"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[sturk0167]

Ya, I know. It can be frustrating. Of course. But, that frustration, is part of why it's good. It is the Yin and Yang. The only way back to the good side is to battle through the bad. Find a way. On the other side of the agony of defeat is the thrill of victory!

I will leave this here. No truer words have ever been said in film.

That's some solid advice, but if I'm being honest, I'm more like this guy -->

Spoiler: Foul language

 

[Gersicer]

It's a really tough car/track combo for finding the perfect car. There are Gr.1 cars with great top speed, ones with great acceleration, and ones with great handling. There aren't any Gr.1 cars that are great in all three of those categories. Not sure about fuel economy differences.

All I use is the Mazda LM55. It feels well balanced to me, and the AWD gets me good grip on corner exit. It's won me a bunch of Lemans races. I did a lobby race yesterday against a Porsche 919 Hybrid. It had fantastic acceleration, but once speeds got up around 160-170 mph, I pulled away and took back everything he gained.

The Peugeot 908, Audi R18, Nissan R92CP, and Toyota TS050 Hybrid are usually the most popular.

It took me 3 laps to lower my best by 2 seconds with the ts050 ..... Guess I have a new livery to make

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

I haven't been able to put together any consistent laps on the Ring this round so I've stayed clear from racing. I'm really wrestling with the new physics and trying to relearn the course and it's a big headache.

 

[Kwame]

Just keep in mind that most people in the Daily races don't expect to win or get the fastest lap. And probably quite a few don't even care. I suppose most people will be happy if they can just get a good clean battle with a similarly skilled driver.

You've got a ton of Sport racing experience, and you make some good points about TCS, but your goals are yours, alone. I think most people really just wanna enjoy themselves, regardless of the results. Some are looking for both. Some people are so serious about it that they have no fun.

I could get better/faster. There are a few things I could change, if I wanted to put in the time and effort that it takes. It isn't really important to me, though. I'm more in the "looking for a good time" category. That's why I do tons of races without qualifying.

@Groundfish isn't seeking world domination. He's a really good driver, but above all else, he appreciates having a good clean, competitive race.

I'm just saying let everyone be at whatever level they want to be at, and you do the same.

HERE HERE!!!!!

 

[Voodoovaj]

That's some solid advice, but if I'm being honest, I'm more like this guy -->

Spoiler: Foul language

LOL


Btw, I fired up the system and found hate mail from that guy @Sven Jurgens had on video. THAT is the part that bugs me. There's no need to take it outside the game.

 

[Qyn]

Do you have youtube on the TV? If so, you should be able to find the stream on the phone or PC and then connect to the TV through the cast button.

I figured it out last night. Turned out to be easier than I thought lol. Thanks again guys.

Now to figure out how to post vids and pics here again. I've done it once, but that was a fluke lol.

 

[WheelmanSteve]

I haven't been able to put together any consistent laps on the Ring this round so I've stayed clear from racing. I'm really wrestling with the new physics and trying to relearn the course and it's a big headache.

I'm with you on this. On the G29, steering and braking was PERFECT in 1.35. In 1.39 steering has gone all wobbly again, and I have to brake hard on the pedal stop to get any result.

 

[BallPtPenTheif]

I'm with you on this. On the G29, steering and braking was PERFECT in 1.35. In 1.39 steering has gone all wobbly again, and I have to brake hard on the pedal stop to get any result.

It's frustrating. I know it's just a lack of putting in the time but that exit understeer seems so random at times. I feather the throttle on exit but sometimes it goes wide and other times it grips. I'm also getting early turn in from trail braking on some of the cars and don't even get me started on recovering from a whip back through an esse or chicane. I still need to try out the AWD cars but it's been a hassle finding a car that reacts in a somewhat predictable way right now.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I cannot possibly disagree more. TCS is a sure fire way to lose and keep you within the clutches of troublesome drivers. If people want to remain mired alongside troublesome players, don't complain when you have troublesome players to contend with.

Consider this. Using TCS means that a person has not gained the skill of controlling the throttle, which, by extension, means they have not gained the skill of controlling anything else properly as well. Is it that surprising that the same driver brakes too early or too late?

Also, NEWSLFLASH, racing is a contact sport. There isn't one series out there where aggression is frowned upon.

I turned TCS off on day 1 and have played without since. Practicing with bad habits just reinforces those bad habits. It doesn't take much to stop the spinning. Either you lift a little or you grab another gear.

Newsflash watch the etiquette video again, GT Sport is a no contact sport, absolutely no contact allowed.

I have played without TCS in GT5 lobbies, no problem with a host that kicks dirty players, just very uncomfortable in the long run. Sport mode doesn't have that and all the nudges upset the car enough with TCS on to stay in control. You are guilty of nudging as well and you're fine with that kind of aggressive driving. However how do you get a better corner exit when you are already on the bumper of the car in front? How do you avoid the car in front when they end up in a little slide when you are right on their bumper? You don't leave yourself any options to avoid contact or get a better run out of a corner.

Aggression works in GTS because the penalty system fails. Yep you can nudge people, push them off line, upset their car, push them onto a kerb to slow them down so you can pass while the car ahead gets SR Down. Or any little bit of lag will do it for you. Plus it's a natural reaction for people to try to avoid a car coming in too close from behind, force them to lift off the brakes early and get a worse corner exit to avoid SR Down or getting bumped off road.

It's a shame the penalty system works in reverse. It's the responsibility of the car behind to overtake without contact.

Anyway I've seen you drive, going off repeatedly, which is how you ended up behind me. Don't talk about controlling anything properly if you can't stay on the track yourself Sorry don't mean to sound harsh, you are a fast clean driver, just a bit over ambitious now and then, focused on gaining DR.

You are right that sport mode is a clash of people with different goals. Me, I like no contact battles, carefully measure up the competition, wait for the right moment to make a clean pass. I'll stay a couple car lengths behind until I see an opening or until I'm sure the driver ahead is in control enough to move in a bit closer. Then you have the win at all cost drivers, they don't care about ratings, just bash their way to victory. And then you have the well prepared driver focused on gaining DR, your category, who get anxious after getting send to the back by a win at all cost driver and want to return to the front asap to limit DR loss.

LOL
Btw, I fired up the system and found hate mail from that guy @Sven Jurgens had on video. THAT is the part that bugs me. There's no need to take it outside the game.

I was hoping he would send me some so I could report him to Sony. They might take it a bit more seriously than PD's report system.

Anyway see you on track, I'll let you through if you fall back again. Just mind my bumper pls.

 

[Shearzy]

Aggression works because the penalty system fails.

Well said

 

[Pigems]

View attachment 830107 Aggression works because the penalty system fails.

Well said

It does, my first account has way more wins then my other two because I was much more aggressive when I first started playing, I didn’t mind a little bumping or swapping paint back then. Now I attempt to race without contact of any kind if/when possible and I don’t win nearly as much(when I race with a Q time) now because of it, even though I’m quite a bit faster now then I was back then.

 

[sturk0167]

@Gersicer
I just did a couple of custom races, mimicking next week's race C at Lemans. 2 pieces of good news. First, anyone trying to no-stop is gonna be slow. At the beginning of the race, a full tank of fuel was worth 3.8 laps (short-shifting won't get you 10 extra miles). Second, I think you can comfortably finish the race with the tires you started on. After the full 5 laps, my tires were only about 25% worn.

So, I'm pretty glad about those results. Leave it at full power. Stop for a splash of gas, and go hard! 👍

*Disclaimer: Tire wear in the race is 11x. Custom race is 10x.
*I used the Mazda LM55

Edit: Pigems proved me wrong about the fuel.

 

[Voodoovaj]

Anyway I've seen you drive, going off repeatedly, which is how you ended up behind me. Don't talk about controlling anything properly if you can't stay on the track yourself Sorry don't mean to sound harsh, you are a fast clean driver, just a bit over ambitious now and then, focused on gaining DR.

You can't find the limits if you don't go beyond them

Anyway see you on track, I'll let you through if you fall back again. Just mind my bumper pls.

I'll do my best

 

[Gersicer]

@Gersicer
I just did a couple of custom races, mimicking next week's race C at Lemans. 2 pieces of good news. First, anyone trying to no-stop is gonna be embarrassingly slow. At the beginning of the race, a full tank of fuel was worth 3.8 laps (short-shifting won't get you 10 extra miles). Second, I think you can comfortably finish the race with the tires you started on. After the full 5 laps, my tires were only about 25% worn.

So, I'm pretty glad about those results. Leave it at full power. Stop for a splash of gas after lap 2 or 3 (doesn't really matter), and go hard! 👍

*Disclaimer: Tire wear in the race is 11x. Custom race is 10x.
*I used the Mazda LM55

Cool ! I'll try a few myself. La Sarthe is not a track I particularly shine on. Then again .... I don't shine that much on any of them

I'll try a few laps on the Mazda also .... Just in case 👍

 

[sturk0167]

Cool ! I'll try a few myself. La Sarthe is not a track I particularly shine on. Then again .... I don't shine that much on any of them

I'll try a few laps on the Mazda also .... Just in case 👍

I'm doing a Gr.1 Lemans lobby race, again.

 

[Lion-Face]

Im going to stream later tonight, NZ time. I would like a selection of cars to try out that may be difficult to win with.

The Ferrari does it easy on fuel so don't know if I want to keep trying that. But the corvette seems to have good single lap pace but is slower in the race with fuel on board. Or the Viper maybe? Any suggestions? Or I could just keep pushing the Ferrari to try and go for a faster overall race time.

 

[RZQSPEED]

Any suggestions?

*Cough* GR Supra/either RC Fs/M6/Vantage/F-Type/R8 LMS/any VGT Gr.3 car/either Benzes *Cough*

On a side note: I barely broke into the 8:11s in the Supra!

 

[05XR8]

Set a time. See how it goes

Edit: Waaay too much fuel conserving. The racing was clean, but jeez. I had to pull up hard and also wait for the cars ahead. Lap 1, I made a mighty pass on the M6 at the start of the first long straight, but the R8 was so slow while I was behind it. The WRX had a penalty and that was holding us up too. The, the R8 forces its way ahead of the WRX. I caught the curb and spun off down to 6th.
I'll do one more and that's it, until Monday.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

You can't find the limits if you don't go beyond them

Very true. I wish sport mode had a practice option next to qualifying with the same settings as in race. Custom races don't have the option for the ridiculous tire wear and fuel settings to practice, without making yourself 'look bad'. I do practice a bit now and then in qualifying before the race starts and always get annoyed that the car behaves differently. No fuel weight, no tire wear, go to qualify mode and I brake slightly too soon, turn in slightly too soon, then back to race mode and have to adjust again not to go wide.

I drive like it's my own car, better to be a bit too safe than sorry

Im going to stream later tonight, NZ time. I would like a selection of cars to try out that may be difficult to win with.

The Ferrari does it easy on fuel so don't know if I want to keep trying that. But the corvette seems to have good single lap pace but is slower in the race with fuel on board. Or the Viper maybe? Any suggestions? Or I could just keep pushing the Ferrari to try and go for a faster overall race time.

This is my list so far of in race best laps while fuel saving with my better safe than sorry driving style.
Lexus should be much better as I used it early in the week and saved way too much fuel. Genesis was a nice surprise.
Huracan and Audi should be much faster as well, but suck at avoiding people, easy to upset those cars, but should be good from pole.

8:26.160 Genesis (3% left, quick in corners, slow on the straights)
8:26.374 F-Type (drafting a V12 Vantage)
8:26.510 Mustang (out of fuel, understeer)
8:26.630 Mercedes AMG (3% left)
8:27.639 Alfa Romeo 4C (2% left)
8:27.879 McLaren BMW (1% left)
8:28.119 Beetle (1% left)
8:28.387 Porsche 911 (3% left)
8:28.966 Lexus RC F (7% left, saved too much)
8:29.450 Corvette
8:29.703 V12 Vantage (1% left)
8:29.919 Peugeot VGT (2% left)
8:29.983 Toyota FT-1
8:30.220 Toyota Supra (out of fuel)
8:30.313 Renault RS01 (2% left)
8:30.977 Citroen GT (1% left, needs more fuel)
8:31.022 WRX (out of fuel)
8:31.434 Volkswagen GTI VGT (out of fuel, 47% for 2nd lap)
8:31.945 Atenza (5% left, just slow)
8:32.338 Lancer Evo (only 47% for 2nd lap)
8:33.610 Nissan GT-R (2% left, avoiding mess ups lap 2)
8:33.871 Audi R8 (too slidy to avoid chaos)
8:33.997 Dodge Viper (stable, needs more fuel)
8:34.418 BMW M3 Power (out of fuel)
8:35.636 Peugeot RCZ (4% left, chaos lap 2)
8:35.906 Huracan (2% left)
8:36.790 Ferrari (3% left, bumped into wall in best lap)
8:38.678 NSX (2% left)
8:39.685 McLaren 650S (lots of fuel saving)

So if you want difficult, try the bottom bunch

 

[05XR8]

Difficult is the passing. See how much these players conserve. I have to pass cars in the GP section and the final straight or it's just a train to the finish.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

Btw, I fired up the system and found hate mail from that guy @Sven Jurgens had on video. THAT is the part that bugs me. There's no need to take it outside the game.

I just turned my ps4 on and found some hate mail from him as well. I reported it to PSN (rude vulgar category) with the explanation that I've already reported him in GTS a dozen times. No clue if it will do anything, but I don't want that in my psn messages either which my kids see as well. He's blocked now.

Missed my race entry, bbq time!

 

[05XR8]

Oof! That LAncer took out some cars at T1. I caught .5 seconds for sideways grass cutting. I stayed on tail of the 911 all race, until.... numb finger started halfway in the last lap and the Porsche just drove away.

 

[Mistah_MCA]

Hey everyone! if you aren't fed up with N24 yet and also fancy some night racing, I'll be hosting a 2.4h of N24 on 30 June!
After Sven bribed me with 600 DR bucks the awesome turnout on the 2.4h of Le Mans race, I went ahead and got this race set up.

Details in this link (click me).

 

[Invisigoth]

I didn't do many races in gr. 1 and I'm practicing for next week at La Sarthe. Any idea on which car I should concentrate on ? I know it's also a matter of taste and driving style but ... I don't wanna buy 5-6 of them just to find out they're not really good and....I guess there are 2 or 3 that will be faster around there. So ....what's your guess ?

I'll be my usual bloody minded self and running Group C.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I'll be my usual bloody minded self and running Group C.

Amen!

This beauty will be on track all week

Here's my info from last time Sarthe GR.1 was on, testing all cars. BoP probably changed a bit by now though.

Top 5 fastest laps

3:25.914 Audi R18 '16
3:26.305 Porsche 919 Hybrid
3:26.469 Peugeot L750R Hybrid VGT
3:26.962 Peugeot 908 HDi Team Peugeot
3:27.538 Sauber Mercedes C9 '89

GR.C

3:27.538 Sauber Mercedes C9 '89
3:28.762 Nissan R92CP '92
3:29.018 Mazda 787B '91
3:30.026 Jaguar XJR-9 '88

Top 5 worst laps (best result of sample)

3:38.166 Bugatti VGT
3:37.209 Nissan GT-R LM Nismo
3:34.179 Alpine VGT '17
3:31.470 Audi VGT
3:30.262 Audi R18 '11


Top 5 fastest races

17:59.453 Audi R18 '16
18:05.352 Peugeot 908 HDi Team Peugeot
18:10.153 Toyota TS050 Hybrid '16
18:12.371 Nissan R92CP '92
18:13.298 Porshe 919 Hybrid

Top 5 worst races (best result of sample, estimated time if timed out DNF)

18:56.DNF Bugatti VGT
18:56.DNF Nissan GT-R LM Nismo
18:46.995 Alpine VGT
18:42.DNF Audi VGT
18:38.DNF McLaren VGT



Top 5 fastest winning cars (not me)

17:20.981 Audi R18 '16
17:29.539 Peugeot 908 HDi Team Peugeot
17:33.901 Porsche 919 Hybrid
17:42.090 Nissan R92CP '92
17:47.433 Peugeot L750R Hybrid VGT


Top 5 best pit times (% fuel needed)

35.934 Toyota TS050 Hybrid '16 (40%)
36.269 Dodge SRT Tomahawk (42%)
36.820 Mazda LM55 VGT
36.903 Peugeot 908 HDi Team Peugeot (46%)
37.638 Alpine VGT '17 (51%)

Top 5 worst pit time

40.774 Audi R18 (74%)
40.624 Sauber Mercedes C9 '89 (73%)
40.591 Hyundai N 2025 VGT (72%)
40.340 Mazda 787B '91 (70%)
40.390 McLaren VGT (70%)

I still drove AT back then, so no short shifting to save fuel, fuel map to make it 3 laps, then fuel for last 2 laps.

 

[TheMoose]

Before I had 3 races with this driver, who has rammed me before in the past, every time I see him. First race he ran into me in T1 spoiling my clean race already with SR Down. Next race he rams me in T1 again then punts me off at the Nord entrance. Third race he punts me in T1 then at the end again after I pass him while he's serving a penalty yet again. I recorded the last two races and made a little tribute to the dirtiest driver in GT Sport, watch out for this guy.

Why are these kind of drivers allowed back into SR.S

Raced him today, still quite the tool.

 

[Invisigoth]

This beauty will be on track all week.
Here's my info from last time Sarthe GR.1 was on, testing all cars. BoP probably changed a bit by now though.

Noice! It will be interesting to see how the Porsche 962C fares. Since I've never raced it, I'll have to pick out a dress for it to wear .

 

[Pigems]

I did some testing tonight with @sturk0167 for next week’s Race C. Both the Mazda VGT and the R92CP can go the whole 5 laps on FM1 with short shifting at half bar the entire race, but the Mazda is the better option, I messed up twice in that run and it was still faster, plus it’s way easier to drive.

Mazda VGT

R92CP

 

[sturk0167]

I did some testing tonight with @sturk0167 for next week’s Race C. Both the Mazda VGT and the R92CP can go the whole 5 laps on FM1 with short shifting at half bar the entire race, but the Mazda is the better option, I messed up twice in that run and it was still faster, plus it’s way easier to drive.

Mazda VGT
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R92CP
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I didn't think fuel-saving would be fast enough for that race. Good job. 👍 Not sure how to approach that race, now.
I think I still wanna go all out, and pit, but the difference may be that the fuel-savers will get beat up in the race.

@Pigems thank you for practicing with me.

 

[Sven Jurgens]

I did some testing tonight with @sturk0167 for next week’s Race C. Both the Mazda VGT and the R92CP can go the whole 5 laps on FM1 with short shifting at half bar the entire race, but the Mazda is the better option, I messed up twice in that run and it was still faster, plus it’s way easier to drive.

Mazda VGT
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R92CP
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Nice. Guess I'll be switching between stop and no stop. R92CP all the way! Mazda eww

This game is weird, I got the clean race bonus while missing a kink

That sure looks like off track to me...

Oh well, the game owes plenty glitches in my favor by now Besides that I should have had it the previous race, yet one disgruntled A+ driver took his frustrations out on me after he got mixed up in a crash on the straight. Half punted me twice, got 10 sec penalties, then quit. For some reason I still missed the SR up for his second punt at T1 where I ended up in the tire stack.

Ford GT next Nvm, Brazilians, going to go off-line until next race.

10pm attempt, Brazilians, back to off-line.