cone on the right - then turn the wheel lots under brakes and aim for the white curbing on the left. Try and get all of the left wheels on the curbing and follow it around. And go into second gear. And a big key - when you turn, lift off the throttle. The tail will kick out. Get 2nd gear. Then try and get onto the power as soon as you can. its full power all the way if your line is good. Then try and get the car onto the right side of the track, by now in 3rd gear. Try and get as far across that curbing on the right as you can, without getting a penalty. You have to be fast with the wheel, going from left off the straight, and then right. Early power on the Lancer is a key - it understeers at first but then the front grabs and it becomes gloriously neutral. Then cross the right apex curbing and get onto the left curb, and follow it to the left. If the left wheels are inside that curbing - just to the left of it on exit - that is fine. Further left of the curbing you may get into difficulty.

Then you're onto the straight and aim for the cone on the right of the track.

Next is corner 4.

Your on the right, and I brake just after the twin brake cones. Brake smoothly. You can start braking at the cones, smoothly. The turn the wheel left under brakes, and lift the brake pedal off somewhat. The tail will kick out. At the same time, feed in power. Its important to really shave that corner. Go close to the one on the left there. When you've got well left, release the partial brake. If you look like running wide, add a touch of brake. You might have to lift the throttle a tiny bit during all this, but the earlier its full throttle the better.

OK next is corner 5. Lightly brake before the corner and lift the throttle. Turning when you lift. The tail will move. Try and get the right apex curbing. Then smoothly apply the power until its full power - the car will magically pull towards the cone further up on the kink apex on the right of the track. Try to be close to that apex on the left, but more important is keeping momentum. Then setup for corner 6.

Six is the fun part.; You've now left that right kink apex, and you've headed over and out wide on the left, going quick, and you can cross the left curbing a bit. Smoothly brake and turn and once again, lift off the throttle and the brakes - right off with maybe extreme lock until you get it right. You might have to touch the brakes to get to the right curb, with the car turning to the right. Smoooooothly apply the throttle so the car arrives neatly at the next left corner. You can swing from the right into that corner. The be really tight around that corner. You can touch the brakes to keep the car right on those curbs. Then smoothly power out of corner 7.. those apexs are 2nd gear.

corner 8 - You brake heading towards the cone on the left there - and swing the wheel quickly so you get the apex on the right. Lift the throttle a heap there with the brake off. Your in second now. The tail will swing out - when you clip that apex, feed in a touch of power, then feed in smoothly to full power, the car will tear you out of that corner too. No one can touch the Lancer on those corners I reckon.

Now you can follow the left curb and the car can be one that curb without worries. Got to the right and then simply - time your braking, be right on the right, then clip the left apex, lots of wheel turning left, lots of power - and off you go. There earlier your onto full power the better. Experts here advise the most import corners for speed are the chicane after the main straight, and entry to the main straight. But in the Lancer the curves are really sweet.

Try traction off because its a super stable car. And it won't respond well I reckon with TC on.

-3 BB is great although it can lock the tyres, but that is just learning to be smooth even with ABS on (and I should turn it off to see but the weeks over and I've not learn't that yet). And with -3 you can be powering on at the same time as you brake and the car is nicely planted when you do that.

Find O5XR8's video posted a few pages ago ... he did a 1:38.2 days ago! it'll show you how to do it too. Hopefully my notes will explain the trick of lifting the throttle and turning which avoids over braking, and over braking slows you down a lot.

and be patient it does take time. At least for me ...

 

[ASH32]

Tested more GR4 cars for Race B, WRX and NSX, dull and not fast enough. 458 is not bad but not easy to get the very best from, above average though if not quite making the top tier of cars in my view.

Did find a top tier car though, the Mustang, got into the 1:37s for the first time with this car (it's possible with a few others, just have not done it), no one told me it was this good.

Will probably try a few more tomorrow even though it's a bit late now.

 

[NoStopN]

Been driving last night & this morning. I got one achievement cleared out & am knocking on getting 2 more taken out. Earlier this week, I broke into the S ranking for SR. I thought the races would be more civilized & cleaner. Think again. I was playing pinball, not Gran Turismo. Either way, I tried to get a better QT for Race C. These are my 2 best tries.

 

[JoeyLeonine]

I broke into the S ranking for SR. I thought the races would be more civilized & cleaner. Think again. I was playing pinball, not Gran Turismo.

I wouldn't worry or necessarily aspire for a high SR any more. When you can go from S to B within a couple of 'Lagos wipeouts and then back up to S again with one race around Kyoto you start to realise its all relative and no guide at all to the quality of race to expect.

This week has proven it to me most of all.

 

[breeminator]

I tried Interlagos with a few different cars, but was still fastest when I eventually went back to the Huracan. Scraped below 1:40 with a 1:39.9, optimal 1:39.5, but looking at the DR of people near me on the leaderboard, I'm clearly well short of the pace needed to compete at my DR, so I think I'll sit out the actual racing this week and just enjoy my "gamed" K' Speed Score from only doing races A and B in qualifying, which have both given me improved % time gaps compared to my current worst counting performances.

 

[sdi_03]

This time took a lot of work. But really happy with it. Now I can start waiting next week.
Did few laps first with the 911, it was fun to drive, much more stable than the FT-1 and easy to keep consistent.
Best time for 911 2:16.83x so didn't catch Pigems with it

Now for the FT-1 its much faster, but bit nervous. Optimum time for it was 2:15.4xx
Best lap (of like 60) today 2:16.234. / BB 2

 

[05XR8]

Tested more GR4 cars for Race B, WRX and NSX, dull and not fast enough. 458 is not bad but not easy to get the very best from, above average though if not quite making the top tier of cars in my view.

Did find a top tier car though, the Mustang, got into the 1:37s for the first time with this car (it's possible with a few others, just have not done it), no one told me it was this good.

Will probably try a few more tomorrow even though it's a bit late now.

*raises hand* I kind of did, some pages back. Used all the FR V8 cars, bar the RC F. Solid performers.

 

[CrimsonKing]

I finished the Gr.3 speed test at Circuit de la Sarthe. Again, this is the top speed achieved right before the braking zone at the first chicane on the Mulsanne straight. I didn't bother testing both M6s or both RCFs. I don't believe the cars with the highest speed are necessarily going to be the ones with the fastest laps. Braking and handling need to be factored in. I don't really know how to quantify those things, though. This list may be better for figuring out which ones to avoid. Even the best handling won't overcome a huge speed difference. I hope some of you may find this useful for race B.

180 McLaren F1
179 Peugeot VGT
178 Ford GT
177 Huracan
177 SLS
177 F-type
177 M3
176 Supra
176 GTR
175 FT-1
175 NSX
175 Mustang
175 4C
175 Viper
175 458
175 Corvette
174 R8
174 GTI
174 650S
174 Citroen GT
174 Beetle
174 AMG GT3
174 Vantage
173 M6
173 Genesis
173 RCF
173 911
172 RCZ
172 Z4
171 Lancer
171 WRX
171 R.S.01
170 Atenza

I wouldn't recommend anything under 175 for this track.

Oh no, my beloved Lexus is gonna suffer.

 

[O604]

Was bored so did some reading on Interlagos.

Official name is Autódromo José Carlos Pace. Located in the Socorro/Cidade Dutra district in San Paulo. Situated between two artificial lakes/reservoirs. Interlagos translates to "between lakes".

Found this video of the Annual Ayrton Senna Racing Day (running). Shows a lot of the track, stands and pits. And looks cool with people running on the track. And you can really notice the elevation changes.

 

[JoeyLeonine]

So this happened.

Some of my faith in online racing has been restored.

Do watch it all if you fancy, but my personal highlights are the fun at 2:15, 3:50 and 6:13.

Oh and if anyone fancies reviewing the 'incident' at 3:05 then be my guest!

 

[Melbourne Park]

I tried Interlagos with a few different cars, but was still fastest when I eventually went back to the Huracan. Scraped below 1:40 with a 1:39.9, optimal 1:39.5, but looking at the DR of people near me on the leaderboard, I'm clearly well short of the pace needed to compete at my DR, so I think I'll sit out the actual racing this week and just enjoy my "gamed" K' Speed Score from only doing races A and B in qualifying, which have both given me improved % time gaps compared to my current worst counting performances.

I wouldn't presume the qualifying is the same as their race pace. Its been quite painful for me at Interlagos with some fast Hurican qualifiers who don't have the race pace. Maybe though the Hurican is not so brilliant in the race ... except its impossible for me in a Lancer to pass one on a straight.

And some A drivers get really agro when one passes them on the curves. I reckon there should be an A- category, then an A category, then an A+ category. I reckon standard A drivers (lets say that's under 40k) are just as agro as C drivers.

So this happened.

Some of my faith in online racing has been restored.

Do watch it all if you fancy, but my personal highlights are the fun at 2:15, 3:50 and 6:13.

Oh and if anyone fancies reviewing the 'incident' at 3:05 then be my guest!

When you're way back and you go for an Apex inside of the racing line, its called "dive bombing".

 

[sturk0167]

I wouldn't presume the qualifying is the same as their race pace. Its been quite painful for me at Interlagos with some fast Hurican qualifiers who don't have the race pace. Maybe though the Hurican is not so brilliant in the race ... except its impossible for me in a Lancer to pass one on a straight.

And some A drivers get really agro when one passes them on the curves. I reckon there should be an A- category, then an A category, then an A+ category. I reckon standard A drivers (lets say that's under 40k) are just as agro as C drivers.

I feel like I don't really care that much about anybody else's DR rating. If all it showed at the beginning of a race was SR scores, I'd be fine with that.

 

[JoeyLeonine]

When you're way back and you go for an Apex inside of the racing line, its called "dive bombing".

I completely respect where you're coming from and recognise your POV.

In my defence, I've hit my same braking point every time for those moves and recent experience has taught me not to follow on the line behind otherwise you end up tapping bumpers if they decide to brake early. Other than the first lap rescue-by-ghosting, I thought they were alright moves.

But as I say, I respect the gtplanet community judgement! Maybe I was the only one of the 4 of us to actually enjoy that battle after all...

 

[Melbourne Park]

But as I say, I respect the gtplanet community judgement! Maybe I was the only one of the 4 of us to actually enjoy that battle after all...

There's a blue line that you can select which shows what the game says is the racing line. There are also cones that you can select which show the apexs of the corners.

I am not GTPlanet, and some should think me a "A hole" ... please put in abuse terms here .... etc etc.

But IMO racing is more fun if it's done on the racing line. And with overtaking, it's more fun to overtake clean. There's nothing wrong with sitting tight behind, and waiting for an error. And if they run wide you can then make a clean pass. IMO if you pass someone, they should be saying : "That guy is good". I reckon the game should engender respect. Also I don't think one should give people a "fright".

I feel like I don't really care that much about anybody else's DR rating. If all it showed at the beginning of a race was SR scores, I'd be fine with that.

You have more faith in the SR scores than I do! IMO DR shows you can race or at least work at the game. SR for me is just a single point in time. Its pretty easy IMO to loose 22 SR in one race.

It would be interesting though if one knew their whole SR score ... and probably terrible. Imagine what it would be like if everyone knew you were on SR 36 and about to be re-set ...

I completely respect where you're coming from and recognise your POV.

In my defence, I've hit my same braking point every time for those moves and recent experience has taught me not to follow on the line behind otherwise you end up tapping bumpers if they decide to brake early. Other than the first lap rescue-by-ghosting, I thought they were alright moves.

But when a car is in front you will loose downforce and brake later.

On that corner, if you are gaining on the car in front of you after the previous corner, stick to the racing line, and then hit that apex with lots of speed, you'll be behind that guy but then you could have overtaken him on the inside before the next corner. If you miss time it and he's still outside of you and really next to you, then you can either back off and let him have the corner, or you can slow down and drive solely on the curb, giving him heaps of room on the outside of that corner. With room, neither of you will hit each other. However he will then be inside of you and your positions will be changed. He won't hit you because you've shown respect. You can go outside him there as he will be on the inside and going slower. You'll then have the inside and likely you'll be clean in front. Or wait for the main straight. But by driving faster by using the fast racing lines, you'll be close to the cars in front. Good driving and that guy will respect the while endeavour.

The tapping bumping guy in the Hurican - he IMO showed you that he was upset. If a guy is really upset, is it worth driving away from him? Many here would have let that guy pass them after that (your) pass. What's the harm in giving a place back? Then start racing him again.

Its all about respect IMO. I had five races in a row with the same guy yesterday. We may have touched ... I pulled over before the finish line. But I did not know he had incurred a likely false penalty. So despite me loosing by half a second when I pulled over, his penalty cost him the win. The next race I beat him but it was close, we never touched. The next race I beat him and he ran wide. The next race I pulled over before the line and gave him the win. After all he could have bumped me off many times, we were close. I knew my wins were really due to his good clean driving. And I thought when I first raced him, that he was an agro nut. My perspective of him was very wrong. IMO its worthwhile to put yourself in the other driver's shoes (head). The game essentially is about racing lines and respect, and different cars' performances.

Rant over ...

 

[05XR8]

HUD Off, cockpit view. I was still fast, but missed my braking point twice. Lost two positions. Been used to hood view for the last couple weeks.

Race C is easy in cockpit view. Maybe due to the wider run off and edges of the circuit.

I always ran cockpit view, but seems like I can get literally up on the steering wheel for the apex. I'll go back to hood view next race.
Yet and still, been a fan of cockpit view since the first ToCA days. Love that touring car feel of being low in the seat, barely seeing over the steering wheel.

 

[Melbourne Park]

HUD Off, cockpit view. I was still fast, but missed my braking point twice. Lost two positions. Been used to hood view for the last couple weeks.

Race C is easy in cockpit view. Maybe due to the wider run off and edges of the circuit.

I always ran cockpit view, but seems like I can get literally up on the steering wheel for the apex. I'll go back to hood view next race.
Yet and still, been a fan of cockpit view since the first ToCA days. Love that touring car feel of being low in the seat, barely seeing over the steering wheel.

I race bumper view because I can't shake it. But on an oval I race from behind. Because I can shave the apex's better from behind, and my vision of cars behind me is better in the behind view. Strangely I am faster on an oval when driving from behind. From behind on a normal race circuit, I am a lot slower. With the inside the cockpit, I am claustrophobic in those interior views, I get confused about the revs, where the heck is the mirror, those fat A pillars are not like my road car's, and I have to now wear a tight racing harness.

 

[05XR8]

I finished the Gr.3 speed test at Circuit de la Sarthe. Again, this is the top speed achieved right before the braking zone at the first chicane on the Mulsanne straight. I didn't bother testing both M6s or both RCFs. I don't believe the cars with the highest speed are necessarily going to be the ones with the fastest laps. Braking and handling need to be factored in. I don't really know how to quantify those things, though. This list may be better for figuring out which ones to avoid. Even the best handling won't overcome a huge speed difference. I hope some of you may find this useful for race B.

180 McLaren F1
179 Peugeot VGT
178 Ford GT
177 Huracan
177 SLS
177 F-type
177 M3
176 Supra
176 GTR
175 FT-1
175 NSX
175 Mustang
175 4C
175 Viper
175 458
175 Corvette
174 R8
174 GTI
174 650S
174 Citroen GT
174 Beetle
174 AMG GT3
174 Vantage
173 M6
173 Genesis
173 RCF
173 911
172 RCZ
172 Z4
171 Lancer
171 WRX
171 R.S.01
170 Atenza

I wouldn't recommend anything under 175 for this track.

The M6 gets severely handicapped with power. Down from 581 to 555. While Vantage jumps from 519 to 581. C7 is 551 to 568. All three weigh about the same at 1325-1326kg

 

[sturk0167]

The M6 gets severely handicapped with power. Down from 581 to 555. While Vantage jumps from 519 to 581. C7 is 551 to 568. All three weigh about the same at 1325-1326kg

I definitely had higher hopes for the Vantage.

 

[05XR8]

I definitely had higher hopes for the Vantage.

It's old, but I'm still going to run it. I'm going to run the Atenza as well. There are only 2 laps.

Realistically, anyone starting below 7th, just have some clean fun. If you make up spots, sweet, but make the replays look good.

On another note, another John "Cryer". Jeez. If you're beat fair and square, take your lumps. Some players just need to suck it up.

 

[Tea_Leaves]

I'm going to miss this week's Race C. One of the most fun combos since Gr.3 at Bathurst for me. I've mostly used the 4C but decided to switch it up with the AMG '16 for this race in a lobby of DR B and a few As. One advantage of the AMG I like is its gear torque which fits like a glove around this track but a disadvantage is its tendency to lightly oversteer in places compared to the 4C. I used TCS 0 with BB at +2.

I started P12 with a 2:17.9 QT. Lap 1 went fine up until the hairpin after going down the first hill where two cars dueled and took each out. So up to P9 and next is where all the craziness happened at turn 8. 4 cars in front of me collided into each other with 2 of them ending up spinning out. I honestly don't know how I escaped the carnage. Similar to one of those movie scenes with flames in the background and a single car appearing out of it all. Up to P4, then.

Lap 2 - 4 went smooth and I was behind a competent P3 who had cemented a 1 second gap. I pitted at the end of Lap 4 for fuel and fresh Mediums. I contemplated pitting on Lap 5 instead but felt my front tyres were a bit too beaten even though I would of had the lap to myself.

Lap 5 and out of the pits, I gained some time behind P3 since I presume he needed to refuel more (I was at 1.3 fuel left before pitting.) I managed to cleanly pass him down the first hill but he passed me at the tight hairpin before entering the next steep uphill by pushing me aside. He did begin flashing his back lights to signal (I assume) he was sorry which is nice since I rarely see that.

Lap 6 - 8 was a case of remaining composed and consistent. P5 was gradually closing the gap on me and we exchanged a few passes with each other; all clean and tidy. That was the most fun part for me when you're having an honest clean battle with someone. I fortunately ended out on top and while not quite making a podium spot, I finished P4 which is my overall best that I'll gladly take.

 

[AUTISTICBOYX]

Ok tired the 4C again for Race B qualifying but it is just slow at accelerating and has poor top speed, I'm driving it badly too but even if I were not it'll just get swamped by other cars in a race.

Tried the Vantage and SLS but they are not quick enough to bother to put time and effort into running a good lap or to even think about using them in a race over other cars.

Also tried the RCZ and boy is that thing quick, fastest in a straight line in fact but to say it understeers is a understatement. Use one of these in a race and you'll annoy everyone else just as much as a Veyron user, well if you don't just understeer off the track, which is likely if you end up having to take anything other than the ideal line through a corner.

The vantage was the second fastest car for me after the lambo. Give it another go!

 

[breeminator]

Do watch it all if you fancy, but my personal highlights are the fun at 2:15, 3:50 and 6:13.

I'd be interested to know what others think, but IMO the overtake after 6:13 is not legitimate. The reason is you positioned yourself on the inside, basically looking as if you're going to divebomb the car in front. You didn't have track position for a legitimate overtake, you were too far back. Because some people do divebomb, the car in front takes evasive action. I know exactly what was going through their mind because I've done the same thing myself, gone off the track on the outside rather than hit a divebomber. So basically, the mere threat of the divebomb ruined his line through the corner, because he left you space on the apex, which is what sent him off the track on the outside. So is it legitimate to cause the driver in front to do that by the threat of an illegitimate overtake, even if you didn't actually follow through with the divebomb?