"Daily" Race Discussion [Archive]

[Invisigoth]

But I think a lot of us are here because this is the type of game we've always played. I never was remotely competent at fps, but was always good at and enjoyed racing games, back to the old outrun and Road blasters days.

For some of us an RPG involves sitting around a table with a group of people, a pencil, some grid paper and a box full dice of varying geometries .

Am I the only one who feels a compulsion to launch missiles at the hovering helicopters at le Sarthe?

 

[Steer]

Gonna try no stopping Le Mans in the LM55 again. Has anyone else no stopped that race at least on fuel? The LM55 can make it on tires (not sure about other cars) but I had to limp home on fuel on my first try. This time I'll try a more consistent hypermiling strategy.

Not tried it this time around, but last time this race combo was up, I used to non stop in the LM55. I used a controller with AT, so short shifting is not an option for me. I used to try and maintain position on lap 1, with full fuel, and then run the middle laps with fuel map on 3 or 4, before turning it up again on the final lap or two to counter the slight loss of grip from the tyres. When I had a clean race without mistakes or without being punted off, I would usually gain positions.

I think generally when fuel saving, you have to guess whether the cars you are racing with are going to pit or not. If yes, then letting them go past would save time and reduce the risk of an accident.

 

[Jaamess44]

Can someone help me with the force feedback and sensitivity for the t-gt

 

[6BK]

@Sven Jurgens : Regarding my recent visit to SR B (only 59 points now) you were totally correct. 4 races last night. The worst driving I experienced was actually my own fault. In 2nd or 3rd (can't recall exactly) and right on the bumper of a guy I recognise from racing other tracks (scotsprst) and I made a mess of my braking. That was exactly the complaint I'd had about other drivers the day before. There was some very "rough play" and a lot of guys pushing through gaps that were not there but nothing worse than I had experienced at SR S with 99 points. The drivers are just as fast and just as capable.

@GhostCaliber: Regarding age and GT Sport player profile I suppose car games probably appeal to an older crew? As @Sven Jurgens says my son can kick my ass on Fortnite but has no interest in any car games (unless Rocket League counts?). Just to make you feel like a total baby tough...and to send the others here down memory lane...who else here started their gaming career in the 1970's on "Pong"? Atari 2600 "Defender", "Berzerk", "Asteroids" and "Pole Position". I played a space flight sim called "Elite" on the Comodore 64 & Amiga 2000 in the 80's. Got a real interest in motor race games with "TOCA Touring Cars" on PS1. I tended to enjoy using a space ship or machine of some sort in my "blowey up games" so Mech Warrior on PC in the 90's (similar to the more recent Titan Fall on PS4) was great. Plenty of FPS games too; DOOM in the 90's, Resident Evil and later F.E.A.R. in the naughties. I played the hell out of a space combat sim called "Freelancer" (very similar to "Elite" from the 80's) from 2002/2003 for about 5 yeas including helping build mods and admin a server. But I always end up back on a track. It's much cheaper than having to keep a real race car going I suppose.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I just didn't think you old codgers would play GT Sport

I am closer to 40 than to 30....
I am 55 for a little bit longer.

@Bivittavus88

We could just start our own racing team for the facially insulated, with a 'beard' prefix/suffix...

Beard_JoeyLeonine
JoeyBeard
LionBeard

etc...

Though I may also just make a R4M_LionBeard for the hell of it now...

Well....
R4M_Bearded_Viking?

 

[Pigems]

Can someone help me with the force feedback and sensitivity for the t-gt

What type of issues are you having? What are you’re current FFB settings?

 

[Epic B]

Not tried it this time around, but last time this race combo was up, I used to non stop in the LM55. I used a controller with AT, so short shifting is not an option for me. I used to try and maintain position on lap 1, with full fuel, and then run the middle laps with fuel map on 3 or 4, before turning it up again on the final lap or two to counter the slight loss of grip from the tyres. When I had a clean race without mistakes or without being punted off, I would usually gain positions.

I think generally when fuel saving, you have to guess whether the cars you are racing with are going to pit or not. If yes, then letting them go past would save time and reduce the risk of an accident.

I shift manually with a controller. I've found with the LM55 you can make it all the way but more or less have to limp home on fuel. It's easy on the tires though and it has full time all wheel drive so the handling is foolproof. Might try the Peugeot 908. I don't think it's as easy on the tires but it's probably better on fuel.

 

[Pigems]

I am closer to 40 than to 30....
I am 55 for a little bit longer.

I’ll be 35 next month.

 

[GTNihei]

Today the racing was bittersweet, didn't go too well in Sport mode but it was enough to raise my SR to A, and I absolutely killed it in lobby racing

Race C was what I did first, and going off my rigurous testing of my whole 4 Gr.1 cars I own, I decided to stick with the LM55. I was quicker in the 908 but not consistent, the SRT was behind both of them, and the R18 '11 is not worth even looking at...

And because of this great decision, I qualified third behind 2 TS050s and another one in fourth , safe to say, I did finish fourth. The only advantage I had in the LM55 was the top end, much higher than the Toyota's and I was making up some time on the straights but losing it everywhere else.

And here's the funny part, the leader's best lap was a 3:25.7 I believe? In lap 2? Well since I was 20 seconds off third place and 40 seconds off fifth (dunno why that was the case ) I decided to relax and just run my course. I had saved enough fuel to go flat out on the last lap, like the Toyota's were doing, but I had worn tires. Guess what? I did a 3:26.2 (iirc), granted, still .6 seconds off the pace but... I was happy with that! And I still don't know how the heck I pulled that one off!



...still finished like, 20 seconds off the top three.



Race A though, was the kicker. I qualified in first, 3 tenths quicker than the australian in second (both in Sciroccos. Never tried it but I love it now!) He stuck to my tail nicely for a few laps so I figured "hey, this is a pretty good race we got here! I wonder if I'll be able to wi-" as I hear a proper, LOUD thud. 2 seconds later, I'm on the sand of the uphill hairpin corner that comes after the sweeping left hander. I get reset onto the track, wheelspinning off in fury and losing a lot of time to the australian driver who er... only got a 3 second penalty. With 1 lap to go, I got within .5 of a second to him. AND HE WON.

After the race, we "exchanged" a few words
According to him; I "braked early" at the hairpin and he "accidentally" hit me (bull freaking ****, I looked back at the replay and I braked even LATER than the cones, at the 100M marker), to which I counter argued 2 things, "so what? Your could've avoided me" (he was .5 seconds behind me due to understeering after the sweeper) and "at least give me the position back if it was on accident" to which he said literally nothing afterwards, but remained on the lobby to say "ok calm down pls". Calm down? Literally punted me off and you got the win undersevedly and I have to calm down? I then just said "ok. I hope someone else does it to you sometime, please learn to *ahem* not punt off someone who's ADMITTEDLY quicker than you. Thanks for everything, jack***." and then he said "ur being rude now"... well no **** I'm being rude. I just left at that point.

Great day today.

 

[The_Tullster]

R4M_McBeardFace

No, that's no quite right. It should be: R4M_BeardyMcBeardFace

 

[Leftcurl]

I’ll be 35 next month.

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you've just shaved your beard off with that thing right?

 

[Pigems]

No, that's no quite right. It should be: R4M_BeardyMcBeardFace

I was gonna suggest R4M_McBeardin

you've just shaved your beard off with that thing right?

Naw, I use my boot knife for that.

 

[Brouwer]

I used to hate autopolis but decided to go for a clean race streak. Qualified in 1.54.3 which isnt great but somehow ended up on the first few rows more often than not. Because a lot of opponents struggle with a standing start I ended up being in front before the first corner. However, afraid of losing the streak mostly letting people pass easily. Still won a race though which I'd never expect at autopolis and on a 8 clean streak now!

 

[Invisigoth]

I’ll be 35 next month.

<looks at picture>........<looks at nationality>......<starts singing> ....."Iiiiiii'm a lumber jack and I'm ok. I sleep all night and work all day......"

I wonder if I'll be able to wi-" as I hear a proper, LOUD thud. 2 seconds later, I'm on the sand of the uphill hairpin corner that comes after the sweeping left hander. I get reset onto the track, wheelspinning off in fury and losing a lot of time to the australian driver who er... only got a 3 second penalty. With 1 lap to go, I got within .5 of a second to him. AND HE WON.

Yeh, that's on him. If you hadn't gone off track, *you* would have been given the penalty the way the system works now. Wether he thought you braked too early or not is irrelevant. The following lifted from the GTP online racing guidelines:


"06: Running into the car ahead of you:

A:
The behind driver must take all necessary care and responsibility not to run into an ahead driver.

C:
The ahead driver must not do any malicious or inappropriate braking or slowing. Leading cars MUST NOT EVER 'brake check' the car(s) behind them because they are following too closely. The ahead driver IS entitled to be slower or use longer and earlier braking zones than others. They are also entitled to turn in earlier or later and/or apex earlier or later."

The responsibility not to hit you lies with him. But these flame wars people wage post race are pointless. They achieve nothing and only serve as a source of stress. Better to report him, and walk away from the game for a while to cool off 👍.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

"06: Running into the car ahead of you:

A:
The behind driver must take all necessary care and responsibility not to run into an ahead driver

Even to the point of deliberately running your self off if that's the only way to avoid the car ahead. I did that on RBR last week. Granted, it was my own fault, if that's the only way to avoid him I am probably too close to begin with.

 

[Invisigoth]

Even to the point of deliberately running your self off if that's the only way to avoid the car ahead. I did that on RBR last week. Granted, it was my own fault, if that's the only way to avoid him I am probably too close to begin with.

"B:
In case you brake too late for a corner or partially lose control of your car, but can prevent an accident by steering into the dirt, grass or a wall, you are expected to do so."

they have that covered . I seem to recall those ridiculous videos they make you watch before they let you race sport mode suggest that too.

 

[JoeyLeonine]

I’ll be 35 next month.

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You need to tighten that chain a bit.

 

[GTNihei]

I may make an alt account and try to race in other regions tbh. It seems like most people do it and it can be fun

About the points @Invisigoth mentioned; I completely agree with all of them and I didn't even know GTPlanet had it's own racing leagues , maybe I'll join sometime. I feel like I'm actually the only one who watched the sportsmanship videos non-sarcastically because I do everything they say (and still get crapped on from time to time ).

Not sure if I'm allowed to talk about lobby racing in the daily race discussion but I guess I will , a good example of how to easily see who's a clean racer and who isn't is turn 1 of Red Bull Ring. Oh boy that corner. That corner has yielded so many divebombs it's not even funny anymore. In those lobby races I went from 1st qualified to 7th (and causing massive carnage) due to a Ford GT Gr.3 in a fluorescent puke green trying to finish the race in turn 1 lol. Also like 4 people crashed behind me and uh yeah wasn't pretty

 

[JoeyLeonine]

a good example of how to easily see who's a clean racer and who isn't is turn 1 of Red Bull Ring. Oh boy that corner. That corner has yielded so many divebombs it's not even funny anymore.

First corners...

My opinion, again ignoring the malicious 10%, is that most people haven't spent time working out where the braking point is for T1, L1. Most people forget the obvious point that being auto-launched half way down the straight or going from a standing start and following in someone's slip stream means you will arrive at T1, L1 at a very different speed to what you normally would in QTT or the subsequent laps when you are at full speed.

 

[The_Tullster]

Yeah I guess if you were able to lower your SR by being somewhat dirty, without ruining your positon in the race too much, you could probably keep building your DR through dubious methods haha

There's no need to be dirty to lower your SR, mine's down in the 70's simply by not getting out of the way of dive bombs quick enough. I've also had a couple of drivers do the deliberate "bump me then drive off the track" to force a time penalty on me in this weeks racing, and some cases of either epic punt or total failure to pay attention to braking points which also gave me orange SR.

 

[GTNihei]

First corners...

My opinion, again ignoring the malicious 10%, is that most people haven't spent time working out where the braking point is for T1, L1. Most people forget the obvious point that being auto-launched half way down the straight or going from a standing start and following in someone's slip stream means you will arrive at T1, L1 at a very different speed to what you normally would in QTT or the subsequent laps when you are at full speed.

exactly. T1 L1 is the only corner where I consistently brake earlier than most others simply to not cause destruction in my path
Interlargos, Fuji and Nurb GP are all good ones too. So many people overshoot it at Interlagos when it's a standing start lol

 

[Invisigoth]

I didn't even know GTPlanet had it's own racing leagues , maybe I'll join sometime.

Both @Pigems and @Mistah_MCA run lobbies. @Pigems one is once a week, and runs two races of each of the dailies, as well as three bonus weird races. If you genuinely are in Japan, it starts about 10am Sunday. @Mistah_MCA 's lobby is once a month endurance... except this coming one which is kinda weird . Check out the respective threads in the Online Racing and Leagues section .

 

[RacingGrandpa]

I had a guy in a Sirocco using me as a shortcut on Autopolis yesterday. We where two cars wide going into T2 , I was in the inside so was going to be p1 After the turn (last lap) when the Sirocco in p3 Ran Into My Side with no braking, cut the corner and left me as p3 in the grass with a 3 second penalty. I ended up p7 and was rather annoyed. Even more so when he said Sorry afterwards...

 

[GTNihei]

Thank you @Invisigoth. I would love to host my own lobbies but no one ever joins

And just as a side note...
Challenge for those of you who are aliens: try and win Daily C in the R18 '11. Good luck

I had a guy in a Sirocco using me as a shortcut on Autopolis yesterday. We where two cars wide going into T2 , I was in the inside so was going to be p1 After the turn (last lap) when the Sirocco in p3 Ran Into My Side with no braking, cut the corner and left me as p3 in the grass with a 3 second penalty. I ended up p7 and was rather annoyed. Even more so when he said Sorry afterwards...

Those people who say sorry after the race are the crappers of the racing community. If they were really sorry, they would at least give back the position or... hey! They wouldn't drive dirty at all!

 

[RickyGT]

I feel you on that! I’m a B driver mostly from stubbornness and experience more than outright pace and I keep getting chucked into these rooms where half the field is DR A and S. It would be nice to have a few more races I had a chance to win, but at the same time I just noticed my SR is at an all time high (20k) by racing the best.

I try to haunt the off peak hours when the hardcores who can afford the full wheel setup are likely occupied like Friday evenings and holidays. Closing in on the pole trophy after more than a year but the win trophy still looks a long way off..

Exactly, it's the contrary for me because I don't play it very often but the situation is the same. I will never be able to fight for the top spots with this matchmaking and the difference among the people in the midfield is too high, so races aren't even that funny. About the trophy hahah the only way I thought would be to de-rank on purpose with the SR and DR in order to be matched with newbies or less skilled people but for 80 times? nah

 

[6BK]

@Invisigoth

The ahead driver must not do any malicious or inappropriate braking or slowing. Leading cars MUST NOT EVER 'brake check' the car(s) behind them because they are following too closely.

The problem on the GT with regards to this is that the behind driver does not allow for the difference between malicious or inappropriate versus defensive line. If you are ahead, making a decent pace but take a defensive line into a corner, or for example take a sweeping corner a "little" slower so as to not run off thus protecting your lead the general behaviour from the car behind is to just drive through you or push you off the track. Effectively it means that even when you have a lead you end up driving on the ragged edge, risking losing your place by losing the car, just to protect yourself from being rammed from behind.

@JoeyLeonine unfortunately I made that mistake myself last night and should have known better. A faster driver went off ahead of me and then caught back up. He was P2 on the grid and I was P6 at Autopilis at over a second behind his quali. I also recognised him from other races and knew he was fast so when he caught back up I was in 2nd, knew I was boxing above my weight and let him by. Great! Now instead of watching my mirrors I could relax behind him, draft for as long as I could hang on and make up a comfy 3rd instead of a worrisome 2nd. The mistake was that I misjudged the draft on the straight, messed up the braking and shunted him off the track. It went from good race craft and a polite move to being the twit I give out about. I suppose it can happen to us all.

@GTNihei I find RBR T1 is fast enough to avoid most problems. It's the long straight followed by the harder turn, like Nurby T1 that creates the most fun.

I also find that other drivers get very annoyed at my mistakes while they expect me to forgive theirs. We should all put ourselves in each other's shoes. 2 nights back I was shunted had on Autopilis T1 and was so angry I think I was over agressive with the driver who hit me. When I caught back up I made a move that I would not normally have done and while I didn't cause a crash it was the kind of bone head undertake that would annoy me if I was on the receiving end. When I watched the race replay later I realised that he had actually been hit by the car behind him which knocked him into me with no way of avoiding it. I felt very stupid when I found out that I had been peeved at someone and took it out on them only to be totally in the wrong. Players need to accept that while some are dirty, most are just there to have fun playing a game and if they make a mistake it is no more malicious than when I make similar mistakes.

@GTNihei a guy went off track because of something I did. I looked in my mirror but he was down nearly 5 places. Yes, I'd like to give the place back but do I drop back to behind where he is as punishment? OK if he is behind me but do you let 4 other cars through? I apologiesed after and would gladly give him a place if I see him in another race but an apology is nice I think.

 

[El_Beardo]

No, that's no quite right. It should be: R4M_BeardyMcBeardFace

There's a guy in EMEA named GameyMcGamertag.

First time I saw him fly past me on track, I laughed enough to completely miss my braking point, and slam into a wall at almost 200kph

a guy went off track because of something I did. I looked in my mirror but he was down nearly 5 places. Yes, I'd like to give the place back but do I drop back to behind where he is as punishment? OK if he is behind me but do you let 4 other cars through? I apologiesed after and would gladly give him a place if I see him in another race but an apology is nice I think.

I had something similar happen at Catalunya, a few weeks back. I got punted, and my car took someone out. No way in hell I'm dropping five places to return the position. However, they were as fast as me, and made their way back through the field pretty quickly. They were about 0.750 behind coming out of the final chicane, so I coasted. And apologised.

Then they blamed someone completely innocent for it, anyway.

 

[The_Tullster]

Do players really drive like this ALLL the time?

The first one is what I see about 2 out of 5 races, though some tracks are worse than others. Saw a couple of names I recognise too, one of them I wanted to yell out and warn you (started P3 in second race) as you slowly caught him up.

Edit: Some super consistent driving on your part, well done.

 

[GTNihei]

@Invisigoth

The problem on the GT with regards to this is that the behind driver does not allow for the difference between malicious or inappropriate versus defensive line. If you are ahead, making a decent pace but take a defensive line into a corner, or for example take a sweeping corner a "little" slower so as to not run off thus protecting your lead the general behaviour from the car behind is to just drive through you or push you off the track. Effectively it means that even when you have a lead you end up driving on the ragged edge, risking losing your place by losing the car, just to protect yourself from being rammed from behind.

@JoeyLeonine unfortunately I made that mistake myself last night and should have known better. A faster driver went off ahead of me and then caught back up. He was P2 on the grid and I was P6 at Autopilis at over a second behind his quali. I also recognised him from other races and knew he was fast so when he caught back up I was in 2nd, knew I was boxing above my weight and let him by. Great! Now instead of watching my mirrors I could relax behind him, draft for as long as I could hang on and make up a comfy 3rd instead of a worrisome 2nd. The mistake was that I misjudged the draft on the straight, messed up the braking and shunted him off the track. It went from good race craft and a polite move to being the twit I give out about. I suppose it can happen to us all.

@GTNihei I find RBR T1 is fast enough to avoid most problems. It's the long straight followed by the harder turn, like Nurby T1 that creates the most fun.

I also find that other drivers get very annoyed at my mistakes while they expect me to forgive theirs. We should all put ourselves in each other's shoes. 2 nights back I was shunted had on Autopilis T1 and was so angry I think I was over agressive with the driver who hit me. When I caught back up I made a move that I would not normally have done and while I didn't cause a crash it was the kind of bone head undertake that would annoy me if I was on the receiving end. When I watched the race replay later I realised that he had actually been hit by the car behind him which knocked him into me with no way of avoiding it. I felt very stupid when I found out that I had been peeved at someone and took it out on them only to be totally in the wrong. Players need to accept that while some are dirty, most are just there to have fun playing a game and if they make a mistake it is no more malicious than when I make similar mistakes.

@GTNihei a guy went off track because of something I did. I looked in my mirror but he was down nearly 5 places. Yes, I'd like to give the place back but do I drop back to behind where he is as punishment? OK if he is behind me but do you let 4 other cars through? I apologiesed after and would gladly give him a place if I see him in another race but an apology is nice I think.

Hey, I totally agree with what you said directed to me. If there was 3 of us fighting for 1st place, then I would've considered; "hey, maybe he was punted into me by the driver in 3rd" and would just watch the replay later to confirm it. Thing is, it was just me and him and 3rd had a 4.2 second gap to us. I would, as I said before, expect him to avoid me or at the very least give back the position seeing as how he still won the race even with the 3 second penalty! I really wish the 10 second penalty was a thing again.

And another thing I've established before, when quoting @RacingGrandpa 's message is that the people who harm your race, don't give back the position, go on to win or place above you and only say sorry after the race are still not exactly very sportsmanlike (at least in my book) and if you have to drop more positions to let the other driver by, so be it. You caused it, you deal with it, even if it was accidental. I guess it's a morale thing.

 

[RacingGrandpa]

It's the equivalent of saying "no offense but..". Like tripping a guy in a 100 meter sprint in the Olympic and then saying "sorry" and shrugging as if the word sorry washed away the blaim.